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Porkles	Posted - 2009.05.10 01:18:00 - [1] Hedion a 1.0 system one jump from Amarr is currently loaded with full asteroid belts, as someone has paid Noir to make sure that no one can mine in the system. They are accomplishing this by bumping miners away from the asteroids with thier ships. It works pretty well too. There is good news though, there is a way to mine and not get bumped away. Fit a frigate or a cruiser with a mwd and orbit the asteroids as you mine them, it makes it nearly impossible for them to bump you away. The downside is you are mining in a frigate or a cruiser, the upside is there are about 9 untouched asteroid belts in Hedion. The buy price for the ore in Hedion is good as well so you dont have to haul it the one jump to Amarr Happy mining
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.10 01:19:00 - [2] Need a veldnaught... good luck bumping that anywhere Pomp FTW!!!
Sythyss Paradigm Council	Posted - 2009.05.10 01:24:00 - [3] untouched belts don't make it worth mining in a frig/cruiser...
Bullageddon Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.10 01:26:00 - [4] i'm thinkin shenanigans, but am too lazy to bring my old mining char to system to check for myself. === This Space For Lease or Sale.
Atraxerxes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.10 01:47:00 - [5] This is a prime example why there is a war dec mechanic. Thrown down or mine somewhere else. AX EVE's #1 (& currently only) podcast "Fly Reckless" Fly Reckless Voted "Best New Comer" EON Magazine 2009. Listen to it today
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.11 05:35:00 - [6] Edited by: Jimer Lins on 11/05/2009 05:38:04 Originally by: Atraxerxes This is a prime example why there is a war dec mechanic. Thrown down or mine somewhere else. AX You know how to wardec noobcorps, you let us know, Sparky. ;) Edit: Sorry, misread. thought you were telling US to use wardecs. Apologies. Corp killboard-How to Kill Logoffskis
Alekseyev Karrde Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.11 05:36:00 - [7] http://noir.pinacoderm.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3754 http://noir.pinacoderm.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3757 http://noir.pinacoderm.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3761 http://noir.pinacoderm.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3770 GL with that. --- Zombie Apocalypse Guitar-Wielding Superteam
Ender Darklight Caldari Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.11 05:41:00 - [8] Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde http://noir.pinacoderm.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3754 http://noir.pinacoderm.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3757 http://noir.pinacoderm.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3761 http://noir.pinacoderm.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3770 GL with that. Yup... There are many ways to accomplish the mission. Keep orbiting with mwd please. It keeps your sig radius high. _________________________________________________ Speed, Surprise & Violence of Action
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.11 06:03:00 - [9] Heh I should take my npc corp Osprey mining squad of doom and go mine away. Lots of room for extenders and resists to make the cost of suiciding them for zero gain in a 1.0 quite high. Originally by: Achar Losa i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
Sythyss Paradigm Council	Posted - 2009.05.11 06:11:00 - [10] Edited by: Sythyss on 11/05/2009 06:11:19 Originally by: Zeba Heh I should take my npc corp Osprey mining squad of doom and go mine away. Lots of room for extenders and resists to make the cost of suiciding them for zero gain in a 1.0 quite high. zero gain? they're being paid...
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.11 06:25:00 - [11] Yeah zero gain. Ospreys are free after insurance and I have enough spare fittings to last for litterally years. So if they decided to spend that isk they are getting to police the system on a suicide op they would lose it as I would just go right back out again. Tbh I think it would be hilarious if every npc corp miner in the area flocked to the system and mined it out in a day. Then we will see how much net profit they can keep out of their 'deal'. Originally by: Achar Losa i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2009.05.11 06:35:00 - [12] Wow, bumping miners sounds like a lame contract for a merc corp like Noir.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.11 06:43:00 - [13] Actually I'm pretty sure bumping is a petitionable offence if its just to keep miners from mining and not in a pvp situation like keeping a ship out of alingment or away from a gate. A case can probably be made for corps they have war decced but then they would just blow them up and not bother bumping them. Originally by: Achar Losa i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
Sanre Echei	Posted - 2009.05.11 07:08:00 - [14] The entire game is PvP, mining, trading, scamming etc are just as much about beating the other guy as spaceships going shooty. Deal.
Arec Bardwin	Posted - 2009.05.11 07:09:00 - [15] Poasting in a Noir recruitment thread for hardcore PVPrs.
Ender Darklight Caldari Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.11 07:38:00 - [16] Hulk down. http://noir.pinacoderm.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3773 _________________________________________________ Speed, Surprise & Violence of Action
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.11 07:39:00 - [17] Originally by: TimMc Wow, bumping miners sounds like a lame contract for a merc corp like Noir. It certainly isn't our usual fare, but it's a change of pace and presents some interesting challenges. Corp killboard-How to Kill Logoffskis
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.11 07:41:00 - [18] Originally by: Sanre Echei The entire game is PvP, mining, trading, scamming etc are just as much about beating the other guy as spaceships going shooty. Deal. Oh I'm perfectly fine with what they are doing. I was mearly handing out some advice to the lurker population of the forums on how to mine all that juicy ore and make noir work for it in the process. Everyone has fun then. Originally by: Achar Losa i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
Tentacle Grape	Posted - 2009.05.11 08:15:00 - [19] Id be careful with this - griefing in newbie systems is a bannable offence, and suiciding newbies trying to make themselves enough for their first ships is unlikely to be met with approval. Eve is a harsh place - but this smacks of trying to get Noir banned by someone.
Mullet Man	Posted - 2009.05.11 08:46:00 - [20] MWD orbit tactic isn't safe, though I just randomly tested a tactic on another char which I didn't even fully test... because I have better things to do than live on the edge mining veld in a 1.0 system. But I hope they enjoyed the free 870 veldspar and whichever civ turrets dropped.
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.11 08:48:00 - [21] Originally by: Tentacle grape Id be careful with this - griefing in newbie systems is a bannable offence, and suiciding newbies trying to make themselves enough for their first ships is unlikely to be met with approval. Eve is a harsh place - but this smacks of trying to get Noir banned by someone. 1. Hedion is not a newbie system. 2. We petitioned before this started so the GMs are well aware of our actions. 3. There have been a number of petitions filed about this. None have resulted in sanctions against Noir. 4. Our actions are limited to specifically interdicting mining operations in Hedion. Anyone who wishes to mine may do so elsewhere. If you attempt to mine in Hedion, we will disrupt you. 5. The rules specifically state that "grief play" is not the proper nomenclature when someone engages in actions for in-game advantage. At any rate, you can rest assured that Noir. is engaging in completely legitimate play of EVE Online. While we understand that our targets are not pleased with us, it is not our responsibility to be in our targets' good graces. I really just wish we could declare war on noobcorps. :) Corp killboard-How to Kill Logoffskis
Sir Substance Minmatar The Empire Nation Dead Mans Hand	Posted - 2009.05.11 09:10:00 - [22] posting in a tragically hilarious thread, where silly miners dont just move to another system.
Milo Caman Gallente Ghost Festival	Posted - 2009.05.11 09:47:00 - [23] Edited by: Milo Caman on 11/05/2009 09:48:17 New Pilots Take Heed. If you're not yet in a Mining Barge, may I suggest you Invest in This: [Vexor, Ninja Mining] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Small Armor Repairer II Adaptive Nano Plating II 10MN Afterburner II Survey Scanner II Stasis Webifier II XeCl Drilling Beam I XeCl Drilling Beam I XeCl Drilling Beam I XeCl Drilling Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5 Mining Drone II x5 I used a variant of this Ninja-Mining in Lowsec a while back. As long as you keep moving, You should be hard to bump, and the 1600 Plate makes Suicide Ganks Harder. Additionally, The Drones will fend off anything you're likely to encounter in a 1.0 System. Tractor Beam should be used to tow your can behind you as you orbit. Refit with T1/Named as appropriate. I'm pretty sure that there are setups for Other Mining Cruisers out there, but I find that this one is pretty versatile. Out of Sinq
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2009.05.11 09:56:00 - [24] ^^ Better way to prevent bumps would be to have a friend and dual web eachother.
Scott Ryder Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2009.05.11 10:13:00 - [25] Originally by: TimMc ^^ Better way to prevent bumps would be to have a friend and dual web eachother. brilliant, i got 4 accounts with pretty much maxed miners on it. Im gonna go try that! ^^ Fit a web on each of them and clean the system
Sanre Echei	Posted - 2009.05.11 10:15:00 - [26] fit t2 rigs etc, im getting a kick out of reading these suicide mails
Scott Ryder Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2009.05.11 10:17:00 - [27] Originally by: Sanre Echei fit t2 rigs etc, im getting a kick out of reading these suicide mails hulks can be awsome tanks if fitted properly
Lou Tiang	Posted - 2009.05.11 10:19:00 - [28] Originally by: Jimer Lins 2. We petitioned before this started so the GMs are well aware of our actions. yep, like they read petitions. Quote: 4. Our actions are limited to specifically interdicting mining operations in Hedion. You lot really have gone down in my estimation (lower then the already low) Somone need to tell us why you sad bag's are being payed to do this. Seems like a spendid waste of time.
Chryzopraz	Posted - 2009.05.11 10:20:00 - [29] I just wonder if they would be able to suicide gank my mining Rokh. It has a pretty good tanking capabilities. Probably quite a few BSes would be needed, considering CONCORD assist :) Unfortunately I am far away from Amarr, so won't check it out on my own. But if anyone would want to try, Rokh is a pretty tough ship properly fitted and a pretty good mining platform too. Regards Chryzopraz
Ms Delerium	Posted - 2009.05.11 10:23:00 - [30] Originally by: Ender Darklight Hulk down. http://noir.pinacoderm.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3773 omg horrible fit
EVEHelpisSeriousBusiness	Posted - 2009.05.11 11:09:00 - [31] Edited by: EVEHel**eriousBusiness on 11/05/2009 11:09:26 poasting in a poast thread http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWzHW648xjY sup?
Serpents smile	Posted - 2009.05.11 11:26:00 - [32] Originally by: EVEHel**eriousBusiness Edited by: EVEHel**eriousBusiness on 11/05/2009 11:09:26 poasting in a poast thread http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWzHW648xjY sup? As a concerned citizen of New Eden, I found the response time of CONCORD horribly slacking for a 1.0 system.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2009.05.11 12:36:00 - [33] Why was that Hulk trying to mine asteroids smaller than its cargo hold? Why was that Hulk mining in a system belt instead of juicy mission space?
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2009.05.11 12:44:00 - [34] Originally by: EVEHel**eriousBusiness Edited by: EVEHel**eriousBusiness on 11/05/2009 11:09:26 poasting in a poast thread http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWzHW648xjY sup? I realise those ravens were fully insured, but isn't it a waste to use more than 1 bs? I hope no fittings on them.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.05.11 12:52:00 - [35] What the hell is worth even wasting the time to go to that system in the first place... It's not like there's ABC roids or something.
cillisia Caldari Domination.	Posted - 2009.05.11 12:52:00 - [36] just use a mining battleship? fit an afterburner or something so you can permarun it and orbit the roids
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2009.05.11 13:10:00 - [37] I've touched someone at a crowded Hedion shuttle stop, was it you? Delenda est achura.
Sun Clausewitz	Posted - 2009.05.11 13:27:00 - [38] OK, time to take the VeldRohk out for a spin. Fully isured Rohk - Check Plenty of throw away T1 miners - Check Plenty of throw away T1 shield tank mods - Check Plenty of throw away T1 armor mods - Check OK, good to go Pick Three: Caldari/PVP/Solo/Success
Nova Five	Posted - 2009.05.11 13:58:00 - [39] All clear atm... Not even a veldrokh.
Scott Ryder Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2009.05.11 14:12:00 - [40] Im coming in a salvage ship. And some hulks.
annoing Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.05.11 14:23:00 - [41] I lolled at the Noir cerberus, I lolled at him flying around looking for easy tagets, I will continue to lol at the fail merc group who only attack macro miners .......... oh wait..... Anyway, either way I will be there again soon trying to bait them Ask to use the Goats Pleasure Palace when you visit the Fanfest this year
Pliskkenn Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.05.11 15:16:00 - [42] A contract is a contract. I think it's quite admirable that they've found ways to complete it well. ---
piratezxp Caldari Gene Works Initiative Associates	Posted - 2009.05.11 15:25:00 - [43] Are these Noir guys only after macro miners or do they go after anyone with a orange laser comming out of their ship? lol - - -Signature --------------------- EVE Online VoIP Services: http://evevoip.alienxservers.co.uk
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.11 15:31:00 - [44] Good lord, AWESOME. Keep the good work going on noir. i salute you o/ ----------------------------------------- Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
Zex Maxwell Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.11 15:41:00 - [45] Originally by: Ms Delerium Originally by: Ender Darklight Hulk down. http://noir.pinacoderm.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3773 omg horrible fit Its not THAT bad. its a somewhat normal fit for empire. if he would have had combat drones, it would be a normal empire fitting. ---
Sanre Echei	Posted - 2009.05.11 16:04:00 - [46] Honestly, you got me curious enough to look at it. It doesn't even fit in EFT at all level V's, far beyond the reach of any implants. Looks to me like he'd have to have been using offlined passive mods.. And that -would- be a horrible fit.
Jobby Minmatar UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.05.11 16:18:00 - [47] Originally by: Jimer Lins Edited by: Jimer Lins on 11/05/2009 05:38:04 Originally by: Atraxerxes This is a prime example why there is a war dec mechanic. Thrown down or mine somewhere else. AX You know how to wardec noobcorps, you let us know, Sparky. ;) Edit: Sorry, misread. thought you were telling US to use wardecs. Apologies. I believe he was. I took him to mean - fight back, or go somewhere else.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2009.05.11 16:38:00 - [48] What's Noir's policy on jetcans? If someone drops one and starts mining into it, do you ignore it, shoot it, or flip it? --- 20:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule
annoing Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.05.11 16:49:00 - [49] Well, I left one out for an hour earlier and they didnt touch it ... Best part is, there are loads of people mining in Hedion now, just waiting for Noir (No Offensive I'm Retreating) to turn up and do something about it Ask to use the Goats Pleasure Palace when you visit the Fanfest this year
Sun Clausewitz	Posted - 2009.05.11 17:00:00 - [50] Originally by: annoing Well, I left one out for an hour earlier and they didnt touch it ... Best part is, there are loads of people mining in Hedion now, just waiting for Noir (No Offensive I'm Retreating) to turn up and do something about it /disappointed... was looking for some lulz after work today. Maybe they will be back patrolling around that time Pick Three: Caldari/PVP/Solo/Success
Reservefj40 Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.11 17:03:00 - [51] Everyone to Hedion - bring a fast bumping ship and we'll take bets on whether we can bump NOIR before they can bump the miners.
Taram Caldar Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.11 17:06:00 - [52] Edited by: Taram Caldar on 11/05/2009 17:08:58 Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro What's Noir's policy on jetcans? If someone drops one and starts mining into it, do you ignore it, shoot it, or flip it? One would recommend trying it and finding out ;) Lets just say the jetcan miners left the first day ;) As for the contract? We took it because it looked very different than our normal type of work and thought it would be interesting to try. Not sure it's something we'd do again (up to the boss anyway) but so far we've had a bit of fun with it. And, as was mentioned in the OTHER whine thread about this: Yes, we are using wardecs as well.
NSSQUAD	Posted - 2009.05.11 17:51:00 - [53] how lame...i never bring my hulk near a 1.0
VoiceInTheDesert Zebra Corp Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2009.05.11 18:11:00 - [54] Is this thread really about high sec miners getting harassed by the "elite" pilots of Noir?
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.05.11 18:16:00 - [55] Edited by: Armoured C on 11/05/2009 18:16:54 nice losses... wait you havnt posted you suicide losses and arnt you guys bored ? if you buy eve in a box from my game store i will give you isk (GAME , parkgate rotherham)
annoing Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.05.11 18:35:00 - [56] Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert Is this thread really about high sec miners getting harassed by the "elite" pilots of Noir? This post is only accurate about one thing -> high sec miners ...... the other part is a lie (no no, I cant repeat it, i'm laughing too much already) Ask to use the Goats Pleasure Palace when you visit the Fanfest this year
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Enterprises	Posted - 2009.05.11 18:49:00 - [57] It's too bad I can't fly in Amarr space anymore, or I'de be their mining in a tanked Abaddon =( Click for gallery!
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.05.11 19:07:00 - [58] Wonder how long it'll take till noir. pilots sec status is too low to get back into 1.0 in the first place. Guess I'll show up in a Vexor and show some miner solidarity.
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.11 19:18:00 - [59] Originally by: TimMc I realise those ravens were fully insured, but isn't it a waste to use more than 1 bs? I hope no fittings on them. I pretty much broke even on mine. We have sec to burn and a job to do. Its definitely different, so, the more the merrier.
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.11 19:19:00 - [60] Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert Is this thread really about high sec miners getting harassed by the "elite" pilots of Noir? Yes, except that I tend to fail in multiples of three, rather than two.
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.11 19:49:00 - [61] Originally by: Lou Tiang You lot really have gone down in my estimation (lower then the already low) Somone need to tell us why you sad bag's are being payed to do this. Seems like a spendid waste of time. We're mercenaries. We get paid to do things people won't (or can't) do themselves. Someone wanted mining in Hedion disrupted- I have no idea who or why, and I really don't give a damn. I care that I 1) have a mission and 2) a paycheck. This one has been a bit different because wardecs aren't very effective. Declare war and yes, the player corps bolt- as you'd expect. The NPC corps stick around, so we're forced to be creative. As to the effectiveness of mining in frigates, I leave that as an exercise to the reader. Anything larger will get persuaded away. As was said somewhere else in this thread- a contract is a contract. You may really not like us now, but I promise you, when you do need mercs, whether it's us or not, you WILL want someone who gives the level of attention to the job we do, even when we're not having as much fun as we would like. Corp killboard-How to Kill Logoffskis
inVictu5 Caldari Black Rise Insurgents	Posted - 2009.05.11 20:18:00 - [62] huh.... This thread is full of lulz
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.05.11 20:54:00 - [63] How do i subscribe to the Noir Newsletter? Wonderful thread is wonderful Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Tressin Khiyne Minmatar The Tal'Shiar	Posted - 2009.05.11 23:14:00 - [64] I've got to go watch some of this. Time for some sight-seeing! -- Save the SEXY in EVE!
Thea Arsoniztik Red Tides Viewer Discretion Advised	Posted - 2009.05.11 23:56:00 - [65] Looks like fun. I can't help but wonder how much you're getting paid to suicide your ships like that.
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.12 00:24:00 - [66] Originally by: Thea Arsoniztik Looks like fun. I can't help but wonder how much you're getting paid to suicide your ships like that. We're professionals, we wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't making money for us.
Kivik	Posted - 2009.05.12 00:25:00 - [67] Oranges
Jason Aversil	Posted - 2009.05.12 00:30:00 - [68] I stopped by there. It was actually pretty boring and empty. No explosions or anything.
Roastedpot Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.12 00:41:00 - [69] Originally by: Jason Aversil I stopped by there. It was actually pretty boring and empty. No explosions or anything. We do the job well
Bodrul Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.05.12 01:29:00 - [70] so basicaly these people are the Goon of that area? bunch of jackasses who just attack miners? ............................... You Don't Need No Reason Or A Three Piece Suit To Argue The Truth ...............................
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.12 01:59:00 - [71] Originally by: Bodrul so basicaly these people are the Goon of that area? bunch of jackasses who just attack miners? Noir. is a professional mercenary corp. We don't attack miners for giggles, we get paid to conduct specific operations; in this case, we're being compensated for interdiction of mining operations in a specific system. It's a bit of a departure from our usual fare of empire wars or 0.0 operations, but it's certainly been interesting and forced us to come up with creative solutions to satisfy the customer's goals. Corp killboard-How to Kill Logoffskis
CrestoftheStars Caldari Recreation Of The World	Posted - 2009.05.12 02:16:00 - [72] Originally by: Porkles Hedion a 1.0 system one jump from Amarr is currently loaded with full asteroid belts, as someone has paid Noir to make sure that no one can mine in the system. They are accomplishing this by bumping miners away from the asteroids with thier ships. It works pretty well too. There is good news though, there is a way to mine and not get bumped away. Fit a frigate or a cruiser with a mwd and orbit the asteroids as you mine them, it makes it nearly impossible for them to bump you away. The downside is you are mining in a frigate or a cruiser, the upside is there are about 9 untouched asteroid belts in Hedion. The buy price for the ore in Hedion is good as well so you dont have to haul it the one jump to Amarr Happy mining bumping miners is a exploit if you are not aggressed, report it :D (yup read it in a post where some one where using it to keep a miner from warping ;) ) ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded
Roastedpot Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.12 02:18:00 - [73] Originally by: CrestoftheStars bumping miners is a exploit if you are not aggressed, report it :D (yup read it in a post where some one where using it to keep a miner from warping ;) ) mining != warping off. they can leave all they like, in fact, it is encouraged.
Monkey Saturday Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.12 02:19:00 - [74] Originally by: Intense Thinker Need a veldnaught... good luck bumping that anywhere lol...nanophoon ring a bell? That dread'd be miles off in less than a minute. --------
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.12 02:22:00 - [75] Originally by: CrestoftheStars Originally by: Porkles Hedion a 1.0 system one jump from Amarr is currently loaded with full asteroid belts, as someone has paid Noir to make sure that no one can mine in the system. They are accomplishing this by bumping miners away from the asteroids with thier ships. It works pretty well too. There is good news though, there is a way to mine and not get bumped away. Fit a frigate or a cruiser with a mwd and orbit the asteroids as you mine them, it makes it nearly impossible for them to bump you away. The downside is you are mining in a frigate or a cruiser, the upside is there are about 9 untouched asteroid belts in Hedion. The buy price for the ore in Hedion is good as well so you dont have to haul it the one jump to Amarr Happy mining bumping miners is a exploit if you are not aggressed, report it :D (yup read it in a post where some one where using it to keep a miner from warping ;) ) Bumping people purely to keep them from warping off without any aggression in a highsec system would absolutely be griefing. We merely bump miners off the belts. If they return, they get bumped again. Anyone who wishes to leave is allowed to do so, and as Roastedpot said- encouraged to. Corp killboard-How to Kill Logoffskis
CrestoftheStars Caldari Recreation Of The World	Posted - 2009.05.12 02:29:00 - [76] Edited by: CrestoftheStars on 12/05/2009 02:36:26 Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: Tentacle grape Id be careful with this - griefing in newbie systems is a bannable offence, and suiciding newbies trying to make themselves enough for their first ships is unlikely to be met with approval. Eve is a harsh place - but this smacks of trying to get Noir banned by someone. 1. Hedion is not a newbie system. 2. We petitioned before this started so the GMs are well aware of our actions. 3. There have been a number of petitions filed about this. None have resulted in sanctions against Noir. 4. Our actions are limited to specifically interdicting mining operations in Hedion. Anyone who wishes to mine may do so elsewhere. If you attempt to mine in Hedion, we will disrupt you. 5. The rules specifically state that "grief play" is not the proper nomenclature when someone engages in actions for in-game advantage. At any rate, you can rest assured that Noir. is engaging in completely legitimate play of EVE Online. While we understand that our targets are not pleased with us, it is not our responsibility to be in our targets' good graces. I really just wish we could declare war on noobcorps. :) i am kind of wondering if the gm would have the same eyes if lets say a major (lets just say goons) alliance decided to make alts and start suiciding in a trade system all day just to stop people from undocking in the stations :P that this is possible from the game mechanic view (considering that a corp literally declare war upon the laws of concord and does it VERY succesfully) just proves once again that there is a need for a mechanic change (personally i would say that the devs have their head up their asses, if it was me i would provide any highsec belt/station/gate/moon/planet, with 2 ecm towers 100% succes instant lock instant ecm'ed, and 4 5k dps guns that instant lock and focus fire+scrambles (while their fleet arrives). it IS concord we are talking about.. funny enough blowing some ones ship of and thereby bending the rules of concord is a legiment mechanic, but if you are able to escape concord by the mechanic which is in the game now it is suddenly a banneble offence... am i the only one seeing the total ironi in that XD ps: anyway awesome work you guys ^^ edit: that is around 6k+ ships, they could clear out jita permanently if they so decided, just for the fun of it, which would then be valid, now that the gm's have decleared this a valid way of doing it. even more fun, they bumped you away from the station, trying to prevent you from warp, and away from the gates, preventing autojump (because you lend 15km from gates) etc. still would be the same, not bumping to stop you from jumping, just to prevent you using another feature, mining, flying to a gate or a station, doing missions, trading, autopiloting etc. stupid line not to make clear in my oppinion ;) ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded
CrestoftheStars Caldari Recreation Of The World	Posted - 2009.05.12 02:32:00 - [77] Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: CrestoftheStars Originally by: Porkles Hedion a 1.0 system one jump from Amarr is currently loaded with full asteroid belts, as someone has paid Noir to make sure that no one can mine in the system. They are accomplishing this by bumping miners away from the asteroids with thier ships. It works pretty well too. There is good news though, there is a way to mine and not get bumped away. Fit a frigate or a cruiser with a mwd and orbit the asteroids as you mine them, it makes it nearly impossible for them to bump you away. The downside is you are mining in a frigate or a cruiser, the upside is there are about 9 untouched asteroid belts in Hedion. The buy price for the ore in Hedion is good as well so you dont have to haul it the one jump to Amarr Happy mining bumping miners is a exploit if you are not aggressed, report it :D (yup read it in a post where some one where using it to keep a miner from warping ;) ) Bumping people purely to keep them from warping off without any aggression in a highsec system would absolutely be griefing. We merely bump miners off the belts. If they return, they get bumped again. Anyone who wishes to leave is allowed to do so, and as Roastedpot said- encouraged to. i am not sure where the line is set, but as i understand bumping in highsec on purpose without aggression is a banneble offence, since this is a exploit and not a valid tactic to prevent some one from something, since you are not aggressed and therefore you need to aggres if you do this in highsec ^^ could be wrong, there are A ****ING FREAKING INSANELY LOTS!!!! of screwed up wierd mechanics which is sometimes exploits sometimes valid game mechanics depending on who/when/where/for what it was used :P (so pethetic, either it is a exploit or a valid game mechanic, that other half way in and half way out is just a pethetic attempt to have it all ^^) ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded
Taram Caldar Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.12 03:24:00 - [78] Edited by: Taram Caldar on 12/05/2009 03:24:51 Actually the rule is that you have to show that you are doing something for a profit for it not to be harassment. We are absolutely doing it for a profit. We are being paid to perform a service. Goonswarm doing it 'for the luls' wouldn't fall into that category. You can't even argue that we're preventing them from mining... we're not... we're just preventing them from mining in Hedion. As has been pointed out... before we started the contract we checked with the GM's. But do go on... enjoying the bitter tears even more than comparing how far we can bump battleships & hulks in 1 hit :)
Gosakumori Noh	Posted - 2009.05.12 05:48:00 - [79] Knowing nothing about anything, were I a vast corporation that had accomplished everything I set out to do in 0.0, I might take a poetic interest in 1.0. If the true measure of a corporation is its ability to hold territory, there is no better measure than holding 1.0. However, the risk is not so mundane as ships or stations being blown up, and so as this hypothetical corporation, I might be inclined to use someone else to test the premise. If members of that organization were not banned in large numbers, a precedent for permissible uses of force to "hold" 1.0 has been established (and if they are banned, I've eliminated a competitor with ISK). If I then applied the techniques directly, and CCP were forced by the size of my action to break with this precedent, even if the plan has been in some sense thwarted, I can point to having altered the course of the game itself - a victory in itself.
annoing Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.05.12 06:04:00 - [80] Originally by: Taram Caldar But do go on... enjoying the bitter tears even more than comparing how far we can bump battleships & hulks in 1 hit :) Hmmm well if last night is anything to go by, most of the time that 1 hit is about 1.7k ... not tooooo impressive for the Claymore that was trying it on me. The Stabber faired even worse and the Megathron didnt even get to hit me though it tried and tried. I do freely admit that the Claymore DID hit a 3 times for more than 10k, but in an hour of trying thats not too good is it? I got really excited when the Mega showed up, was this going to be your attempt to stop me mining? But no, in an hour you didnt even try to lock me, just bored me instead. I finally left when I got bored of trying to bait you by mining but y'all were too chicken**** to actually do anything. Which is a shame as I set that tanking Abaddon special for you ... Ask to use the Goats Pleasure Palace when you visit the Fanfest this year
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.12 07:19:00 - [81] Originally by: annoing Originally by: Taram Caldar But do go on... enjoying the bitter tears even more than comparing how far we can bump battleships & hulks in 1 hit :) Hmmm well if last night is anything to go by, most of the time that 1 hit is about 1.7k ... not tooooo impressive for the Claymore that was trying it on me. The Stabber faired even worse and the Megathron didnt even get to hit me though it tried and tried. I do freely admit that the Claymore DID hit a 3 times for more than 10k, but in an hour of trying thats not too good is it? I got really excited when the Mega showed up, was this going to be your attempt to stop me mining? But no, in an hour you didnt even try to lock me, just bored me instead. I finally left when I got bored of trying to bait you by mining but y'all were too chicken**** to actually do anything. Which is a shame as I set that tanking Abaddon special for you ... Protip: One does not suicide gank an obvious bait ship...
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.05.12 07:36:00 - [82] Originally by: Erichk Knaar Originally by: annoing Originally by: Taram Caldar But do go on... enjoying the bitter tears even more than comparing how far we can bump battleships & hulks in 1 hit :) Hmmm well if last night is anything to go by, most of the time that 1 hit is about 1.7k ... not tooooo impressive for the Claymore that was trying it on me. The Stabber faired even worse and the Megathron didnt even get to hit me though it tried and tried. I do freely admit that the Claymore DID hit a 3 times for more than 10k, but in an hour of trying thats not too good is it? I got really excited when the Mega showed up, was this going to be your attempt to stop me mining? But no, in an hour you didnt even try to lock me, just bored me instead. I finally left when I got bored of trying to bait you by mining but y'all were too chicken** to actually do anything. Which is a shame as I set that tanking Abaddon special for you ... Protip: One does not suicide gank an obvious bait ship... What? No love for the Augoror? Originally by:** CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.05.12 09:55:00 - [83] Quote: mining != warping off. they can leave all they like, in fact, it is encouraged Ah, so when they bump me taking off stations all the time in 0.0 it's an exploit? Or is it only for high sec? Quote: if it was me i would provide any highsec belt/station/gate/moon/planet, with 2 ecm towers 100% succes instant lock instant ecm'ed, and 4 5k dps guns that instant lock and focus fire+scrambles (while their fleet arrives). it IS concord we are talking about.. Too bad, Concord does not administer justice, but only retribution. This is why it's considered exploit to avoid Concord's retribution.
Jarinak	Posted - 2009.05.12 12:29:00 - [84] this is pretty funny. Who to hell pay for this?? This doesnt work in two ways. May be you can clean up the system for a short time then miners comeback over and over again. The one jump to Amarr make it to attractive. And btw this action already get some "fame" till now and it will attract players who normally dont mine, come there with there mining bs watching TV and see that Noir bump them for hours... The other way is that there come some more petions and then it will go to the table of a senior gm who will stop this for sure. Saying that "we do it for profit" doesnt work, with this i can bump the whole day and say "someone pay me for doing it" even its true or not.
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.05.12 12:58:00 - [85] Originally by: Jarinak The other way is that there come some more petions and then it will go to the table of a senior gm who will stop this for sure. Saying that "we do it for profit" doesnt work, with this i can bump the whole day and say "someone pay me for doing it" even its true or not. They are breaking no rules, this issue has been raised numerous times in the past. EVE is a PVP game, suck it up. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Serious Rikk FireStar Inc Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.05.12 13:18:00 - [86] Originally by: Jarinak The other way is that there come some more petions and then it will go to the table of a senior gm who will stop this for sure. Saying that "we do it for profit" doesnt work, with this i can bump the whole day and say "someone pay me for doing it" even its true or not. Noob The difference is Noir. ARE being paid for this and based on their actions I suspect quate a reasonable sum too. More to the point, they can prove it. Lying to a GM about being paid to do something when it is not true would just be stupid. So in conclusion I feel some form of system needs to be in place to seperate signatures from the rest of the post. -- Noble Scumbag
Delphi Grendalus Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.05.12 13:20:00 - [87] Noir. sounds pretty damn awesome. Tear-stained ISK is the best kind of ISK.
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.05.12 13:25:00 - [88] So if I paid goons to shut down down a trade hub to force people into another market where i had stuff it would be legal? Wherever you went - Here you are.
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.05.12 13:51:00 - [89] Originally by: Ghoest So if I paid goons to shut down down a trade hub to force people into another market where i had stuff it would be legal? YES Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.05.12 13:52:00 - [90] Originally by: Ghoest So if I paid goons to shut down down a trade hub to force people into another market where i had stuff it would be legal? if you paid them and bloodstained tears are very sweet if you buy eve in a box from my game store i will give you isk (GAME , parkgate rotherham)
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.05.12 13:53:00 - [91] Originally by: Armoured C Originally by: Ghoest So if I paid goons to shut down down a trade hub to force people into another market where i had stuff it would be legal? if you paid them and bloodstained tears are very sweet You could pay them but they would prolly just nick your money. ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Arkhan Bayne	Posted - 2009.05.12 14:25:00 - [92] Originally by: Jimer Lins Someone wanted mining in Hedion disrupted- I have no idea who or why, and I really don't give a damn. To me, this is the most interesting part of this thread... ...why on earth does someone care about a 1.0 system? a single 1.0 system is, in the grand scheme of things, insignificant. So why spend money interdicting it? Unless the plan is some fiendish plot to hire multiple corps to interdict all 1.0 systems in the area, thus pushing up the prive of veld in the area. Might have to wander over just to see what all the fuss is about. :P
Hurtado Soneka Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.05.12 14:41:00 - [93] Noir are completely lame, they dont post their losses.
Jarinak	Posted - 2009.05.12 14:44:00 - [94] Originally by: Serious Rikk Originally by: Jarinak The other way is that there come some more petions and then it will go to the table of a senior gm who will stop this for sure. Saying that "we do it for profit" doesnt work, with this i can bump the whole day and say "someone pay me for doing it" even its true or not. Noob The difference is Noir. ARE being paid for this and based on their actions I suspect quate a reasonable sum too. More to the point, they can prove it. Lying to a GM about being paid to do something when it is not true would just be stupid. a yes i need to ask a mate to give me some money to get the "liscence to bump" interesting. Doesnt know that
Danadur Gallente Naval Protection Corp	Posted - 2009.05.12 14:57:00 - [95] While I also don't really care much about a single 1.0 system, I would find this quite humorous if other corps started doing this to macro miners. Why waste time on miners who are just trying to make a living? Do this to people who really deserve it.
Nguyen VanPhuoc Minmatar The but's shoal	Posted - 2009.05.12 16:10:00 - [96] wonder if it's worth the trip in my salvager ___________________ MAXimum CAOD!
Taram Caldar Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.12 16:16:00 - [97] Originally by: Hurtado Soneka Noir are completely lame, they dont post their losses. What losses? Losses to NPC ships? Whatever for? If a PLAYER is on the kill it gets posted. End of story. As has been stated many times if you know of a loss that isn't on our board please contact Alekseyev Karrde about it and it'll be corrected.
Jer Bu	Posted - 2009.05.12 17:15:00 - [98] Although the general tone of Taram's posts makes me want to laugh a little bit, and also throw up...the idea of what they are doing sounds fun.
Taram Caldar Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.12 17:31:00 - [99] Originally by: Jer Bu Although the general tone of Taram's posts makes me want to laugh a little bit, and also throw up...the idea of what they are doing sounds fun. LOL :) Just puttin the facts out.
Maxpie Cross Roads	Posted - 2009.05.12 18:30:00 - [100] Originally by: Nguyen VanPhuoc wonder if it's worth the trip in my salvager Probably not. I stopped by yesterday to check it out. I salvaged a Hulk and 2 BS's that were already dead, but there was no action in any belt. All I saw was a lone Osprey sitting idle far off a belt. Noir was broadcasting warnings and was wholly professional - to my annoyance since they wouldn't divulge why someone would actually pay them to do this. In all fairness, I think the reason should be announced just because the whole thing is so wacky and silly. In any event, I love this only because something like this is so unique to Eve. He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things.
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.05.12 18:53:00 - [101] If i had a spare bil i'd pay Noir to bump freighters away from Jita 4/4 just to see how, if at all, it changed the markets. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.05.12 19:04:00 - [102] I dont think simply being paid is what makes it legit. There has to be a rational reason behind the payment. Otherwise you could pay people to break any rule in EVE and it would be legit. Wherever you went - Here you are.
VoiceInTheDesert Zebra Corp Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2009.05.12 19:14:00 - [103] Originally by: Erichk Knaar Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert Is this thread really about high sec miners getting harassed by the "elite" pilots of Noir? Yes, except that I tend to fail in multiples of three, rather than two. I see what you did there. Seriously, I think the "omg, we killed a t1 fleet with our HACs and Recons" thread in COAD is better than this one.
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.12 19:24:00 - [104] Originally by: Hurtado Soneka Noir are completely lame, they dont post their losses. If you know of a single loss with a player on the killmail that hasn't been posted, let us know and it'll get sorted. Corp killboard-How to Kill Logoffskis
Tyrantus Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.05.12 19:45:00 - [105] Originally by: RedSplat Originally by: Ghoest So if I paid goons to shut down down a trade hub to force people into another market where i had stuff it would be legal? YES Legal yes. Practical no. The difference between shutting down a trade hub and posturing around a practicaly deserted 1.0 system that noone mined in anyways past a few random newbs and time limited players is so vast it almost defies planning. Ontopic: After reading this thread yesterday I decided to drop down out of low sec and check it out to see what was really going down in Hedion. Lol! Noir couldn't keep me from mining in my cruiser no matter how hard they tried and at one point they had 7 ships all whoooshing past me. They missed thier bumps 99% of the time and the lucky few who managed to clip me only nudged the ship about 3k max. Also the promised suicide gank never materialised so bummer on that one. So after they gave up on me and left me to mine in peace they decided to play bumper cars for literally hours with a retriver that had warped to the belt. Too bad it was a setup and he had went afk hours earlier so it didn't really accomplish much except for gratuitous laughter in the private chat we locals had set up and gratuitous ninja mining in the belts Noir were now not patrolling. Granted I or others were not making much isk from it but the fact is we were making isk. To be fair even if they were not there I still wouldn't be making much isk off of it as the roids are smaller than mittens nads and contain even less minerals. Synopsis: If you want a bit of fun at a clueless merc corps exspense head on down to Hedion and fit out a nice tanked mining cruiser with some mates and go play with them as Noir seems to be a fairly nice bunch of kids and not emo at all.
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.05.12 19:46:00 - [106] The problem is Noir look after Sec. Status. They should contract suicide gankings out to a third party. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Fifinella Caldari Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.12 20:37:00 - [107] Originally by: Arkhan Bayne Originally by: Jimer Lins Someone wanted mining in Hedion disrupted- I have no idea who or why, and I really don't give a damn. To me, this is the most interesting part of this thread... To many of us, it is as well. :) This contract is, to be honest, boring as hell. Wartargets bolt, NPC corpers assume we have the IQ of, well, an NPC corp member and try lame "why won't you shoot me?" tactics in ships obviously fitted for combat, not for mining (a single civilian mining laser does not a miner make). The most interesting part of the day is trying to figure out the angle of our employer. We've come up with some pretty interesting theories, some even backed by circumstantial evidence, but I don't think I can disclose those in public, at least not while the contract is still running. Suffice it to say, if I wasn't on contract, I sure as hell wouldn't be in Hedion bumping NPC corp miners (and "miners"). It's more grief to us than to our targets, it often feels...
Fifinella Caldari Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.12 20:43:00 - [108] Originally by: Tyrantus Noir couldn't keep me from mining in my cruiser... To be honest though, you weren't mining. You had a single civilian mining laser fitted on your Blackbird (or was that the one with 2 Xenon drills? I forget), and you never emptied your cargo hold: In other words, you were just letting your drills blink on the rocks for no gain. That's not mining, that's pretending to mine. We're in Hedion to prevent mining, not prevent those pretending to mine from pretending. Main reason we kept trying to bump you and kept taking the single Veldspar you kept dropping was boredom, but it's also good practice: We'll start hitting your ship eventually. So do come back, you're doing us a favor.
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.12 20:44:00 - [109] Originally by: Tyrantus Originally by: RedSplat Originally by: Ghoest So if I paid goons to shut down down a trade hub to force people into another market where i had stuff it would be legal? YES Legal yes. Practical no. The difference between shutting down a trade hub and posturing around a practicaly deserted 1.0 system that noone mined in anyways past a few random newbs and time limited players is so vast it almost defies planning. Ontopic: After reading this thread yesterday I decided to drop down out of low sec and check it out to see what was really going down in Hedion. Lol! Noir couldn't keep me from mining in my cruiser no matter how hard they tried and at one point they had 7 ships all whoooshing past me. They missed thier bumps 99% of the time and the lucky few who managed to clip me only nudged the ship about 3k max. Also the promised suicide gank never materialised so bummer on that one. So after they gave up on me and left me to mine in peace they decided to play bumper cars for literally hours with a retriver that had warped to the belt. Too bad it was a setup and he had went afk hours earlier so it didn't really accomplish much except for gratuitous laughter in the private chat we locals had set up and gratuitous ninja mining in the belts Noir were now not patrolling. Granted I or others were not making much isk from it but the fact is we were making isk. To be fair even if they were not there I still wouldn't be making much isk off of it as the roids are smaller than mittens nads and contain even less minerals. Synopsis: If you want a bit of fun at a clueless merc corps exspense head on down to Hedion and fit out a nice tanked mining cruiser with some mates and go play with them as Noir seems to be a fairly nice bunch of kids and not emo at all. We were disrupting miners, not random people orbiting in a Blackbird who happened to fit mining lasers. A few of us tried to bump you but it didn't take long to figure out you were just a waste of time when there were other people who were actually mining. You just orbited and ejected a single unit of ore every few minutes- hell, you didn't even haul anything (or if you did, it was so minute an amount as to be trivial). What you don't seem to grasp is that you weren't even remotely disruptive and that your little insurrection against the ebil clueless mercs meant nothing to us because about the instant we figured out that you were essentially the local equivalent of a forum troll and not going to have an actual impact, we just left you to orbit your rocks and talk smack. ;) Rest assured, my friend- you had no impact at all with respect to our mission. But we appreciate the attention you lavish on us. As they say, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Corp killboard-How to Kill Logoffskis
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.05.12 21:06:00 - [110] It sounds like they arent even sure what their own mission is. Is it to stop people from mining and then taking the ore to be processed? Or is it to stop people from mining as in turning the asteroids into ore. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Imertu Solientai Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.12 21:18:00 - [111] Originally by: Zeba Actually I'm pretty sure bumping is a petitionable offence if its just to keep miners from mining and not in a pvp situation like keeping a ship out of alingment or away from a gate. A case can probably be made for corps they have war decced but then they would just blow them up and not bother bumping them. Noir are doing it for profit since they are on contract => they are not breaking the EULA The people who made the contract probably have their own reasons for it presumably (pushing up mineral prices, lulz, etc). CLEAR SKIES 2 IS OUT! PLEASE SEED!
Faife Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.05.12 22:11:00 - [112] i heard it's possible to war dec corps like Noir and force them to leave if you want to keep mining in that one system and nowhere else in the entire stupid game. --
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.05.12 22:36:00 - [113] player or NPC losses are still losses and all should be posted. not posting your NPC losses means that you corp efficenty is only effected by what you want people to see. for example you go to shoot a transport ship, the transport ship is ehavily tanked , you attempt to suicide it but concord kill you before that. THAT is a legimiate loss and should be posted. im not ashamed to say i have lost a few ships to NPC i lost one yesterday as i forgot to turn my tank on but i still post it because that ship was my responsibility and i lost it so it goes in my KB. because it a NPC is a lame excuse and doesnt show you true losses. if you buy eve in a box from my game store i will give you isk (GAME , parkgate rotherham)
Fifinella Caldari Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.12 23:01:00 - [114] Originally by: Armoured C NPC losses are still losses and all should be posted. not posting your NPC losses means that you corp efficenty is only effected by what you want people to see. because it a NPC is a lame excuse and doesnt show you true losses. Huh, weird and rather uncommon practice, I must say. All losses from missions, ratting and W-space posted? If we wanted to, we could make our KB private. It's not a public service, after all. To clarify: If a player ship is involved at all, the kill gets posted. Also, ships killed by a POS do get posted. No corp or alliance I've ever heard of before you posts pure NPC losses, no matter what the circumstances. Not saying it doesn't happen, I just never heard of it before in 3.5 years of EVE.
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.05.12 23:21:00 - [115] What is the point of posting NPC incurred losses? If no other player was even involved, why waste time to post it? It has no relevance to anything. Now if a player shows up on that km, whether they did the killing or not, that is completely different. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.05.13 00:09:00 - [116] NPC losses should not be posted. No serious corp that practices PvP activities posts killmails that don't have players on them. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2009.05.13 00:27:00 - [117] Well my Corp is a mining corp but with people in Noob corp whining about people bumping them laughable. I say good job Noir. for giving them a hard time. They should join a real corp. If they have issues like this then they war dec. Or STFU! Trinity Corporate Services
Lidirt AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.13 00:56:00 - [118] Noir, Not sure if anybody mentioned this yet but I think destroyers are typically the most popular ships for this kind of high sec suicide gank. They're cheap and depending on your skills you can alpha for up to 700-750, 200+ dps. You'll last like 2 nanoseconds once CONRCORD locks you but it beats losing battleships... The cormorant is pretty weak but the Coercer, Catalyst, and Thrasher can pump out some fine damage especially with T2 turrets & ammo. 3-4 destroyers can wreck a hulk in a couple of seconds. At 1/10th the cost of one torp raven for your whole gang.
Miyamoto Isoruku Caldari Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.13 02:48:00 - [119] So I did use to suicide gank back in the day, and you can break even on some battleships, including Ravens, with an all t1 fit (which is really, after all, all you need). Please resize your sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 - Mitnal
Tyrantus Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.05.13 03:45:00 - [120] Edited by: Tyrantus on 13/05/2009 03:54:58 Edit: ran out of space. :-P Originally by: Ghoest I dont think simply being paid is what makes it legit. There has to be a rational reason behind the payment. Otherwise you could pay people to break any rule in EVE and it would be legit. CCP works off of petition volume I have noticed when it comes to enforcing the rules. The only people in Hedion are Noir and the people they have attracted to the system to have a bit of fun so I can assume the petions are nonexistant atm. As far as the original newb miners and playtime limited players they 'drove' off in the first day or so well those guys would have left anyways and are probably just a system or two away so I don't see the threshold getting crossed anytime soon. Unless of course everyone in Hedion getting bumped by Noir starts filing harrasment petitions. Then you may see CCP react if only out of being annoyed at having to deal with a crap load of silly harrasment petitions over an even sillier merc contract.
Tyrantus Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.05.13 03:47:00 - [121] Originally by: Fifinella Originally by: Tyrantus Noir couldn't keep me from mining in my cruiser... To be honest though, you weren't mining. You had a single civilian mining laser fitted on your Blackbird (or was that the one with 2 Xenon drills? I forget), and you never emptied your cargo hold: In other words, you were just letting your drills blink on the rocks for no gain. That's not mining, that's pretending to mine. We're in Hedion to prevent mining, not prevent those pretending to mine from pretending. Main reason we kept trying to bump you and kept taking the single Veldspar you kept dropping was boredom, but it's also good practice: We'll start hitting your ship eventually. So do come back, you're doing us a favor. Oh so you though I was only just dropping 1 veld per can and never transfering? Heh mission acomplished. Btw that 'ore thief' I was complaining about in local? Welp that was really my cloaked ninja hauler scooting back and forth from the cloaked orca sitting at a well made safespot. Also here is my 'civvy' miner fitted blackbird just so you know what to expect. [Blackbird, Ninja Miner] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II XeCl Drilling Beam I XeCl Drilling Beam I XeCl Drilling Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I As far as coming back to help with the obviously needed bumping practice well sure thing mates. I have opened up my eve schedule to hang out in Hedion and am currently running a few moar alts in and asking any and all to come join me so you will have lots of practice if I can convince them to stop making isk to annoy a merc outfit. Which brings us to the point. Originally by: Jimer Lins We were disrupting miners, not random people orbiting in a Blackbird who happened to fit mining lasers. A few of us tried to bump you but it didn't take long to figure out you were just a waste of time when there were other people who were actually mining. You just orbited and ejected a single unit of ore every few minutes- hell, you didn't even haul anything (or if you did, it was so minute an amount as to be trivial). Telling opinion that last part. Is your mission to disrupt all mining operations in Hedion or not? Mining is mining and no matter how 'trivial' you may think the amount being taken may be. The contract issuer is certainly not inclinded to want anyone take any amount of ore from Hedion. He feels so strongly about this he paid a merc corp to bump newbs away from the worthless at best of times belts. You Are Not Fullfilling Your Contractual Obligations. Originally by: Jimer Lins What you don't seem to grasp is that you weren't even remotely disruptive and that your little insurrection against the ebil clueless mercs meant nothing to us because about the instant we figured out that you were essentially the local equivalent of a forum troll and not going to have an actual impact, we just left you to orbit your rocks and talk smack. ;) Mittens has nothing on me.. Originally by: Jimer Lins Rest assured, my friend- you had no impact at all with respect to our mission. But we appreciate the attention you lavish on us. As they say, there's no such thing as bad publicity. So they say but hey its a contract and you got paid so enjoy! Note to any oppourtunistic faction hunters out there: They all fly faction cruisers or ishtars and have a penchant for nicking any ore you jet out so just fit a web and scram then nab one when he gets too close and warp in the suicide squad. Should make for much lulz.
Tellenta Gallente Invicta. Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.05.13 05:01:00 - [122] Originally by: Tyrantus trying to hard Congrats! Was wondering where NOIR trundled off to, you guys have to be doing well to have generated this many pages in response. Hopefully your next contract will be a PVP contract, you sure deserve it after this .
Tyrantus Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.05.13 05:22:00 - [123] Originally by: Tellenta Originally by: Tyrantus trying to hard Congrats! Was wondering where NOIR trundled off to, you guys have to be doing well to have generated this many pages in response. Hopefully your next contract will be a PVP contract, you sure deserve it after this . They aren't generating any responce in game past the curious players who have read this thread and decided to trundle off to Hedion to see whats going on. Now about it generating a forum responce well gee thats because its what we do here in the forums them being forums and all. Tbh I hope they trundle back to the pvp zones and put thier ceo against the wall and repeatedly pod him if he ever takes a comedy contract like this ever again or allows members to post in an obvious bait thread. On a personal note I will say the Noir did act professional, did not smack like adhd kiddies and did indeed try to keep people including me from mining in peace for literaly the whole night with mostly minimal results. But having them 'enforce' mining in Hedion them actualy post in this thread is like Dairy Queen hiring a crack commando squad to run off all the buisiness of Uncle Joe's homemade Ice Cream and Bait shop at the corner of Main and Hillbilly lane in Mudsville Alabama then brag about it as a job well done. Total Comedy Gold.
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.13 05:31:00 - [124] Originally by: Tyrantus Originally by: Tellenta Originally by: Tyrantus trying to hard Congrats! Was wondering where NOIR trundled off to, you guys have to be doing well to have generated this many pages in response. Hopefully your next contract will be a PVP contract, you sure deserve it after this . They aren't generating any responce in game past the curious players who have read this thread and decided to trundle off to Hedion to see whats going on. Now about it generating a forum responce well gee thats because its what we do here in the forums them being forums and all. Tbh I hope they trundle back to the pvp zones and put thier ceo against the wall and repeatedly pod him if he ever takes a comedy contract like this ever again or allows members to post in an obvious bait thread. On a personal note I will say the Noir did act professional, did not smack like adhd kiddies and did indeed try to keep people including me from mining in peace for literaly the whole night with mostly minimal results. But having them 'enforce' mining in Hedion them actualy post in this thread is like Dairy Queen hiring a crack commando squad to run off all the buisiness of Uncle Joe's homemade Ice Cream and Bait shop at the corner of Main and Hillbilly lane in Mudsville Alabama then brag about it as a job well done. Total Comedy Gold. I think we got a few from the other thread about this too.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.13 07:49:00 - [125] Whilst the cats are away. The mice will play. Originally by: Achar Losa i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
Fifinella Caldari Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.13 08:19:00 - [126] Edited by: Fifinella on 13/05/2009 08:19:51 Originally by: Tyrantus Also here is my 'civvy' miner fitted blackbird just so you know what to expect. You sound like someone who's never even heard of ship scanners. I know what you're fitting, I just don't care enough to commit it to memory. If I need the info, I'll scan you down again. Quote: Telling opinion that last part. Is your mission to disrupt all mining operations in Hedion or not? Mining is mining and no matter how 'trivial' you may think the amount being taken may be. The contract issuer is certainly not inclinded to want anyone take any amount of ore from Hedion. He feels so strongly about this he paid a merc corp to bump newbs away from the worthless at best of times belts. You Are Not Fullfilling Your Contractual Obligations. I wasn't aware you were so well versed with our contract as to be able to judge whether we're fulfilling it or not. Please feel free to inform our customer about our breach of contract at your earliest opportunity. The details of our contract is between Noir. and our employer, and if you want to know what they are, you have to ask our employer. Oh, and you're still not mining. Real miners use real mining ships, be it a cruiser with mining bonus or actual barges or exhumers. What you're still doing is called "nibbling". We're not in Hedion to prevent nibbling, either. Quote: Note to any oppourtunistic faction hunters out there: They all fly faction cruisers or ishtars and have a penchant for nicking any ore you jet out so just fit a web and scram then nab one when he gets too close and warp in the suicide squad. Should make for much lulz. This tells a lot more about you than us, to be honest. If you _really_ think we'll fall for something as silly as that, why haven't you given it a try? Why is it, btw, that us on a contract are wasting our time (and why do you take such a huge interest in it anyway?), while you _claim_ to be doing all sorts of cool stuff with your alts while using just one account to mess with us, and then it turns out you're actually giving us _all_ your attention? Aren't _you_ just wasting time? So when you said you're doing cool stuff with your accounts while annoying us with one, you were lying? Well quess what? When I said I'm doing other stuff than just staring at (mostly) empty belts? I wasn't lying. And please don't claim to be "stalking a prey in lowsec" while juggling a cloaked hauler in an asteroid belt to reach a moving can, a "mining" ship, and the "well-hidden Orca" (none of which I believe for a second, incidentally, but let's indulge you for a moment here) at the same time. It's interesting to note how several posts in this thread are desperately trying to get more people to come to Hedion to annoy us. "They all fly faction cruisers and are really easy to trap, come gank them" is new, but the best laughs I'm getting are from all the "OMG it's full of ore!"-messages. As an ex-miner, I can say that what Hedion has is called gravel, not asteroids, yet people try to make it sound like the lost mines of Solomon. I'm actually grateful for that, since more targets (bumpaple or otherwise) means less boredom. And Tyrantus, you got it wrong way up in your earlier post: I wasn't saying your attempts at amusing, I mean annoying us are what's causing us grief. On the contrary. An empty system would be the worst thing, that would really feel like we were the griefed ones, not the griefers. Any distraction from bumping the same Hulk out of range for the umpteenth time is a bonus. Well, almost any: Some of the smack on local has been just sad.
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.05.13 09:45:00 - [127] our KB puls from the API for accurate kill and losses , no manual posting required ... it keeps the figures factual instead of having losses missiong here and there if you buy eve in a box from my game store i will give you isk (GAME , parkgate rotherham)
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.05.13 09:46:00 - [128] Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 13/05/2009 08:00:14 Whilst the cats play. The mice will err, mine veld! your screen layout is terrible :P if you buy eve in a box from my game store i will give you isk (GAME , parkgate rotherham)
Fifinella Caldari Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.13 09:58:00 - [129] Originally by: Armoured C our KB puls from the API for accurate kill and losses , no manual posting required ... it keeps the figures factual instead of having losses missing here and there Cleverly implying there are losses missing on our KB. As said before (several times by now), please let us know which ones those are, and we'll add them in a jiffy, in addition to reprimanding the people who've failed to post their losses. And not even KBs that use API usually include pure NPCs losses. Revel in your uniqueness.
StarFoox Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.05.13 10:34:00 - [130] Fifi, you're not really trying to prevent me from mining in my apoc. You tried to bump me once with your cerberus and you left again, hopping from belt to belt. Did the contract end or are you just lazy?
Fifinella Caldari Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.13 10:38:00 - [131] Originally by: StarFoox Fifi, you're not really trying to prevent me from mining in my apoc. You tried to bump me once with your cerberus and you left again, hopping from belt to belt. Did the contract end or are you just lazy? You're not really mining in your apoc. 2 mining lasers? I would've thought a 2003 character could maybe use more effective mining methods. Seems more like you're trying to bait people trying to prevent people from mini... waaait a minute, I see what you did there! I was curious to see how far a single bump from a Cerb would push an Apoc, so I tested it. Wasn't really expecting you to go flying 50km off the belt, but tbh, the result was better than I expected. At least the Apoc moved.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.13 11:31:00 - [132] Originally by: Fifinella If I need the info, I'll scan you down again. That was moar for the lurkers who might want to jump in on the fun and less for you. Originally by: Fifinella I wasn't aware you were so well versed with our contract as to be able to judge whether we're fulfilling it or not. Please feel free to inform our customer about our breach of contract at your earliest opportunity. KK, here it is from your own corpmate from the first page. Originally by: Jimer Lins 4. Our actions are limited to specifically interdicting mining operations in Hedion. Anyone who wishes to mine may do so elsewhere. If you attempt to mine in Hedion, we will disrupt you. See Exhibit A. Originally by: Fifinella This tells a lot more about you than us, to be honest. If you _really_ think we'll fall for something as silly as that, why haven't you given it a try? Why is it, btw, that us on a contract are wasting our time (and why do you take such a huge interest in it anyway?), while you _claim_ to be doing all sorts of cool stuff with your alts while using just one account to mess with us, and then it turns out you're actually giving us _all_ your attention? Aren't _you_ just wasting time? So when you said you're doing cool stuff with your accounts while annoying us with one, you were lying? Well quess what? When I said I'm doing other stuff than just staring at (mostly) empty belts? I wasn't lying. And please don't claim to be "stalking a prey in lowsec" while juggling a cloaked hauler in an asteroid belt to reach a moving can, a "mining" ship, and the "well-hidden Orca" (none of which I believe for a second, incidentally, but let's indulge you for a moment here) at the same time. I'm a retired man who has lots of free time and Eve is the perfect filler for it. Since I was a wee lad I remeber Buck Rodgers and reading H.G. Wells then on to Star Trek when I had grown and on to all the great sci-fi since then. I thought I had died and gone to heaven when I discovered Eve and it has been a huge occupier of my days as it keeps my mind flexible and lets me socialize with people from across the entire world who all share my love of spacehips and pew pew with a generous helping of skullduggery along the way. Its like an elaborate hobby that always has something new to do or a challenging change of pace by doing some other career or role. To sum it up I guess I simply love this game and the vision the creaters have for it. Exhibit A Exhibit B Originally by: Fifinella It's interesting to note how several posts in this thread are desperately trying to get more people to come to Hedion to annoy us. "They all fly faction cruisers and are really easy to trap, come gank them" is new, but the best laughs I'm getting are from all the "OMG it's full of ore!"-messages. As an ex-miner, I can say that what Hedion has is called gravel, not asteroids, yet people try to make it sound like the lost mines of Solomon. I'm actually grateful for that, since more targets (bumpaple or otherwise) means less boredom. I'm not really sure how to reply to that tbh. Originally by: Fifinella And Tyrantus, you got it wrong way up in your earlier post: I wasn't saying your attempts at amusing, I mean annoying us are what's causing us grief. On the contrary. An empty system would be the worst thing, that would really feel like we were the griefed ones, not the griefers. Any distraction from bumping the same Hulk out of range for the umpteenth time is a bonus. Well, almost any: Some of the smack on local has been just sad. So why are you bashing me for trying to get people to come to Hedion to have a bit of fun? Dude pick something and stick with it ffs. Tank your cruisers and laugh as some nub in a destroyer tries to pop you or some other silliness. Be creative. Originally by: Achar Losa i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
000Hunter000 Gallente Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2009.05.13 11:31:00 - [133] Explain why i would want to mine in a 1.0 system? There are plenty other systems with better ore that can be mined... unless ur Cribba i guess _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Fifinella Caldari Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.13 16:32:00 - [134] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Jimer Lins 4. Our actions are limited to specifically interdicting mining operations in Hedion. Anyone who wishes to mine may do so elsewhere. If you attempt to mine in Hedion, we will disrupt you. See Exhibit A. And as you can see, we succeeded admirably in your case: An Orca, a Blockade Runner, and a single non-bonus giving cruiser mining with 3 T1 mining lasers? Instead of, say, 2 (or 3 or 4, since you claim to have 5 accounts) Hulks and the Orca? Consider your mining operation seriously disrupted, dude. As a bonus, we now know 4 of your 5 characters by name. Quote: So why are you bashing me for trying to get people to come to Hedion to have a bit of fun? Dude pick something and stick with it ffs. Tank your cruisers and laugh as some nub in a destroyer tries to pop you or some other silliness. Be creative. I'm not bashing you for trying to get people to come to Hedion, I'm bashing you for giving them false hope. They're welcome to come over, and if they're a little disappointed about what they'll find, we can provide them with the names of your alts to vent their disappointment on in all the creative ways suggested in this and the other thread you started on the subject.
Kern Hotha	Posted - 2009.05.13 20:18:00 - [135] Miners are subhuman slugs. They should be made to wallow in pits filled with mud and *****. Just kidding. Good work on annoying these pests, Noir.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.13 23:26:00 - [136] Originally by: Fifinella I'm not bashing you for trying to get people to come to Hedion, I'm bashing you for giving them false hope. They're welcome to come over, and if they're a little disappointed about what they'll find, we can provide them with the names of your alts to vent their disappointment on in all the creative ways suggested in this and the other thread you started on the subject. False hope of what? Having a bit of fun at your exspense? Roffles.. I challenge you to completely vacate the system and see if a proper hulk mining squad with orca in tow shows up. It Won't as the only people who have ever mined in that system are newbs and the few total empire hugging carebear miners in solo barges with possibly a hauler on a second account in tow. Your corp stated that all mining ops were to be disrupted and looky looky it was not. Not even close really compared to the normal Hedion mining traffic. You failed your contract as it was unenforcable anyways. Sure you can reduce the normal mining a bit but you can't stop it. As you have seen when people are denied something they go to great lengths to overcome the obstical even if all it gets them is the satisfaction of a well countered foe. As far as my alts. LOL mate those are known to everyone who matters as its my normal low sec/0.0 exploration and pew pew crew so by all means pour some isk into the locator agents and come a callin. I'll make sure to give you a warm welcome along with no doubt the normal locals wanting a piece too. As far as flushing out my alts and spreading names I'll say you have 4 names out of 15. So in closing I'm so afraid now that my true mains will be discovered that I think I'll biomass them all and start afresh. OMG I just realised I have lost eve so how will I survive this horrible horrible 'defeat'.. Not. Originally by: Achar Losa i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
Allaera Caldari Kisogo research group	Posted - 2009.05.13 23:57:00 - [137] Originally by: Hurtado Soneka Noir are completely lame, they dont post their losses. EEEEEH!!!! WRONG, WRONG, AND......oh yeah, WRONG!! Originally by: Delphi Grendalus Noir. sounds pretty damn awesome. Oh, that they are btw, Hi Alek, Zera, Danny, Jimer and all the crew new and old... and gratz to you, Taram, for making it into Clear Skies 2, onya mate (sorry for the derail, as you were)
Taram Caldar Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.14 00:33:00 - [138] Originally by: Allaera Originally by: Hurtado Soneka Noir are completely lame, they dont post their losses. EEEEEH!!!! WRONG, WRONG, AND......oh yeah, WRONG!! Originally by: Delphi Grendalus Noir. sounds pretty damn awesome. Oh, that they are btw, Hi Alek, Zera, Danny, Jimer and all the crew new and old... and gratz to you, Taram, for making it into Clear Skies 2, onya mate (sorry for the derail, as you were) LOL! Thanks Allaera! I was pretty surprised when the guys pointed my pic in the vid out to me.
Allaera Caldari Kisogo research group	Posted - 2009.05.14 00:49:00 - [139] Edited by: Allaera on 14/05/2009 00:50:11 LOL no doubt. Taram Caldar: Movie star.....who'd have thought Anyway, luck with the current job. No doubt you and the crew are having a ball. edit: can't have your name spelled wrong
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.14 01:02:00 - [140] Originally by: Allaera Edited by: Allaera on 14/05/2009 00:50:11 LOL no doubt. Taram Caldar: Movie star.....who'd have thought Anyway, luck with the current job. No doubt you and the crew are having a ball. edit: can't have your name spelled wrong o/ Alleara! Good to see you. Corp killboard-How to Kill Logoffskis
Allaera Caldari Kisogo research group	Posted - 2009.05.14 01:11:00 - [141] Hey Jimer!! \o How's it going? Just swung by Hedion, I swear I heard crickets haha
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.14 01:42:00 - [142] If you are new to the forum game the previous few posts are what we call a defensive huddle. Originally by: Achar Losa i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
Allaera Caldari Kisogo research group	Posted - 2009.05.14 01:48:00 - [143] Nah, just saying hi to few former corpies I haven't spoken to in a while
Fifinella Caldari Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.14 18:50:00 - [144] Originally by: Zeba Ayup you shure did stop me from filling up my orcas cargo bay with your ore indeed. What was I thinking?! I waz obviously pwnzored. ]/quote] Sheesh, I knew this was going to be tough to explain to you, so I'll try typing slower: Of course you filled up your Orca, but consider (hard) this: Did the cargo hold of your Orca fill up noticeably FASTER or SLOWER than it does when you use one or more Hulks to mine, instead of just a single non-mining ship with named T1 mining drills? Calculate how much ore you could mine per hour with, say, 3 Hulks and an Orca in the belt, with a hauler moving the ore from the Orca to station. Now calculate how much ore you actually mined in an hour using a single Blackbird with 3 named T1 lasers. The difference in those two figures is what we call "disruption". Quote: I challenge you to completely vacate the system and see if a proper hulk mining squad with orca in tow shows up. Please contact Alekseyev Karrde in game if you wish to negotiate hiring us. Quote: LOL mate those are known to everyone who matters as its my normal low sec/0.0 exploration and pew pew crew so by all means pour some isk into the locator agents and come a callin. I'll make sure to give you a warm welcome along with no doubt the normal locals wanting a piece too. Twisted Evil As far as flushing out my alts and spreading names I'll say you have 4 names out of 15. So in closing I'm so afraid now that my true mains will be discovered that I think I'll biomass them all and start afresh. OMG I just realised I have lost eve so how will I survive this horrible horrible 'defeat'.. Shocked The fact that I know 4 of your alts was, how did it go, "That was moar for the lurkers who might want to jump in on the fun and less for you." I have no intention to "come calling" unless, of course, I get paid for it. As to trying to scare me with 0.0/lowsec, well, it's not quite as scary as you seem to think it is. I've been there, and wasn't very scared at all. Only a little. Besides, what would I need locator agents for? See you on Hedion local!
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.15 03:59:00 - [145] Originally by: Fifinella Sheesh, I knew this was going to be tough to explain to you, so I'll try typing slower: Of course you filled up your Orca, but consider (hard) this: Did the cargo hold of your Orca fill up noticeably FASTER or SLOWER than it does when you use one or more Hulks to mine, instead of just a single non-mining ship with named T1 mining drills? Calculate how much ore you could mine per hour with, say, 3 Hulks and an Orca in the belt, with a hauler moving the ore from the Orca to station. Now calculate how much ore you actually mined in an hour using a single Blackbird with 3 named T1 lasers. The difference in those two figures is what we call "disruption". Well the problem we have here with your comparison is that it is based on the assumption that the system to mine is worth the effort of using a full blown hulk and orca squad in the first place. It is not. Its a newb system with just enough ore to make mining with low sp characters or part time players who are looking to safely justify the barges they trained up for to logon and mine for a bit. So in effect my mining op and yield was typical of what would normaly be taken out by a small group as it could have been just as easily done with an osprey and cloaked indy both of which are easily available to a new player. My high sp was irrelevant as were the ships I used because your stated goal was to disrupt normal mining operations. You did not and currently are not. See attached exhibits c, d and e. Originally by: Fif Originally by: Zeba I challenge you to completely vacate the system and see if a proper hulk mining squad with orca in tow shows up. Please contact Alekseyev Karrde in game if you wish to negotiate hiring us. Looks like it wasn't needed after all. See attached exhibits c, d and e. Exhibit C Exhibit D Exhibit E Last pic was just a few minutes ago. So where are you Noir. Dispatch called and is getting worried. Quote: The fact that I know 4 of your alts was, how did it go, "That was moar for the lurkers who might want to jump in on the fun and less for you." I have no intention to "come calling" unless, of course, I get paid for it. As to trying to scare me with 0.0/lowsec, well, it's not quite as scary as you seem to think it is. I've been there, and wasn't very scared at all. Only a little. Besides, what would I need locator agents for? See you on Hedion local! Jeepers you pull moar 180's than a Starsky and Hutch episode. I Don't Care Who Knows And Never Have. Also who in thier right mind would be afraid of anything in a game. That you are even if it is a little bit is almoast too much for an olde man to take. I mean seriously I could blow a lower disk I'm laughing so hard. Originally by: Achar Losa i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
Fifinella Caldari Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.15 06:10:00 - [146] Edited by: Fifinella on 15/05/2009 06:11:04 Edited by: Fifinella on 15/05/2009 06:10:41 Originally by: Zeba Last pic was just a few minutes ago. So where are you Noir. Dispatch called and is getting worried. Well see, our contract in Hedion already ended 2 days ago, I've just been stringing you along to see how long I can keep you there after we've left. Quote: Also who in thier right mind would be afraid of anything in a game? I don't know. You just seemed to imply in your post that I should be somehow afraid of you and the locals who might want "a piece of me". Quote: That you are even if it is a little bit is almoast too much for an olde man to take. I mean seriously I could blow a lower disk I'm laughing so hard. Irony for you is just something your doctor told to you to get more of, isn't it?
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.15 06:36:00 - [147] Edited by: Zeba on 15/05/2009 06:43:23 Originally by: Fifinella Originally by: Zeba Last pic was just a few minutes ago. So where are you Noir. Dispatch called and is getting worried. Well see, our contract in Hedion already ended 2 days ago, I've just been stringing you along to see how long I can keep you there after we've left. My how convienient that it ends right on the day I started disrupting your recruiting promoti.. errr contract in Hedion. So this whole thread has been a joke? Whodathunkit! Personally since you opened the whole accusation thing about me making stuff up, something that I promptly trumped with proof each and every time I might add, all we have to go on with your claims of the contracts timetable and even its existance are vauge explantions of mysterious employers with even moar mysterious goals. Bullshait.. It was a stunt to go along with your thread in crime and punishment and a recruitment promotional event to drum up attention and pull some new blood out of the woodwork. But eh you will just come back and say no its incorrect we had a legit cont.. blah. Originally by: Fifi Originally by: Zeba Also who in thier right mind would be afraid of anything in a game? I don't know. You just seemed to imply in your post that I should be somehow afraid of you and the locals who might want "a piece of me". You were the one who talked about spreading my alts names to your corp and others to harrass or hunt me. So drop on by the Taff circle whomever it may concern with a gang then start some trouble and see how long you last. The locals are not friendly and just one of the allied corps in the area outnumber Noir. at least 2 to 1 with the others closer to 4 to 1. Poke your corp into that nest and its gonna get whacked like a pimp whacks his trick. Originally by: Fifi Originally by: Zeba That you are even if it is a little bit is almoast too much for an olde man to take. I mean seriously I could blow a lower disk I'm laughing so hard. Irony for you is just something your doctor told to you to get more of, isn't it? What laughter? Like anything even too much laughter can be bad for you and I think that I and the vast silent majority, if the nearly 10,000 views are any indication, will agree that it has been given out in overdoase quantitys here. Originally by: Fifinella As to trying to scare me with 0.0/lowsec, well,..... I've been there, and wasn't very scared at all. Only a little.
Fifinella Caldari Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.15 06:53:00 - [148] Originally by: Zeba My how convienient that it ends right on the day I started disrupting your recruiting promoti.. errr contract in Hedion. So this whole thread has been a joke? No, only most of it. Corporation-button -> wars -> other wars -> type in "Noir." and look how many wars we currently have active. You know why there aren't any? Because the contract is over. Quote: Drop on by the Taff circle with a gang then start some trouble and see how long you last. The locals are not friendly and just one of the allied corps in the area outnumber your entire corp at least 2 to 1 with the others closer to 4 to 1. Poke your corp into that nest and its gonna get whacked like a pimp whacks his trick. I'm not sure you understand the nature of mercenaries, but we'll drop by when we paid to do so, not before. It also seems you don't understand some very basic truths about lowsec/0.0 combat: If we were to bring a gang into the area, I doubt a corp that on paper outnumbers us 4 to 1 would actually outnumber us _during our op_ by that much: They'd be unprepared and scattered, while we would be in a fleet working in unison. Also, pure numbers rarely mean a thing: Tyrantus > I see I was wrong to expect Noir.'s commitment to at least match our own. Alekseyev Karrde > Doesn't it? [points to Tyrantus' alt] Alekseyev Karrde> You there, what is your profession? Zeba > I am a miner... sir. Alekseyev Karrde > [points to another alt] And you, carebear, what is your profession? Mission runner > Mission***, sir. Alekseyev Karrde > Mission*. [turns to a third alt] Alekseyev Karrde > You? Industrialist > Industrialist. Alekseyev Karrde > [turns back shouting] Noir.! What is your profession? Noir. > HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH! Alekseyev Karrde > [turning to Tyrantus] You see, old friend? I brought more PvPers than you did. Quote:** What laughter? Like anything even too much laughter can be bad for you and I think that I and the vast silent majority if the nearly 10,000 views are any indication that it has been given out in overdoase quantitys here. Lurkers support me in email?
Southern Suzy Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.05.15 06:53:00 - [149] LOLZZZZZZZ Noir. been failing against 0.0 pvp alliances a lot so now they gonna go and bug carebears. Nice step up really at least you have some chances now. I CALL ALL THE BATTLEHULKS TO GO THERE! So wait this is the end of my post allready? I'm not in multiple alliances to spy! I'm in them so I'll always be on the winning team
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.15 07:32:00 - [150] Originally by: Fifinella Originally by: Zeba My how convienient that it ends right on the day I started disrupting your recruiting promoti.. errr contract in Hedion. So this whole thread has been a joke? No, only most of it. Corporation-button -> wars -> other wars -> type in "Noir." and look how many wars we currently have active. You know why there aren't any? Because the contract is over. Yeah so you say. But you also have 68 pilots in your corp and could easily have rotated a couple in and out to keep your mercs happy with some pew pew as a suprisingly determined foe chipped away at thier resolve in Hedion. Then you could have kept the recruit op open and not had to have ditched the 'contract' when they had no moar fun and refused to go. Originally by: Fifi Originally by: Zeba Drop on by the Taff circle with a gang then start some trouble and see how long you last. The locals are not friendly and just one of the allied corps in the area outnumber your entire corp at least 2 to 1 with the others closer to 4 to 1. Poke your corp into that nest and its gonna get whacked like a pimp whacks his trick. I'm not sure you understand the nature of mercenaries, but we'll drop by when we paid to do so, not before. It also seems you don't understand some very basic truths about lowsec/0.0 combat: If we were to bring a gang into the area, I doubt a corp that on paper outnumbers us 4 to 1 would actually outnumber us _during our op_ by that much: They'd be unprepared and scattered, while we would be in a fleet working in unison. Heheh. Please mate I've have been in the Taff circle for weeks now and have seen some action that would make 0.0 fights look small. These corps are nearly all pvp and are sitting on some nice moons that tend to make them buzz around in capitol fleets with shoals of bs, T2 cruisers of all make and flocks of tacklers. The only reason they let me alone(well moastly :P) is becuase I go after the ratters looking to cash in on the numerous bs spawns and better than 0.0 faction drops. Hell I have most of a domination pos setup guns and all just off faction and exploration drops that other people had first. Its a truely fantastic system but its a dangerous place at best so really if you ever get a contract offer to go pos bash one of those moons just say no or you will lose your arse. This is no shiat mate I mean it stay away from the Taff circle is you want to keep your kill to death ratio high. And none of this has a thing to do with me as I would simply be another hunter after your arse. Plz no moar 300 references mate. You do know the meaning of passe' yes? Now as far as my pvp prowness just look up Tyrantus killmails since he is the only alt that I was forced to post killmails on in any signigicant number. Now do the kill death ration thing with the true number of losses listed an noone seems to share my lack of killmail ***ing with the fact the listed kills only represent a tiny fraction of how many kills I actually have. So go back you your merc corp and toss about some newbs in barges or sit at a pos and fap to furry pron as a lazy corp hires you out to do the boring crappy stuff noone else will do. Have fun with that career choice mate. Originally by:** Zeba What laughter? Like anything even too much laughter can be bad for you and I think that I and the vast silent majority if the nearly 10,000 views are any indication that it has been given out in overdoase quantitys here. Lurkers support me in email? Wat? email? Wat? Originally by: Fifinella As to trying to scare me with 0.0/lowsec, well,..... I've been there, and wasn't very scared at all. Only a little.
Fifinella Caldari Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.15 07:45:00 - [151] Originally by: Zeba a suprisingly determined foe chipped away at thier resolve in Hedion. Then you could have kept the recruit op open and not had to have ditched the 'contract' when they had no moar fun and refused to go. Ditched a contract? Ditching a contract is something mercs try to avoid, it's not good for business. You thought we cancelled a contract on your account? Didn't happen. Originally by: Zeba Now as far as my pvp prowness just look up Tyrantus killmails Where? All I could find was a handful of kills on Battleclinic and another handful on the Amarr Militia killboard. Does Viziam have a killboard somewhere? Originally by: Zeba Wat? email? Wat? It's from the Olden Days, when in newsgroups the silent majority was always assumed to be on the side of whoever decided they're on the side of.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.15 08:08:00 - [152] heh got a live one here I see. Loosing focus of the screen yet? Fingers starting to cramp? Is that dratted vein starting to pulse out again? Originally by: Fifinella Originally by: Zeba a suprisingly determined foe chipped away at thier resolve in Hedion. Then you could have kept the recruit op open and not had to have ditched the 'contract' when they had no moar fun and refused to go. Ditched a contract? Ditching a contract is something mercs try to avoid, it's not good for business. You thought we cancelled a contract on your account? Didn't happen. Again, so you say but as yet in this entire thread have you given us any proof of your words past the same ole reporters plea of: I can't give out my sources its against the reporter ethics!! You will just have to take my word that Mrs Name Withheld saw a pink cow on the tv instead of the president during his address to the nation as she had a very convincing story! We believe you.. Originally by: FiFi Originally by: Zeba Now as far as my pvp prowness just look up Tyrantus killmails Where? All I could find was a handful of kills on Battleclinic and another handful on the Amarr Militia killboard. Does Viziam have a killboard somewhere? Dunno as I don't normally post killmails if you had bothered to read the rest of the sentence you didn't quote. That was simply a bonafied to dispel any belief in that silly 300 thingy you snaked into the thread. Like I said the listed kills are but a small fraction of the total so sorry mate I'm not one of the mercenary potters with a leather thong and stabby stick. Originally by: FiFi Originally by: Zeba Wat? email? Wat? It's from the Olden Days, when in newsgroups the silent majority was always assumed to be on the side of whoever decided they're on the side of. Well in the newen days when threads get this many views with just a couple of people exchanging opinions it means that they are enjoying the hell out of it for some reason. I'm sure we all have our ideas about what it is but I'm fairly certain after much evemails and ingame chat about this thread its not quite what you are thinking. Originally by: Fifinella As to trying to scare me with 0.0/lowsec, well,..... I've been there, and wasn't very scared at all. Only a little.
Fifinella Caldari Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.15 08:12:00 - [153] Originally by: Zeba Again, so you say but as yet in this entire thread have you given us any proof of your words past the same ole reporters plea of: I can't give out my sources its against the reporter ethics!! You will just have to take my word that Mrs Name Withheld saw a pink cow on the tv instead of the president during his address to the nation as she had a very convincing story! We believe you.. Originally by: Zeba Dunno as I don't normally post killmails if you had bothered to read the rest of the sentence you didn't quote. That was simply a bonafied to dispel any belief in that silly 300 thingy you snaked into the thread. Like I said the listed kills are but a small fraction of the total... I'll just let those two quotes sit next to each other, they complement each other so nicely, don't you think?
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.15 08:14:00 - [154] Yes indeed. The truth is self evident to me. Originally by: Fifinella As to trying to scare me with 0.0/lowsec, well,..... I've been there, and wasn't very scared at all. Only a little.
Celdur Reed	Posted - 2009.05.15 14:25:00 - [155] Wouldn't it make more sense for you guys to all get into exhumers and wipe out the belts? It seems like it would be a lot faster, make you money in the process, and achieve what you're trying to do much of efficiently, rather then trying to "bump" everyone, being unsuccessful 90% of the time.
Renius Minmatar Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.15 14:34:00 - [156] And sleep................... KILLBOARD NOIR. INFO
Alekseyev Karrde Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.19 17:52:00 - [157] Originally by: Zeba Self important smacktrolling Who are you again? /thread --- Zombie Apocalypse Guitar-Wielding Superteam
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.19 18:07:00 - [158] Someone who easily broke your 'blockade' with nothing more than simple determination along with all the other players doing the same thing that I didn't mention? I love how this thread steadily went from "We Deny ALL mining operations in Hedion" to "Oh your op doesn't count as it didn't reach optimum yield for yor skill level" to "Well unless you are in an easily bumped or suicidable hulk you don't count as a miner.. Heh, yeah that it, thats the ticket, only Hulks yeah.." after you couldn't stop the normal newb and not so newb miners from mining. So why did you feel it important to dig up this thread? Worried about your rep much and felt the need to bring an 'official' remark to it? Please God Bless me with even moar oppourtunities to make you guys look stupid. Keep on Bumpin' Originally by: Fifinella As to trying to scare me with 0.0/lowsec, well,..... I've been there, and wasn't very scared at all. Only a little.
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2009.05.19 18:38:00 - [159] lol, what a waste of time, bumping miner Real "fearsome" these Noir guys
Ryhss Caldari P'n'L Industries	Posted - 2009.05.19 19:02:00 - [160] Originally by: Sanre Echei The entire game is PvP, mining, trading, scamming etc are just as much about beating the other guy as spaceships going shooty. Deal. QFT. Welcome to Eve................
Benzaiten Reverse Caldari Shokei	Posted - 2009.05.19 19:11:00 - [161] Bah, just bring 100 miners in hulk and belt is mined out in half hour while NOIR cant do s**t, max they could do is pop 1 hulk and loose all involved ships with concord protecting belt and instapoping any agressor for long enough to mine every single mineral in belt.

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