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DahMainMan
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Posted - 2009.05.11 15:41:00 -
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ok, im sorry to say, it seems you guys need to add a ingame text blocker for eve.. so you can stop these eve-isk spammers once and for all, im sick of this.. day in and out..and you guys cant stop it.
you wanna kill these guys dead in there tracks?? its easy and simple, first off you change your eula a bit, to state. that by making a trial account/member account and using said account to say, feed isk into sites like these isk site. or spam urls, thay will be up for legal action.
2nd. ingame url blocker for anything ccp deems as a bad site, any isk selling site and so on. block it from the source.
3rd, hosts edit :now this one may be hard as some have host blockers.. however i think this could be the best way..and a surefire way to kill there bizz once and for all. true thay can just make more domains, however as i said in 2.. block it there, then do this way also.
wanna spam my players ehy evil isk sellers?? well how about when yer crappy site just points to localhost. page cant be displayed..thay never get a damn chance. one or two guys on the ccp team could do this no problem and keep said files and what not upto date, new spammer comes on..boom do it..and we all get auto patched and auto blocked via the server..and blam.. no more bs..ccp gets its money. and these china isk famers to go shove it and get a real 3rd world country job.. like making my kids toys or sumthing.
btw don't flame me, any half ass try at any of these would help in a major way. any pick of any two of these options would hurt eveisk bad and thats the point.
I don't think u can stop them 100% however, all the stuff thay would need to do to get past this, would hurt them in the long run, domain reg.. isp cost.. so on. hell u could even block em on the ip lvl.
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MacMasters
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Posted - 2009.05.11 16:01:00 -
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this
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.05.11 16:14:00 -
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Sounds good (I'm not an expert)
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Skulldara
Gallente
PRO Space Hunters
HUNTER'S BROTHERHOOD
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Posted - 2009.05.11 16:30:00 -
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Legal action? really? Who's going to pay for that? I would rather CCP invest that money into the game rather than paying lawyers to sue people. Besides, its not exactly illegal, so I doubt you would get any legal traction. Especially since most ISK spammers are based in China.
In-game url blockers would also be ineffective, all they have to do is use tinyurl.com or some other url rewrite service to mask the site. Or just register another cheap $7 domain and just redirect traffic to their main site. Then there is the logistics and cost of maintaining an ever growing block list.
Really, I don't see what the problem is. I just minimize local whenever I'm in a trade hub and I don't even pay attention to it.
So I would say all your ideas will have no effect and actually be counter productive to the development of the game. So...
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Bibbleibble
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Posted - 2009.05.11 17:54:00 -
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Why not make it so trials can only speak in the n00b help channel (not local/corp) and also, make it so only CCP approved websites can be linked. Problem solved.
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DahMainMan
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Posted - 2009.05.11 17:59:00 -
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so, i say you are one of them, every thing you posted is bull, and on top of that. you sum it all up with, blah local. i just never look at it when im too busy sellin isk for Rl money, thus feckin up the mechanic of eve! Ripping off Ccp, know what would help dude? you movin the hell along, close minded Fool. i already thought up all of that.
and the overhead would be a joke, i alone could do it. just have the server block the ips or urls of anything that spams more than say 400 times ina day..whatever. it could be done..and be very automatic.
Ccp makes MILLIONS A MONTH! thay can spend a lil bit and clean up there game..or knock it off with the 14 day trial accounts.. cause as is.. it seems more eve isk bots are online spaming than actual players.
oh, and the local hosts one would be the best imho, that could be changed on the fly as you play.
OR BETTER YET!! no local chats for 15 day old chars(Unless Regged)..use corp chat! THERE YAH GO!!!
to simply do zero about it, makes me think you sell isk you pice of crap. how many account u have goin? 3-40? macro anyone? u make me sick.
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Mikal Drey
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.11 18:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Bibbleibble
Why not make it so trials can only speak in the n00b help channel (not local/corp) and also, make it so only CCP approved websites can be linked. Problem solved.
imagine how unplayable eve would be if you could only talk in the help channel and not the default npc corp or local.
that would completely kill new players. their first form of communication is local/corp :/
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Skulldara
Gallente
PRO Space Hunters
HUNTER'S BROTHERHOOD
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Posted - 2009.05.11 19:12:00 -
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I offer a little constructive criticism and you call me an ISK seller? I don't know what ISK farmer ****ed in your Cheerios, but you need to chill the frak out...
Listen, you can't block ISK selling URLs without blocking ALL URLs. Filtering on text alone is way too easy to work around and would have zero effect. They will just add extra character to common words, misspelling them in a way that avoids the filter but is still easily decipherable by the human eye. Email spammers have been doing it for years now.
You can't block IPs because people just copy/paste text into their internet browsers anyway. You can't filter trial accounts based on IPs because not everyone has a static IP. ISPs tend to loan those out at random and if you block one IP today that is a ISK spammer, tomorrow it could be someone else's. Also, your not thinking about anonymous proxies or bot nets or any other way of obfuscating IPs which would make the whole idea moot.
I understand that in your world your the smartest man alive and why everyone doesn't bow down to your belligerent crass posts is way beyond your mental capacity. Let's just try to keep it civil, shall we?
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Mayobe
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.11 23:42:00 -
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There's no magic bullet when dealing with jacktards in large numbers (aka the internet).
1) Sadly you can't sue someone for being an idiot. They have to break the law.
2) Possible and easily implemented client-side, but impractical because (as was mentioned) tinyurl and other sites would be used.
3) That's hacking and also not ethical. CCP could face a class action suit unless they're very careful with that kind of thing.
They've been doing a very good job of cracking down on the morons by quickly banning them and severely punishing anyone who transacts with them (negated acct balance).
A lightweight client-side statisitical engine is the best thing I can think of in technical terms. The engine would simply scan through chat logs occasionally and send brief reports on any phrases that are used repeatedly, especially by the same characters. This could be done on login so that it doesn't slow down the game.
However, in the end the key here is simply to make the idea of selling ISK entriely unprofitable. That's harder than it sounds, but if they keep up with what they're doing I think the message will get out. Farmers make their living by selling. If nobody is willing to buy then they'll have to move on.
Also, and more importantly, jumping on Skulldara like that was childish.
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.12 00:08:00 -
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I don't know why CCP haven't made autobanning bot yet... At least... Banning for such links... It would help... I made a new account not so long ago and i was surprised when one spammer spammed that links in Rookie Help channels for a few minutes without getting banned... It's just wierd, i thought moderating of Rookie Help is better...
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Fille Balle
Dissolution Of Eternity
Ethikos Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.13 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Skulldara
I offer a little constructive criticism and you call me an ISK seller? I don't know what ISK farmer ****ed in your Cheerios, but you need to chill the frak out...
Listen, you can't block ISK selling URLs without blocking ALL URLs. Filtering on text alone is way too easy to work around and would have zero effect. They will just add extra character to common words, misspelling them in a way that avoids the filter but is still easily decipherable by the human eye. Email spammers have been doing it for years now.
You can't block IPs because people just copy/paste text into their internet browsers anyway. You can't filter trial accounts based on IPs because not everyone has a static IP. ISPs tend to loan those out at random and if you block one IP today that is a ISK spammer, tomorrow it could be someone else's. Also, your not thinking about anonymous proxies or bot nets or any other way of obfuscating IPs which would make the whole idea moot.
I understand that in your world your the smartest man alive and why everyone doesn't bow down to your belligerent crass posts is way beyond your mental capacity. Let's just try to keep it civil, shall we?
Civil indeed. Civilized:
1. Having a highly developed society and culture.
2. Showing evidence of moral and intellectual advancement; humane, ethical, and reasonable
3. Marked by refinement in taste and manners; cultured; polished.
Now, nr 2. Intellectual advancement and ethical in particular. You might wanna look those two words up. You spout this and that regarding how it's impossible to block all urls. I've got one "refined" word for you: "WEBSENSE"
If they can do it, why shouldn't CCP be able to do it? And if CCP can't do it, why can't they outsource it to Websense? Hm? And don't try to tell me that it doesn't work. I've tested it at work, and indeed, it does work.
With all your knowledge of URL blocking etc, I'd think you'd also know about Websense. Or are you just saying things so you can keep selling isk? Or are you not as educated as you make yourself out to be?
In conclusion, I KNOW there is a solution out there, so why haven't CCP implemented it yet?
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Gilleran Hale
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Posted - 2009.05.22 23:26:00 -
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Ok, well the Websense comparison is completely inappropriate. I work with Websense all the time, and the reason that they charge a subscription fee is that they have an army of people trolling the web every day and categorizing web sites for their filters. Then it all goes down to an application that has to run on the server and examine every single packet that goes out to the internet. That level of packet inspection would be a bit much to try and do considering the traffic that must be flowing through their network hardware already.
HOWEVER, I do agree with the original poster's contention that this has gone on for far too long already. With a simple regex filter they should be able to kill any message that shows up with a particular URL, even if it has spaces, dots, or whatever in it. It's not that hard.
Might be hard to implement overall, but not that hard to to catch them.
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