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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.05.12 13:53:00 -
[91]
 Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Ghoest
So if I paid goons to shut down down a trade hub to force people into another market where i had stuff it would be legal?
if you paid them
and bloodstained tears are very sweet
You could pay them but they would prolly just nick your money.
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Arkhan Bayne
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Posted - 2009.05.12 14:25:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Jimer Lins
Someone wanted mining in Hedion disrupted- I have no idea who or why, and I really don't give a damn.
To me, this is the most interesting part of this thread...
...why on earth does someone care about a 1.0 system? a single 1.0 system is, in the grand scheme of things, insignificant. So why spend money interdicting it? Unless the plan is some fiendish plot to hire multiple corps to interdict all 1.0 systems in the area, thus pushing up the prive of veld in the area.
Might have to wander over just to see what all the fuss is about. :P
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Hurtado Soneka
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.05.12 14:41:00 -
[93]
Noir are completely lame, they dont post their losses.
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Jarinak
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Posted - 2009.05.12 14:44:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Serious Rikk
Originally by: Jarinak
The other way is that there come some more petions and then it will go to the table of a senior gm who will stop this for sure. Saying that "we do it for profit" doesnt work, with this i can bump the whole day and say "someone pay me for doing it" even its true or not.
Noob
The difference is Noir. ARE being paid for this and based on their actions I suspect quate a reasonable sum too. More to the point, they can prove it.
Lying to a GM about being paid to do something when it is not true would just be stupid.
a yes i need to ask a mate to give me some money to get the "liscence to bump" interesting. Doesnt know that
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Danadur
Gallente
Naval Protection Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.12 14:57:00 -
[95]
While I also don't really care much about a single 1.0 system, I would find this quite humorous if other corps started doing this to macro miners. Why waste time on miners who are just trying to make a living? Do this to people who really deserve it.
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Nguyen VanPhuoc
Minmatar
The but's shoal
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Posted - 2009.05.12 16:10:00 -
[96]
wonder if it's worth the trip in my salvager
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Taram Caldar
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.05.12 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Hurtado Soneka
Noir are completely lame, they dont post their losses.
What losses? Losses to NPC ships? Whatever for?
If a PLAYER is on the kill it gets posted. End of story. As has been stated many times if you know of a loss that isn't on our board please contact Alekseyev Karrde about it and it'll be corrected.
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Jer Bu
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Posted - 2009.05.12 17:15:00 -
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Although the general tone of Taram's posts makes me want to laugh a little bit, and also throw up...the idea of what they are doing sounds fun.
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Taram Caldar
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.05.12 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jer Bu
Although the general tone of Taram's posts makes me want to laugh a little bit, and also throw up...the idea of what they are doing sounds fun.
LOL :) Just puttin the facts out.
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Maxpie
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2009.05.12 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Nguyen VanPhuoc
wonder if it's worth the trip in my salvager
Probably not. I stopped by yesterday to check it out. I salvaged a Hulk and 2 BS's that were already dead, but there was no action in any belt. All I saw was a lone Osprey sitting idle far off a belt.
Noir was broadcasting warnings and was wholly professional - to my annoyance since they wouldn't divulge why someone would actually pay them to do this.
In all fairness, I think the reason should be announced just because the whole thing is so wacky and silly. In any event, I love this only because something like this is so unique to Eve.
He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things. |
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.05.12 18:53:00 -
[101]
If i had a spare bil i'd pay Noir to bump freighters away from Jita 4/4 just to see how, if at all, it changed the markets.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
it does get progressively longer.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.05.12 19:04:00 -
[102]
I dont think simply being paid is what makes it legit.
There has to be a rational reason behind the payment. Otherwise you could pay people to break any rule in EVE and it would be legit.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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VoiceInTheDesert
Zebra Corp
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.05.12 19:14:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Erichk Knaar
Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert
Is this thread really about high sec miners getting harassed by the "elite" pilots of Noir?
Yes, except that I tend to fail in multiples of three, rather than two.
I see what you did there.
Seriously, I think the "omg, we killed a t1 fleet with our HACs and Recons" thread in COAD is better than this one.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.05.12 19:24:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Hurtado Soneka
Noir are completely lame, they dont post their losses.
If you know of a single loss with a player on the killmail that hasn't been posted, let us know and it'll get sorted.
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Tyrantus
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.05.12 19:45:00 -
[105]
Originally by: RedSplat
Originally by: Ghoest
So if I paid goons to shut down down a trade hub to force people into another market where i had stuff it would be legal?
YES
Legal yes. Practical no. The difference between shutting down a trade hub and posturing around a practicaly deserted 1.0 system that noone mined in anyways past a few random newbs and time limited players is so vast it almost defies planning.
Ontopic: After reading this thread yesterday I decided to drop down out of low sec and check it out to see what was really going down in Hedion.
Lol!
Noir couldn't keep me from mining in my cruiser no matter how hard they tried and at one point they had 7 ships all whoooshing past me. They missed thier bumps 99% of the time and the lucky few who managed to clip me only nudged the ship about 3k max. Also the promised suicide gank never materialised so bummer on that one. So after they gave up on me and left me to mine in peace they decided to play bumper cars for literally hours with a retriver that had warped to the belt. Too bad it was a setup and he had went afk hours earlier so it didn't really accomplish much except for gratuitous laughter in the private chat we locals had set up and gratuitous ninja mining in the belts Noir were now not patrolling. Granted I or others were not making much isk from it but the fact is we were making isk. To be fair even if they were not there I still wouldn't be making much isk off of it as the roids are smaller than mittens nads and contain even less minerals.
Synopsis: If you want a bit of fun at a clueless merc corps exspense head on down to Hedion and fit out a nice tanked mining cruiser with some mates and go play with them as Noir seems to be a fairly nice bunch of kids and not emo at all. 
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.05.12 19:46:00 -
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The problem is Noir look after Sec. Status.
They should contract suicide gankings out to a third party.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
it does get progressively longer.
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Fifinella
Caldari
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.05.12 20:37:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Arkhan Bayne
Originally by: Jimer Lins
Someone wanted mining in Hedion disrupted- I have no idea who or why, and I really don't give a damn.
To me, this is the most interesting part of this thread...
To many of us, it is as well. :)
This contract is, to be honest, boring as hell. Wartargets bolt, NPC corpers assume we have the IQ of, well, an NPC corp member and try lame "why won't you shoot me?" tactics in ships obviously fitted for combat, not for mining (a single civilian mining laser does not a miner make). The most interesting part of the day is trying to figure out the angle of our employer. We've come up with some pretty interesting theories, some even backed by circumstantial evidence, but I don't think I can disclose those in public, at least not while the contract is still running.
Suffice it to say, if I wasn't on contract, I sure as hell wouldn't be in Hedion bumping NPC corp miners (and "miners"). It's more grief to us than to our targets, it often feels...
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Fifinella
Caldari
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.05.12 20:43:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Tyrantus
Noir couldn't keep me from mining in my cruiser...
To be honest though, you weren't mining.
You had a single civilian mining laser fitted on your Blackbird (or was that the one with 2 Xenon drills? I forget), and you never emptied your cargo hold: In other words, you were just letting your drills blink on the rocks for no gain.
That's not mining, that's pretending to mine. We're in Hedion to prevent mining, not prevent those pretending to mine from pretending. Main reason we kept trying to bump you and kept taking the single Veldspar you kept dropping was boredom, but it's also good practice: We'll start hitting your ship eventually. So do come back, you're doing us a favor. 
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.05.12 20:44:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Tyrantus
Originally by: RedSplat
Originally by: Ghoest
So if I paid goons to shut down down a trade hub to force people into another market where i had stuff it would be legal?
YES
Legal yes. Practical no. The difference between shutting down a trade hub and posturing around a practicaly deserted 1.0 system that noone mined in anyways past a few random newbs and time limited players is so vast it almost defies planning.
Ontopic: After reading this thread yesterday I decided to drop down out of low sec and check it out to see what was really going down in Hedion.
Lol!
Noir couldn't keep me from mining in my cruiser no matter how hard they tried and at one point they had 7 ships all whoooshing past me. They missed thier bumps 99% of the time and the lucky few who managed to clip me only nudged the ship about 3k max. Also the promised suicide gank never materialised so bummer on that one. So after they gave up on me and left me to mine in peace they decided to play bumper cars for literally hours with a retriver that had warped to the belt. Too bad it was a setup and he had went afk hours earlier so it didn't really accomplish much except for gratuitous laughter in the private chat we locals had set up and gratuitous ninja mining in the belts Noir were now not patrolling. Granted I or others were not making much isk from it but the fact is we were making isk. To be fair even if they were not there I still wouldn't be making much isk off of it as the roids are smaller than mittens nads and contain even less minerals.
Synopsis: If you want a bit of fun at a clueless merc corps exspense head on down to Hedion and fit out a nice tanked mining cruiser with some mates and go play with them as Noir seems to be a fairly nice bunch of kids and not emo at all.
We were disrupting miners, not random people orbiting in a Blackbird who happened to fit mining lasers. A few of us tried to bump you but it didn't take long to figure out you were just a waste of time when there were other people who were actually mining. You just orbited and ejected a single unit of ore every few minutes- hell, you didn't even haul anything (or if you did, it was so minute an amount as to be trivial).
What you don't seem to grasp is that you weren't even remotely disruptive and that your little insurrection against the ebil clueless mercs meant nothing to us because about the instant we figured out that you were essentially the local equivalent of a forum troll and not going to have an actual impact, we just left you to orbit your rocks and talk smack. ;)
Rest assured, my friend- you had no impact at all with respect to our mission. But we appreciate the attention you lavish on us. As they say, there's no such thing as bad publicity.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.05.12 21:06:00 -
[110]
It sounds like they arent even sure what their own mission is.
Is it to stop people from mining and then taking the ore to be processed?
Or is it to stop people from mining as in turning the asteroids into ore.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Imertu Solientai
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.12 21:18:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Zeba
Actually I'm pretty sure bumping is a petitionable offence if its just to keep miners from mining and not in a pvp situation like keeping a ship out of alingment or away from a gate. A case can probably be made for corps they have war decced but then they would just blow them up and not bother bumping them.
Noir are doing it for profit since they are on contract => they are not breaking the EULA
The people who made the contract probably have their own reasons for it presumably (pushing up mineral prices, lulz, etc).
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Faife
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.12 22:11:00 -
[112]
i heard it's possible to war dec corps like Noir and force them to leave if you want to keep mining in that one system and nowhere else in the entire stupid game.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.12 22:36:00 -
[113]
player or NPC losses are still losses and all should be posted.
not posting your NPC losses means that you corp efficenty is only effected by what you want people to see.
for example
you go to shoot a transport ship, the transport ship is ehavily tanked , you attempt to suicide it but concord kill you before that. THAT is a legimiate loss and should be posted.
im not ashamed to say i have lost a few ships to NPC i lost one yesterday as i forgot to turn my tank on but i still post it because that ship was my responsibility and i lost it so it goes in my KB.
because it a NPC is a lame excuse and doesnt show you true losses.
if you buy eve in a box from my game store i will give you isk (GAME , parkgate rotherham)
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Fifinella
Caldari
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.05.12 23:01:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Armoured C
NPC losses are still losses and all should be posted.
not posting your NPC losses means that you corp efficenty is only effected by what you want people to see.
because it a NPC is a lame excuse and doesnt show you true losses.
Huh, weird and rather uncommon practice, I must say. All losses from missions, ratting and W-space posted?
If we wanted to, we could make our KB private. It's not a public service, after all.
To clarify: If a player ship is involved at all, the kill gets posted. Also, ships killed by a POS do get posted.
No corp or alliance I've ever heard of before you posts pure NPC losses, no matter what the circumstances. Not saying it doesn't happen, I just never heard of it before in 3.5 years of EVE.
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2009.05.12 23:21:00 -
[115]
What is the point of posting NPC incurred losses? If no other player was even involved, why waste time to post it? It has no relevance to anything.
Now if a player shows up on that km, whether they did the killing or not, that is completely different.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.05.13 00:09:00 -
[116]
NPC losses should not be posted.
No serious corp that practices PvP activities posts killmails that don't have players on them.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
it does get progressively longer.
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northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2009.05.13 00:27:00 -
[117]
Well my Corp is a mining corp but with people in Noob corp whining about people bumping them laughable. I say good job Noir. for giving them a hard time. They should join a real corp. If they have issues like this then they war dec. Or STFU!
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Lidirt
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.13 00:56:00 -
[118]
Noir,
Not sure if anybody mentioned this yet but I think destroyers are typically the most popular ships for this kind of high sec suicide gank. They're cheap and depending on your skills you can alpha for up to 700-750, 200+ dps. You'll last like 2 nanoseconds once CONRCORD locks you but it beats losing battleships...
The cormorant is pretty weak but the Coercer, Catalyst, and Thrasher can pump out some fine damage especially with T2 turrets & ammo.
3-4 destroyers can wreck a hulk in a couple of seconds. At 1/10th the cost of one torp raven for your whole gang.
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Miyamoto Isoruku
Caldari
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.05.13 02:48:00 -
[119]
So I did use to suicide gank back in the day, and you can break even on some battleships, including Ravens, with an all t1 fit (which is really, after all, all you need).
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Tyrantus
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.05.13 03:45:00 -
[120]
Edited by: Tyrantus on 13/05/2009 03:54:58
Edit: ran out of space. :-P
Originally by: Ghoest
I dont think simply being paid is what makes it legit.
There has to be a rational reason behind the payment. Otherwise you could pay people to break any rule in EVE and it would be legit.
CCP works off of petition volume I have noticed when it comes to enforcing the rules. The only people in Hedion are Noir and the people they have attracted to the system to have a bit of fun so I can assume the petions are nonexistant atm. As far as the original newb miners and playtime limited players they 'drove' off in the first day or so well those guys would have left anyways and are probably just a system or two away so I don't see the threshold getting crossed anytime soon. Unless of course everyone in Hedion getting bumped by Noir starts filing harrasment petitions. Then you may see CCP react if only out of being annoyed at having to deal with a crap load of silly harrasment petitions over an even sillier merc contract. 
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