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Shaina Marru
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.10 05:20:00 -
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I've lost 20mill with of t2 drones. These sob's lock on and kill them with in 2 seconds of launching and I have decent drone skills. As my primary dps method why do i have to get effed in wormhole space. I can hardly kill anything because my ammo gets shot too hell before it gets to the ships there targeting.
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ISpam
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2009.05.10 05:57:00 -
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Because wormhole rats arent completely ******ed like the ai of normal rats. If someone was shooting at you, you would attempt to make them stop yes? If you have nothing to do dps with, you have been stopped.
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.05.10 07:29:00 -
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You're doing it wrong. My Piligrim does just fine in w-space, and drones are my only direct source of damage. You just have to take good care of your drones and be ready to pull them in quickly.
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Thee Macgyver
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Posted - 2009.05.10 08:35:00 -
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Its called aggro Mechanics something that the NPC's didn't have before. They hate Logistics ships/ewar more than your drones
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.10 11:09:00 -
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I haven't lost any drones yet either, although I've come out of a WH with most of my drones in low armour/high structure - and I've only got Drone Durability 3.
If you keep your eye on nthe ball and recall them as soon as they get significant aggro then it's not so bad. It's more annoying than regular missions where you can just aggro the whole room and never have to worry about drone aggro, but tbh missions should never have been that easy to begin with.
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King Rothgar
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.05.10 11:38:00 -
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I have lost some drones in w-space but not that many. Maybe 1 every 2-3 sites and even then it's mostly hobgoblins. For primary damage with drones you should be using sentries and scooping at first sign of them being shot at. And yes, sleepers hate EW and remote reps more than drones. This is exploitable as you can RR a gang mate and that will cause you to have complete aggro all the time or it will split with your gang mate if he's returning the favor. Some of my buddies and I use RR domi's for sleeper sites, once the cap/RR chain is started, they never switch off the domi's even if other ships and drones are doing all the actual damage. It is possible you could RR a sentry drone and cause your ship to receive permanent aggro, I haven't tried it but I suspect it would work.
To the pilgrim pilot: BTW, how exactly did you take a pilgrim into w-space and not get alpha'd by a 3x BS spawn? I guess you could do some really easy sites with it that could be done by BC's but most seem impossible to me. I'm very curious if you can do the higher level sites with it and if so, how?
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Sader Rykane
Amarr
Midnight Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.10 13:16:00 -
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Me and a friend of mine deliberatly got "lost" in wormhole space in our harbingers two days ago, and spent the days scanning around exploring and fighting sleepers. We lost drones, and we loved it.
I'm sorry but I love sleeper AI, and I cannot bear to go back to the "stupid" AI we fight in missions. The high damage sleepers and target switching the sleepers do make Eve's pve a hell of a lot more fun then the dumb **** we normally play with.
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Shaina Marru
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.10 13:23:00 -
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Well I do have to recall my drones frequently, usually 1 at a time then release another. But they are target immediatley on launch, theres not even a delay before the drones move to the target and there being fired on. Usually takes about 5-6 hits from the white laser mofo's and POP POP POP my drones die 1 by 1. Tried everything last night and went from 27 drones to 3 before i returned from 1 0.0 site. When the ships sit at 46km my drones would get 1/4 of the way and one would alreay be dead.
I can try the ewar tactic and see what happens, as for sentry drones they don't even hit cruisers/friggates so they are pointless against anything but battleships.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.05.10 16:16:00 -
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 Originally by: King Rothgar
I have lost some drones in w-space but not that many. Maybe 1 every 2-3 sites and even then it's mostly hobgoblins. For primary damage with drones you should be using sentries and scooping at first sign of them being shot at. And yes, sleepers hate EW and remote reps more than drones. This is exploitable as you can RR a gang mate and that will cause you to have complete aggro all the time or it will split with your gang mate if he's returning the favor. Some of my buddies and I use RR domi's for sleeper sites, once the cap/RR chain is started, they never switch off the domi's even if other ships and drones are doing all the actual damage. It is possible you could RR a sentry drone and cause your ship to receive permanent aggro, I haven't tried it but I suspect it would work.
This is not entirely correct. If you have nothing but drones as dps, they *will* target your drones, no matter how much rr/cap/ew you have going. This from class 5 and 6.
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Shaina Marru
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.10 16:48:00 -
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Well it needs to be reworked because if I can't use drones in wormhole space I might as well roll caldari and training basic missles because It would cost me less money.
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Fox Ogmo
Net 7
The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2009.05.11 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Shaina Marru
I've lost 20mill with of t2 drones. These sob's lock on and kill them with in 2 seconds of launching and I have decent drone skills. As my primary dps method why do i have to get effed in wormhole space. I can hardly kill anything because my ammo gets shot too hell before it gets to the ships there targeting.
Sorry to disappoint but the caldari mission boats really don't cut in in wspace above class 2 either. We put all our caldari players in scorps as its the best role they can perform.
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Irdia Freelancer
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Posted - 2009.05.11 03:01:00 -
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I find my Ishtar does fine with drones against class 1,2,3's.
I now have a remote rep on the ishtar and what damage I get I repair. Sentry drones can shoot the stuffing out of more distant sleepers and still pull them in with time to spare. You can't afk kill sleepers with them, but they still work well. It comes down to timing. If you wait till agro against a ship then you have a window of opporunity till your drones get targeted. This is basically enough time to have your drones target a close sleeper frigate, kill it, all before your drones get too much agro and die. When your drones get targeted, pull the targeted one back in. Once the frigates cleaned up, your sentry drones now can hit the cruisers and battleships easy. If the frigates more distant - use your sentry drones on them over frigates.
Over 150 mil of loot/salv and my T2 drone losses - none. I did lose one T1 sentry drone while getting a fresh can of coke from the fridge - basically not watching.
If your having trouble, use T1 drones till you get a handle on it.
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Mira O'karr
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.11 10:47:00 -
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Edited by: Mira O''karr on 11/05/2009 10:48:17
lesson learned for drone use.
have some ewar on your ishtar, either tracking dispruter or ECM. its not about the effect those modules have on the rats rather that they will switch aggro to your ship pretty hard.
otherwise what will happen is. launch drones (eg warriors) and have them insta'ed before they even get a shot off.
or better yet. bring a drake. sad but true. drone micromanagement is frustrating and means kill rats is extremely slow.
your ship needs to either a) do considerable dps so rats stay on you instead of drones or b) dish out ewar.
logistics alone are not enough to keep reliable aggro to use drones.
odd enough the best rank 3 wormhole combo that i have found is drake + scimitar.
the scminitar is an excellent tank. just fit it with LSB + SBA + invuls + ab, 2 RST in highs all cap flux in lows. your super small sig will do the rest.
tanks even explo sites in rank 3 holes if the drake loses aggro. just set it to orbit at 20km of the drake and run those RST until you get aggro, then switch to local LSB.
drones are not worth bothering with. sad but yea ... there will be a lot of people telling you l2p, its fine. imho /effort when i can just as easy take a t1 drake and get same or better results.
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.11 12:29:00 -
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Fair points Mira, but you can also say "why bother with transversal, optimal ranges, etc - just use a CNR/Golem!" when it comes to missioning. It may be accurate, but it's boring as s**t.
Whilst drones do get a rough deal in wormholes, moreso than they perhaps deserve, it is possible to manage them effectively (assuming you're not sending them many kilometres away to fight).
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Mira O'karr
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.11 13:51:00 -
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yes of course, i m not saying they are impossible to use. just very tricky.
with traversal for example you can slap on a web or tc or even drop the guns to better tracking ones.
drones are definately the hard way and to do it well is a reward of its own but in terms of efficiency they can not compare. keep in mind you are getting double punishment because getting into the optimal use range (which is basically on top of the rats if you are not using sentries) is very hard with the double/triple webbing that is going on.
it is far from impossible, just very much harder and complicated than guns or missles.
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Lightningshade
Caldari
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.05.11 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Shaina Marru
I've lost 20mill with of t2 drones. These sob's lock on and kill them with in 2 seconds of launching and I have decent drone skills. As my primary dps method why do i have to get effed in wormhole space. I can hardly kill anything because my ammo gets shot too hell before it gets to the ships there targeting.
Lol - 20m of t2 drones. Are you the kid that touches the electric fence, jumps into the air then continues to touch it for the next 40 mins as each time you expect a didferent outcome?
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Fennicus
Amarr
United Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2009.05.11 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: King Rothgar
To the pilgrim pilot: BTW, how exactly did you take a pilgrim into w-space and not get alpha'd by a 3x BS spawn? I guess you could do some really easy sites with it that could be done by BC's but most seem impossible to me. I'm very curious if you can do the higher level sites with it and if so, how?
No, you can't do class 3+ solo in a Pilgrim. You can quite easily fit a 1600mm plate onto one so you're not likely to get insta-popped, but the DPS will be well over what you can repair on your own.
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Erbo Evans
Gallente
Ralpha Dogs Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.11 21:47:00 -
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You know, when we went up against the Sleepers, we used T2 Hammerheads, and, quite frankly, we didn't lose nearly as many as we did on a heavy Sansha site in K-space. Selena and I, I think, lost 1 or 2 each...at least, until I lost my whole ship, but that's another matter. I'm beginning to think the whole "Sleepers hate drones" meme is at least somewhat overrated.
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Erbo Evans, Abbot of Ralpha Dogs Inc. (Rho Alpha Delta)
"Libera te tutemet ex inferes"
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Comae Berenices
Minmatar
Pirate Shop
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Posted - 2009.05.11 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Shaina Marru
I've lost 20mill with of t2 drones. These sob's lock on and kill them with in 2 seconds of launching and I have decent drone skills. As my primary dps method why do i have to get effed in wormhole space. I can hardly kill anything because my ammo gets shot too hell before it gets to the ships there targeting.
Players asked something harder, they got, now they whine that you can't solo farm sleepers 
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knowonecanknow
Caldari Kriegsmarine
Fuzzy Logec
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Posted - 2009.05.12 00:54:00 -
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one time my corp was running through a wormhole and we had about 30-40 t2 drones on this BS we were attacking and next thing you know, kaboom smartbomb went off. Damn sleeper cleaned house on the drones in one swoop.
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