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CCP Gnauton	Posted - 2009.05.11 17:12:00 - [1] Hi guys, Here are the release notes for the first batch of changes announced in TonyG's dev blog last week. A couple of things I want to get out of the way before we delve into the nitty-gritty: This work is being done in chronological order, and in order to minimize errors IÆve had to be extremely careful about every change. This means things had to be referenced, cross-referenced and re-referenced. It also means that, since things are being done in roughly chronological order, changes haven't been made to some of the newer material yet. Please (please, please) note that this is not be taken as an indication that new material will be given story preference over old material. The aim here isn't to rewrite history according to whim. The aim is to solidify the backstory, patching up the cracks in the plaster so we have a stronger foundation to build future fiction on. There seems to be an abiding notion out there that weÆre operating out of a knee-jerk ônewer is betterö paradigm, and I want to make it crystal clear that thatÆs not the case. While there are several far-reaching and difficult-to-weed-out inconsistencies in the old canon, newer material isnÆt free of contradiction by any measure, and weÆre fully aware of that. If two things are in conflict, the decision about which to change is made on the basis of what fits better with a number of auxiliary connected factors in the storyline as a whole, not necessarily what came earlier or later. The decisions youÆll see here, therefore, have been made out of consideration for 1) what they could have had the potential to break had a different route been selected, 2) what opportunities they create for intriguing future canon and 3) how they serve the grander narrative of the backstory as a whole. This project will continue to be a work in progress for the next few months. Every few weeks you should see a new changelist where the latest fixes have been put up for your perusal, and weÆre aiming to have the project fully completed by this summer. It is, of course, not unlikely that despite our best efforts there will be some errors in this first iteration, and for feedback on those I will rely on the hawk-like gazes of our story diehards. This thread will be kept unlocked for a trial period of a few days so people can give feedback, but if the vast majority of what comes through here is unconstructive whining, weÆll lock this mother down. That said, here are the changes. Besides the one item marked Deferred, this has all already gone in on the web site (the deferred one will come in tomorrow). (A quick note on timelines: a few of the changes here effectively put certain items on the EVE Online web site timelines out of date. The timelines will be overhauled and reconstructed in a new form on E-O and Evelopedia in the near future. Please bear with us through this reconstruction period.)


CCP Gnauton	Posted - 2009.05.11 17:20:00 - [2] Added a date and time to Chronicle ôKiss of the Soul,ö and added a small reference to the storyÆs meeting being one of the ôextendedö Privy Council, which is composed of representatives from several power blocs and institutions within the Empire in addition to the ôcoreö Privy Council within it, which comprises just the Five Heirs. Clarification on the Privy Council and its functioning has also been added to the ôAmarr Successionö Chronicle (see below). Fixed a continuity error in Chronicle ôGallente-Caldari War: The Early Days,ö where previously it was stated that roughly 300 years had passed between the time of the FederationÆs founding and the Gallente/Caldari joint discovery of jump gate technology. The number was changed by 200 years, to mesh with timelines and other published fiction. Fixed a continuity error in Chronicle ôGallente-Caldari War: The War Drones Onö where the previous reason for the end of the Gallente-Caldari war û the need for readiness in the face of potential hostility from Amarr, which caused Gallente to broker peace û was inconsistent with circumstances at the time peace was made, as depicted elsewhere in the fiction. The impetus for the end of the war was therefore changed to intervention by the then-newly-formed CONCORD. In the same Chronicle, fixed error where it was implied the Battle of VakÆAtioth came after the Battle of Ieyn-Oursta (VakÆAtioth came first). Rewrote Chronicle ôAmarr Succession,ö making numerous changes: made mention of events surrounding Jamyl SarumÆs ascension; fixed references to Heideran VII being current emperor; fixed timeline inconsistencies with regard to HeideranÆs ascension and the Khanid KingdomÆs founding (the Kingdom was founded on the occasion of HeideranÆs ascension, not his predecessorÆs); clarified Heideran VIIÆs lineage as Kador; added information on the Privy Council. Rewrote Chronicle ôCONCORD,ö making numerous changes: made mention of last yearÆs Elder War events; added historical details on the brokering of the ceasefire agreement between the Caldari and the Gallente; several other small changes. Clarified the exact location of Starkman Prime, which was previously implied to have been variously in Minmatar or Amarr space. The planetÆs location was cemented in the Arzad system, and references added to Chronicle ôKhumaakö to make it clear the system once belonged to the Minmatar but that it had changed hands at the time the Chronicle took place. Reference also added to Chronicle ôThe Outcastö that Arzad is currently a disputed border zone. Clarified the exact time scale of Minmatar subjugation at the hands of Amarr. Canon sources variously claimed the Minmatar were invaded and conquered wholesale in 22480 or that the Amarr were still invading and conquering their planets at the time of the Rebellion in 23216; canon has been modified to fit the latter scenario. This effectively puts current web site timelines out of date; the timelines will be given a full revamp soon. Fixed a continuity error in Chronicle ôMaleatu Shakorö where a rag-tag band of freedom fighters had been flying capsule-fitted ships 40 or 50 years before the technology became widely available. From the Chronicle ôLady PhancaÆs Pet Furrier,ö removed reference to erroneously named institutions that conflicted with other established canon. Removed Chronicles ôThe Moon of Ndoria,ö ôThe Tierijev Pocket,ö ôReaching For The Starsö and ôPast the Future Curbsö from the web site, as all were founded upon premises that made sense at the time of writing (before release) but are irreconcilable with modern-day EVE. Blessed be their memory. Fixed a continuity error in Chronicle ôLady PhancaÆs Pet Furrier,ö where it was said that Idonis Ardishapur was the current head of the Ardishapur Family.


CCP Gnauton	Posted - 2009.05.11 17:23:00 - [3] Fixed a continuity error in Chronicle ôHeaven,ö wherein it was said that the Heaven constellation has nine systems (it has seven). Also fixed error in same Chronicle relating to criminal organizationsÆ recruitment practices. Fixed reference to Hueromont death toll in Chronicle ôCaldari-Gallente War: The Breakoutö to bring it in line with other canon. Fixed a reference to a nonexistent space station, Tiegjon Station, in Chronicle ôFatal and the Rabbit.ö The location was changed to coincide with existing in-game environment. Fixed an error in Chronicle ôThe Hanging Long-Limbö where it was implied that capsuleers routinely spend weeks or months at a time in the capsule without emerging. (Deferred) Fixed timeline errors in short story ôThe Jovian Wet Graveö and scientific article ôThe Capsule and the Clone,ö in both of which the date of the JoviansÆ capsule gift to the Caldari was incorrectly stated. Fixed an error in Chronicle ôThe Khanid Kingdom,ö where the size of the Khanid Kingdom was incorrectly stated. Changed Chronicle ôKonrakasö to remove reference to Shintaht being a binary system. Changed Chronicle ôThe Ammatarsö to bring outdated situation out of present tense. Rewrote Chronicle ôTime and the Astrologer,ö fixing CONCORD timeline discrepancies, removing reference to Old Earth, fixing discrepancies with regard to the abbreviations commonly used to denote the year, and bringing the Chronicle up to date with the modern day. Changed Chronicle ôPrey Minerö to remove reference to nonexistent tracking device. Changed Chronicle ôCamera Dronesö to remove reference to nonexistent scouting device. Made two changes to Chronicle ôRogue Drones,ö removing reference to nonexistent rogue drone hunting tactic and downplaying potential consequences of hulk lairsÆ mobility. Dated Chronicle ôHeideran Gets The Aidonis,ö and modulated President AidonisÆs role in the eventual brokering of the Gallente-Caldari peace accord. Edited Chronicle ôOld Man Starö in light of previous discrepancies which created timeline conflict. Edited Chronicle ôThe Eliteö to bring references to capsuleers (previously ôspace captainsö) in line with other canon. Added date to Chronicle ôA Visit Worthwhile,ö and toned down references made to the number of inhabited worlds in EVE. Fixed a reference to AmarrÆs location of origin on the planet Athra in Chronicle ôAmetat and Avetat,ö where previously it was stated that Amarr was originally an island (it was a continent.)

Siramar Thi	Posted - 2009.05.11 18:36:00 - [4] I would just like to be the first to applaud all of you undertaking this sizable effort on behalf of those of us who thoroughly enjoy the storyline of EVE. Sometimes it feels like we're a minority, and it reinvigorates both my interest in the game and my respect for CCP seeing all of this done. Not even a week ago, I myself was laboring over the Jovian Wetgrave trying to get the capsule-introduction dates to work, (your Deferred item,) and I can't wait to see the new version of that one. Personally, this is Finals Week in my school life, so I'm swamped, but I'll definitely be re-reading a lot of Chronicles in the near future with an excited eye open; it sounds like a fair number of things I've scratched my head over in the past have been taken care of. Best of luck on completing this task and once again, thank you.
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2009.05.11 20:02:00 - [5] Originally by: CCP Gnauton Removed Chronicles ôThe Moon of Ndoria,ö ôThe Tierijev Pocket,ö ôReaching For The Starsö and ôPast the Future Curbsö from the web site, as all were founded upon premises that made sense at the time of writing (before release) but are irreconcilable with modern-day EVE. Blessed be their memory. So is Tierijev no longer considered to be Caldari space (in fiction)? Is that big picture information still relevent? Secondly; please do not have these removed from evelopeida., a warning bar that they are no longer accurate should be sufficient In-Game Browser : http://ldis.caldari-made.net
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2009.05.11 20:17:00 - [6] Overall a good idea but I think rewriting some older chronicles to include updated info is wrong. Although to be honest I have mixed feelings about the Concord rewrite as it works. http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=jul04 to me was the state of how Concord was all those years ago, not what they are like now. At least that's how I read it. I thought the date 04 was the year 104 yet it now contains information about EA which is after the year 104. I think the same for the scientific articles. They are written years ago and shouldn't take into account recent advances in tech. Instead there should be a 2nd updated Concord Chronicle and new scientific articles. Speaking of which, could the scientific articles be made clearly what year they are written in? There is a lot of confusion over Eon chronicles and are they canon? Some game features seem to have been introduced like Jump Clones via Eon chronicles. There have been references leading people to believe Eon is canon and others believe its not. Could we have a clear answer? Instead of removing chronicles could we put some sort of role-play message at the top. Say they are from some sort of popular Eve virtual holo crystal game and not a part of the real universe. But just part of in Eve fantasy world game. or some other reason to explain the chronicles as not part of game lore but in a way that means we can keep them up. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2009.05.11 20:32:00 - [7] Edited by: Pottsey on 11/05/2009 20:37:15 "fixed references to Heideran VII being current emperor;" But he was the current emperor in the year the chronicle was written/based. I am not sure I like the idea of updating chronicle's to including information years after they were written. That chronicle was a snapshot in time to the year YC104 now you changed it to include information from the year YC 110. If you look at the chronicle as being in the year YC 104 that the information in it like the references to Heideran VII are correct. I believe a much better way would be to role the chronicle back. Give it a title like imperial record date YC 104. Then under the current text do a imperial record date YC 110 then add the Jamyl Sarum is now emperor and other bits. Same for the Concord one. Role it back, give it a title somethin YC 104. Then at the bottom put record YC 109 with text on the EA events. P.S when I say role back I don't mean the fixed timeline inconsistencies. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.05.11 21:20:00 - [8] Quote: Removed Chronicles ôThe Moon of Ndoria,ö ôThe Tierijev Pocket,ö ôReaching For The Starsö and ôPast the Future Curbsö from the web site, as all were founded upon premises that made sense at the time of writing (before release) but are irreconcilable with modern-day EVE. Blessed be their memory. Couldnt you have just put a label that read "no longer considered part of the offical Eve storyline" or moved them to their own section? Though I dont speak for myself I would imagine that fanfiction that sight these sorts things would be confusing to future readers of said fiction if any refrence to them was suddenly removed. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Silver Night Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.05.11 21:30:00 - [9] If CONCORD was involved in stopping the Gallente-Caldari war, and the capsule was given to the Caldari 15 years after the war ended, would the character in the 'Jovian Wet Grave' not be familiar with the Jovians? Since they are a part of CONCORD? Originally by: CONCORD CONCORD (Consolidated Cooperation and Relations Command) is an international assembly of regulating bodies founded over a century ago, not long after the five empires had established contact with each other. Originally by: The Jovian Wet Grave But the war had been over for 15 years, and in all the years that Pirkotan had spent in the navy, hardly anything noteworthy had ever occurred. Scrubbing, drilling, sleeping - that seemed the be-all and end-all of navy life. But then, less than two months ago, a new race had made contact with the Caldari. Originally by: The War Drones On Neither side was willing to offer peace for fear of it being taken as a sign of weakness, but the new generation growing up on both sides was willing to sacrifice itself for such an uncertain cause, so the war slowly faded into small-scale border skirmishes and raids. The matter was finally settled when CONCORD, at that point a relatively new entity that had yet to truly establish itself, decided that the war, posing as it did a threat to New EdenÆs diplomatic and economic stability, had gone on long enough. Still, a small quibble. I have to say, I'm still somewhat cautious in embracing this whole thing, but I have to thank you Gnauton for taking the time to explain what the standards are going to be a bit more clearly. I find myself somewhat reassured. It was those old original chrons, short stories, and scientific articles that got me into the game, for the months I was waiting for a Beta invite I read and reread them. I hope they are in good hands. Is this the appropriate place to report discrepancies, by the way? -------------- The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.05.11 21:49:00 - [10] Edited by: Evanda Char on 11/05/2009 22:05:44 Will anything be happening with the Chronicle, "The Repairman?" While beautifully and atmospherically written, it's... Well, very difficult to roleplay with, for a start. "You are acting completely different to yesterday!" "Ah, well! While you were sleeping, my brain was updated by mysterious beings!" I'd also like to join the voices asking for perhaps an archive of the original pieces - not because I'll be referring to them (PF is PF; if it changes, so does the world and that's what I have to play to) but because whether they are a story with a plot or a brief description or history of a person or object, they're nicely written and I have a sentimental fondness for several of them. For instance, I'd hate to see the alt text on the picture in Lady Phancia's Furrier disappear. It has provided me no end of amusement over the years to know the little critter was named Rodj. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Marine HK4861 Caldari Radical Technologies	Posted - 2009.05.11 22:06:00 - [11] Originally by: Silver Night If CONCORD was involved in stopping the Gallente-Caldari war, and the capsule was given to the Caldari 15 years after the war ended, would the character in the 'Jovian Wet Grave' not be familiar with the Jovians? Since they are a part of CONCORD? We've gone over this at length here. The changes have been deferred to tomorrow, regarding the date of the Jovian gift of pod tech to the Caldari.
Shirley Serious Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra	Posted - 2009.05.11 22:28:00 - [12] Originally by: Pottsey There is a lot of confusion over Eon chronicles and are they canon? Some game features seem to have been introduced like Jump Clones via Eon chronicles. There have been references leading people to believe Eon is canon and others believe its not. Could we have a clear answer? jump clones kind of seem to follow from the technologies mentioned in the "one man too many" chronicle, which is pretty old isn't it? though it seems to be missing the rest of the story at the moment. EON stuff being canon or not, is a very difficult issue, cos it means a two-tier system. If something appears in Eon but not elsewhere, like say, that thing with the capsuleer captain being able to directly control crew members, then that really confuses people who don't have Eon, it its canon. but if it;s not canon, then it reduces the value of Eon. Yes. Yes, I am.
Faraelle Brightman Gallente Placid Reborn Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2009.05.11 22:57:00 - [13] Tierjev is a complicated one. - At Empyrian Age (downtime news and the novel) the Gallente were going to attack Tierjev in retaliation before Fortian surendered Caldari Prime to keep Gallente Prime from being blown up. - Every time I've flown through Tierjev (all of it post-EA), it's been a Gallente-owned system. - Wasn't there an AURORA event about Tierjev before my time where the titular "Tierjev Experiment" failed and sogvernty changed hands? ----------------------- "Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies."
Svetlana Scarlet Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2009.05.11 23:03:00 - [14] While the vast majority of these changes look good, I do have to ask a question about just throwing out entire chrons; is there going to be any attempt to rewrite these to fit in with the "new" canon, or are they simply being discarded if the chronicles, as written, can't line up with the new reality? For instance, Tierijev could probably have been rewritten to explain how the Pocket is simply a pocket where ethnic Caldari make up the vast majority of the population as opposed to simply tossing it out. The other problem with some of these is that the changes are going to compound themselves. Altering one relatively minor thing can cause a huge number of other issues -- like the Jovian dates that someone pointed out earlier. With reference to Tierijev again, I believe the Gallente counteroffensive in TEA was actually aimed at taking control of Tierijev from the Caldari -- if that is no longer a Caldari system in canon, that make that part of the book rather inaccurate, and now you're talking about altering major plot points in TEA; not something easy to do. -- CAPT Svetlana Scarlet CAIN Chief of Diplomatic Staff
Ghost Hunter Naqam	Posted - 2009.05.12 01:25:00 - [15] Hold the phone. If CONCORD brokered the ending of the Gallente-Caldari war, doesn't that invalidate the unification war against Sansha's Nation? The Nation was destroyed almost exactly in the same time frame as CONCORD's founding according to the loose timeline / canon information. So sometime between the start of the Caldari leaving Caldari Prime, and the end of the war; 1) Sansha Kuvakei struck out in Stain to create his project 2) The Nation rose up in fame, popularity, mass arms manufacturing etc, almost becoming the sixth Empire in power. 3) The Four primary Empires unified against the Nation [Cal-Gal war is still going on in the revision] 4) The Nation is destroyed, CONCORD is founded sometime during the destruction or immediately there after. 5) ??? 6) profit I've studied the Sansha timeline and it is a huge bloody mess, but that's just glaring right at me. So where does this put the whole birth and death of Sansha's Nation thing in accordance to the rest of the war and CONCORD? ______ The Seven Events of the Apocalypse The fourth event is described by Macaper as ôthe appetite of nothing expands over the worldö;
Nyx Na'gorg	Posted - 2009.05.12 01:39:00 - [16] Why are you rewriting history? Sure making the timeline accurate but rewriting and retcon'ing our history is wrong.
Faraelle Brightman Gallente Placid Reborn Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2009.05.12 01:55:00 - [17] Originally by: Svetlana Scarlet While the vast majority of these changes look good, I do have to ask a question about just throwing out entire chrons; is there going to be any attempt to rewrite these to fit in with the "new" canon, or are they simply being discarded if the chronicles, as written, can't line up with the new reality? For instance, Tierijev could probably have been rewritten to explain how the Pocket is simply a pocket where ethnic Caldari make up the vast majority of the population as opposed to simply tossing it out. The other problem with some of these is that the changes are going to compound themselves. Altering one relatively minor thing can cause a huge number of other issues -- like the Jovian dates that someone pointed out earlier. With reference to Tierijev again, I believe the Gallente counteroffensive in TEA was actually aimed at taking control of Tierijev from the Caldari -- if that is no longer a Caldari system in canon, that make that part of the book rather inaccurate, and now you're talking about altering major plot points in TEA; not something easy to do. And to put another complication on top of it, messing with the sogvernty of Tierjev has a gameplay balance effect, mostly for FW players that I know of; it's the alternate route around Old Man Star into Black Rise for Gallente players. ----------------------- "Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies."
Erimaia Cor'fal	Posted - 2009.05.12 02:31:00 - [18] Originally by: Nyx Na'gorg Why are you rewriting history? Sure making the timeline accurate but rewriting and retcon'ing our history is wrong. It's not yours, and it's perfectly reasonable to rewrite and retcon for the sake of consistency.
Blake Rathen Caldari Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu Celestial Imperative	Posted - 2009.05.12 13:56:00 - [19] Edited by: Blake Rathen on 12/05/2009 13:56:39 Bravo on the results you've already achieved! I applaud your efforts to stitch together all these stories... it can't be easy. From what I can glean from the ambitious plan laid out for fictional integration, it sure looks exciting! /claps
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei Guardian Federation	Posted - 2009.05.12 15:45:00 - [20] The Chronicle, "The Vampire" also describes a super-drone that does not actually exist ingame. Perhaps it can be rewritten, to make it clear that the Vampire refused to return after completing its objective and went "Rogue". The Chronicle would fit much better into the existing background if it is made clear that Super Drones like this were the origin of the Drone Plague. Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
Sura Novi	Posted - 2009.05.12 17:03:00 - [21] Originally by: Evanda Char Edited by: Evanda Char on 11/05/2009 22:05:44 Will anything be happening with the Chronicle, "The Repairman?" As it happens, purely by co-incidence, I penned a short story following up on that story last weekend (i'd better post it soon if chronicles are being wiped as it won't make sense otherwise!) I've tried to avoid clashing with any "canon", I hope its ok to use the characters. My take on that chronicle is, its kinda like a sort of parallel to devs/gms going round "fixing" bugged toons in the early days - I remember being wary about how I approached acceleration gates when they first came out, in case I got stuck and had to petition to be move!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.12 17:17:00 - [22] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 12/05/2009 17:19:28 I shall of course now claim credit for this, having pointed out a number of inconsistencies back in 2004. Seriously though, good stuff CCP :) However, I can't see any mention of the Amarr timeline being amended so that it doesn't imply that Heideran VII was a Tash-Murkon. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Threv Echandari Caldari K Directorate	Posted - 2009.05.12 17:44:00 - [23] Edited by: Threv Echandari on 12/05/2009 17:53:57 (Retconning my own poast FTL) It does seem that messing around with the Events concerning Concord and the Sancha's Nation with respect to the Caldari Gallente War, is going to be a tough nut to crack. The Changes you are making with Concord brokering the Cease fire (not to mention with Jovian Wet-grave et al) have far reaching effects. Also I am in agreement with others who object to the redoing of tense the Heideron stuff as they should be viewed as historical documents and dated as such. Retconning them to present tense is not needed it would seem. With respect to Tierjev Pocket, That one should not be retired but modified.. Though my solution would be a little more Drastic and that would be have the Devs alter the Game map make the Tierjev system Caldari FW space and Voila! problem solved, (and nobody gets hurt). With respect to EA novel (Didn't read Theodicy as I don't care much for Minmatar backstory), Re-editing/revising TonyG's EA novel which also includes it (Tierjev) would probably cause some difficulties, it appears that Tony was not working with the equivalent of an EVE Writers Bible. Similar to the one ST and B5 Writiers were given to make sure there stories were canon. Not to crack on Tony too much, I do like what he has written (for the most part) but I think he should also play the game more and read up on the things he is writing about. Or at the very least someone needs to have some more editorial oversight to prevent mistakes from happening. As much as I liked EA it really would have been served well with a better editor who is familiar with EVE. (sorry) Last comments.. Please clarify whether or not the Chrons in EON are canon. (lets put that to rest shall we?) and I don't like the getting rid of Chrons completely. Like it or not they are part of out "Lore" if you will. Instead of pulling a Stalinesque removal create a Chronicals section called.... Wait for it.. Apocrypha! and put all the stuff that just doesn't work and is no longer valid in there with notes explaining why they are no longer canon. ---------------------------------------- Happiness is a Wet Pod
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.12 19:12:00 - [24] Originally by: Evanda Char For instance, I'd hate to see the alt text on the picture in Lady Phancia's Furrier disappear. It has provided me no end of amusement over the years to know the little critter was named Rodj. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Yoshito Sanders Amarr Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2009.05.12 21:05:00 - [25] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Evanda Char For instance, I'd hate to see the alt text on the picture in Lady Phancia's Furrier disappear. It has provided me no end of amusement over the years to know the little critter was named Rodj. It's actually "Rodi" and it's the file name (rodi.jpg).

CCP Greyscale	Posted - 2009.05.12 22:29:00 - [26] Edited by: CCP Greyscale on 12/05/2009 22:32:40 Originally by: Rodj Blake However, I can't see any mention of the Amarr timeline being amended so that it doesn't imply that Heideran VII was a Tash-Murkon. This bit? Originally by: CCP Gnauton Rewrote Chronicle ôAmarr Succession,ö making numerous changes: made mention of events surrounding Jamyl SarumÆs ascension; fixed references to Heideran VII being current emperor; fixed timeline inconsistencies with regard to HeideranÆs ascension and the Khanid KingdomÆs founding (the Kingdom was founded on the occasion of HeideranÆs ascension, not his predecessorÆs); clarified Heideran VIIÆs lineage as Kador; added information on the Privy Council. (And also possibly this bit:) Originally by: CCP Gnauton (A quick note on timelines: a few of the changes here effectively put certain items on the EVE Online web site timelines out of date. The timelines will be overhauled and reconstructed in a new form on E-O and Evelopedia in the near future. Please bear with us through this reconstruction period.)

Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.05.13 03:21:00 - [27] Originally by: CCP Gnauton Removed Chronicles ôThe Moon of Ndoria,ö ôThe Tierijev Pocket,ö ôReaching For The Starsö and ôPast the Future Curbsö from the web site, as all were founded upon premises that made sense at the time of writing (before release) but are irreconcilable with modern-day EVE. Blessed be their memory. *Please* do not just delete these completely. Instead, why not put them in a separate chronicles section, "old and now obsolete". This accomplishes the same end result, but lets anyone who is interested in EVE's history go back and read them. You know, just like how all the old videos are still available to watch, even if they are no longer relevant. I'd suggest doing the same thing with chronicles which have been significantly changed (such as the Caldari/Gallente war), perhaps a footnote at the end with a link to the old version? -----------
Ze'ev Sinraali	Posted - 2009.05.13 06:45:00 - [28] Edited by: Ze''ev Sinraali on 13/05/2009 06:51:24 Adding my meaningless support to the request for clarification on Tierijev. It always struck me as a fascinating place for political intrigue, a la Cold War Berlin. (Also my character is supposed to be from there. ) -------------------------- Celebrate the real heroes; buy your crew dinner.
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.05.13 12:36:00 - [29] Originally by: Merin Ryskin *Please* do not just delete these completely. Instead, why not put them in a separate chronicles section, "old and now obsolete". This accomplishes the same end result, but lets anyone who is interested in EVE's history go back and read them. You know, just like how all the old videos are still available to watch, even if they are no longer relevant. Echoing this. It's better to have a reference to the old inaccurate documents than simply lose them. You never know what neat ideas might evolve out of them that can be fitted into canon. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
Siramar Thi	Posted - 2009.05.15 20:36:00 - [30] I don't think I've seen a change in Jovian Wetgrave yet. Do you know when it will be up?
Drakoulia Caldari The Night Corporation	Posted - 2009.05.16 02:13:00 - [31] Originally by: Astria Tiphareth Originally by: Merin Ryskin *Please* do not just delete these completely. Instead, why not put them in a separate chronicles section, "old and now obsolete". This accomplishes the same end result, but lets anyone who is interested in EVE's history go back and read them. You know, just like how all the old videos are still available to watch, even if they are no longer relevant. Echoing this. It's better to have a reference to the old inaccurate documents than simply lose them. You never know what neat ideas might evolve out of them that can be fitted into canon. I also enjoy reading many of the stories there, even if they might not be 'canon'. A separate section would be better than worrying about what stories I missed and will now never be able to read. --- Originally by: The Mittani Don't touch that! Don't open the refrigerator! The spy is in the refrigerator!
Kathryn Dougans Amarr Imperial Crusade Syndicate	Posted - 2009.05.17 16:24:00 - [32] the "One man too many" chronicle is broken :( Don't ask me about the cows.
Morgan Brykein Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.05.18 07:32:00 - [33] Whoever controls the past controls the future. We are at war with Eastasia. We have always been at war with Eastasia. Sorry, just had to say it. Awesome work. Must've been tough.
Dementus Blanc Aliastra	Posted - 2009.05.18 14:25:00 - [34] Stairway to Heaven is another chronicle that looks like it could do with a rewrite or a straight chop. I for one am happy to see this effort, though. Retcon doesn't have to be a bad thing, as evidenced by Blizzard's near-brutalization of their own lore. Sometimes this stuff has just been allowed to become too large, contradicting and tangled to be able to effectively move forward with it.
Eventy One Magellan Exploration and Survey	Posted - 2009.05.20 02:20:00 - [35] Edited by: Eventy One on 20/05/2009 02:21:00 With respect to the argument, obsolete chronicles should not simply be purged, people have alluded to modifications or a separate section, rather than simple deletions. Can I also suggest using the tactic of explaining inconsistencies rather than getting rid of them altogether. Our own histories (in RL) have inconsistencies. Attributing the inconsistencies that arise from particularly difficult lore could be a simple as: "... took place in the year 12314, according to the Gallente historian Irk, however Gallente historians are notoriously known for inaccuracies in their work, and for modifying history . Most competant historians (such as Caldari ones) agree the date was more likely 12354." Etc. Only the substantive bits of lore need absolute resolution. If the difficult bit of inconsistency isn't instrumental in the overal EVE story, and can be explained away in terms of other factors, such as the info was seen to be correct at the time, but additional scholarship has proven it incorrect, problems can be somewhat tolerated. I don't think the goal should be as comprehensive as removing all problems from EVE lore.
Vherkin Amarr Lucis TechnoCustodia	Posted - 2009.05.24 03:21:00 - [36] Well, its sad to remove these history, put them in a special section. And for the The Tierijev Pocket, i think is easier to change an in-game sovreignty than a book novel. Even if you have to create an alternate route for the gallente militia. Or atleast, add a correction in the eve site about the novel. "We are sorry people Tierijev Pocket was not the place they think to attack in the novel but..."
Kaito Haakkainen	Posted - 2009.05.26 21:00:00 - [37] Verge Vendors in-game description will also need to be changed: Originally by: Verge Vendor While otherwise unnotable, Verge Vendor is the home to one of the most infamous experiments of all time. Tierijev is found in Verge Vendor, the site of a doomed cooperative between the Caldari State and the Gallente Federation. While the ripples of Tierijev have long since settled, Verge Vendor still evokes memories of cooperation for the sake of scientific progress in many. As such, the number of young, idealistic scientists found in the region is disproportionately higher than found in other larger, richer areas. Many dream of the day the hope of Tierijev set won't be a simple one-off, but rather a blueprint for greater scientific harmony throughout the galaxy.
Kaito Haakkainen	Posted - 2009.05.29 11:59:00 - [38] Edited by: Kaito Haakkainen on 29/05/2009 12:02:55 Still going with the Guristas faction being only 10 years old? They seem remarkably well connected, organized, and equipped for it, but it's not impossible. There's also no mention of the severe memory loss and reduced motor functions Fatal received from his podding during the Crielere event, which may be worth mentioning in the "Fatal and The rabbit" chronicle. (The Rabbit would probably like his capital "R" back too. ) [EDIT: It's also been more than a "few months" since the ambassadors kidnapping.]
Kaito Haakkainen Caldari	Posted - 2009.06.23 18:26:00 - [39] Ruthless Riddled with issues, most of which are ranted about elsewhere, though I did spot some time-traveling Protein Delicacies on Ralirashi's shirt others have missed, existing there several years before their creation by SuVee. Stranger still they're on a Caldari shirt, and the news surrounding the scandal stated there was no demand for the product within the State.
Saki Archeus Caldari Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2009.07.04 19:20:00 - [40] ok, here's some questions about some inconsistencies and gaps: - how did they find out about the other solar systems? Sometimes it mentions stargate creation, othertimes that there are ancient stargates already there. - how did the Amarr find the Minmatar empire? you only mention the creation of one stargate in the timeline - what were the first ships of each race? - if the races hadn't had ships yet, how did they navigate into eve? and how did the Minmatar manage to colonize Pator without a spaceship to move there? Originally by: "Amarr introduction" In recent years, however, the Amarrians have begun to run into serious opposition. First, they met the Gallente Federation. Although much smaller than the Amarr Empire, the Amarrians soon found the economic and military might of the Gallenteans a match for their own. what is this Gallente opposition?
Raem Civrie Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.08 11:47:00 - [41] Originally by: Saki Archeus Originally by: "Amarr introduction" In recent years, however, the Amarrians have begun to run into serious opposition. First, they met the Gallente Federation. Although much smaller than the Amarr Empire, the Amarrians soon found the economic and military might of the Gallenteans a match for their own. what is this Gallente opposition? Presumably they opposed being subservient slaves. Which would explain why there's a Gallente Federation rather than the Gamarr Theocracy. ---
Kaito Haakkainen Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.02 13:57:00 - [42] Originally by: CCP Gnauton This project will continue to be a work in progress for the next few months. Every few weeks you should see a new changelist where the latest fixes have been put up for your perusal, and weÆre aiming to have the project fully completed by this summer. Any chance of a report on what progress has been made over the last 12 weeks as there has been no new changelist, a quarter of the year has passed, and autumn approaches.
Vime	Posted - 2009.08.09 22:53:00 - [43] Good that you're fact-checking, but what about the grammatical and word choice errors? I've found quite a few in the two-page scientific article 'Faster Than Light Communication' and even more that I haven't finished documenting yet in the chronicle 'The Spirit of Crielere'. Who would I contact about these? A petition seemed like overkill...
Nachshon Caldari Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.28 18:38:00 - [44] You know, there's room to elaborate on the initial Amarr-Gallente contact. Did it happen before or after the Caldari-Gallente war? Was there in fact a brief Amarr-Gallente war? ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom My v
Kaito Haakkainen Caldari	Posted - 2009.09.03 12:15:00 - [45] Another month, another request for a progress update.
Kaito Haakkainen Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.03 11:32:00 - [46] Originally by: Kaito Haakkainen Another month, another request for a progress update.
Kaito Haakkainen Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.01 17:31:00 - [47] Another two months, another request for an update. 7 months now without any of the change-lists that were supposed to posted every few weeks. Summer has come and gone, as has autumn, and and while I realize that was never intended to be a deadline it would be appreciated if we could hear something, anything, on what is going on with the prime-fiction changes.
Trabber Shir Caldari 5I Incorporated	Posted - 2009.12.08 18:13:00 - [48] Originally by: Kaito Haakkainen Another two months, another request for an update. 7 months now without any of the change-lists that were supposed to posted every few weeks. Summer has come and gone, as has autumn, and and while I realize that was never intended to be a deadline it would be appreciated if we could hear something, anything, on what is going on with the prime-fiction changes. It looks obvious to me. This was just one of those things they picked up without realizing how big of a job it was. Letting the retcon project die quietly and leaving the contradiction doesn't disturb the fan base nearly as much as announcing they can't do it without a complete rewrite, or announcing that they are canceling the project.
Vherkin Amarr Khanids Brownies Industrie Bokhiuld Lomrek Ujjdja Egok	Posted - 2009.12.18 10:36:00 - [49] It's sad, loved the idea of that projet. But 7 month without update ? Probably dead and forgetten by ccp.
Cyberman Mastermind	Posted - 2010.01.08 21:17:00 - [50] Originally by: CCP Gnauton Fixed an error in Chronicle ôThe Hanging Long-Limbö where it was implied that capsuleers routinely spend weeks or months at a time in the capsule without emerging. I think the correct word is "retcon", not "fix". Also, the text is now missing a closing. A dot, or some more text?

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