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BoneDancer
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Posted - 2003.06.21 02:44:00 -
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Our corp has been in a raging argument over 'best battleship' for the last three days. One side of the house is leaning towards the Scorpian and its EIGHT medium slots allowing for maximum flexibility in resists and random neat stuff. While the other side of the house says more then 4-5 slots is a waste anyways.
One of the big deciding factors imo is powergrid and cpu. IF you can actually keep 6 big fat ass guns loaded on your ship and not have to give up to many low slots to power/run them then some of the bigger gun boats seem like they offer more return.
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Tzadkiel
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Posted - 2003.06.21 08:52:00 -
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Man i say Apocalypse. tried these in the armagedon day and i must say it is sweet.
i fitted only heavy heavy laserz on it.
Rocks !
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Tnelyos
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Posted - 2003.06.21 09:45:00 -
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i don't really think you can name a best ship, for any class besides indy. it all depends on how you want to fight. if you don't have the drones skill trained then you don't want to get a megathron. you just have to find a ship that fits your skill set the best.
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Ilia Volyova
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Posted - 2003.06.21 12:11:00 -
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I would say Apocalypse, too. Medium slots are overrated IMO, since you need powergrind and CPU to fill them, which in turn gives you less for weapons.
I would have rather more lower than medium slots.
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Main
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Posted - 2003.06.21 16:31:00 -
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Even the apocalypse's 8 turrets will be useless if it can't lock onto a scorpion, simple as that.
And can the 2 extra turrets keep up with a tempest or raven launching 2 cruise missiles or 2 torpedoes every 8seconds.
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Torval Sontu
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Posted - 2003.06.21 17:56:00 -
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missles on a battleship isn't a viable option at this point.
Tachyons will hit you at 40-50k easily for 160+
heh
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Ilia Volyova
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Posted - 2003.06.21 18:12:00 -
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Cruise missles? Torpedos? Pff..
A smartbomb will kill those easily.
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StoreSlem
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Posted - 2003.06.21 18:53:00 -
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FoF missiles are kinda usefull if youre jammed.
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Norask
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Posted - 2003.06.22 00:28:00 -
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What do yall think of the Tempest class? It seems to be balanced stat and slot wise between all the other ships.
As for Tachyon weaps, they'll get nerfed soon, or missiles will get beefed up, only a matter of time. |
CrazzlY
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Posted - 2003.06.22 11:19:00 -
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every battleship is good - everything depends on skills and gear.
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.06.22 14:46:00 -
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In response to wether or not they will beef up missiles or nerf tacyons is a question of simply what the dev's want, quicker or slower combat?
Edited by: Tehel Necrona on 22/06/2003 14:46:01
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Tool
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Posted - 2003.06.22 22:48:00 -
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"In response to wether or not they will beef up missiles or nerf tacyons is a question of simply what the dev's want, quicker or slower combat?"
Wouldn't slower combat be better? I think its far to fast atm. Slower combat would allow time to flesh out differing tactics which would make the experience more enjoyable.
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mrmille
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Posted - 2003.06.23 02:16:00 -
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I'll have to agree with CrazzlY.
Its all depending on your skills etc
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MoonDragn
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Posted - 2003.06.23 07:36:00 -
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Problem with jamming is that it takes 4 ecms to jam a battleship and only 1 ecm to prevent it from being jammed. Think about how useful that is.
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wild Ari
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Posted - 2003.06.23 11:09:00 -
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the problem with missles are their low range.
as long as a target is stationary you have the full 35k range on CMs and Torps.
when your target moves away the range is lowered drastically.
a torp follows a target that moves with 200m/sec (not really hard to acive in a BS). the toprs speed is 300m/sec. so the torp is only 100m/s faster than the target and its effective range is reduced to 12km (120sec fly time * 100m/sec). since most of the BS guns have at least 40k range you will be toast before you can use your missles and then you still have a travel time of 2 minutes.
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Heff
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Posted - 2003.06.23 16:29:00 -
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"Best" is based on preference, but "Best for the Money" is much easier to determine: Armageddon. The stats on that bird are as good or better than many of the various races' primary battleships.
We are looking to do an Armageddon BP Partnership soon if any of you are interested.
Heff
Co-CEO, Playboy Enterprises
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Edited by: Heff on 24/06/2003 01:44:50
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.06.23 17:34:00 -
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"Cruise missles? Torpedos? Pff..
A smartbomb will kill those easily."
Not if you literally drop them almost on top of the ship from a Caracal running MWDs during a strafing run.....
Going to take one hell of a turret tracking speed to hit that Caracal going 700-1400%+ normal speed with out completely missing or taking a severe dmg penalty.
Already works like a charm when attacking cruisers.
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Graah
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Posted - 2003.06.23 19:50:00 -
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Uhm, smartbombs are 360 degrees of area of effect damage out to a certain range. No turret tracking speed required.
However, from what I recall reading, Torps can take a bit of punishment, requiring multiple smartbomb blasts to detonate them. Which would support your current strategy and require upping the ante to several smartbombs perhaps to act as counter.
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.06.23 22:40:00 -
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"Uhm, smartbombs are 360 degrees of area of effect damage out to a certain range. No turret tracking speed required."
SBs are close range. It is the turret weapons you need to worry about upon approach - this is what I am referring to. With 2 MWDs your going so fast there is little time for your target to react. Especially in a chaotic battle.
You release torps near detonation proximity and keep on microwarping past. The target can go ahead and SB all they want. They will still be in the blast radius of the 4-5 torps if detonated by the SB and take the damage.
It only takes 3 explosive torps in one hit to rip appart some of the toughest cruisers in this manner with their shields down unless they using a braced deflection shield or the like.
Cruise missles are way better on cruisers then torps however.
The only problem I have with using torps is they instantly pod the person when their ship blows up. And it is strange - to date I have not seen a single SB used against any missle attack given.
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Ilia Volyova
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Posted - 2003.06.23 23:22:00 -
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Missles which are killed before they detonate on their own do NOT do any damage.
It happend several times that my smartbomb took out pirate missles practically centimetres from my hull and I never got any damage from them.
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StoreSlem
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Posted - 2003.06.24 01:35:00 -
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The armaggedon is too fragile with its 3 med slots.
The best overall battleship would stand between the Apocalypse and the Scorpion. Raw offence and defence, respectively.
The Dominix is arguably a very good ship for the cost as well, its a very versatile ship.
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Sybylle
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Posted - 2003.06.24 14:46:00 -
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The last day of the beta I flyed an Apocalypse.
All I can tell U is that ship really roxxx!
I wanna one (when I'm rich) :))
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.06.24 15:00:00 -
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Ilia Volyova -
Set up a time and place where we can meet and I will demonstrate how you will still take damage while using your SB to destroy torpedos. You simply destroyed them far enough away to where you were not in the damage sphere of that missle/cruise/torpedo.
Or just come by IPAY-2.
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Pokita
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Posted - 2003.06.27 14:21:00 -
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8 medium slots on a Scorpion...
Who can justify getting this ship based on all those medium slots - If we consider looking at battleships for their offensive capabilities, what use would they be over say the 4 on the Tempest?
Can you justify getting the Scorpion over the Tempest, sacrificing 2 guns, to have the ability to go on the defensive well?
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Blackout
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Posted - 2003.06.27 14:35:00 -
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Yes
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Roba
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Posted - 2003.06.27 16:41:00 -
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Ok, the scorp is the best ship for b-ship vs crusier operations. It is able to warp scramble and web 4 crusiers. Or scramble 8 if you don't wanna web them. Once they have been webed and scrambled the ships can pummle them with the heavys and watch the die.
Also you have to consider its electronic warfare capabilitys. The Scorp is the b-ship counterpart ot the blackbird. With the right equipment not no ship in eve is capable of jamming it and no ship in eve is capable of not being jammed by it. (excepted another scop of course)
Its one of the best ships. It depends what you need though. If you are planning to suprise attack and kill some ppl then go with the scorp. If you are planning to use your b-ship as a defensive platform then you should consider an Amarr b-ship.
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Svenja Anneka
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Posted - 2003.06.27 16:46:00 -
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Let's see, with six multispectrals running you are at -95.3344% damage. Although for nerf resistance's sake I'll have to go with the Tempest.
Svenja Anneka
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.06.27 19:47:00 -
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been looking over the stats, apoc in brute force, scorpion for the tacticions and finally the Dominix for cost.
Personally having an apoc for my main character, then will do a BYOM + cash for a dominix.
-Necro
Edited by: Tehel Necrona on 27/06/2003 19:47:18
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NGRU Irbis
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Posted - 2003.06.27 21:11:00 -
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None of Torpedos have 4+ km range detonation and dammage , but simple medium SB have and lagre have even more range i think like 5km, tarpedo on other hand have like 500-1km proximity (if i correct) so if you have medium SB on your shipe or even 2 small once you will be fine to destroy like 90-95% torpedos before they even get in range to do some damamge to you. + if you not alone you always have one person free of tagets locks , so he/she can shoot all approcahing Missles/tarpedos with simple rail gun( even Punisher can do this :) ).
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Sabahl
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Posted - 2003.06.28 16:23:00 -
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If you want a pure-evil-nutter-bastard firepower ship the Apocalypse has the most damage output capacity against a defenceless target.
And then a Tempest will sidle up to it and flat out own the damned thing.
The Tempest is the fastest lvl 2 battleship out there and the 5 mid slots own all the other top end BSs apart from maybe the Raven, which isn't a viable fighting ship anyway. 1-on-1 a Tempest could simply scramble any other battleship, either target or warp or both, and then bloww it away with it's +5% proj damage modifier. In a group battle situation the extra slot affords it yet another multispectral shield hardener which means it takes 40% less damage than its peers. In short, it's a beast but it will only be as effective as its pilot. Load it out well and you can destroy everything that stands in your way. Load it out badly and it's the flying piece of junk it looks like.
And yes, we do sell them *8)
Sabahl
CEO TerraDyne Syndicate
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M0nk
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Posted - 2003.06.29 14:39:00 -
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I agree with what Telhad said. Dominix is a good battleship. Good balance. Decent power and 600 cpu + 5 mid slot and 7 low slot. vs Amaggendon 450 cpu, 3 mid slot and 8 low slot.
BS that i like to fly is either the Scorpion or the Dominix
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M0nk
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Posted - 2003.06.29 14:40:00 -
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I agree with what Telhad said. Dominix is a good battleship. Good balance. Decent power and 600 cpu + 5 mid slot and 7 low slot. vs Amaggendon 450 cpu, 3 mid slot and 8 low slot.
BS that i like to fly is either the Scorpion or the Dominix
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M0nk
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Posted - 2003.06.29 14:40:00 -
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I agree with what Telhad said. Dominix is a good battleship. Good balance. Decent power and 600 cpu + 5 mid slot and 7 low slot. vs Amaggendon 450 cpu, 3 mid slot and 8 low slot.
BS that i like to fly is either the Scorpion or the Dominix
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Raven DeBlade
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Posted - 2003.06.29 18:32:00 -
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Well, in a Scorpion you can jam ANY battleship to "the stoneage" and if jammed it wont matter if you have 8 Large Lasers mounted....
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Irene
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Posted - 2003.06.30 18:11:00 -
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Caldari Battleships need some fix and they are currently the worse battleships.
Why? An Amarr battleship gets "large" weapons but Raven and scorpion get the mighty H-50 missile launcher. so Raven with 6 H-50 2 large guns VS. Apo. with 8 large guns who wins?
Crusie missiles and torpedoes are basically useless since all Large guns have very long range so by the time a Raven's missiles hits another ship the Raven is probably already down to structure.
Unless there are "large" weapon class Missile launcher and "large" weapon class Missiles Caldari battleships are good for wasting money.
Want ECM ships? get Blackbird, scorpion gets 2 extra med slots and for what? 2 extra shield boosters just to feel safer?
Caldari Battleships can't be used for mining( wot? 4 gun points?) don't have enough low slots(wot? Amarr battleships can use 8 Reactor control units or 8 Power dignotic Units thats either 80% more powergrid or 60%+ shield recharge rate,32%+ shield hp, 60%+ capacitor recharge rate, 40%+ capacitor capacity, 32%+ powergrid) But they can use the heaviest missile launcher in game H-50 and fire each crusie missile at 12 sec refiring rate or 2 torpedoes at 12 sec which probably won't even hit.
Extra missile points are for fire works atm :D
Jamming? so u pay 120 mil to do what u can do with a 4 mil Balckbird? I would prefer to have 30 balckbirds instead of one scorpion, wouldnt you :D? hm...thats 180 med slots vs 8 med slots....I am bad at math u could figure out which one is better.D
Edited by: Irene on 30/06/2003 18:15:54
Edited by: Irene on 30/06/2003 18:17:03
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Main
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Posted - 2003.07.01 09:20:00 -
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Stop whinging irene and buy yourself a nice scorpion. :)
The best battleships are the amarrian, minmatar and caldari, the worst are the gallente, well i suppose you could mine with them...
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Ravina Galadriel
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Posted - 2003.07.02 11:04:00 -
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To all in this topic its not the battleship what makes it good but your playstyle and according to that the setup.
Is it so hard to think these things up yourself LMAO.
Flying a Rifter atm (Frigate) with 2 250mm light arti and 2 M12 standard launchers and can take out any NPC cruiser you throw at me. Doing an avarega 100 points damage a shot, thats 200 point/1.2 secs and not even using the missiles then.
Why do you think ppl in M0o and RUS are doing huge ammounts of damage.
Check a ship for its abilities, think about your playstyle then ask around for specs and last of all make a hugh pile of thrown away papers with .... loadout?? .... Nah!! When you think you have it buy the stuff and have fun with it!!
Dont jump on me you'll be batted back.
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Lartfor
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Posted - 2003.07.02 17:16:00 -
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How is the Megathron?
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.07.02 22:35:00 -
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Like Irene said. Caldari BS sucks bad...
They HAVE to introduce better launchers that adds a damage-bonus to missiles(with such high powergrid that cruisers can't use them).
Until them Caldari ships are useless (except the Scorpion if used only for jamming). Too bad, cause the Raven looks really nice.
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2003.07.03 10:11:00 -
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Dominix is a very well balanced ship, one less turret and one less low than armageddon with two more mid (to make 5) plus its about the cheapest of them all .. pretty good really I think :) most drone space of any ship, given drones suck a bit right now (I understand its on the CCP long view of "one day we'll get around to giving them the work they deserve") but you can carry 20 heavy drones thats as much damage as an extra 1-2 guns (max 10 on the go at once) and the toughness of 10 small frigs (ok stop laughing now :D) theyl get destroyed for sure, but you can carry a lot and the cost of even 20 of them is nothing compared to any battleship.
For some reason the image of mr burns releasing the winged monkeys shouting "fly my prettys fly!" then them all going out the window and falling 10 storys is occurring to me here :P
and the smart bomb radiuses have always been 4k for medium (cruiser), 5k for large (BS) which is a pretty large area of damage (160 per pulse at that.. I have an memory of Kwai using a ship with five supernova V large smart bombs to incinerate 40 players at once from beta hehe)
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