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Majin Buu	Posted - 2004.09.03 14:17:00 - [1] Why dont people pay a pirates "pay or die" demand when they are scrambled in a belt with nothing but mining equipment fitted? I've caught 5-6 BS's and countless cruisers mining in belts and not one has paid my demands, which is 15mill isk for a lvl 2 BS, 10mill for lvl 1 BS and 5 mill for cruiser.. Dont they realise that losing there ship with all the fitted equipment will cost alot more than just paying me my demand?, or is it because theres pirates out there that will take there isk and still blow them up just for the fun of it? which is bad for ccp's player base and bad for honest pirates like me BoB KillBoard
Majin Buu	Posted - 2004.09.03 14:17:00 - [2] Why dont people pay a pirates "pay or die" demand when they are scrambled in a belt with nothing but mining equipment fitted? I've caught 5-6 BS's and countless cruisers mining in belts and not one has paid my demands, which is 15mill isk for a lvl 2 BS, 10mill for lvl 1 BS and 5 mill for cruiser.. Dont they realise that losing there ship with all the fitted equipment will cost alot more than just paying me my demand?, or is it because theres pirates out there that will take there isk and still blow them up just for the fun of it? which is bad for ccp's player base and bad for honest pirates like me BoB KillBoard
Antonius	Posted - 2004.09.03 14:20:00 - [3] I wouldn't do it because I wouldn't wanna sponor a pirate, rather take the loss. Off course smart miners in dangerous place have their boat insured so the loss isn't THAT great, especially because mining boats rarely have rare modules that make the ship even more expensive to replace unlike combat boats.
Antonius	Posted - 2004.09.03 14:20:00 - [4] I wouldn't do it because I wouldn't wanna sponor a pirate, rather take the loss. Off course smart miners in dangerous place have their boat insured so the loss isn't THAT great, especially because mining boats rarely have rare modules that make the ship even more expensive to replace unlike combat boats.
Talon SilverHawk	Posted - 2004.09.03 14:33:00 - [5] Because they would rather not pay you simple. It's not about money its about pride... Tal What goes around comes around...
Talon SilverHawk	Posted - 2004.09.03 14:33:00 - [6] Because they would rather not pay you simple. It's not about money its about pride... Tal What goes around comes around...
Miso	Posted - 2004.09.03 14:35:00 - [7] Just shoot them and nick their loot and ore. Ransoming is only really viable if you pod scramble someone you know or suspect to have lots of expensive implants. Otherwise... POP! -------------------------------------------- Dead
Miso	Posted - 2004.09.03 14:35:00 - [8] Just shoot them and nick their loot and ore. Ransoming is only really viable if you pod scramble someone you know or suspect to have lots of expensive implants. Otherwise... POP! -------------------------------------------- Dead
Barth3zzzNL	Posted - 2004.09.03 14:49:00 - [9] Trying to find people who just got their bs and havent even insured it. They usually pay --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Barth3zzzNL	Posted - 2004.09.03 14:49:00 - [10] Trying to find people who just got their bs and havent even insured it. They usually pay --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
J'Maybe Keens	Posted - 2004.09.03 14:57:00 - [11] Most miners in very low sec space know the risks and have factored it into their calculations. They are insured and they are mining enough to make demands pointless. They are very unlikely to lose 15mill isk with the ship going down. Also they are aware once you start paying, you keep paying. Others are simply ideologically opposed to pirating and the way they can show their defiance given they have no weaponry to fight back is to effectively say "do your worst, its not good enough to bother me". So it is not them that fails to realise the economics of this, I am afraid it is you. ******** AUTHOR of the COMPLETE mineral and ore Price guide, updated weekly, see Eve Guardian for details
J'Maybe Keens	Posted - 2004.09.03 14:57:00 - [12] Most miners in very low sec space know the risks and have factored it into their calculations. They are insured and they are mining enough to make demands pointless. They are very unlikely to lose 15mill isk with the ship going down. Also they are aware once you start paying, you keep paying. Others are simply ideologically opposed to pirating and the way they can show their defiance given they have no weaponry to fight back is to effectively say "do your worst, its not good enough to bother me". So it is not them that fails to realise the economics of this, I am afraid it is you. ******** AUTHOR of the COMPLETE mineral and ore Price guide, updated weekly, see Eve Guardian for details
Roshan longshot	Posted - 2004.09.03 15:05:00 - [13] Pirates are lazy...I dont support lazy people....I dont support pirates, scammers, ore thiefs. You demand ransome from me your going to see one thing through my****pit window. my bared arse pressed against the window. Of course probably be the last thing you see also... Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter,pirate[/i*] or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box and from this site.
Roshan longshot	Posted - 2004.09.03 15:05:00 - [14] Pirates are lazy...I dont support lazy people....I dont support pirates, scammers, ore thiefs. You demand ransome from me your going to see one thing through my****pit window. my bared arse pressed against the window. Of course probably be the last thing you see also... Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter,pirate[/i*] or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box and from this site.
markol	Posted - 2004.09.03 15:17:00 - [15] I am not sure about this one either. I have aproximately 30 kill mails from the last few weeks of pirating. Each and every kill is acompanied by a pod kill mail. There is nothing that will take a pod out faster than a Large SB. I have managed to pull a ransom out of 1 rax and 1 mega. So far total ransom received was 23.5 mil. There was also a raven that I was ransoming, but he did nto have enough money. I was into his structure and then power went out. He lieved and paid me 1.5 mil for having not killed him. In the end, it's very hard to make a living pirating. My 23.5 mils in ransom are now counteracted with a lost mega that was fully equipped and insured. (45mil). This is not profitable, but way more fun compared to mining non-the less. My sec keeps dropping and my corpse collection keeps growing.
markol	Posted - 2004.09.03 15:17:00 - [16] I am not sure about this one either. I have aproximately 30 kill mails from the last few weeks of pirating. Each and every kill is acompanied by a pod kill mail. There is nothing that will take a pod out faster than a Large SB. I have managed to pull a ransom out of 1 rax and 1 mega. So far total ransom received was 23.5 mil. There was also a raven that I was ransoming, but he did nto have enough money. I was into his structure and then power went out. He lieved and paid me 1.5 mil for having not killed him. In the end, it's very hard to make a living pirating. My 23.5 mils in ransom are now counteracted with a lost mega that was fully equipped and insured. (45mil). This is not profitable, but way more fun compared to mining non-the less. My sec keeps dropping and my corpse collection keeps growing.
Koda	Posted - 2004.09.03 15:39:00 - [17] Edited by: Koda on 03/09/2004 15:42:07 I think there is a mind-set at work that refuses to accept piracy on a basic level. In this mind-set, paying ransom is akin to feeding cancer. Considerations for personal safety and well-being get cast aside in lieu of this absolute rejection of the pirate. While noble, it's not economically sound. While some pirates make outrageous ransom demands, most are reasonable and calculated to save the victim money over having to insure a new ship. However, this logic falls by the wayside in the face of the highly emotional reaction players often have when confronted with ransom demands. "@#$@#%^ YOU BUDDY!!! I'D RATHER DIE THAN PAY A PENNY!!!!" or something similar. Just my .02 isk. -------------- Share the love in the SNIGG Forums
Koda	Posted - 2004.09.03 15:39:00 - [18] Edited by: Koda on 03/09/2004 15:42:07 I think there is a mind-set at work that refuses to accept piracy on a basic level. In this mind-set, paying ransom is akin to feeding cancer. Considerations for personal safety and well-being get cast aside in lieu of this absolute rejection of the pirate. While noble, it's not economically sound. While some pirates make outrageous ransom demands, most are reasonable and calculated to save the victim money over having to insure a new ship. However, this logic falls by the wayside in the face of the highly emotional reaction players often have when confronted with ransom demands. "@#$@#%^ YOU BUDDY!!! I'D RATHER DIE THAN PAY A PENNY!!!!" or something similar. Just my .02 isk. -------------- Share the love in the SNIGG Forums
Majin Buu	Posted - 2004.09.03 15:43:00 - [19] Originally by: Koda Edited by: Koda on 03/09/2004 15:42:07 However, this logic falls by the wayside in the face of the highly emotional reaction players often have when confronted with ransom demands. "@#$@#%^ YOU BUDDY!!! I'D RATHER DIE THAN PAY A PENNY!!!!" or something similar. Just my .02 isk. That has got 95% of my victims killed, the other 5% payed up or said they didnt have it, which also got them blown up. Managed to get loads of good named co-pros and NPC pirate named loot :) BoB KillBoard
Majin Buu	Posted - 2004.09.03 15:43:00 - [20] Originally by: Koda Edited by: Koda on 03/09/2004 15:42:07 However, this logic falls by the wayside in the face of the highly emotional reaction players often have when confronted with ransom demands. "@#$@#%^ YOU BUDDY!!! I'D RATHER DIE THAN PAY A PENNY!!!!" or something similar. Just my .02 isk. That has got 95% of my victims killed, the other 5% payed up or said they didnt have it, which also got them blown up. Managed to get loads of good named co-pros and NPC pirate named loot :) BoB KillBoard
Koda	Posted - 2004.09.03 16:28:00 - [21] Trash talk = death is a time-honored tradition. -------------- Share the love in the SNIGG Forums
Koda	Posted - 2004.09.03 16:28:00 - [22] Trash talk = death is a time-honored tradition. -------------- Share the love in the SNIGG Forums
Kilostream	Posted - 2004.09.03 17:19:00 - [23] I expect the other thing is they probably don't believe you...... If there was some contractually enforcible way of securing safe passage once the demand was met, more may do it - but look at it from the victim's viewpoint, as things stand, they could send you the 15 mill or whatever - what's then to stop you from blowing their ship up and looting the cargo anyway?? One of the side-effects of being in the pirate trade, is people tend not to trust you!! Kilo^_^
Kilostream	Posted - 2004.09.03 17:19:00 - [24] I expect the other thing is they probably don't believe you...... If there was some contractually enforcible way of securing safe passage once the demand was met, more may do it - but look at it from the victim's viewpoint, as things stand, they could send you the 15 mill or whatever - what's then to stop you from blowing their ship up and looting the cargo anyway?? One of the side-effects of being in the pirate trade, is people tend not to trust you!! Kilo^_^
Wyckoff	Posted - 2004.09.03 17:22:00 - [25] This post looks like a thinly disguised attempt at trying to convince your would-be victims to be willing participants of their own victimization, not for their own benefit, as you argue, but for your own financial reward. Good luck with that. ______________ "I Type with my Tongue"
Wyckoff	Posted - 2004.09.03 17:22:00 - [26] This post looks like a thinly disguised attempt at trying to convince your would-be victims to be willing participants of their own victimization, not for their own benefit, as you argue, but for your own financial reward. Good luck with that. ______________ "I Type with my Tongue"
Zarquon Beeblebrox	Posted - 2004.09.03 18:04:00 - [27] Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 03/09/2004 18:05:48 I would say that about 4 of 10 bs I toll pays up. -- Lady Beeblebrox Teddybears movies
Zarquon Beeblebrox	Posted - 2004.09.03 18:04:00 - [28] Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 03/09/2004 18:05:48 I would say that about 4 of 10 bs I toll pays up. -- Lady Beeblebrox Teddybears movies
Neon Genesis	Posted - 2004.09.03 18:05:00 - [29] Edited by: Neon Genesis on 03/09/2004 18:08:18 Ironically buu most pirates ask 4 far more than u, double in fact. ive recieved loads of ransom since i started pirating about 4 months ago. It's still fun to just kill them and not bother with bounty as well __ There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
Neon Genesis	Posted - 2004.09.03 18:05:00 - [30] Edited by: Neon Genesis on 03/09/2004 18:08:18 Ironically buu most pirates ask 4 far more than u, double in fact. ive recieved loads of ransom since i started pirating about 4 months ago. It's still fun to just kill them and not bother with bounty as well __ There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
Agmemnon	Posted - 2004.09.03 18:15:00 - [31] I'll give ya the scoop from one who's been on the receiving end of this issue more times than I'd like to count. Issue 1, "Pay or Die" - First thing I think is "What a 'tard". You already webbed and scrambled me...it ain't like I'm going anywhere if I'm just mining. Pull a hardy "Yarr matey...isk will make me go away" or "You are trespassing in my zone, you can pay me or I'll open fire." Let's go back to the original phrase used, "Pay or Die". Hmmm, why the heck am I mining...oh that's right...I'm probably BROKE! Pay or Die...response "Bite me", cuz I do got a little pride to deal with...everyone usually does. Issue 2, What Price? - This should be easy, everyone's out for the fast buck it seems so pricing is outta bounds from what I've witnessed. I was out running around in an IBIS in 0.2 the other day, just hitting the jaspet and bringing it back to station. Some warps in pulls the Pay 5mil or die, my reaction "Ba-LOW me". I died, pod death 34 for me...but so what. The reason for my reaction. The guys in a Rupture, webbed and scrambled me, didn't bother with a ship scan...I'm outgunned, outskilled and outta isk. Did this clown really think I was gonna pay? If he did, he's a moron...If he didn't, he should have never bothered to ask. I got 24,969 in the ole account...when I had an Osprey, they used to ask for 5 million. Same response would be garnered. Let's see...blow up my 3mil Cruiser with 300K worth of modules, get podded and have to pay the 280K clone fee, mine 2 days in my Ibis and buy another....or pay this dude 5mil. That took me about .003 seconds to respond. Consider this. You perform an act of to gain something, isk, named parts, etc... Miners are usually not fitted with a whole lot of named parts (pretty rare) so isk is the only other object you're after (whether in ore/minerals or isk itself). You want the miner to pay, but they might not have 10 or 20 mil...so you enter negotiations. PIRATE: Hey, you're in an area that I patrol and are considered trespassing. Start the smack-talk and I will immediately begin firing on your ship. You can either pay me 10 mil or I'll open fire on your Cruiser. MINER: Possible responses... a) P%$$ off - Begin firing...you warned them. b) I ain't got that much - Request a counter offer, let them know that if the offer is ridiculously low (You ask 10 mil, they offer 1 to 10K isk) you'll open fire. c) Ok...I'll pay, just need a few seconds to complete the transaction. - DONT make the dude pay someone not in local. There is sometimes a delay in the transaction, which leads to the "pirates suck" frame of mind where they paid and got podded. It's a reason I never pay anymore. Consider a price point. Frigates mining - 100k, Cruisers mining - 1 mil, BS mining - 5 to 10 mil. If ya have 30 people in a day that you pull the "pay or die" thing on, request an amount worth the insurance cost on the ship, you might get one or two bites. If ya scale pricing to a reasonable cost, you'd more than likely double or triple the number of people willing to pay and have a steady source of income...best case, you get paid, worst case, throw the idea out and try again. *This response is an opinion on the topic in question. It is not intended to ellicit an inflamatory response*
Agmemnon	Posted - 2004.09.03 18:15:00 - [32] I'll give ya the scoop from one who's been on the receiving end of this issue more times than I'd like to count. Issue 1, "Pay or Die" - First thing I think is "What a 'tard". You already webbed and scrambled me...it ain't like I'm going anywhere if I'm just mining. Pull a hardy "Yarr matey...isk will make me go away" or "You are trespassing in my zone, you can pay me or I'll open fire." Let's go back to the original phrase used, "Pay or Die". Hmmm, why the heck am I mining...oh that's right...I'm probably BROKE! Pay or Die...response "Bite me", cuz I do got a little pride to deal with...everyone usually does. Issue 2, What Price? - This should be easy, everyone's out for the fast buck it seems so pricing is outta bounds from what I've witnessed. I was out running around in an IBIS in 0.2 the other day, just hitting the jaspet and bringing it back to station. Some warps in pulls the Pay 5mil or die, my reaction "Ba-LOW me". I died, pod death 34 for me...but so what. The reason for my reaction. The guys in a Rupture, webbed and scrambled me, didn't bother with a ship scan...I'm outgunned, outskilled and outta isk. Did this clown really think I was gonna pay? If he did, he's a moron...If he didn't, he should have never bothered to ask. I got 24,969 in the ole account...when I had an Osprey, they used to ask for 5 million. Same response would be garnered. Let's see...blow up my 3mil Cruiser with 300K worth of modules, get podded and have to pay the 280K clone fee, mine 2 days in my Ibis and buy another....or pay this dude 5mil. That took me about .003 seconds to respond. Consider this. You perform an act of to gain something, isk, named parts, etc... Miners are usually not fitted with a whole lot of named parts (pretty rare) so isk is the only other object you're after (whether in ore/minerals or isk itself). You want the miner to pay, but they might not have 10 or 20 mil...so you enter negotiations. PIRATE: Hey, you're in an area that I patrol and are considered trespassing. Start the smack-talk and I will immediately begin firing on your ship. You can either pay me 10 mil or I'll open fire on your Cruiser. MINER: Possible responses... a) P%$$ off - Begin firing...you warned them. b) I ain't got that much - Request a counter offer, let them know that if the offer is ridiculously low (You ask 10 mil, they offer 1 to 10K isk) you'll open fire. c) Ok...I'll pay, just need a few seconds to complete the transaction. - DONT make the dude pay someone not in local. There is sometimes a delay in the transaction, which leads to the "pirates suck" frame of mind where they paid and got podded. It's a reason I never pay anymore. Consider a price point. Frigates mining - 100k, Cruisers mining - 1 mil, BS mining - 5 to 10 mil. If ya have 30 people in a day that you pull the "pay or die" thing on, request an amount worth the insurance cost on the ship, you might get one or two bites. If ya scale pricing to a reasonable cost, you'd more than likely double or triple the number of people willing to pay and have a steady source of income...best case, you get paid, worst case, throw the idea out and try again. *This response is an opinion on the topic in question. It is not intended to ellicit an inflamatory response*
Covex	Posted - 2004.09.03 18:17:00 - [33] To me when a person pays for passage it shows that they have respect for the game and the time that it takes for them to gather all there equipment and ect. When I ask for a ransom I feel that I am doing the passerby a favor, instead of ruthlessly ganking there stuff, they pay me and I let them go threw, they keep there stuff and I get paid. Those who say dont pay the ebil pirates, they have little respect for there ships/clones/implants and the time it takes to aquire them. If you respect yourself and the game then you will pay.
Covex	Posted - 2004.09.03 18:17:00 - [34] To me when a person pays for passage it shows that they have respect for the game and the time that it takes for them to gather all there equipment and ect. When I ask for a ransom I feel that I am doing the passerby a favor, instead of ruthlessly ganking there stuff, they pay me and I let them go threw, they keep there stuff and I get paid. Those who say dont pay the ebil pirates, they have little respect for there ships/clones/implants and the time it takes to aquire them. If you respect yourself and the game then you will pay.
PaulLRyan	Posted - 2004.09.03 18:54:00 - [35] I'm not sure it's as easy as that. People play to the standards they feel happy with. Personally I'll never pay a ransom as I'd prefer to spend the time building up my isk and ships again than hand over the cash. To me the fact that I've been cought is bad, I can't add insult to my injury by paying the guy who was good enough to get me. It may not make sense but it's the way I feel. I also will never log to save a ship or pod but I know there are people who see this as a viable game tactic and see nothing at all wrong with it. I can't make them see my point of view and they will never make me see thiers. I think you can enter all the negotiations you like, people will or will not pay depending on thier personal characteristics. There mind is made up a long long time before you even see them in local. PL
PaulLRyan	Posted - 2004.09.03 18:54:00 - [36] I'm not sure it's as easy as that. People play to the standards they feel happy with. Personally I'll never pay a ransom as I'd prefer to spend the time building up my isk and ships again than hand over the cash. To me the fact that I've been cought is bad, I can't add insult to my injury by paying the guy who was good enough to get me. It may not make sense but it's the way I feel. I also will never log to save a ship or pod but I know there are people who see this as a viable game tactic and see nothing at all wrong with it. I can't make them see my point of view and they will never make me see thiers. I think you can enter all the negotiations you like, people will or will not pay depending on thier personal characteristics. There mind is made up a long long time before you even see them in local. PL
Kragg Malak	Posted - 2004.09.03 19:04:00 - [37] Originally by: Majin Buu .. bad for honest pirates like me .. i get the point, but that still always makes me
Kragg Malak	Posted - 2004.09.03 19:04:00 - [38] Originally by: Majin Buu .. bad for honest pirates like me .. i get the point, but that still always makes me
Sleazy Cabbie	Posted - 2004.09.03 19:48:00 - [39] Rewarding pirates only generates more pirates. If everybody just paid the ransom, everybody and their grandmother would want to be in the piracy business, there'd be a pirate every 10 feet asking for money. The best policy, and the one most conducive with good business sense, is a holistic approach : No negotation with pirates, ever. Yes, I may lose more in the short term, but by starving the problem and nipping it in the bud, keeps it small and manageable, so that instead of having a pirate at every jump, there's only a pirate every 10 jumps. In a way pirates are like those beggars you see in the street. If I put a dollar in the palm of every outstretched hand, where would it get me? Pretty soon I would be mobbed by beggars. The correct answer is always "No." Even from day 1, any newbie can make 100k an hour mining Veld in a rookieship, but no, they get on the newbie help channel "hey does anybody have 40k?" Thats what pirates are, just another public nuisance, a set of parasites like beggars. Paying them doesn't show respect for your time, it shows DISrespect for your time, because when you pay this guy 5 mil, he's just going to bring his cousin into the business, and next time you'll be paying 2 guys 5 mil each, and so forth. Its the same as terrorism. If you give them what they want, they just do it more. Remember the Abu Sayaf down in the Phillipines? They would kidnap people and ask for ransom, then when they got paid, they would just kidnap someone else, using the ransom money to buy better gear. Don't fall into the stupidity of giving these knuckleheads anything. Every penny you give them is money invested in putting yourself out of business. Instead take that 5 mil, buy yourself a ship for combat, and go pirate hunting recreationally on weekends. You might still lose the 5 mil, but it'll feel a whole lot better than giving it to someone who didn't work for it. Sleazy out
Sleazy Cabbie	Posted - 2004.09.03 19:48:00 - [40] Rewarding pirates only generates more pirates. If everybody just paid the ransom, everybody and their grandmother would want to be in the piracy business, there'd be a pirate every 10 feet asking for money. The best policy, and the one most conducive with good business sense, is a holistic approach : No negotation with pirates, ever. Yes, I may lose more in the short term, but by starving the problem and nipping it in the bud, keeps it small and manageable, so that instead of having a pirate at every jump, there's only a pirate every 10 jumps. In a way pirates are like those beggars you see in the street. If I put a dollar in the palm of every outstretched hand, where would it get me? Pretty soon I would be mobbed by beggars. The correct answer is always "No." Even from day 1, any newbie can make 100k an hour mining Veld in a rookieship, but no, they get on the newbie help channel "hey does anybody have 40k?" Thats what pirates are, just another public nuisance, a set of parasites like beggars. Paying them doesn't show respect for your time, it shows DISrespect for your time, because when you pay this guy 5 mil, he's just going to bring his cousin into the business, and next time you'll be paying 2 guys 5 mil each, and so forth. Its the same as terrorism. If you give them what they want, they just do it more. Remember the Abu Sayaf down in the Phillipines? They would kidnap people and ask for ransom, then when they got paid, they would just kidnap someone else, using the ransom money to buy better gear. Don't fall into the stupidity of giving these knuckleheads anything. Every penny you give them is money invested in putting yourself out of business. Instead take that 5 mil, buy yourself a ship for combat, and go pirate hunting recreationally on weekends. You might still lose the 5 mil, but it'll feel a whole lot better than giving it to someone who didn't work for it. Sleazy out
Crowley	Posted - 2004.09.03 19:55:00 - [41] I pirate because its fun and no im not lazy it's alot harder than staring at a roid all day. If ppl pay its a bonus, but it'd be daft to say you can make money effectivly pirating. YAARR jim lad
Crowley	Posted - 2004.09.03 19:55:00 - [42] I pirate because its fun and no im not lazy it's alot harder than staring at a roid all day. If ppl pay its a bonus, but it'd be daft to say you can make money effectivly pirating. YAARR jim lad
Kragg Malak	Posted - 2004.09.03 20:06:00 - [43] Edited by: Kragg Malak on 03/09/2004 20:07:39 Originally by: Sleazy Cabbie In a way pirates are like those beggars you see in the street. yes but it's like the beggars have very large knives or, in this case, very large guns on very large ships
Kragg Malak	Posted - 2004.09.03 20:06:00 - [44] Edited by: Kragg Malak on 03/09/2004 20:07:39 Originally by: Sleazy Cabbie In a way pirates are like those beggars you see in the street. yes but it's like the beggars have very large knives or, in this case, very large guns on very large ships
markol	Posted - 2004.09.03 20:59:00 - [45] People think that it's easy to be a pirate. Please realize that it's anything but. I would like to know how many does a pirate catch on a trip through the low sec empire looking for miners to gank. In a full evening of ganking, I am lucky if I actually kill/ransom 5 people. Most flee the moment they see you enter local. Those that stay behind are in some roid field that you cannot find for 20 minutes while you are scanning the ludicrous amount of belts in system. And then when you finally find that some one, they turn out to be driving a frig. So you try to ransom a pod by blowing your SB. They refuse and all you are left with is a corpse. In the end, you got no isk. The only thing you have is something smelly rotting in your hangar and that warm fuzzy feeling you get from hate mail that says "you are now on the kick your ass in a new ibis list". Whatever list this is, I have never heard about it again, but at least it was fun to read. The lesson here, is that pirating takes a long time. The travel avoiding 0.5 sec systems takes even longer. Mining is much easier than pirating, believe me, I have done both. Then again, I am a n00b pirate.
markol	Posted - 2004.09.03 20:59:00 - [46] People think that it's easy to be a pirate. Please realize that it's anything but. I would like to know how many does a pirate catch on a trip through the low sec empire looking for miners to gank. In a full evening of ganking, I am lucky if I actually kill/ransom 5 people. Most flee the moment they see you enter local. Those that stay behind are in some roid field that you cannot find for 20 minutes while you are scanning the ludicrous amount of belts in system. And then when you finally find that some one, they turn out to be driving a frig. So you try to ransom a pod by blowing your SB. They refuse and all you are left with is a corpse. In the end, you got no isk. The only thing you have is something smelly rotting in your hangar and that warm fuzzy feeling you get from hate mail that says "you are now on the kick your ass in a new ibis list". Whatever list this is, I have never heard about it again, but at least it was fun to read. The lesson here, is that pirating takes a long time. The travel avoiding 0.5 sec systems takes even longer. Mining is much easier than pirating, believe me, I have done both. Then again, I am a n00b pirate.
Ripp Tyde	Posted - 2004.09.03 22:09:00 - [47] Originally by: markol People think that it's easy to be a pirate. Please realize that it's anything but. I would like to know how many does a pirate catch on a trip through the low sec empire looking for miners to gank. In a full evening of ganking, I am lucky if I actually kill/ransom 5 people. Most flee the moment they see you enter local. Those that stay behind are in some roid field that you cannot find for 20 minutes while you are scanning the ludicrous amount of belts in system. And then when you finally find that some one, they turn out to be driving a frig. So you try to ransom a pod by blowing your SB. They refuse and all you are left with is a corpse. In the end, you got no isk. The only thing you have is something smelly rotting in your hangar and that warm fuzzy feeling you get from hate mail that says "you are now on the kick your ass in a new ibis list". Whatever list this is, I have never heard about it again, but at least it was fun to read. The lesson here, is that pirating takes a long time. The travel avoiding 0.5 sec systems takes even longer. Mining is much easier than pirating, believe me, I have done both. Then again, I am a n00b pirate. markol, come to the lonetrek/ pure blind area. ill make sure u have plenty of roid fields filled with miners. OHHHHHHH yea i always pay when im ransomed. wait.. ive never been ransomed Ripp Tyde F.R.E.E.E. DingleBerry Bear
Ripp Tyde	Posted - 2004.09.03 22:09:00 - [48] Originally by: markol People think that it's easy to be a pirate. Please realize that it's anything but. I would like to know how many does a pirate catch on a trip through the low sec empire looking for miners to gank. In a full evening of ganking, I am lucky if I actually kill/ransom 5 people. Most flee the moment they see you enter local. Those that stay behind are in some roid field that you cannot find for 20 minutes while you are scanning the ludicrous amount of belts in system. And then when you finally find that some one, they turn out to be driving a frig. So you try to ransom a pod by blowing your SB. They refuse and all you are left with is a corpse. In the end, you got no isk. The only thing you have is something smelly rotting in your hangar and that warm fuzzy feeling you get from hate mail that says "you are now on the kick your ass in a new ibis list". Whatever list this is, I have never heard about it again, but at least it was fun to read. The lesson here, is that pirating takes a long time. The travel avoiding 0.5 sec systems takes even longer. Mining is much easier than pirating, believe me, I have done both. Then again, I am a n00b pirate. markol, come to the lonetrek/ pure blind area. ill make sure u have plenty of roid fields filled with miners. OHHHHHHH yea i always pay when im ransomed. wait.. ive never been ransomed Ripp Tyde F.R.E.E.E. DingleBerry Bear
Boonaki	Posted - 2004.09.03 22:24:00 - [49] Why is it no one ever tries to ransom us? I feel so left out. :( Fear the Ibis of doom.
Boonaki	Posted - 2004.09.03 22:24:00 - [50] Why is it no one ever tries to ransom us? I feel so left out. :( Fear the Ibis of doom.
kasomimoto	Posted - 2004.09.03 22:28:00 - [51] Copy that Ripp, come to PB Markol and see what it's like! Quit trying to make a name for yourself in the forums and start with some action, or are you gonna keep blowing people's cans for the rest of your life?
kasomimoto	Posted - 2004.09.03 22:28:00 - [52] Copy that Ripp, come to PB Markol and see what it's like! Quit trying to make a name for yourself in the forums and start with some action, or are you gonna keep blowing people's cans for the rest of your life?
ActiveX	Posted - 2004.09.03 22:51:00 - [53] Well, I don't demand ransoms, because I'm not a pirate...I just want corpses. And PvP is a pain in empire...at least in a cruiser. ____________ Sex / Rank 9 / SP: 1280 of 2304000
ActiveX	Posted - 2004.09.03 22:51:00 - [54] Well, I don't demand ransoms, because I'm not a pirate...I just want corpses. And PvP is a pain in empire...at least in a cruiser. ____________ Sex / Rank 9 / SP: 1280 of 2304000
zeroh	Posted - 2004.09.03 23:46:00 - [55] why ransome its so much more fun to just kill and collect corpses heres a story SO im hunting in low sec empire im working the scanner and find a target woot apoc/thorax moa show up in a belt time to piratee i warp to the belt scramble the apoc and blast the moa. thorax runs off apoc was the gaurd for the op it seems but i take him to hull fast and easy Np i thought so im there ransoming the apoc 15 mil i say or die he stalls. Im guessin hes probably asking corpmates for money or sumthin so i sit and watch tv while shooting missles once in awhile to keep him in hull 1 min pass and im bored and it feels fishy i hit the scanner a tempest shows up with the same tag with 2 cruisers caracal and that thorax that got away. Guess that apoc bastard been setting me up no worries hes only has like 20% hull elft anyway. I hit a full volley apoc pops tempest and the cruiser exit warp as expected they all open fire i pop the thorax first then hit theo ther cruiser they both die woot look at my sihleds good old booster still at 80% (8 well time to whack that tempest launch drones focus fire a min later tempest pops time to loot (8 the apoc that i was ransoming had a set of 8X harvys by the way so that was more then 15mil + L guns (8 lesson Pay the toll =p sorry for bad grammar in a hurry http://www.botoxbandits.net/evekill/index.php
zeroh	Posted - 2004.09.03 23:46:00 - [56] why ransome its so much more fun to just kill and collect corpses heres a story SO im hunting in low sec empire im working the scanner and find a target woot apoc/thorax moa show up in a belt time to piratee i warp to the belt scramble the apoc and blast the moa. thorax runs off apoc was the gaurd for the op it seems but i take him to hull fast and easy Np i thought so im there ransoming the apoc 15 mil i say or die he stalls. Im guessin hes probably asking corpmates for money or sumthin so i sit and watch tv while shooting missles once in awhile to keep him in hull 1 min pass and im bored and it feels fishy i hit the scanner a tempest shows up with the same tag with 2 cruisers caracal and that thorax that got away. Guess that apoc bastard been setting me up no worries hes only has like 20% hull elft anyway. I hit a full volley apoc pops tempest and the cruiser exit warp as expected they all open fire i pop the thorax first then hit theo ther cruiser they both die woot look at my sihleds good old booster still at 80% (8 well time to whack that tempest launch drones focus fire a min later tempest pops time to loot (8 the apoc that i was ransoming had a set of 8X harvys by the way so that was more then 15mil + L guns (8 lesson Pay the toll =p sorry for bad grammar in a hurry http://www.botoxbandits.net/evekill/index.php
Mrmuttley	Posted - 2004.09.04 02:24:00 - [57] Pay A ransom? No way! Even if I had implants. (which i dont) because you cant encourage them. The other big problem pirates have is dishonourable pirates. Pay some Isk to save your ship/pod and get blown up anyway. Anytime I take a ship out of empire its insured and my clone is always up to date. Go ahead pod me Isks can always be made back soon enough. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hmmm I need a Sig
Mrmuttley	Posted - 2004.09.04 02:24:00 - [58] Pay A ransom? No way! Even if I had implants. (which i dont) because you cant encourage them. The other big problem pirates have is dishonourable pirates. Pay some Isk to save your ship/pod and get blown up anyway. Anytime I take a ship out of empire its insured and my clone is always up to date. Go ahead pod me Isks can always be made back soon enough. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hmmm I need a Sig
Wild Rho	Posted - 2004.09.04 02:25:00 - [59] When I started pirating I used to be polite and ransom with mixed results. On a good night I would maybe pull in a couple of mil from people who actually paid and not told me to go F*** myself (this happened ALOT). On a bad night I lost my bb and had to get a new one (income on those nights was around -3.5mil). Thanks to insurance over the last few months I've only ever had 2 pilots willing to pay the ranom on their ships and a very small handful pay the ransom on their pods. For the most part you still get alot of abuse no matter how nicely you ask so these days its easier to just shoot a ship down, take its cargo and mods and block the first person who tries to convo you afterwards. Only pods are worth trying to ransom for isk and it is still rare that people will pay (infact most will log out even when warp scrambled so go figure). Straight forward ganking is very easy for the most part. Park a fleet at a gate and shoot everything...simple. Piracy for making isk is the hardest thing to do bar bounty hunting (respect to anyone who has truly made a career in this field). Mining is easy isk. Sit at a roid, switch on miners, try to stop brain imploding. Playing the market is less so but gets you less abuse and is alot more regular income., especially when you stick to the high sec space. NPC hunting is pretty easy becuase npcs are largely predicatble in their tatics, strengths and weaknesses and most losses here come from bad luck or carelessness. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it...
Wild Rho	Posted - 2004.09.04 02:25:00 - [60] When I started pirating I used to be polite and ransom with mixed results. On a good night I would maybe pull in a couple of mil from people who actually paid and not told me to go F*** myself (this happened ALOT). On a bad night I lost my bb and had to get a new one (income on those nights was around -3.5mil). Thanks to insurance over the last few months I've only ever had 2 pilots willing to pay the ranom on their ships and a very small handful pay the ransom on their pods. For the most part you still get alot of abuse no matter how nicely you ask so these days its easier to just shoot a ship down, take its cargo and mods and block the first person who tries to convo you afterwards. Only pods are worth trying to ransom for isk and it is still rare that people will pay (infact most will log out even when warp scrambled so go figure). Straight forward ganking is very easy for the most part. Park a fleet at a gate and shoot everything...simple. Piracy for making isk is the hardest thing to do bar bounty hunting (respect to anyone who has truly made a career in this field). Mining is easy isk. Sit at a roid, switch on miners, try to stop brain imploding. Playing the market is less so but gets you less abuse and is alot more regular income., especially when you stick to the high sec space. NPC hunting is pretty easy becuase npcs are largely predicatble in their tatics, strengths and weaknesses and most losses here come from bad luck or carelessness. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it...
Torpedo2k	Posted - 2004.09.04 02:56:00 - [61] Originally by: Sleazy Cabbie In a way pirates are like those beggars you see in the street. Sleazy out LOL- beggars? I can make a lot more ISK staring at roids but where is the fun in that? I dont really want the ISK. I have plenty. I am playing a role. I have blown up people on accident who paid and given them more than the value of their ship to get them back on their feet. There are no: 1-Safe spots 2-Ore thieves 3-Corp thieves Just people that do not understand game mechanics.
Torpedo2k	Posted - 2004.09.04 02:56:00 - [62] Originally by: Sleazy Cabbie In a way pirates are like those beggars you see in the street. Sleazy out LOL- beggars? I can make a lot more ISK staring at roids but where is the fun in that? I dont really want the ISK. I have plenty. I am playing a role. I have blown up people on accident who paid and given them more than the value of their ship to get them back on their feet. There are no: 1-Safe spots 2-Ore thieves 3-Corp thieves Just people that do not understand game mechanics.
Sleazy Cabbie	Posted - 2004.09.04 05:11:00 - [63] Yeah I understand, ppl dont pirate for money, they pirate for fun, but every business needs money to sustain it, if it pays less, fewer people will do it. Hey I'm not here to blow smoke up your skirt about right and wrong. Murder for hire is a fact of life, in game, in nature, and in real life, every human being on this planet competes for resources in some way shape or form, there are no "rights" there is only force. If you reward pirates, there will be more of them. Sleazy out
Sleazy Cabbie	Posted - 2004.09.04 05:11:00 - [64] Yeah I understand, ppl dont pirate for money, they pirate for fun, but every business needs money to sustain it, if it pays less, fewer people will do it. Hey I'm not here to blow smoke up your skirt about right and wrong. Murder for hire is a fact of life, in game, in nature, and in real life, every human being on this planet competes for resources in some way shape or form, there are no "rights" there is only force. If you reward pirates, there will be more of them. Sleazy out
AshrakTheWhite	Posted - 2004.09.04 05:51:00 - [65] why i never pay? because i have a fleet waiting to take you out :p
AshrakTheWhite	Posted - 2004.09.04 05:51:00 - [66] why i never pay? because i have a fleet waiting to take you out :p
Stetu	Posted - 2004.09.04 06:00:00 - [67] Originally by: Majin Buu ...and bad for honest pirates like me What's an honest pirate ? ----------------------
Stetu	Posted - 2004.09.04 06:00:00 - [68] Originally by: Majin Buu ...and bad for honest pirates like me What's an honest pirate ? ----------------------
MoLeH	Posted - 2004.09.04 08:54:00 - [69] Ok, so how do you figure out taht if there ship dies with insurance they wont even loose 15 mill ? it costs what 30 mill to insure a BS for 3 mounths so if you loose the BS where you could have saved it for less than cost of insurance your loosing money, insurance costs 30 mill he wants 15 means 15 mill loss if you say no, cos fair enough the cost of the ship is covered by insurance but teh cost of reinsuring isnt. -------------------------------------- Do you see people in real life whining that their enjoyment was ruined by a shark when they went swimming in dangerous waters? - Viceroy
MoLeH	Posted - 2004.09.04 08:54:00 - [70] Ok, so how do you figure out taht if there ship dies with insurance they wont even loose 15 mill ? it costs what 30 mill to insure a BS for 3 mounths so if you loose the BS where you could have saved it for less than cost of insurance your loosing money, insurance costs 30 mill he wants 15 means 15 mill loss if you say no, cos fair enough the cost of the ship is covered by insurance but teh cost of reinsuring isnt. -------------------------------------- Do you see people in real life whining that their enjoyment was ruined by a shark when they went swimming in dangerous waters? - Viceroy
ViolatngUall	Posted - 2004.09.04 10:06:00 - [71] Well as an Ex pirate I know alot of it has to do with honor and pride, however it also has to do alot with isk. Any time a pirate captures a ship and gives them the "pay or die" choice they should have a cargo/ship scanner to see if they are holding any rare loot or have expensive equipment on there ship. And calculate there ransom by that. And if they pay and still get killed it effects ALL pirates. And back in the day was greatly looked down upon by carebears and other honorable pirates to the point of KOS. 9/10 times any ship in low security mining knows the risk that they are take'n by be'n there. And if they are not in there first bship and have lost a few it is easy to deal with. Plus the ones doing the capturing get to trigger happy and kill the target b4 they get time to pay the ransom. Maybe a team of pilots that have specailized tasks such as scan, capture, jam, and damage. Cause not every ship is worth the ammount that you want. It has to be decided by the loot and items on the ship. An Apoc with named equipment mining is more likely to pay than a apoc with basic equipment on. I am the type of person that I would rather die than pay or eject from my ship. I know alot of people are. It has to do with "a captain allways goes down with his ship". May be a phrase that you hear alot, but is something that alot of us live and die by. But you can allways try http://www.pix8.net/pro/pic/2128t6G6B/19882.jpg
ViolatngUall	Posted - 2004.09.04 10:06:00 - [72] Well as an Ex pirate I know alot of it has to do with honor and pride, however it also has to do alot with isk. Any time a pirate captures a ship and gives them the "pay or die" choice they should have a cargo/ship scanner to see if they are holding any rare loot or have expensive equipment on there ship. And calculate there ransom by that. And if they pay and still get killed it effects ALL pirates. And back in the day was greatly looked down upon by carebears and other honorable pirates to the point of KOS. 9/10 times any ship in low security mining knows the risk that they are take'n by be'n there. And if they are not in there first bship and have lost a few it is easy to deal with. Plus the ones doing the capturing get to trigger happy and kill the target b4 they get time to pay the ransom. Maybe a team of pilots that have specailized tasks such as scan, capture, jam, and damage. Cause not every ship is worth the ammount that you want. It has to be decided by the loot and items on the ship. An Apoc with named equipment mining is more likely to pay than a apoc with basic equipment on. I am the type of person that I would rather die than pay or eject from my ship. I know alot of people are. It has to do with "a captain allways goes down with his ship". May be a phrase that you hear alot, but is something that alot of us live and die by. But you can allways try http://www.pix8.net/pro/pic/2128t6G6B/19882.jpg
Piral	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:13:00 - [73] Edited by: Piral on 04/09/2004 11:23:22 I don't pay pirates, because if no-one did you'd bugger off... And mining kit is hardly hard to re-place, really is it... And it's give my killing account another target to set up and have fun with :) Oh and the other and prolly more important reason, is Pirates are to damn scared to come into deep space... What i wanna knowm is why pirates run when the odds are even? Never had a pirate or a fleet of pirates even try and lock my Raven
Piral	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:13:00 - [74] Edited by: Piral on 04/09/2004 11:23:22 I don't pay pirates, because if no-one did you'd bugger off... And mining kit is hardly hard to re-place, really is it... And it's give my killing account another target to set up and have fun with :) Oh and the other and prolly more important reason, is Pirates are to damn scared to come into deep space... What i wanna knowm is why pirates run when the odds are even? Never had a pirate or a fleet of pirates even try and lock my Raven
Cissy	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:22:00 - [75] its al about pride......i have al atributes(+3) inplants, but i rather die then cave into a pirate...even if he ask for ust some mils i rather die...take the isk loss and know I do not negotiate with "teroist"....i have nothing against rats in eve they have a place in this game and are neded ____________________________________________ your logic is flawed, therfor you are flawd
Cissy	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:22:00 - [76] its al about pride......i have al atributes(+3) inplants, but i rather die then cave into a pirate...even if he ask for ust some mils i rather die...take the isk loss and know I do not negotiate with "teroist"....i have nothing against rats in eve they have a place in this game and are neded ____________________________________________ your logic is flawed, therfor you are flawd
magnet0	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:25:00 - [77] Originally by: Sleazy Cabbie ppl dont pirate for money, they pirate for fun, but every business needs money to sustain it, if it pays less, fewer people will do it Nah, more people will just get legit mining alts (or whatever) to support them. Like me. I created this char just to help spend my main char's fortune, no way I'm going cry over lost tolls. I just like to see things blow up from my torps and hear the squish sound when using SB's. Can't help it but it just feels good to kill peoples ships and pods and seeing them type "WHY???" in local.. priceless.
magnet0	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:25:00 - [78] Originally by: Sleazy Cabbie ppl dont pirate for money, they pirate for fun, but every business needs money to sustain it, if it pays less, fewer people will do it Nah, more people will just get legit mining alts (or whatever) to support them. Like me. I created this char just to help spend my main char's fortune, no way I'm going cry over lost tolls. I just like to see things blow up from my torps and hear the squish sound when using SB's. Can't help it but it just feels good to kill peoples ships and pods and seeing them type "WHY???" in local.. priceless.
Archa	Posted - 2004.09.04 12:46:00 - [79] haha find me, i'll pay. I dont' have any morals. You give me a ticket to freedom and i'll take it. Amen.
Archa	Posted - 2004.09.04 12:46:00 - [80] haha find me, i'll pay. I dont' have any morals. You give me a ticket to freedom and i'll take it. Amen.
obscuroditus	Posted - 2004.09.04 15:33:00 - [81] Originally by: Archa haha find me, i'll pay. I dont' have any morals. You give me a ticket to freedom and i'll take it. Amen. Werent you the one telling me not 1 hour ago that "I have allready been in 0.0 for one year and never got killed by pirates" ? Now I know why..you carebear!
obscuroditus	Posted - 2004.09.04 15:33:00 - [82] Originally by: Archa haha find me, i'll pay. I dont' have any morals. You give me a ticket to freedom and i'll take it. Amen. Werent you the one telling me not 1 hour ago that "I have allready been in 0.0 for one year and never got killed by pirates" ? Now I know why..you carebear!
Capt Silk	Posted - 2004.09.04 15:54:00 - [83] I paid the one time I got caught. I got a deal though cuz it was Nafri and I host a bunch of sigs he made. My Moa only cost me 2.5mil. Had I not just equiped it with all T2 and named stuff, and just bought 3 implants, I would have said hell with it and fought back. It would have at least been funny for him to see me scratching at his armor with 250's. -Capt Silk Your 250mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon perfectly strikes Serpentis Soldier, wrecking for 319.4 damage.
Capt Silk	Posted - 2004.09.04 15:54:00 - [84] I paid the one time I got caught. I got a deal though cuz it was Nafri and I host a bunch of sigs he made. My Moa only cost me 2.5mil. Had I not just equiped it with all T2 and named stuff, and just bought 3 implants, I would have said hell with it and fought back. It would have at least been funny for him to see me scratching at his armor with 250's. -Capt Silk Your 250mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon perfectly strikes Serpentis Soldier, wrecking for 319.4 damage.
Tindel	Posted - 2004.09.04 19:26:00 - [85] Doing people a favor by asking for ransom? Realize you are just griefers, in other mmorpgs the pk's at least know they are scum. Y helo thar
Tindel	Posted - 2004.09.04 19:26:00 - [86] Doing people a favor by asking for ransom? Realize you are just griefers, in other mmorpgs the pk's at least know they are scum. Y helo thar
NeBuLa OrioN	Posted - 2004.09.04 20:00:00 - [87] Edited by: NeBuLa OrioN on 04/09/2004 20:02:46 ransom yes or no if been asking mysellf and my target's the same question .. i realy enjoy killing someone but if he's a real newbie i want to give him the chance to get out only prob is that most newbie's dont have isk and i realy hate to start a conv having the guy telling me he's poor and plz plz dont kill me and still have to kill him i prefer to kill him without the convo. wich mean's no ransom i even let a few ppl go when i tryed to ransom and they didnt have the isk "or said they didnt" and on the bigship's its just to much fun to see one blow up trigger happy ppl like us having to stop in a shootout is hard :) maybye we all should start a new policy with only ransoming the pod's i mean your ship should be insured anyway The Orion Nebula star-birth region is 1,500 light-years away, in the direction of the constellation Orion the Hunter
NeBuLa OrioN	Posted - 2004.09.04 20:00:00 - [88] Edited by: NeBuLa OrioN on 04/09/2004 20:02:46 ransom yes or no if been asking mysellf and my target's the same question .. i realy enjoy killing someone but if he's a real newbie i want to give him the chance to get out only prob is that most newbie's dont have isk and i realy hate to start a conv having the guy telling me he's poor and plz plz dont kill me and still have to kill him i prefer to kill him without the convo. wich mean's no ransom i even let a few ppl go when i tryed to ransom and they didnt have the isk "or said they didnt" and on the bigship's its just to much fun to see one blow up trigger happy ppl like us having to stop in a shootout is hard :) maybye we all should start a new policy with only ransoming the pod's i mean your ship should be insured anyway The Orion Nebula star-birth region is 1,500 light-years away, in the direction of the constellation Orion the Hunter
Ulendar	Posted - 2004.09.04 23:39:00 - [89] Yeah miners think that if they don't pay then pirates will go away. Silly :P Its been pretty boring chaining miners recently, they never drop anything good, prolly cause they mining Try killing rathunters, they got better loot... Originally by: cashman It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this. It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
Ulendar	Posted - 2004.09.04 23:39:00 - [90] Yeah miners think that if they don't pay then pirates will go away. Silly :P Its been pretty boring chaining miners recently, they never drop anything good, prolly cause they mining Try killing rathunters, they got better loot... Originally by: cashman It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this. It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.09.05 00:23:00 - [91] Its about pride. I would never pay, even if in an uninsured ship and with implants. In my mind its simple. You dont give in to the enemy *Spawn of the Devil*
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.09.05 00:23:00 - [92] Its about pride. I would never pay, even if in an uninsured ship and with implants. In my mind its simple. You dont give in to the enemy *Spawn of the Devil*
AvanCade	Posted - 2004.09.05 02:26:00 - [93] You pay for your 'life' or you die. Both are sucky choices. I'd never pay. simply because i can't lol.
AvanCade	Posted - 2004.09.05 02:26:00 - [94] You pay for your 'life' or you die. Both are sucky choices. I'd never pay. simply because i can't lol.
olyyy	Posted - 2004.09.05 03:33:00 - [95] Edited by: olyyy on 05/09/2004 03:36:42 Experience prooves that the people who accept to pay and pay the most isk are pirates. When you try to ransom a carebear he says: "I won't pay you coz I would be sponsoring an ebil pirate" or worse he answers "I don't have the money" (which is bad for ya if you can't fly the BS he is flying = no eject deal). When he says that he can't pay, he might even refuse to eject for some honor reason. When you try to ransom a pirate, the guy knows how annoying it will be to get back his stuff once shot down and how much it will cost him. And tbh, he has been ransoming people before and realizes that **** happens. I don't see any disgrace in paying a ransom, you got caught, u lost. It's even a nice deal that is proposed to you since u won't have to buy a new ship, new equippment etc... Anyway, I don't ransom except when the guy dying is proposing me (and if i'm checking local). The reason ? I don't need money Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 )
olyyy	Posted - 2004.09.05 03:33:00 - [96] Edited by: olyyy on 05/09/2004 03:36:42 Experience prooves that the people who accept to pay and pay the most isk are pirates. When you try to ransom a carebear he says: "I won't pay you coz I would be sponsoring an ebil pirate" or worse he answers "I don't have the money" (which is bad for ya if you can't fly the BS he is flying = no eject deal). When he says that he can't pay, he might even refuse to eject for some honor reason. When you try to ransom a pirate, the guy knows how annoying it will be to get back his stuff once shot down and how much it will cost him. And tbh, he has been ransoming people before and realizes that **** happens. I don't see any disgrace in paying a ransom, you got caught, u lost. It's even a nice deal that is proposed to you since u won't have to buy a new ship, new equippment etc... Anyway, I don't ransom except when the guy dying is proposing me (and if i'm checking local). The reason ? I don't need money Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 )
Lifewire	Posted - 2004.09.05 08:30:00 - [97] Edited by: Lifewire on 05/09/2004 08:32:16 They don¦t pay because insurance payout is to high. In forums they make big waves and tell people that "they don¦t support pirates" or "pirates are lazy" but if they wouldnt get 85-90% of their battleship payed by insurance, you would see them pay very very very fast. Face it - we still play in easy mode - press spacebar to continue...
Lifewire	Posted - 2004.09.05 08:30:00 - [98] Edited by: Lifewire on 05/09/2004 08:32:16 They don¦t pay because insurance payout is to high. In forums they make big waves and tell people that "they don¦t support pirates" or "pirates are lazy" but if they wouldnt get 85-90% of their battleship payed by insurance, you would see them pay very very very fast. Face it - we still play in easy mode - press spacebar to continue...
Evangelist	Posted - 2004.09.06 12:21:00 - [99] Nice to see so many folk with a similar mindset as my own - never pay a pirate ransom Although I also have a dream.I think it would be nice if every miner had a further special duty. When ship insurance is about to expire, gather those ships together, fit guns and inflict as many losses on the most annoying pirates in your neighbourhood. Effectively costing them their own BS insurance (and maybe juicy module costs) for the price of basic ship set ups of your own. Imagine if this was done across corps - a whole fleet of truly expendable battleships every insurance cycle, or smaller numbers staggered over time Renegade suicidal miners
Evangelist	Posted - 2004.09.06 12:21:00 - [100] Nice to see so many folk with a similar mindset as my own - never pay a pirate ransom Although I also have a dream.I think it would be nice if every miner had a further special duty. When ship insurance is about to expire, gather those ships together, fit guns and inflict as many losses on the most annoying pirates in your neighbourhood. Effectively costing them their own BS insurance (and maybe juicy module costs) for the price of basic ship set ups of your own. Imagine if this was done across corps - a whole fleet of truly expendable battleships every insurance cycle, or smaller numbers staggered over time Renegade suicidal miners
olyyy	Posted - 2004.09.06 15:48:00 - [101] Originally by: Evangelist Nice to see so many folk with a similar mindset as my own - never pay a pirate ransom Although I also have a dream.I think it would be nice if every miner had a further special duty. When ship insurance is about to expire, gather those ships together, fit guns and inflict as many losses on the most annoying pirates in your neighbourhood. Effectively costing them their own BS insurance (and maybe juicy module costs) for the price of basic ship set ups of your own. Imagine if this was done across corps - a whole fleet of truly expendable battleships every insurance cycle, or smaller numbers staggered over time Renegade suicidal miners Well problem is that miners really suck at pvp so most of time they just get slaughtered without inflicting a loss superior to a drone So basicly they should pay ad forget about it Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 )
olyyy	Posted - 2004.09.06 15:48:00 - [102] Originally by: Evangelist Nice to see so many folk with a similar mindset as my own - never pay a pirate ransom Although I also have a dream.I think it would be nice if every miner had a further special duty. When ship insurance is about to expire, gather those ships together, fit guns and inflict as many losses on the most annoying pirates in your neighbourhood. Effectively costing them their own BS insurance (and maybe juicy module costs) for the price of basic ship set ups of your own. Imagine if this was done across corps - a whole fleet of truly expendable battleships every insurance cycle, or smaller numbers staggered over time Renegade suicidal miners Well problem is that miners really suck at pvp so most of time they just get slaughtered without inflicting a loss superior to a drone So basicly they should pay ad forget about it Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 )
Hospisa	Posted - 2004.09.07 04:10:00 - [103] I'll never pay a ransom, you can pick my tech 2 gear out of my wreckage. Implants, what implants?
Hospisa	Posted - 2004.09.07 04:10:00 - [104] I'll never pay a ransom, you can pick my tech 2 gear out of my wreckage. Implants, what implants?
Castimandua	Posted - 2004.09.07 07:55:00 - [105] Originally by: Evangelist Imagine if this was done across corps - a whole fleet of truly expendable battleships every insurance cycle, or smaller numbers staggered over time A 'Miner Tsunami' love it No to the ransoms ! 'Do not feed the animals'
Castimandua	Posted - 2004.09.07 07:55:00 - [106] Originally by: Evangelist Imagine if this was done across corps - a whole fleet of truly expendable battleships every insurance cycle, or smaller numbers staggered over time A 'Miner Tsunami' love it No to the ransoms ! 'Do not feed the animals'
Pehova Mindtriq	Posted - 2004.09.07 08:01:00 - [107] I would never pay a pirate. If you can't afford to lose your ship/implants you shouldn't be there at all.
Pehova Mindtriq	Posted - 2004.09.07 08:01:00 - [108] I would never pay a pirate. If you can't afford to lose your ship/implants you shouldn't be there at all.
Lifewire	Posted - 2004.09.07 09:43:00 - [109] Face it - you don¦t pay the tolls because it¦s too easy for the 0.0-miners to make ISK. You simply don¦t care about the ISK you need to get new implants. And if you get tolled in a battleship you prefer getting the insurance payout. Imagine no insurance and less high ore roids - you guys would beg to pay the tolls.
Lifewire	Posted - 2004.09.07 09:43:00 - [110] Face it - you don¦t pay the tolls because it¦s too easy for the 0.0-miners to make ISK. You simply don¦t care about the ISK you need to get new implants. And if you get tolled in a battleship you prefer getting the insurance payout. Imagine no insurance and less high ore roids - you guys would beg to pay the tolls.
Avon	Posted - 2004.09.07 10:52:00 - [111] Sometimes people let dogma stand in the way of common sense. Only this last weekend one of the people I pirated gave me the 'I'd rather die than pay your demands - I won't support a pirate' speech, so I blew up his ship and podded him. I asked 10mil, total value of the mods dropped from his ship, 22.5mil. He lost his ship, his clone, apparently implants going by the friendly mail I got from one of his corpmates, all to deprive me of 10mil - but ultimately he lost all that AND gave me 22.5mil. Go figure. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Avon	Posted - 2004.09.07 10:52:00 - [112] Sometimes people let dogma stand in the way of common sense. Only this last weekend one of the people I pirated gave me the 'I'd rather die than pay your demands - I won't support a pirate' speech, so I blew up his ship and podded him. I asked 10mil, total value of the mods dropped from his ship, 22.5mil. He lost his ship, his clone, apparently implants going by the friendly mail I got from one of his corpmates, all to deprive me of 10mil - but ultimately he lost all that AND gave me 22.5mil. Go figure. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Roshan longshot	Posted - 2004.09.07 11:29:00 - [113] Originally by: Avon Sometimes people let dogma stand in the way of common sense. Only this last weekend one of the people I pirated gave me the 'I'd rather die than pay your demands - I won't support a pirate' speech, so I blew up his ship and podded him. I asked 10mil, total value of the mods dropped from his ship, 22.5mil. He lost his ship, his clone, apparently implants going by the friendly mail I got from one of his corpmates, all to deprive me of 10mil - but ultimately he lost all that AND gave me 22.5mil. Go figure. He should have selfdestructed.... Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter,pirate[/i] or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box and from this site.
Roshan longshot	Posted - 2004.09.07 11:29:00 - [114] Originally by: Avon Sometimes people let dogma stand in the way of common sense. Only this last weekend one of the people I pirated gave me the 'I'd rather die than pay your demands - I won't support a pirate' speech, so I blew up his ship and podded him. I asked 10mil, total value of the mods dropped from his ship, 22.5mil. He lost his ship, his clone, apparently implants going by the friendly mail I got from one of his corpmates, all to deprive me of 10mil - but ultimately he lost all that AND gave me 22.5mil. Go figure. He should have selfdestructed.... Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter,pirate[/i] or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box and from this site.
marcopollo	Posted - 2004.09.07 12:01:00 - [115] Edited by: marcopollo on 07/09/2004 12:09:24 I think its about control and power. A pirate likes to feel powerful, salivating over his prey on the monitor, beating a defenseless ship down and demanding a ransom, total control and power trip until.... The other guy has the money but refuses to pay and is prepared to lose his ship/implants etc. Pirate has just lost control cos he doesnt get what he wants in the way he wants it and passive powerplay goes to the defiant player miner. Good for the miner edit - forgot to say that many miners also have some measure of self respect
marcopollo	Posted - 2004.09.07 12:01:00 - [116] Edited by: marcopollo on 07/09/2004 12:09:24 I think its about control and power. A pirate likes to feel powerful, salivating over his prey on the monitor, beating a defenseless ship down and demanding a ransom, total control and power trip until.... The other guy has the money but refuses to pay and is prepared to lose his ship/implants etc. Pirate has just lost control cos he doesnt get what he wants in the way he wants it and passive powerplay goes to the defiant player miner. Good for the miner edit - forgot to say that many miners also have some measure of self respect
Fto Cruise	Posted - 2004.09.07 12:02:00 - [117] Simple answer. Evil pirate,"Thanks for the ISK! Now try a few of these missiles for size!" Gullible miner,"AWWWW! Why did you shoot me anyway?" Evil pirate,"Because I'm a pirate! Derrr!" Gullible miner,"But that's not fair!" Evil pirate,"Muahahahaaaa!" Gullible miner,"You m*ther is a......", shouted just before the escape pod jumps. Manufacturers of the 425mm Railgun II
Fto Cruise	Posted - 2004.09.07 12:02:00 - [118] Simple answer. Evil pirate,"Thanks for the ISK! Now try a few of these missiles for size!" Gullible miner,"AWWWW! Why did you shoot me anyway?" Evil pirate,"Because I'm a pirate! Derrr!" Gullible miner,"But that's not fair!" Evil pirate,"Muahahahaaaa!" Gullible miner,"You m*ther is a......", shouted just before the escape pod jumps. Manufacturers of the 425mm Railgun II
Lizaa	Posted - 2004.09.07 12:16:00 - [119] Originally by: Fto Cruise Simple answer. Evil pirate,"Thanks for the ISK! Now try a few of these missiles for size!" Gullible miner,"AWWWW! Why did you shoot me anyway?" Evil pirate,"Because I'm a pirate! Derrr!" Gullible miner,"But that's not fair!" Evil pirate,"Muahahahaaaa!" Gullible miner,"You mther is a......", shouted just before the escape pod jumps. This last part is troublesome....some ppl are hard to pk, but a gullible miner is easy pickins. He would have been podkilled b4 he knew what hit em, and on that note u tend to get 'fanmail' when u do that. Atleast u know u are popular that way Lizaa - Dark Cartel - Director of Grief TacticsÖ* *Death is coming!!!!!* Ph34r teh Retribution.
Lizaa	Posted - 2004.09.07 12:16:00 - [120] Originally by: Fto Cruise Simple answer. Evil pirate,"Thanks for the ISK! Now try a few of these missiles for size!" Gullible miner,"AWWWW! Why did you shoot me anyway?" Evil pirate,"Because I'm a pirate! Derrr!" Gullible miner,"But that's not fair!" Evil pirate,"Muahahahaaaa!" Gullible miner,"You mther is a......", shouted just before the escape pod jumps. This last part is troublesome....some ppl are hard to pk, but a gullible miner is easy pickins. He would have been podkilled b4 he knew what hit em, and on that note u tend to get 'fanmail' when u do that. Atleast u know u are popular that way Lizaa - Dark Cartel - Director of Grief TacticsÖ* *Death is coming!!!!!* Ph34r teh Retribution.
Lizaa	Posted - 2004.09.07 12:20:00 - [121] Edited by: Lizaa on 07/09/2004 12:22:44 Originally by: marcopollo Edited by: marcopollo on 07/09/2004 12:09:24 I think its about control and power. A pirate likes to feel powerful, salivating over his prey on the monitor, beating a defenseless ship down and demanding a ransom, total control and power trip until.... The other guy has the money but refuses to pay and is prepared to lose his ship/implants etc. Pirate has just lost control cos he doesnt get what he wants in the way he wants it and passive powerplay goes to the defiant player miner. Good for the miner edit - forgot to say that many miners also have some measure of self respect BTW. WE always get what we want wich is chaos. Secondly either u pay and we are happy , or u dont and we get your corps and we are still happy . Notpaying does nothing but get u killed . Paying on the other hand increases your survivability greatly, though there are no guarentees. *Lizaa - Dark Cartel - Director of Grief TacticsÖ* *Death is coming!!!!!* Ph34r teh Retribution.
Lizaa	Posted - 2004.09.07 12:20:00 - [122] Edited by: Lizaa on 07/09/2004 12:22:44 Originally by: marcopollo Edited by: marcopollo on 07/09/2004 12:09:24 I think its about control and power. A pirate likes to feel powerful, salivating over his prey on the monitor, beating a defenseless ship down and demanding a ransom, total control and power trip until.... The other guy has the money but refuses to pay and is prepared to lose his ship/implants etc. Pirate has just lost control cos he doesnt get what he wants in the way he wants it and passive powerplay goes to the defiant player miner. Good for the miner edit - forgot to say that many miners also have some measure of self respect BTW. WE always get what we want wich is chaos. Secondly either u pay and we are happy , or u dont and we get your corps and we are still happy . Notpaying does nothing but get u killed . Paying on the other hand increases your survivability greatly, though there are no guarentees. *Lizaa - Dark Cartel - Director of Grief TacticsÖ* *Death is coming!!!!!* Ph34r teh Retribution.
obscuroditus	Posted - 2004.09.07 12:22:00 - [123] Edited by: obscuroditus on 07/09/2004 12:25:13 What pirates (well ransomers) seem to forget is that you're dealing with PEOPLE here. Real people, real feelings. Not that you care, anyways :) The thing is...if you get ransomed and PAY ....you know that you're gullible, soft, a weakling...you did not even try to fight back or resist, you just payed and put your entire faith in the hands of some lowlife criminal. Why? Because your ship was not properly equipped, because you were caught off-guard....often its by choice, but it's still a "mistake" that it actually got to the point of getting pirated. This all makes it rather an insulting experience, and if you also pay the pirate this means besides the intitial insult and being ashamed you have to live with the fact you VOLUNTARELY supported pirates in their playingstyle, given up your dignity and self-respect and just pray that he wont shoot you after you payed. I rather live with the part that I made a mistake being there in the first place - but at least not given out my dependency to a pirate. I know I will die if I dont pay - but it's a certainty, I put nothing in your hands. I chose to be there, I chose to fit my ship as I did, I chose to take the risc and I CHOOSE IF I DIE OR PAY YOU! Simple. It's all about who keeps power ....and it really doesnt matter what pirates think or want - as long as you can walk out straight - albeit poor - there's always a time for revenge.
obscuroditus	Posted - 2004.09.07 12:22:00 - [124] Edited by: obscuroditus on 07/09/2004 12:25:13 What pirates (well ransomers) seem to forget is that you're dealing with PEOPLE here. Real people, real feelings. Not that you care, anyways :) The thing is...if you get ransomed and PAY ....you know that you're gullible, soft, a weakling...you did not even try to fight back or resist, you just payed and put your entire faith in the hands of some lowlife criminal. Why? Because your ship was not properly equipped, because you were caught off-guard....often its by choice, but it's still a "mistake" that it actually got to the point of getting pirated. This all makes it rather an insulting experience, and if you also pay the pirate this means besides the intitial insult and being ashamed you have to live with the fact you VOLUNTARELY supported pirates in their playingstyle, given up your dignity and self-respect and just pray that he wont shoot you after you payed. I rather live with the part that I made a mistake being there in the first place - but at least not given out my dependency to a pirate. I know I will die if I dont pay - but it's a certainty, I put nothing in your hands. I chose to be there, I chose to fit my ship as I did, I chose to take the risc and I CHOOSE IF I DIE OR PAY YOU! Simple. It's all about who keeps power ....and it really doesnt matter what pirates think or want - as long as you can walk out straight - albeit poor - there's always a time for revenge.
Aurelius Zarander	Posted - 2004.09.07 12:42:00 - [125] Edited by: Aurelius Zarander on 07/09/2004 12:44:38 Originally by: obscuroditus Edited by: obscuroditus on 07/09/2004 12:25:13 What pirates (well ransomers) seem to forget is that you're dealing with PEOPLE here. Real people, real feelings. Not that you care, anyways :) The thing is...if you get ransomed and PAY ....you know that you're gullible, soft, a weakling...you did not even try to fight back or resist, you just payed and put your entire faith in the hands of some lowlife criminal. Why? Because your ship was not properly equipped, because you were caught off-guard....often its by choice, but it's still a "mistake" that it actually got to the point of getting pirated. This all makes it rather an insulting experience, and if you also pay the pirate this means besides the intitial insult and being ashamed you have to live with the fact you VOLUNTARELY supported pirates in their playingstyle, given up your dignity and self-respect and just pray that he wont shoot you after you payed. I rather live with the part that I made a mistake being there in the first place - but at least not given out my dependency to a pirate. I know I will die if I dont pay - but it's a certainty, I put nothing in your hands. I chose to be there, I chose to fit my ship as I did, I chose to take the risc and I CHOOSE IF I DIE OR PAY YOU! Simple. It's all about who keeps power ....and it really doesnt matter what pirates think or want - as long as you can walk out straight - albeit poor - there's always a time for revenge. By getting shot down you support the with some fun and loot.
Aurelius Zarander	Posted - 2004.09.07 12:42:00 - [126] Edited by: Aurelius Zarander on 07/09/2004 12:44:38 Originally by: obscuroditus Edited by: obscuroditus on 07/09/2004 12:25:13 What pirates (well ransomers) seem to forget is that you're dealing with PEOPLE here. Real people, real feelings. Not that you care, anyways :) The thing is...if you get ransomed and PAY ....you know that you're gullible, soft, a weakling...you did not even try to fight back or resist, you just payed and put your entire faith in the hands of some lowlife criminal. Why? Because your ship was not properly equipped, because you were caught off-guard....often its by choice, but it's still a "mistake" that it actually got to the point of getting pirated. This all makes it rather an insulting experience, and if you also pay the pirate this means besides the intitial insult and being ashamed you have to live with the fact you VOLUNTARELY supported pirates in their playingstyle, given up your dignity and self-respect and just pray that he wont shoot you after you payed. I rather live with the part that I made a mistake being there in the first place - but at least not given out my dependency to a pirate. I know I will die if I dont pay - but it's a certainty, I put nothing in your hands. I chose to be there, I chose to fit my ship as I did, I chose to take the risc and I CHOOSE IF I DIE OR PAY YOU! Simple. It's all about who keeps power ....and it really doesnt matter what pirates think or want - as long as you can walk out straight - albeit poor - there's always a time for revenge. By getting shot down you support the with some fun and loot.
obscuroditus	Posted - 2004.09.07 13:26:00 - [127] Originally by: Aurelius Zarander By getting shot down you support the with some fun and loot. Thats ok :) It remains to be seen how much loot is left over...often not much , you can also self-destruct :-) And as I said, its really not about how much YOU benefit from it as a pirate, but how you look at YOURSELF afterwards. It's not you I have to see every morning - but my own face in the mirror . And I'd rather look at a poor and cloned man with honor in him then a spineless piratesupporter going for the easy way and giving out his entire faith and beliefs for a bit of risc. nah
obscuroditus	Posted - 2004.09.07 13:26:00 - [128] Originally by: Aurelius Zarander By getting shot down you support the with some fun and loot. Thats ok :) It remains to be seen how much loot is left over...often not much , you can also self-destruct :-) And as I said, its really not about how much YOU benefit from it as a pirate, but how you look at YOURSELF afterwards. It's not you I have to see every morning - but my own face in the mirror . And I'd rather look at a poor and cloned man with honor in him then a spineless piratesupporter going for the easy way and giving out his entire faith and beliefs for a bit of risc. nah
Aurelius Zarander	Posted - 2004.09.07 13:36:00 - [129] Edited by: Aurelius Zarander on 07/09/2004 13:37:59 Originally by: obscuroditus Originally by: Aurelius Zarander By getting shot down you support the with some fun and loot. Thats ok :) It remains to be seen how much loot is left over...often not much , you can also self-destruct :-) And as I said, its really not about how much YOU benefit from it as a pirate, but how you look at YOURSELF afterwards. It's not you I have to see every morning - but my own face in the mirror . And I'd rather look at a poor and cloned man with honor in him then a spineless piratesupporter going for the easy way and giving out his entire faith and beliefs for a bit of risc. nah heh, it's always nice to find stuff like xl-c5l's, arbalest sieges or cap recharger II's between the remains of stupi..err stubborn people
Aurelius Zarander	Posted - 2004.09.07 13:36:00 - [130] Edited by: Aurelius Zarander on 07/09/2004 13:37:59 Originally by: obscuroditus Originally by: Aurelius Zarander By getting shot down you support the with some fun and loot. Thats ok :) It remains to be seen how much loot is left over...often not much , you can also self-destruct :-) And as I said, its really not about how much YOU benefit from it as a pirate, but how you look at YOURSELF afterwards. It's not you I have to see every morning - but my own face in the mirror . And I'd rather look at a poor and cloned man with honor in him then a spineless piratesupporter going for the easy way and giving out his entire faith and beliefs for a bit of risc. nah heh, it's always nice to find stuff like xl-c5l's, arbalest sieges or cap recharger II's between the remains of stupi..err stubborn people
obscuroditus	Posted - 2004.09.07 14:30:00 - [131] Originally by: Aurelius Zarander Edited by: Aurelius Zarander on 07/09/2004 13:37:59 Originally by: obscuroditus Originally by: Aurelius Zarander By getting shot down you support the with some fun and loot. Thats ok :) It remains to be seen how much loot is left over...often not much , you can also self-destruct :-) And as I said, its really not about how much YOU benefit from it as a pirate, but how you look at YOURSELF afterwards. It's not you I have to see every morning - but my own face in the mirror . And I'd rather look at a poor and cloned man with honor in him then a spineless piratesupporter going for the easy way and giving out his entire faith and beliefs for a bit of risc. nah heh, it's always nice to find stuff like xl-c5l's, arbalest sieges or cap recharger II's between the remains of stupi..err stubborn people Hehe..imho people with that kind of equipment on their ships really should fight back - I was more thinking of miners, noobs, some silly NPC hunters...if it would be my ship and my equipment I'd give you the full load...couldnt care if I died in the process I guess there's some pirateblood in everyone - who cares if you die...at least die fighting !
obscuroditus	Posted - 2004.09.07 14:30:00 - [132] Originally by: Aurelius Zarander Edited by: Aurelius Zarander on 07/09/2004 13:37:59 Originally by: obscuroditus Originally by: Aurelius Zarander By getting shot down you support the with some fun and loot. Thats ok :) It remains to be seen how much loot is left over...often not much , you can also self-destruct :-) And as I said, its really not about how much YOU benefit from it as a pirate, but how you look at YOURSELF afterwards. It's not you I have to see every morning - but my own face in the mirror . And I'd rather look at a poor and cloned man with honor in him then a spineless piratesupporter going for the easy way and giving out his entire faith and beliefs for a bit of risc. nah heh, it's always nice to find stuff like xl-c5l's, arbalest sieges or cap recharger II's between the remains of stupi..err stubborn people Hehe..imho people with that kind of equipment on their ships really should fight back - I was more thinking of miners, noobs, some silly NPC hunters...if it would be my ship and my equipment I'd give you the full load...couldnt care if I died in the process I guess there's some pirateblood in everyone - who cares if you die...at least die fighting !
MoLeH	Posted - 2004.09.07 14:45:00 - [133] Ppl who have expensive loot are the ppl who only know how to use it on NPC's nuff said. -------------------------------------- Do you see people in real life whining that their enjoyment was ruined by a shark when they went swimming in dangerous waters? - Viceroy
MoLeH	Posted - 2004.09.07 14:45:00 - [134] Ppl who have expensive loot are the ppl who only know how to use it on NPC's nuff said. -------------------------------------- Do you see people in real life whining that their enjoyment was ruined by a shark when they went swimming in dangerous waters? - Viceroy
marcopollo	Posted - 2004.09.07 16:54:00 - [135] Never mine with anything but standard kit, surprised folk would do otherwise Why give a pirate a juicy prize, your kitted for mining and running - not battle - why kit a half way house? Cheap, cheerful and expendable so that if you lose it you can afford a rueful but self respecting chuckle while the pirates congratulate themselves on another 'glorious and brave miner gank' while feeling ever more ashamed . Surely ganking miners is for PvP noobs anyway, its even easier than NPC hunting
marcopollo	Posted - 2004.09.07 16:54:00 - [136] Never mine with anything but standard kit, surprised folk would do otherwise Why give a pirate a juicy prize, your kitted for mining and running - not battle - why kit a half way house? Cheap, cheerful and expendable so that if you lose it you can afford a rueful but self respecting chuckle while the pirates congratulate themselves on another 'glorious and brave miner gank' while feeling ever more ashamed . Surely ganking miners is for PvP noobs anyway, its even easier than NPC hunting
Vigilant	Posted - 2004.09.07 21:54:00 - [137] If I have money, its spent...My bank roll barely goes over 15 Mill. and if it does...I am saving for something big... And I am soley a Frig/Cruiser Pilot.... Implants....umm..run some more missions... Get them free...
Vigilant	Posted - 2004.09.07 21:54:00 - [138] If I have money, its spent...My bank roll barely goes over 15 Mill. and if it does...I am saving for something big... And I am soley a Frig/Cruiser Pilot.... Implants....umm..run some more missions... Get them free...
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2004.09.08 02:07:00 - [139] Originally by: Ripp Tyde Originally by: markol People think that it's easy to be a pirate. Please realize that it's anything but. I would like to know how many does a pirate catch on a trip through the low sec empire looking for miners to gank. In a full evening of ganking, I am lucky if I actually kill/ransom 5 people. Most flee the moment they see you enter local. Those that stay behind are in some roid field that you cannot find for 20 minutes while you are scanning the ludicrous amount of belts in system. And then when you finally find that some one, they turn out to be driving a frig. So you try to ransom a pod by blowing your SB. They refuse and all you are left with is a corpse. In the end, you got no isk. The only thing you have is something smelly rotting in your hangar and that warm fuzzy feeling you get from hate mail that says "you are now on the kick your ass in a new ibis list". Whatever list this is, I have never heard about it again, but at least it was fun to read. The lesson here, is that pirating takes a long time. The travel avoiding 0.5 sec systems takes even longer. Mining is much easier than pirating, believe me, I have done both. Then again, I am a n00b pirate. markol, come to the lonetrek/ pure blind area. ill make sure u have plenty of roid fields filled with miners. OHHHHHHH yea i always pay when im ransomed. wait.. ive never been ransomed System belt and date/time pls....I'll be there
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2004.09.08 02:07:00 - [140] Originally by: Ripp Tyde Originally by: markol People think that it's easy to be a pirate. Please realize that it's anything but. I would like to know how many does a pirate catch on a trip through the low sec empire looking for miners to gank. In a full evening of ganking, I am lucky if I actually kill/ransom 5 people. Most flee the moment they see you enter local. Those that stay behind are in some roid field that you cannot find for 20 minutes while you are scanning the ludicrous amount of belts in system. And then when you finally find that some one, they turn out to be driving a frig. So you try to ransom a pod by blowing your SB. They refuse and all you are left with is a corpse. In the end, you got no isk. The only thing you have is something smelly rotting in your hangar and that warm fuzzy feeling you get from hate mail that says "you are now on the kick your ass in a new ibis list". Whatever list this is, I have never heard about it again, but at least it was fun to read. The lesson here, is that pirating takes a long time. The travel avoiding 0.5 sec systems takes even longer. Mining is much easier than pirating, believe me, I have done both. Then again, I am a n00b pirate. markol, come to the lonetrek/ pure blind area. ill make sure u have plenty of roid fields filled with miners. OHHHHHHH yea i always pay when im ransomed. wait.. ive never been ransomed System belt and date/time pls....I'll be there

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