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Turake
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Posted - 2009.05.11 13:35:00 -
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Edited by: Turake on 11/05/2009 13:35:15
I have a Caldari character with decent general support skills, but few specific support skills. He was started as an alt and intended to fly inties/AFs and probe in a covert ops but I think I want to get more out of him. Because I don't know which way I want to take him I have tried to not specialize too much and have been primarily training generic skills and drones. For example, high level mechanic, but armor/shield defense skills have not been heavily trained because I'm still debating between Gallente (armor tank) v. Caldari (shield tank) and have just been training general skills until I make up my mind. In the same way I have some skills in missiles (not high) and hybrids (again not high).
My primary character is Amarr BS pilot and is my primary mission runner. For the short term I'll likely continue to primarily use this guy for probing so I'm not in any rush to find a greater direction with him, but I think that I really need to figure out which way I want to go. I would like this guy to be able to pvp (solo and group) and pve somewhat effectively and most of all play differently than my Amarr character. Some of the paths I have thought about:
1. Caldari - The normal Drake/Raven route (I already can fly a drake, but very badly, this is what I'm currently working on but I got concerned about missiles and pvp). My primary concern is missile damage in pvp. I have heard that it can be lacking. Is the drake a decent pvp ship? Should I go for HAM II or heavy missiles II if I go this way? Or should I just jump ahead to the raven?
2. Gallente - I already have frigate 5 in gallente, so I could easily get into a iskur and with my decent drone skills and do ok. The progression would likely be working toward a dominix (drones) or mega (hybrids). I have thought about just pushing for a moros and skipping tier two guns altogether and letting this guy be my capital pilot but I don't think I want to do that just yet...
3. Rokh - I have heard the Rokh can be decent sniper and have always liked the ship, but being caldari shield tank and hybrid guns I'm not sure about the progression or if I should just work on this ship alone. What other good hybrid weapon/shield tanked caldari ships are there? Or should I just train up one of the above paths and cross spec into either hybrids or shield tanks later on?
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Weazy Z
Viper Squad
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Posted - 2009.05.11 18:22:00 -
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Both caldari and gallente are nice (especially for pve), but as pvp goes-- neither are really that strong. The exceptions, of course, being the falcon (and rook now) and the mega. Gallente also have the best interceptors in the game if you want to specialize in small ships.
But if you are serious in wanting to get into pvp, have a look at amarr or minmatar. Zealots, curse/pilgrim, all the bses for amarr are really top tier right now for pvp. Minmatar has the vaga, muninn, rapier, tempest, jaguar, broadsword, and a host of other really nice pvp ships.
On both of my toons, i decided that each would train two races. I picked Caldari/minmatar on one and Gallente/Ammar on the other. The reasoning-- cal/min share strong shield tanks, use of missiles, and very little drone use. Gallente/amarr use mostly armor tanks, both have drone ships, cap intensive, and neut/nos type combat. So each toon has a few ships for pve (ravens/drakes/cerbs and domi/ishtar) and can fly very useful pvp ships (falcons, vagas, rapiers & curse, zealot, etc). So my advice-- pick a pve race with a fotm pvp race.
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Benzaiten Reverse
Caldari
Shokei
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Posted - 2009.05.11 18:47:00 -
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Caldari/Galante is either not bad combination because they share same weapons on some ships (hybrids) rook is now probably best sniping ship and galante ships are not that bad in closer range either.
Its not that hard crosstrain from shield to armor tanking as it would be with Large Guns.
My shield tanking is maxed and with no armor or gun skills it would take me 52 days to max armor tanking and 130+ days to make most of hybrids.
And if you decide later go capital way, galante have probably best carrier and dread.
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Liedros
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Posted - 2009.05.20 13:03:00 -
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I am pretty much new to the game, and I have made two chars untill now (2 accounts). One is Gallente and the other Ammar. I was thinking in crosstraining Gallente/Minmatar and Ammar/Caldari, but based on the feedbacks I've seen in the forums it looks like I got the worst combinations. I dont want to make a new char because I already maxed out most of the learning skills with them, but I can easily change the ships specialization (almost no training on that area untill now).
It seems that the best crosstraining for Amarr is Gallente, but my other char is already Gallent. I would like the two characters to feel different from each other.
Is there a problem if I decide to specialize my Gallente character to Caldari/Minmatar (even though he is 'Born' a Gallente?). Or my original combination is not that bad? |
Benzaiten Reverse
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Shokei
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Posted - 2009.05.20 17:17:00 -
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It all depends on what you want, for pvp is best amar, but gallente is not much behind, when caldari are best in PVE and have few decent PVP ships (rokh,falcon etc).
I have no experience in minmatar, but heard that Tempest is pretty good in pvp, but hard to tank in PVE.
Me personaly is going for caldari+galante crosstraining once i finish with research skills.
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Lukriss
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Posted - 2009.05.20 18:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Liedros
I am pretty much new to the game, and I have made two chars untill now (2 accounts). One is Gallente and the other Ammar. I was thinking in crosstraining Gallente/Minmatar and Ammar/Caldari, but based on the feedbacks I've seen in the forums it looks like I got the worst combinations. I dont want to make a new char because I already maxed out most of the learning skills with them, but I can easily change the ships specialization (almost no training on that area untill now).
It seems that the best crosstraining for Amarr is Gallente, but my other char is already Gallent. I would like the two characters to feel different from each other.
Is there a problem if I decide to specialize my Gallente character to Caldari/Minmatar (even though he is 'Born' a Gallente?). Or my original combination is not that bad?
The thing is, if you go for Amarr/Caldari and Gall/Minmatar the only skills you have in common are that gall and minmatar both use Gunnery support skills and some minmatar skills armor tank... that's about all.
If you went (for instance) Gall/Caldari you'd have the Hybrid weapons as a common skill set, and your other char would have weapon supports and armor tanking.
But it really depends on what you mean by worst, if you by worst means the combo that requires the most totalt sp then yes, and no, there's no problem in making your char Caldari/Minmatar even if he's born gallente.
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Bigpimping
Pimp Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.20 19:06:00 -
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Edited by: Bigpimping on 20/05/2009 19:06:18
Originally by: Weazy Z
I picked Caldari/minmatar on one and Gallente/Ammar on the other.
So many people do this, me included, yet there are still no faction ships for these combos. Someone needs to splerg about this more on the forums until something is done! 
I suppose faction ships were meant to encourage cross training and branching out and so are kinda filling the proposed rolez.
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Liedros
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Posted - 2009.05.20 22:41:00 -
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Thanks for the feedback.
Originally by: Lukriss
But it really depends on what you mean by worst, if you by worst means the combo that requires the most totalt sp
Yeah, I think it would make more sense to get skills that can help both "sets" of ships, but I dont have any idea how are the setups besides frigate ships. I first thought about Amarr/Caldari because I've heard some Amarr ships have missile turrets, and from what I know the Caldari are the "missiles kings". Dont know if this is a silly thought.
So, you think Amarr/Minmatar is a good combo? Isnt Minmatar more shield tanking?
Amarr and Gallent = Armor, Caldari and Minmatar = Shield? Or it doesnt work that way?
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Richard Koslinsky
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Posted - 2009.05.21 10:24:00 -
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Amarr and Gallent = Armor, Caldari and Minmatar = Shield? Or it doesnt work that way?
nope....minmitar uses both shield+armor tanking minmitar use both guns and missles...minmitar is the hardest race to skill (skill wise)
most easy cross train is caldari/Gallente because you dont need to skill the guns for both cause they use the same (hybrids)
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Mashie Saldana
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2009.05.22 08:31:00 -
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Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 22/05/2009 08:31:39
Originally by: Richard Koslinsky
Quote:
Amarr and Gallent = Armor, Caldari and Minmatar = Shield? Or it doesnt work that way?
nope....minmitar uses both shield+armor tanking minmitar use both guns and missles...minmitar is the hardest race to skill (skill wise)
most easy cross train is caldari/Gallente because you dont need to skill the guns for both cause they use the same (hybrids)
Personally I have Amarr/Caldari/Gallente/Minmatar on one char and Amarr/Gallente on the other.
Once you have Minmatar fully skilled it's not that much left to add to get the remaining three races added. The Amarr/Gallente combo is preferred over Caldari/Gallente since you only have to deal with one type of tank and one set of weapon support skills.
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Wannacyber
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Posted - 2009.05.22 12:03:00 -
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What space are you located in? 0.0 or low sec? You do missions and you want a moros. So kinda hard to tell :p
(Im assuming high sec)
Why choose caldari:
1. Train for Raven and you can clear out level 4s really fast in combination with your Amarr main.
2. Drake is a sweet ship for most situations. It exels in both PvP and PvE and you have already trained a little towards it. Go HAM for PvP and HM for PvE I think. Or just train both. For small group PvP Caldari and missiles aint that bad. Even the Raven can be used in small fleets.
3. Training torps give you the option to fly two different stealth bombers. You said you had cov ops trained right?
4. Most caldari T2 branches have both a missile and a hybrid variant. So training for the Rokh also gives you the opportunity to fly many caldari T2 ships like the eagle, vulture(obv skill intentsive) and the harpy. And of course the T1 like the Ferox.
5. If you go the hybrid route you will have an easy time train for gallente. Only difference would be the tanking skills, but training armor tanking to max just takes like 2 weeks :p (Hull and repair systems to 5)
6. Caldari is very different from Amarr. Gallente is pretty similiar. Shield missiles vs guns armor.
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Why not choose Caldari:
1. If you go the missiles route you will not have many cross train opportunities. The most reasonable option would be amarr, but since you already have an amarr char why bother cross train?
2. Shield tanking is kinda skill intensive.
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Why choose gallente:
Not a gallente pilot so dont have a clue. My main is planning to cross train gallente tho. Sitting on 7mill SP in drones, so better use em for something good :p
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Lukriss
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Posted - 2009.05.22 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Wannacyber
2. Shield tanking is kinda skill intensive.
Wait WHAT?!
Shield tanking is 16 ranks worth of skills to lvl 4...
4x2 <Type> Shiled Compensation
1x2 Shield Compensation
1x2 Shield Upgrades
1x4 Tactical Shield Manipulation
What else do you need (which is not considdered mandatory for every combat pilot)
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