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Davik Joran
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Posted - 2004.09.04 20:54:00 -
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Has anyone ever been turned down from a corporation for being disabled?I'm asking because it happened to me, and I'm a bit miffed about it.
I've been fully deaf since the age of 14, but obviously that never stopped me from playing EVE.Now the other night I applied to a well known corporation in a well known, big alliance.I've been playing this game since beta.I'm a miner/producer with 17m skillpoints and I've made allot of friends in this game.I already knew allot of people in the corporation I was applying to, I considered them friends.
Then i was turned down at the last moment, after 2 days of chit-chat and interviews I was turned down with a crappy excuse, and only after questioning a friend of mine in the corporation did I find out the true reason - my disability.
If they turn down players on that basis it probably wasn't such a good corporation after all.I can see the complications with team speak and all but rather than "skirt around the issue" I'd rather have people tell it to my face.If anything, i came away feeling very patronized. 
My message to all CEO's and recruiting officers would be that if they ever have to deal with something like this - cut the crap and just come out with it.
Anyway, discuss.
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Davik Joran
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Posted - 2004.09.04 20:54:00 -
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Has anyone ever been turned down from a corporation for being disabled?I'm asking because it happened to me, and I'm a bit miffed about it.
I've been fully deaf since the age of 14, but obviously that never stopped me from playing EVE.Now the other night I applied to a well known corporation in a well known, big alliance.I've been playing this game since beta.I'm a miner/producer with 17m skillpoints and I've made allot of friends in this game.I already knew allot of people in the corporation I was applying to, I considered them friends.
Then i was turned down at the last moment, after 2 days of chit-chat and interviews I was turned down with a crappy excuse, and only after questioning a friend of mine in the corporation did I find out the true reason - my disability.
If they turn down players on that basis it probably wasn't such a good corporation after all.I can see the complications with team speak and all but rather than "skirt around the issue" I'd rather have people tell it to my face.If anything, i came away feeling very patronized.
My message to all CEO's and recruiting officers would be that if they ever have to deal with something like this - cut the crap and just come out with it.
Anyway, discuss.
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mightygerm
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Posted - 2004.09.04 21:00:00 -
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although it seems ****ty, if TS is a major part of the corp and you are'nt able to use it that is a valid reason imo.
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mightygerm
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Posted - 2004.09.04 21:00:00 -
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although it seems ****ty, if TS is a major part of the corp and you are'nt able to use it that is a valid reason imo.
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Burzon
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Posted - 2004.09.04 21:03:00 -
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This is a bit low, even if TS is a major component, as a miner and producer there is no real reason for having to use TS !!
Burz
CEO PAX Interstellar Services
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Burzon
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Posted - 2004.09.04 21:03:00 -
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This is a bit low, even if TS is a major component, as a miner and producer there is no real reason for having to use TS !!
Burz
CEO PAX Interstellar Services
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2004.09.04 21:19:00 -
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WOW, thats unbelivable sorry that someone in this community would ever say anything like that, been a miner/producer character you dont even need to be on ts, am shocked mate.
I know most Corps would be more than happy to have a skilled miner producer in there ranks cant belive they would not allow you just for this.
Am shocked at the corp in question for using this as a excuse, shame on whoever they are.
" Stay Frosty "
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2004.09.04 21:19:00 -
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WOW, thats unbelivable sorry that someone in this community would ever say anything like that, been a miner/producer character you dont even need to be on ts, am shocked mate.
I know most Corps would be more than happy to have a skilled miner producer in there ranks cant belive they would not allow you just for this.
Am shocked at the corp in question for using this as a excuse, shame on whoever they are.
" Stay Frosty "
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Darrin Tobruk
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Posted - 2004.09.04 21:25:00 -
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Yea, shame on whoever did it. I've spoken with a few of my corpmates on teamsound before, and while it's useful for pvp, I much prefer the keyboard the rest of the time.
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Darrin Tobruk
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Posted - 2004.09.04 21:25:00 -
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Yea, shame on whoever did it. I've spoken with a few of my corpmates on teamsound before, and while it's useful for pvp, I much prefer the keyboard the rest of the time.
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Katya Detia
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Posted - 2004.09.04 21:39:00 -
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Hey m8
Sorry to hear about this... :( If your looking for a home, look up bs.i
Im sure we could sort something out.
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CEO: Black Sea Industries
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Katya Detia
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Posted - 2004.09.04 21:39:00 -
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Hey m8
Sorry to hear about this... :( If your looking for a home, look up bs.i
Im sure we could sort something out.
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CEO: Black Sea Industries
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.09.04 21:44:00 -
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Hmm... I think the reason they gave you excuses is that they were embarrassed to say it out loud.
Still, I don't quite understand. TS is absolutely necessary for large-scale PvP but a producer wouldn't need it. And I personally prefer to ***** jokes on corp chat, not TS.
Conclusion: apply to another, more open-minded corp.
 Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.09.04 21:44:00 -
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Hmm... I think the reason they gave you excuses is that they were embarrassed to say it out loud.
Still, I don't quite understand. TS is absolutely necessary for large-scale PvP but a producer wouldn't need it. And I personally prefer to ***** jokes on corp chat, not TS.
Conclusion: apply to another, more open-minded corp.
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Celticjim
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Posted - 2004.09.04 22:05:00 -
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Wow...that's something. I know Old Farts have two members with disabilities, and my corp has one, but it hasn't stopped them nor the two corps.
Give either Old Farts or us a shout if interested. More than happy to have you aboards.
CJ
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Celticjim
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Posted - 2004.09.04 22:05:00 -
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Wow...that's something. I know Old Farts have two members with disabilities, and my corp has one, but it hasn't stopped them nor the two corps.
Give either Old Farts or us a shout if interested. More than happy to have you aboards.
CJ
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Damaclease
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Posted - 2004.09.04 22:13:00 -
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Reading your thread i was goin how teh hell do you disriminate. TS is only valid if the corp you want to join only uses TS (if thats the case it REALLY sux). Be positive there must be other corps that don't use TS and would be more suitible.
GL finding a corp there are lots out there.
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Damaclease
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Posted - 2004.09.04 22:13:00 -
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Reading your thread i was goin how teh hell do you disriminate. TS is only valid if the corp you want to join only uses TS (if thats the case it REALLY sux). Be positive there must be other corps that don't use TS and would be more suitible.
GL finding a corp there are lots out there.
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Majaraw Awalabas
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Posted - 2004.09.04 22:18:00 -
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Just be glad that you found out the nature of their character (or lack of character) before investing much playing time with them.
I've flown several times with a deaf pilot, he is not on TeamSpeak/Ventrilo so we relay commands to our gang chat, we try to keep it free of non-important stuff during operations so it's easier for him to get commands and the gist of what is happening.
He's probably lost out a few times because orders weren't relayed fast enough or he didn't spot them, but it's all in good fun and we both try to make it a pleasurable experience for each other.
Not being able to listen to TeamSpeak/Ventrilo isn't much different actually from those that are on it and can't understand what is being said because of bad microphones, choppy server connection or really different accents
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Majaraw Awalabas
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Posted - 2004.09.04 22:18:00 -
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Just be glad that you found out the nature of their character (or lack of character) before investing much playing time with them.
I've flown several times with a deaf pilot, he is not on TeamSpeak/Ventrilo so we relay commands to our gang chat, we try to keep it free of non-important stuff during operations so it's easier for him to get commands and the gist of what is happening.
He's probably lost out a few times because orders weren't relayed fast enough or he didn't spot them, but it's all in good fun and we both try to make it a pleasurable experience for each other.
Not being able to listen to TeamSpeak/Ventrilo isn't much different actually from those that are on it and can't understand what is being said because of bad microphones, choppy server connection or really different accents
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2004.09.04 22:33:00 -
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We had a deaf person in our corp before, there weren't any major problems, commands were just relayed into gang chat.
No big deal.
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My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants.
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2004.09.04 22:33:00 -
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We had a deaf person in our corp before, there weren't any major problems, commands were just relayed into gang chat.
No big deal.
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My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants.
I <3 ( . Y . ) |
corporal hicks
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Posted - 2004.09.04 22:36:00 -
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Edited by: corporal hicks on 04/09/2004 22:37:49
keeping a eye on this tread to see what happens nice to see the community ralling around this issue because it sucks, some great corps have allready posted like cov and PIE, maybe contacting some of them would be better than wasteing time on the retards who turned you down.
BTW please name the corp that turned you down, I would hate for them to get away with such a horrible thing.
" Stay Frosty "
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2004.09.04 22:36:00 -
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Edited by: corporal hicks on 04/09/2004 22:37:49
keeping a eye on this tread to see what happens nice to see the community ralling around this issue because it sucks, some great corps have allready posted like cov and PIE, maybe contacting some of them would be better than wasteing time on the retards who turned you down.
BTW please name the corp that turned you down, I would hate for them to get away with such a horrible thing.
" Stay Frosty "
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.09.04 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki
We had a deaf person in our corp before, there weren't any major problems, commands were just relayed into gang chat.
No big deal.
commands should be relayed into gang chat by another member than the gang leader, since we play with people from all countries(well lots anyway) sometime you struggle with an accent, so its best to double up with the communication. The other thing is the only person who can suffer with not being able to hear in TS is the guy involved, and knowing that and if he is prepared to take the risk that he MAY miss a vital command, then that should be his decision.
Sass
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.09.04 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki
We had a deaf person in our corp before, there weren't any major problems, commands were just relayed into gang chat.
No big deal.
commands should be relayed into gang chat by another member than the gang leader, since we play with people from all countries(well lots anyway) sometime you struggle with an accent, so its best to double up with the communication. The other thing is the only person who can suffer with not being able to hear in TS is the guy involved, and knowing that and if he is prepared to take the risk that he MAY miss a vital command, then that should be his decision.
Sass
Arcane Technologies |
SageOfMystery
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Posted - 2004.09.04 22:43:00 -
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just have some one relay msg to you in gang chat its really not hard to get around the TS issue, and thats not a valid resion. i personaly say thats messed up.
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SageOfMystery
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Posted - 2004.09.04 22:43:00 -
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just have some one relay msg to you in gang chat its really not hard to get around the TS issue, and thats not a valid resion. i personaly say thats messed up.
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Mechanix
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Posted - 2004.09.04 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Majaraw Awalabas
Just be glad that you found out the nature of their character (or lack of character) before investing much playing time with them.
I've flown several times with a deaf pilot, he is not on TeamSpeak/Ventrilo so we relay commands to our gang chat, we try to keep it free of non-important stuff during operations so it's easier for him to get commands and the gist of what is happening.
He's probably lost out a few times because orders weren't relayed fast enough or he didn't spot them, but it's all in good fun and we both try to make it a pleasurable experience for each other.
Not being able to listen to TeamSpeak/Ventrilo isn't much different actually from those that are on it and can't understand what is being said because of bad microphones, choppy server connection or really different accents
From the perspective of someone in a PVP oriented alliance, Teamspeak is ABSOLUTELY vital.
If you're an industrial/research characters, its nowhere near as important, likewise if your not operating in 0.0. Please dont take offense to people trying to be organised. It may seem unfair to you, but at its most basic, Eve is a completely ruthless game. People make rules of conduct, and if you don't like those of a particular group, find a different group of people to play with.
I do sympathise with your situation, but i can completely understand the viewpoint of the people you are complaining about.
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Mechanix
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Posted - 2004.09.04 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Majaraw Awalabas
Just be glad that you found out the nature of their character (or lack of character) before investing much playing time with them.
I've flown several times with a deaf pilot, he is not on TeamSpeak/Ventrilo so we relay commands to our gang chat, we try to keep it free of non-important stuff during operations so it's easier for him to get commands and the gist of what is happening.
He's probably lost out a few times because orders weren't relayed fast enough or he didn't spot them, but it's all in good fun and we both try to make it a pleasurable experience for each other.
Not being able to listen to TeamSpeak/Ventrilo isn't much different actually from those that are on it and can't understand what is being said because of bad microphones, choppy server connection or really different accents
From the perspective of someone in a PVP oriented alliance, Teamspeak is ABSOLUTELY vital.
If you're an industrial/research characters, its nowhere near as important, likewise if your not operating in 0.0. Please dont take offense to people trying to be organised. It may seem unfair to you, but at its most basic, Eve is a completely ruthless game. People make rules of conduct, and if you don't like those of a particular group, find a different group of people to play with.
I do sympathise with your situation, but i can completely understand the viewpoint of the people you are complaining about.
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