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synK Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.05.13 16:35:00 - [1] hey, ive used the search, as usual, it sucks, no thread titles etc, cant find what i want. im looking to get a tengu, mainly for lvl 4 missions in motsu (for now ) so can i get some help with some setups? looking for a decent tank and to be able to fit my T2 Heavy's. i use a nighthawk usually so comparable to that would be nice. thanks guys. synK this is my sig
Gul Rashen Perkone	Posted - 2009.05.13 16:39:00 - [2] [Tengu, Gul's] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Ballistic Deflection Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Electronics - Obfuscation Manifold Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.05.13 16:45:00 - [3] If you use a Nighthawk why would you ever want to DOWNGRADE to a Tengu ? EVE issues\|Mining revamp\|Build stuff\|Make ISK
synK Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.05.13 16:51:00 - [4] because its a GAME and i want to have FUN playing this GAME this is my sig
fuxinos Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm	Posted - 2009.05.13 16:56:00 - [5] Originally by: Akita T If you use a Nighthawk why would you ever want to DOWNGRADE to a Tengu ? Tengu <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Nighthawk
Grann Thefauto Internal Anarchy	Posted - 2009.05.13 17:07:00 - [6] If you got one you may as well whip it out and wave it around.
synK Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.05.13 17:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Grann Thefauto If you got one you may as well whip it out and wave it around. Exactly :P this is my sig
IceCreamMonster	Posted - 2009.05.13 17:17:00 - [8] [Tengu, Bullseye] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II (Terror Rage Assault) Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II (Terror Rage Assault) Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II (Terror Rage Assault) Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II (Terror Rage Assault) Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II (Terror Rage Assault) Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Engineering - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst I'm got everything except the rigs. Throws 800+ dps out to 50km (with impants), 800+ dps omni tank (perma, use crystal for better results) 600+m/s with AB (perma) Not ridiculously expensive, only the booster.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.05.13 17:26:00 - [9] Downgrade? It's faster, does more dps, fits a stronger active tank, and actually has the grid to handle pvp. Only thing the nighthawk does better is gang boost and passive tank.
Akroma Wrathbringer Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.13 17:26:00 - [10] Anyone use the Tengu for cloaking? Can I get a setup request for that as well?

Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.05.13 17:27:00 - [11] Originally by: synK because its a GAME and i want to have FUN playing this GAME Well then, if it's a GAME you want to have FUN playing, you might also have FUN playing it by flying that Tengu with whatever fit you feel like fitting on it FOR FUN instead of asking for a "good setup" over here. Because when you come here and ask for a setup, people like me assume you want PERFORMANCE instead of FUN, and if it's FUN you want you maybe should have mentioned that too. Here's how your OP should have read: "hey, I've almost used the search, but then I remembered I never find anything so I'd thought I'd just make a new thread I have way too much ISK and plan to blow some off by buying a Tengu, to fly with it as a joke into L4 missions in the laggiest hellhole of the game I have absolutely no clue what I want except that maybe I'd prefer to not die very fast, and everything else is irrelevant because I just want to flaunt it as a highly visible e-peen before it gets suicide-ganked or something I already have a NH, but I never actually considered making almost exactly the same fit on the Tengu since I haven't bought one yet, oh and could you tell me which subsystems I should buy too ?" Or something like that... if I understood what you just said correctly. EVE issues\|Mining revamp\|Build stuff\|Make ISK
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.05.13 17:37:00 - [12] Originally by: Akita T Faster, yes. And you forgot smaller. More DPS, hell no. NH outdamages it at max skills if you also consider the drones' damage. Stronger tank, meh, arguable. Sig damage reduction WOULD play a large role, so in the end, I'd grant you it can tank better. And he's not using it for PVP. Tengu pulls ahead in dps with 2 damage mods.
IceCreamMonster	Posted - 2009.05.13 17:37:00 - [13] Edited by: IceCreamMonster on 13/05/2009 17:38:18 Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 13/05/2009 17:32:58 More DPS, hell no. Check out my setup with Heavy Assault with range extension rigs and see if you agree.. I can squeeze in a Heavy Assault fit on the NH with range rigs, but I won't have the reach like Tengu....
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.05.13 17:44:00 - [14] RAW numbers, you are correct, and I have ammended that in the post above. The problem is, if you go with HAMLs or with fury heavies, you get some pretty serious damage reduction coming in, and the NH gets up to 25% better mitigation from the expvelo bonus which you DON'T get on the Tengu, and a single painter WON'T fully compensate for without it. Also, unless you're always hitting kin-weak enemies (which arguably you could most of the time, but I bet you can't avoid each and every rogue drone, sansha and blood raider mission), the drones make quite a big difference in effective DPS applied too. EVE issues\|Mining revamp\|Build stuff\|Make ISK
IceCreamMonster	Posted - 2009.05.13 17:54:00 - [15] Originally by: Akita T RAW numbers, you are correct, and I have ammended that in the post above. The problem is, if you go with HAMLs or with fury heavies, you get some pretty serious damage reduction coming in, and the NH gets up to 25% better mitigation from the expvelo bonus which you DON'T get on the Tengu, and a single painter WON'T fully compensate for without it. Also, unless you're always hitting kin-weak enemies (which arguably you could most of the time, but I bet you can't avoid each and every rogue drone, sansha and blood raider mission), the drones make quite a big difference in effective DPS applied too. While NH does have an advantage on small targets, Heavy Assault Missile isn't exactly ineffective on them like torp is. I, myself, am more concerned about taking down the BS where RAW damage does apply with HML and HAM. NH tend to waste most of it's time wearing down the tanked BSs Not going to get into an argument on which is the ultimate mission runner, but Tengu is certainly not a downgrade IMO.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.05.13 17:54:00 - [16] Just for the record: [Tengu, l4] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile Capacitor Control Circuit II Capacitor Control Circuit II Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.05.13 18:01:00 - [17] Originally by: IceCreamMonster While NH does have an advantage on small targets, Heavy Assault Missile isn't exactly ineffective on them like torp is. I, myself, am more concerned about taking down the BS where RAW damage does apply with HML and HAM. NH tend to waste most of it's time wearing down the tanked BSs When you don't have any drones AT ALL and you're firing HAMs at frigates and destroyers, you WILL lose just about as much time on them as you would lose with the NH on the larger targets considering the typical L4 mission make-up. Ok, maybe I was a bit too hasty, and it's not _exactly_ a downgrade, in some missions you might be better off. But I still stand by my conclusion that NH would do better _overall_ in spite of worse raw figures. And it's much, much cheaper. EVE issues\|Mining revamp\|Build stuff\|Make ISK
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.05.13 18:10:00 - [18] Btw, the tengu has a stronger rof bonus which means it actually comes out farther ahead on missions where they aren't weak to kin. Doubling your damage by hitting their weakest resist is well worth losing the 25% kin bonus.


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