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Qurian
Combat Industries Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.13 23:02:00 -
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Edited by: Qurian on 13/05/2009 23:03:26 to make a very long and annoying story short - over the last month I have lost 5 ships, all mining barges - 1 from .3 solo mining (I blame only myself) but 4 were from gate campers and so my question: I'm sure to all established pirates this question will seem dumb and naieve BUT! Is all that probably 70% of the "pirate" community care about low sec rating and high bounty? because I hear lots about pvp and such but I also hear lots about big bad ass battleships or dreadnaughts etc just totally raping someone in an Osprey or any other from of ship that will obviously have NO chance of survival. I personally being a semi-carebear see no productivity in the senseless and useless killing of other players and without even looting or salvaging it clouds my vision even more. enlighten me? Qurian - [Combat.Industries.Corporation] |
Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.05.13 23:05:00 -
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It's all about blowing stuff up. That's sort of the long and short of it. Killing barges and things are just to fill the time between trying to find a fight against other PvPers. I'd imagine most pirate organizations are at odds with other pirates in the same area. We are. But pirates don't have the endless ISK reserves of nullsec alliances so these pirate v. pirate battles aren't something that get done full-time.
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Qurian
Combat Industries Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.13 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum It's all about blowing stuff up. That's sort of the long and short of it. Killing barges and things are just to fill the time between trying to find a fight against other PvPers. I'd imagine most pirate organizations are at odds with other pirates in the same area. We are. But pirates don't have the endless ISK reserves of nullsec alliances so these pirate v. pirate battles aren't something that get done full-time.
even with that being said I just flat out don't understand why they just kill **** XD and you said they don't have endless ISK reserves so why not even loot or ATLEAST salvage?
Qurian - [Combat.Industries.Corporation] |
Misanth
The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.05.13 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Qurian even with that being said I just flat out don't understand why they just kill **** XD and you said they don't have endless ISK reserves so why not even loot or ATLEAST salvage?
Can only speak for myself;
Most mining ships, especially in low sec, tend to have fittings that isn't worth looting. The probability of me running around in PvP ships with a salvager isn't very high either, since I do tend to like having other modules in that utility high. Neut, in particular, cloak would be enother, an offline remote rep mod is a third choice, etc. Salvager has low prio.
As for killing ships that cannot fight back, well that makes perfect sense in many ways. First off, in PvP there's alot of time spent where you don't get a fight for various reasons. Killing anything means you get action. Second off, killing miners affect the market. It's more a tool for big alliances in 0.0 than pirates, but killing haulers and freighters is definately a war over assets that does affect the bigger politics/economics. A third reason is simply killboard padding. It adds up as kill on your kb, who cares what it is. And a fourth can be simply grief. I've killed a couple of few day olds in frigates in lowsec, and suicide killed people in Jita, just to **** them off. No profit for me, just a sec drop.
Looking for reason for slaughter = won't happen. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Morgan Raj
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.05.13 23:22:00 -
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I like to taste stale noob tears on my tash in the morning.
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Lord Windu
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.05.13 23:23:00 -
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Pirates will kill anyone who is a viable target, so if you are going around low-sec in your Osprey or barge etc then they are going to obviously go and try to kill you, why wouldn't they I mean after all you are a pretty explosion waiting to happen.
As for pirates killing people who have no chance of coming out on top, well that's pvp, being better equipped / skilled than the opposition.
Oh and as for them not looting and salvaging your wrecks, well they probably check the contents of the wreck and if you just have crap in their then they may just prefer to save the space in their cargo holds for something better later on, and the salvage from a retriever, osprey etc is going to be pretty crappy probably.
☺ A Kirra Liu Presentation. Will give cyber for GTC ☺ |
Qurian
Combat Industries Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.13 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Qurian even with that being said I just flat out don't understand why they just kill **** XD and you said they don't have endless ISK reserves so why not even loot or ATLEAST salvage?
Can only speak for myself;
Most mining ships, especially in low sec, tend to have fittings that isn't worth looting. The probability of me running around in PvP ships with a salvager isn't very high either, since I do tend to like having other modules in that utility high. Neut, in particular, cloak would be enother, an offline remote rep mod is a third choice, etc. Salvager has low prio.
As for killing ships that cannot fight back, well that makes perfect sense in many ways. First off, in PvP there's alot of time spent where you don't get a fight for various reasons. Killing anything means you get action. Second off, killing miners affect the market. It's more a tool for big alliances in 0.0 than pirates, but killing haulers and freighters is definately a war over assets that does affect the bigger politics/economics. A third reason is simply killboard padding. It adds up as kill on your kb, who cares what it is. And a fourth can be simply grief. I've killed a couple of few day olds in frigates in lowsec, and suicide killed people in Jita, just to **** them off. No profit for me, just a sec drop.
Looking for reason for slaughter = won't happen.
:P okay well that makes NO logical sense to me but I guess we are two different sides of the game thanks for the feed back appreciate it. Qurian - [Combat.Industries.Corporation] |
Qurian
Combat Industries Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.13 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Windu Pirates will kill anyone who is a viable target, so if you are going around low-sec in your Osprey or barge etc then they are going to obviously go and try to kill you, why wouldn't they I mean after all you are a pretty explosion waiting to happen.
As for pirates killing people who have no chance of coming out on top, well that's pvp, being better equipped / skilled than the opposition.
Oh and as for them not looting and salvaging your wrecks, well they probably check the contents of the wreck and if you just have crap in their then they may just prefer to save the space in their cargo holds for something better later on, and the salvage from a retriever, osprey etc is going to be pretty crappy probably.
sounds a bit single sided to be pvp - sounds more like ganking if you ask me Qurian - [Combat.Industries.Corporation] |
Misanth
The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.05.13 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Qurian sounds a bit single sided to be pvp - sounds more like ganking if you ask me
Same goes in 0.0 fleet warfare, and empire wars. One side has better intel/setups/discipline than the other. Or more numbers. Or some other reason. Alot of 1v1's are dishonoured, etc.
There's extremely little PvP in EVE that isn't ganking. The normal way to fight here is to make sure you got the upperhand and simply *****slap whoever you fight.
- I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Qurian
Combat Industries Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.13 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Qurian sounds a bit single sided to be pvp - sounds more like ganking if you ask me
Same goes in 0.0 fleet warfare, and empire wars. One side has better intel/setups/discipline than the other. Or more numbers. Or some other reason. Alot of 1v1's are dishonoured, etc.
There's extremely little PvP in EVE that isn't ganking. The normal way to fight here is to make sure you got the upperhand and simply *****slap whoever you fight.
shame shame sadly I'm sure your true. Qurian - [Combat.Industries.Corporation] |
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance Blackguard Coalition
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Posted - 2009.05.14 00:24:00 -
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We kill for the pretty explosions and killboard padding. Sometimes we even get a good fight against anti-pirates or other pirates who enter our area. Its not about the money too much, but some can make it profitable.
I have a carebear alt, and many pirates have trader alts for income.
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K1RTH G3RS3N
Haunted House BROTHERS GRIM.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 01:13:00 -
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i was going to make this short but i got carried away
its a game - watching ships go pop is fun... listening to people cry over teh spaceships is often humorous. you never know, that lame ass frigate the so called honorable people would leave alive might be carrying BPO's. but it doesn't stop there, that's not the only form of piracy... im losing the rush of eve, just popping randoms doesn't do it for me anymore - so like many before me i have made an alt on a separate account with a clean history and industry/trade/production skills to become a member of industry corps, eventually get roles and clean the place out. maybe it'll be your corp? send me 200mil to this toon and i will make sure it isn't.
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Jonny 101
Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Qurian Edited by: Qurian on 13/05/2009 23:03:26 to make a very long and annoying story short - over the last month I have lost 5 ships, all mining barges - 1 from .3 solo mining (I blame only myself) but 4 were from gate campers and so my question: I'm sure to all established pirates this question will seem dumb and naieve BUT! Is all that probably 70% of the "pirate" community care about low sec rating and high bounty? because I hear lots about pvp and such but I also hear lots about big bad ass battleships or dreadnaughts etc just totally raping someone in an Osprey or any other from of ship that will obviously have NO chance of survival. I personally being a semi-carebear see no productivity in the senseless and useless killing of other players and without even looting or salvaging it clouds my vision even more. enlighten me?
Some times when i'm on an alt flying through high sec or just sitting in some random public channel killing time, some newbie who doesn't know better will insult me or say something that annoys me.
I then promptly set aside a few hundred million isk and dedicate a few days to griefing him using the time honored tools of: Infiltration, mercenaries, theft and similar.
It usually ends in said newbie quitting eve.
Why do I do this?
Because it's fun.
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Caeltrayian
Monsters The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.05.14 12:26:00 -
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My precious he stolez it! o/ K1RTH
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Absalom Marathon
The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.05.14 12:41:00 -
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I kill so the elephants inside my eyes go away for a while. Also, what Dirk said. We live right next to him and his crez and I have exactly the same approach to the game as he does.
The following thing is the stuff I do in eve: a. PVP b. Semi pvp = gankfleet c. Missions d. True gank e. Sit in station watchin my hangar f. Explore g. Chat w my ****** friends in ADHD
I would rank them this way: 1. PVP 2. Semi pvp 3. True gank 4. Explore 5. Chat w my ****** friends in ADHD 6. Sit in station 7. Missions
The equation is easy, you see? I rather gank stuff than do nothing if it's a slow hour.
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Absalom Marathon
The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.05.14 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Absalom Marathon I kill so the elephants inside my eyes go away for a while. Also, what Dirk said. We live right next to him and his crew and I have exactly the same approach to the game as he does.
The following thing is the stuff I do in eve: a. PVP b. Semi pvp = gankfleet c. Missions d. True gank e. Sit in station watchin my hangar f. Explore g. Chat w my ****** friends in ADHD
I would rank them this way: 1. PVP 2. Semi pvp 3. True gank 4. Explore 5. Chat w my ****** friends in ADHD 6. Sit in station 7. Missions
The equation is easy, you see? I rather gank stuff than do nothing if it's a slow hour.
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Cyrdax
Altruism. Avarice.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Windu the salvage from a retriever, osprey etc is going to be pretty crappy probably.
metal scraps every ****ing time god damn
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Lisento Slaven
The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2009.05.14 13:34:00 -
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I kill everything. Even corp members sometimes.
But if you're not looting the wrecks when you are capable of doing so, then you're in it just to kill stuff. Just like an arcade game. Or maybe you're practicing...
I just shoot everything though. It is like an automatic response now:
"Omen coming through the gate...activate guns...there he decloaked...point-point-point...Omen down...get the pod get the pod...*goes back to eating burger king*..." ---
Put in space whales!
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Cyrdax
Altruism. Avarice.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 13:51:00 -
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i fit my dictors with salvagers. dictors have huge cargo space that mostly doesn't get used and dictor dps isn't really that great, so there's really nothing better to put in your high slots. salvaging after large fights, especially t2 salvage, is a good way to pay for new dictors real quick
--- tv where the horn go, boy can you top that? |
Kale Kold
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 17:33:00 -
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To make money being a pirate you have to gank the living **** out of every single ship that comes within range. You'd be surprised what we find on noob/mining ships and shuttles!
If you have crap stuff fitted we don't usually take it because we need to keep room for decent stuff later on.
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Cyrdax
Altruism. Avarice.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kale Kold You'd be surprised what we find on noob/mining ships and shuttles!
truth
--- tv where the horn go, boy can you top that? |
Zedrik Cayne
Gallente Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2009.05.14 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Cyrdax
Originally by: Kale Kold You'd be surprised what we find on noob/mining ships and shuttles!
truth
Dude..your killboard is borked to hell. --
Originally by: "RedSplat" You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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Cyrdax
Altruism. Avarice.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 17:49:00 -
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it's not mine
--- tv where the horn go, boy can you top that? |
Zedrik Cayne
Gallente Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2009.05.14 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Cyrdax it's not mine
Okay..their killboard is borked to hell --
Originally by: "RedSplat" You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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Cyrdax
Altruism. Avarice.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 18:08:00 -
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confirmed. they have a new one somewhere but that's just where i remember seeing that mail
srsly who carries a supercap blueprint around in a ceptor and then pvps
--- tv where the horn go, boy can you top that? |
Drake San'gue
Minmatar Hate Incorporated Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.05.14 21:31:00 -
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All PvP in EVE, especially piracy though, is about being opportunistic. If you see a easy kill you take it, that's really the only rule of PvP in the game. As for not looting, some corps only loot good stuff and some loot every little thing they can. ISK can be hard to come by for a pirate and most take every little thing they can. EVE however is also the capital for griefers in the gaming universe due to their lax rules and complete focus on PvP. These people are out there only looking for the easy kills, snatch a few ships and run out before a real fight comes about.
But it doesn't really matter, a loss is a loss no matter who you got killed by. You should know that if you enter low sec you have a good chance of dying because that's where the PvPers, pirates, and griefers all mass at. Personally I'm not sure why you're trying to mine in low sec anyways, the risk vs. reward in horribly tilted towards the risk and the same profit can be made in a high sec belt without the risk of losing a ship.
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