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Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
321
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:19:00 -
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Sebrefa wrote:this apparently didnt work in Jita when the goons over came the concord ships
please share more of your rumour-pablum insights from whatever cluesless ass-end of Eve you call home
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Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:20:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:So what are you proposing? They shoot NPC corp tornado alts on sight? That's how everyone rolls in highsec, right? NPC alts?
Hm, interesting ... Or NAP train members. I was there in the heat of it. It was 70% Test, 15% Goons, 15% FA and other fed alliances.
The numbers don't really back up your claims of alliance participation. |
AureoBroker
Natural Inventions
38
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:22:00 -
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Even though it is in the backyard of Caldari Prime, no damage was intended or perpetrated by goons or any individual partecipating in Burn Jita to State property.
So no, Caldari should hardly break a sweat. Caldari prime is next door, yes, but it's cynojammed and home to atleast one Leviathan and realistically, a good part of the State Navy, not to talk about being under CONCORD protection, of course.
No, meddling with Capsuleer affairs would've made no sense - Not for the State. Perhaps for the Amarr...
If a "Burn Amarr" event is estabilished, NOW, it'd make full sense for the Amarr navy to drop avatars on it, equipped with the old DD, and lay waste. |
Nephilius
Knights of Athena
Star Council
408
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:28:00 -
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Andrey Wartooth wrote:Nephilius wrote:Elise DarkStar wrote:Nephilius wrote:And yet Jita still exists. Eggers go about their daily business in Jita today as if nothing happened in weeks past. Kind of like Stormwind or Ogrimmar. wow very incisive. you're really cutting to the core issues here. what other similarities do they share that are irrelevant to the ultimate point? ******* dolt pretty sure i was making fun of you on another character yesterday for being similarly stupid. you should probably stop posting Yeah, because the core issue here was how Jita and Stormwind are different and yet not. Besides the "capital" reference, which really is irrelevent at its core, Jita and its WoW counterparts are pretty much exactly the same. You say Jita is player built, yet really all that says is that lots of players come to Jita to do trading, market and contracts, very similar to your examples in WoW. It's not nulsec, after all. Jita is no more player built than SW or Ogrimmar. If you can't handle someone pointing out the relative fallacies of your post, you shouldn't be here. I get lots of people calling me stupid, mostly because they can't think past the moment they are living in. You'll have to be more specific. Jita was literally just another system until the players decided to make it a trade hub by everyone trading in it.
Oh, you mean player DRIVEN? That's a little different from built, you know.
I giggle like a mongoloid midget with a case of the hooker tickles when I see PvP alliances that have built their wealth on PvE endeavors complain about carebears. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
173
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:29:00 -
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Andrey Wartooth wrote:Ocih wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:So what are you proposing? They shoot NPC corp tornado alts on sight? That's how everyone rolls in highsec, right? NPC alts?
Hm, interesting ... Or NAP train members. I was there in the heat of it. It was 70% Test, 15% Goons, 15% FA and other fed alliances. The numbers don't really back up your claims of alliance participation.
Numbers can be fudged. When I undocked I set up a reds only overview and with just Goons red, I saw maybe 50 pilots. That number tripled when I added Test to the reds list.
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Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
321
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:30:00 -
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Nephilius wrote:Oh, you mean player DRIVEN? That's a little different from built, you know.
I too make multiple long-winded posts over turns of phrase instead of just asking for clarification.
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Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
321
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:32:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Numbers can be fudged. When I undocked I set up a reds only overview and with just Goons red, I saw maybe 50 pilots. That number tripled when I added Test to the reds list.
Could you please share other incidents where your singular anecdotal experience was more significant than collected data.
Thanks. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6517
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:33:00 -
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Nephilius wrote:Yeah, because the core issue here was how Jita and Stormwind are different and yet not. Besides the "capital" reference, which really is irrelevent at its core, Jita and its WoW counterparts are pretty much exactly the same. I'm not familiar with Wow. Is GÇ£StormwindGÇ¥ and GÇ£OgrimmarGÇ¥ a set of trees at a crossroads? If not, then they're pretty much exactly not the same, because that's all Jita is.
Sebrefa wrote:this apparently didnt work in Jita when the goons over came the concord ships It did, since they didn't.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:34:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Andrey Wartooth wrote:Ocih wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:So what are you proposing? They shoot NPC corp tornado alts on sight? That's how everyone rolls in highsec, right? NPC alts?
Hm, interesting ... Or NAP train members. I was there in the heat of it. It was 70% Test, 15% Goons, 15% FA and other fed alliances. The numbers don't really back up your claims of alliance participation. Numbers can be fudged. When I undocked I set up a reds only overview and with just Goons red, I saw maybe 50 pilots. That number tripled when I added Test to the reds list.
How do you know that your sample is representative of the entire weekend?
Edit: Also, what does GSF stand to gain by fudging any numbers? |
Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:36:00 -
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Elise DarkStar wrote:Ocih wrote:Numbers can be fudged. When I undocked I set up a reds only overview and with just Goons red, I saw maybe 50 pilots. That number tripled when I added Test to the reds list. Could you please share other incidents where your singular anecdotal experience was more significant than collected data. Thanks.
Well you see...Goons. Therefore, always cheating at something. |
Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
321
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:40:00 -
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Andrey Wartooth wrote:Well you see...Goons. Therefore, always cheating at something.
Ah yes, The Goon Conjecture.
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Takseen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:47:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Nephilius wrote:Yeah, because the core issue here was how Jita and Stormwind are different and yet not. Besides the "capital" reference, which really is irrelevent at its core, Jita and its WoW counterparts are pretty much exactly the same. I'm not familiar with Wow. Is GÇ£StormwindGÇ¥ and GÇ£OgrimmarGÇ¥ a set of trees at a crossroads? If not, then they're pretty much exactly not the same, because that's all Jita is.
Yes. Ogrimmar and Stormwind are designated by the devs as trade hubs, because they've got unique NPC vendors you can't find anywhere else.
The Jita 4-4 station has pretty much exactly the same facilities as any other Caldari Navy station in Eve, but developed as the central trade hub organically due to...well I dunno, I assume it was its location between a bunch of busy regions and in a system with a load of stations.
If a massive horde of...well Horde decided to perma-camp Stormwind, they'd be able to lock down quite a few features by repeatedly killing the NPC vendors, even more if they camped the other alliance cities. If a massive horde of nullseccers decided to perma-camp Jita, people can just use one of the other trade hubs. If THOSE all got camped, another trade hub would spring up. |
Katja Norolyev
State War Academy
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.09 22:05:00 -
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Elise DarkStar wrote:Grey Azorria wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:Burn Jita brought many spectators to the system. I'm sure the state made some money off the event through transaction taxes. Except there were fewer transactions during the burn jita thing, so the state lost money. Please disclose your access to the financial reports for the Caldari State so we can all make our own assessment of the impact of Burn Jita on the State's overall finances. Thanks. P.S. Yer ******* dumb.
Jita trade stats from the Devblogs;
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/28130/1/marketorders.png
...how embarrassing. Perhaps you aught to consider having a snack/petting a kitten before posting. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4171
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Posted - 2012.05.09 22:23:00 -
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To be fair they can't even deal with the Sansha
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
321
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Posted - 2012.05.09 22:24:00 -
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Hey, thanks for making a completely nonresponsive post, then acting like you "showed me good". |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
652
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Posted - 2012.05.09 22:26:00 -
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Elise DarkStar wrote:Hey, thanks for making a completely nonresponsive post, then acting like you "showed me good".
He really paid attention to what you were saying there... oh wait nope.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Missile War
Vita Aequitas Veritas
The Paganism Alliance
31
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Posted - 2012.05.09 22:26:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:Does it matter if Jita is the Caldari capital or not? Just saying, any self-respecting nation-state wouldn't let some private alliance have its way within their borders. P.S. Nords! Come out of from behind those hiding places and do battle!  What if 500 NPC corp characters started shooting tornados at freighters? Would that be a more satisfying story?
Yes, I'd love to be able to load tornados into my guns and shoot them at ships. Oh right, that is capital projectile artillery right? (GÇóGÇ+GÇó) |
Shian Yang
96
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Posted - 2012.05.09 22:41:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Does it matter if Jita is the Caldari capital or not? Just saying, any self-respecting nation-state wouldn't let some private alliance have its way within their borders.
Greetings capsuleer,
If I had to guess at the motives of the Caldari nation I would consider the following:
- Capsuleers were fighting each-other
- CONCORD intervenes in those battles
- Jita was not affected or shot at, only other capsuleers
- Trade was impacted
- Replacement of ships, modules and losses massively boosted the subsequent income for the Caldari state
My guess would be that fundamentally the Caldari State is not there to protect capsuleers from other capsuleers. Their interests were not affected long term; in fact the Caldari State is potentially running at a profit from the subsequent replacement, taxes and fees.
Wars are profitable and if someone is not shooting at you, why would the State intervene?
Regards,
Shian Yang |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
652
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Posted - 2012.05.09 22:43:00 -
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Missile War wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:Does it matter if Jita is the Caldari capital or not? Just saying, any self-respecting nation-state wouldn't let some private alliance have its way within their borders. P.S. Nords! Come out of from behind those hiding places and do battle! What if 500 NPC corp characters started shooting tornados at freighters? Would that be a more satisfying story? Yes, I'd love to be able to load tornados into my guns and shoot them at ships. Oh right, that is capital projectile artillery right? (GÇóGÇ+GÇó)
Other than that nyx, you can't really load carriers or supercarriers in highsec.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
287
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Posted - 2012.05.10 01:14:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Speaking in game world / back story terms:
You mean, the Caldari State would just sit back and let a null sec alliance invade and have its way? With the galaxy's biggest trade hub, in Caldari sovereign space? At some point, wouldn't the Caldari Navy have started podding gankers to put a stop to it? Or just shoot any Goon ship on sight, without waiting for it to aggress someone? Same for CONCORD.
Not bitter about Burn Jita, I wasn't there and it looked fun. But it just seems entirely unrealistic in game world / back story terms.
Got my flame resistant suit on, go ahead and get out your flamethrowers....
burn jita drives more traffic into jita.
destroyed vessels increases market demand in jita.
People supplying in jita, sell more goodies, prices soar.
Jita pays more taxes to concord / scc
burn jita is good, caldari and concord will not intervene except where they absolutely have to, in order to save face :)
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Amitious Turkey
The Scope
Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.05.10 03:19:00 -
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Elise DarkStar wrote: Please disclose your access to the financial reports for the Caldari State so we can all make our own assessment of the impact of Burn Jita on the State's overall finances. Thanks.
P.S. Yer ******* dumb.
I'll just leave this here...
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/28130/1/marketorders.png
I like to lick things.
Haunting the forums since 03. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power.
Cascade Imminent
879
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Posted - 2012.05.10 03:32:00 -
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knew OP was in an npc corp by looking at the title |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
360
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Posted - 2012.05.10 03:35:00 -
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Hey, another guy with reading comprehension difficulties.
You should check your local college for adult remedial English classes. Go get 'em, slugger.
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae
ROMANIAN-LEGION
168
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Posted - 2012.05.10 05:07:00 -
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Actually, in the game world it does make perfect sense. There is alot of fluff and stuff, but first, the caldari navy would have trouble countering the assault. They were out shipped and out gunned.
Could get into how concord works, but from my perspective, made sense since they were not targeting civilians or other non capsuleer vessels. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
657
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Posted - 2012.05.10 05:08:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:Hey, another guy with reading comprehension difficulties. You should check your local college for adult remedial English classes. Go get 'em, slugger.
I don't think that will work ...
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Momoyo
Interwebs Cooter Explosion
Fatal Ascension
26
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Posted - 2012.05.10 05:42:00 -
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The empires dont mess with capsuleers. I know thats in the lore somewhere. |
Pertuabo Enkidgan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.05.10 05:45:00 -
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Elise DarkStar wrote:
To put it in simple terms: Jita is not Stormwind/Oggrimar.
mah ***** |
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
75
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Posted - 2012.05.10 06:12:00 -
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I agree with the op.
Caldari state should have been nerfed to misson spec stats and the same for Concord .
That way the players, Concord, and Caldari could have mixed up in Jita, along with the players getting caught up in the cross fire.
it would have been even better if the players conquered Jita and the Caldari would have been forced to try and light a cyno and warp their titan in their in attempt to restore order. with the added bonus their titan was still equipped with a dooms day.
Now that would have been awesome. |
Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2012.05.10 06:27:00 -
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Sri Nova wrote:I agree with the op.
Caldari state should have been nerfed to misson spec stats and the same for Concord .
That way the players, Concord, and Caldari could have mixed up in Jita, along with the players getting caught up in the cross fire.
it would have been even better if the players conquered Jita and the Caldari would have been forced to try and light a cyno and warp their titan in their in attempt to restore order. with the added bonus their titan was still equipped with a dooms day.
Now that would have been awesome.
Maybe when that sexy new Titan destruction animation is released on TQ. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
657
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Posted - 2012.05.10 06:30:00 -
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Andrey Wartooth wrote:Sri Nova wrote:I agree with the op.
Caldari state should have been nerfed to misson spec stats and the same for Concord .
That way the players, Concord, and Caldari could have mixed up in Jita, along with the players getting caught up in the cross fire.
it would have been even better if the players conquered Jita and the Caldari would have been forced to try and light a cyno and warp their titan in their in attempt to restore order. with the added bonus their titan was still equipped with a dooms day.
Now that would have been awesome. Maybe when that sexy new Titan destruction animation is released on TQ.
Wow, I'd love to get on that killmail.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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