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Alice Teal
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Posted - 2009.05.13 06:10:00 -
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In short, the history of thought, of knowledge, of philosophy, of literature seems to be seeking, and discovering, more and more discontinuities, whereas history itself appears to be abandoning the irruption of events in favour of stable structures.
But we must not be taken in by this apparent interchange. Despite appearances, we must not imagine that certain of the historical disciplines have moved from the continuous to the discontinuous, while others have moved from the tangled mass of discontinuities to the great, uninterrupted unities; we must not imagine that in the analysis of politics, institutions, or economics, we have become more and more sensitive to overall determinations, while in the analysis of ideas and of knowledge, we are paying more and more attention to the play of difference; we must not imagine that these two great forms of description have crossed without recognising one another.
Discuss.
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JitaBum
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.05.13 06:45:00 -
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what a load of pretentious ****e
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.05.13 06:56:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 13/05/2009 06:56:08
CCP needs to hire a shrink.
Online wars cause mental problems just like real wars do. 
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari
Yamainu-Mirai Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.13 09:26:00 -
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This dude has one hell of a Thousand Yard Stare.
I can imagine him - staring into space whilst writing this. Like a deer in headlights.
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Malvaceae Veri
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Posted - 2009.05.13 09:34:00 -
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Somebody post the XKCD strip about "how long it takes for certain field to find out I am speaking bull****".
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Alice Teal
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Posted - 2009.05.13 20:37:00 -
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This epistemological mutation of history is not yet complete. But it is not of recent origin either, since its first phase can no doubt be traced back to Marx. But it took a long time to have much effect. Even now - and this is especially true in the case of the history of thought - it has been neither registered nor reflected upon, while other, more recent transformations - those of linguistics, for example - have been. It is as if it was particularly difficult, in the history in which men retrace their own ideas and their own knowledge, to formulate a general theory of discontinuity, of series, of limits, unities, specific orders, and differentiated autonomies and dependences. As if, in that field where we had become used to seeking origins, to pushing back further and further the line of antecedents, to reconstituting traditions, to following evolutive curves, to projecting teleologies, and to having constant recourse to metaphors of life, we felt a particular repugnance to conceiving of difference, to describing separations and dispersions, to dissociating the reassuring form of the identical. Or, to be more precise, as if we found it difficult to construct a theory, to draw general conclusions, and even to derive all the possible implications of these concepts of thresholds, mutations, independent systems, and limited series - in the way in which they had been used in fact by historians. As if we were afraid to conceive of the Other in the time of our own thought.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.13 20:46:00 -
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When faced with something like this, you have several options :
a) you go into "dumb mode" and agree with everything the other guy is saying because you think he has a point but can't follow
b) you smack the other guy upside the head and tell him to speak plainly (or just stop talking), else there's more of it coming his way
c) tell the other guy to stop talking nonsense in such a convoluted way to make himself sound important, because he's just talking bullcrap
Guess which direction I'm leaning towards right now.
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Malvaceae Veri
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Posted - 2009.05.13 20:50:00 -
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:hands Akita a sledgehammer:
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rValdez5987
Amarr
Imperial Guard.
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Posted - 2009.05.13 20:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Akita T
When faced with something like this, you have several options :
a) you go into "dumb mode" and agree with everything the other guy is saying because you think he has a point but can't follow
b) you smack the other guy upside the head and tell him to speak plainly (or just stop talking), else there's more of it coming his way
c) tell the other guy to stop talking nonsense in such a convoluted way to make himself sound important, because he's just talking bullcrap
Guess which direction I'm leaning towards right now.
Im picking option d) Lack of caring
I read what he said. I understand what he said. I don't care about what he said.
Me reading the OP was comparable to finding a discarded letter on the ground, picking it up to throw it away, briefly reading it, and putting it in its proper place in the trash bin. |
Riki Halcyon
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Posted - 2009.05.13 21:00:00 -
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I've been away from college for way too long to digest this post. And as most of the replies are stating, I would rather have this conversation in plain English . . . maybe being at work and trying to read this after a few hours of work is just too hard . . . I can't seem to put 2 and 2 together to come up with a coherent response that actually addresses the ideas in the original post. In short - I would love to understand what you mean to say and contribute to a discussion, but I'm confused. Plain English please.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.13 21:03:00 -
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And this, kids, is why drugs are bad.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.05.13 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Alice Teal
This epistemological mutation of history is not yet complete. ... As if we were afraid to conceive of the Other in the time of our own thought.
I disagree, but I like the last sentence.
Whoever wrote this, I doubt it was you Alice, is very close to the truth without being able to comprehend it himself.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.13 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: rValdez5987
I read what he said. I understand what he said. I don't care about what he said.
More like, read it, understood, but (partially) disagree with what he's (apparently) saying, find it (largely) irrelevant to begin with, and think he presented it in an excessively pretentious manner which makes it annoying to follow without some (granted, rather small) amount of effort.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.13 21:19:00 -
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Here was me thinking the OP was using a random sentence generator.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.13 21:20:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 13/05/2009 21:21:43
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Here was me thinking the OP was using a random sentence generator.
If he was, it was a rather lucky roll 
Maybe it's not a random paragraph generator, but a random paragraph obfuscator ? 
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.13 21:24:00 -
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Nah, turns out he's just quoting a book...
"Archaeology of knowledge", by Michel Foucault and Alan Sheridan.
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Riki Halcyon
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Posted - 2009.05.13 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
And this, kids, is why drugs are bad.
lol
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.13 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Nah, turns out he's just quoting a book...
"Archaeology of knowledge", by Michel Foucault and Alan Sheridan.
I was just about to say that and post the link. Either that or cut and paste the next paragraph and throw him off. I caught him on his cut and pasting in the 3 word story thread.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.05.13 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Alice Teal
This epistemological mutation of history is not yet complete. ... As if we were afraid to conceive of the Other in the time of our own thought.
I disagree, but I like the last sentence.
Whoever wrote this, I doubt it was you Alice, is very close to the truth without being able to comprehend it himself.
It's existentialist feminism. Or possibly phenomenological feminism.
Which means I give up. Existentialism and phenomenologicalism only makes sense to existentialists and phenomenologists.
Outside their sphere of truth it's nonsense.
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Malvaceae Veri
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Posted - 2009.05.13 21:36:00 -
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There you go, you have unearthed the basic flaw of exsistencialist approaches.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.05.13 21:36:00 -
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Edited by: Nomakai Delateriel on 13/05/2009 21:37:13
***nvm***
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.05.13 21:50:00 -
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Existentialists, do they really exist?
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Malvaceae Veri
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Posted - 2009.05.13 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Existentialists, do they really exist?
Define existence.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.05.13 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Malvaceae Veri
Define existence.
There is no need. Existence defines itself.
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Malvaceae Veri
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Posted - 2009.05.13 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Malvaceae Veri
Define existence.
There is no need. Existence defines itself.
Really? Is your existence a real one, or is it merely a self-halucination induced by the a priori subconscious "knowledge" fed into you? Does any a posteriory knowledge and experience really jutify calling yourself "exsistant"?
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Alena Lemming
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Posted - 2009.05.13 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Reven Cordelle
This dude has one hell of a Thousand Yard Stare.
I can imagine him - staring into space whilst writing this. Like a deer in headlights.
Would that be the Deer that headbutted my car recently at a speed of 22m/s.
the deer came off worse than my car
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Riki Halcyon
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Posted - 2009.05.13 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Malvaceae Veri
Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Malvaceae Veri
Define existence.
There is no need. Existence defines itself.
Really? Is your existence a real one, or is it merely a self-halucination induced by the a priori subconscious "knowledge" fed into you? Does any a posteriory knowledge and experience really jutify calling yourself "exsistant"?
Smash your thumb with a hammer. That s**t exists, aight! Trust me, it does.
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Malvaceae Veri
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Posted - 2009.05.13 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Riki Halcyon
Originally by: Malvaceae Veri
Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Malvaceae Veri
Define existence.
There is no need. Existence defines itself.
Really? Is your existence a real one, or is it merely a self-halucination induced by the a priori subconscious "knowledge" fed into you? Does any a posteriory knowledge and experience really jutify calling yourself "exsistant"?
Smash your thumb with a hammer. That s**t exists, aight! Trust me, it does.
Is the pain you feel not simply a feeling you expect to be feeling because you have been drilled to feel said pain?
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Riki Halcyon
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Posted - 2009.05.13 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Nah, turns out he's just quoting a book...
"Archaeology of knowledge", by Michel Foucault and Alan Sheridan.
That's too funny. I started reading this book years ago. Loved the introduction, the basic idea that modern medicine is no more complicated than simple observation of phenomena. Anyways, I never did finish reading it. And I am in no way in the right frame of mind to read it now (obvious by my earlier posts).
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.05.13 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Malvaceae Veri
Really? Is your existence a real one, or is it merely a self-halucination induced by the a priori subconscious "knowledge" fed into you? Does any a posteriory knowledge and experience really jutify calling yourself "exsistant"?
Sure it is a real one and I am pretty sure that it does require a body and a DNA to exists as a human.
And even if I would not exist, I still feel pretty good. Especially when I am rubbing that thing between my legs. Oh yes ... 
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