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Lady Spank
Amarr
Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.05.15 11:46:00 -
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I'll concede it's a progressive concept. One can dream.
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.05.15 11:47:00 -
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Pop toast.
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Misanth
The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies
Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.05.15 11:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Neacail
Originally by: Misanth
Do you really expect people to activate their brains before/when getting on the internet
Do you really expect people to activate their brains anywhere? I don't.
Fair enough, internet just makes the cause vs effect ratio increase to FAILSAUCE levels.
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Lord Excruxius
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Posted - 2009.05.15 11:53:00 -
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Idea: Maybe people would venture out into low-sec more if you "pvpers" (what i mean to say is noob chasers) wouldnt be so ruthless. I mean when you blow up a ship, demand a ransom for letting the pod go, then blow up the pod anyway, how can you sit and complain that no one wants to leave the "carebear" zone? I mean if there's no people out there anymore... its cuz yall ran them off.
Just a thought tho, what do i know
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iPedo
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.05.15 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Excruxius
Idea: Maybe people would venture out into low-sec more if you "pvpers" (what i mean to say is noob chasers) wouldnt be so ruthless. I mean when you blow up a ship, demand a ransom for letting the pod go, then blow up the pod anyway, how can you sit and complain that no one wants to leave the "carebear" zone? I mean if there's no people out there anymore... its cuz yall ran them off.
Just a thought tho, what do i know
Its more of a 50/50 reason ....lvl 4s and the whole blowey up ransom pod thingy.
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Misanth
The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies
Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.05.15 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Excruxius
Idea: Maybe people would venture out into low-sec more if you "pvpers" (what i mean to say is noob chasers) wouldnt be so ruthless. I mean when you blow up a ship, demand a ransom for letting the pod go, then blow up the pod anyway, how can you sit and complain that no one wants to leave the "carebear" zone? I mean if there's no people out there anymore... its cuz yall ran them off.
Just a thought tho, what do i know
If the 0.0 blobs didn't so efficiently kill off all small scale PvP, maybe the small scale PvPers didn't have to so efficiently 'farm' low sec instead?
If CCP didn't keep getting new customers, maybe we could have a fairly deserted low sec like we did several years ago?
If I didn't post this, maybe my pasta wouldn't be overcooked?
Anyway; efficient killing is a result of previous EVE-history. It was less FotM-fits, less blob, less camps, once upon a day.. then EVE got more players, people learned from more experienced ones, tactics got ninjaed from those that had results, whatever. Evolution.
There's no simple reason, or solution, to small scale low sec PvP. Say, even if CCP magicly did something that suddenly gave low sec lots of lone targets in lowsec, you don't think lowsec suddenly would be crowded with PvP blobs looking for them? And blobs to fight off the other blobs? And more blobs to outblob the coalition of blobs, and..
There's no simple answers.
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Lord Excruxius
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Posted - 2009.05.15 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Lord Excruxius
Idea: Maybe people would venture out into low-sec more if you "pvpers" (what i mean to say is noob chasers) wouldnt be so ruthless. I mean when you blow up a ship, demand a ransom for letting the pod go, then blow up the pod anyway, how can you sit and complain that no one wants to leave the "carebear" zone? I mean if there's no people out there anymore... its cuz yall ran them off.
Just a thought tho, what do i know
If the 0.0 blobs didn't so efficiently kill off all small scale PvP, maybe the small scale PvPers didn't have to so efficiently 'farm' low sec instead?
If CCP didn't keep getting new customers, maybe we could have a fairly deserted low sec like we did several years ago?
If I didn't post this, maybe my pasta wouldn't be overcooked?
Anyway; efficient killing is a result of previous EVE-history. It was less FotM-fits, less blob, less camps, once upon a day.. then EVE got more players, people learned from more experienced ones, tactics got ninjaed from those that had results, whatever. Evolution.
There's no simple reason, or solution, to small scale low sec PvP. Say, even if CCP magicly did something that suddenly gave low sec lots of lone targets in lowsec, you don't think lowsec suddenly would be crowded with PvP blobs looking for them? And blobs to fight off the other blobs? And more blobs to outblob the coalition of blobs, and..
There's no simple answers.
Well yall always have the option of coming out of low sec to hunt, or you guys could try mining all of the highsec areas out by mid-day forcing people to seek new places to mine, or the easiest option do nothing and just deal with it. Either way I feel i should tell you your noodles are done
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Misanth
The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies
Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.05.15 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Excruxius
Well yall always have the option of coming out of low sec to hunt, or you guys could try mining all of the highsec areas out by mid-day forcing people to seek new places to mine, or the easiest option do nothing and just deal with it. Either way I feel i should tell you your noodles are done
The main thing is; the suggestion in the OP has been suggested a million times over. Honestly it's just alot of whining and crap posting from people with no clue, half of it probably trolling, half of it ignorance. Which is why anyone who want to discuss this seriously will shoot themselves in the foot..
We can just look at it this way:
* Is low sec deserted? Some claim it lacks targets. I don't know wtf they are on about tbh, one of my alts hardly go anywhere but low sec and there's plenty of targets. It's more an issue that there's blobs here and there so it's kinda hard to solo, but that's no different than 0.0 warfare or wars in Empire..
..and since some people want to blame lv4's in Empire for the shortage of low-sec targets, we have to ask this as well:
* Is lv4's in highsec unreasonable profitable? Well, they are reasonable safe. Wardecs and suicide kills work, but has its own limits. It's also fairly easy to run them solo with low skills, unlike how they worked years ago (nerfed lv4, lower t2 prices, experience/guides, introduction of rigs etc). The profit is high compared to low sec ratting and high-/lowsec solo mining. But same time, any somewhat dedicated player makes more money multi-account mining in 0.0, or run lv4's in 0.0, or rat in 0.0, than they'd do from lv4 in highsec. And exploration in low sec > lv4 in highsec, while exploratin in 0.0 > them both.
- I.e., the lv4 income in highsec is reasonably balanced vs 0.0, and exploration has a good income balance level between the three sec 'areas'. So the issue in income here is that ratting/mining is paying off too low in high/lowsec vs 0.0?
With less travel (JF/Carrier logistics) through low sec the only real targets is other low sec inhibitants. Incentitives for carebears in lowsec is limited, but the bloblike PvP, and the way-too-secure logistics seems alot more reasonable explanations to shortage of low-sec PvP, than the incomes from NPCing in highsec.
Point? It makes more sense to post sarcastic replies to these kind of threads than to answer them seriously. Partially because it's been done over and over, partially because it's never as easy as it seems to be.
TL;DR - Because of CONCORD.
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.05.15 12:34:00 -
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Nerf pasta I heard it overheats too well
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Misanth
The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies
Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.05.15 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
Nerf pasta I heard it overheats too well
I train speed-posting to lv4 and got back in time to save it (this time). Clearly it could use a boost tho. 
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Flying ZombieJesus
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Posted - 2009.05.15 13:40:00 -
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I'm happy lowsec is empty or near empty. This allows me to plex there in my various AB failfits without having to worry about getting jumped.
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.05.15 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Flying ZombieJesus
I'm happy lowsec is empty or near empty. This allows me to plex there in my various AB failfits without having to worry about getting jumped.
"I'm pretty sure I know where the scumbag is located"
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Desdemonic
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Posted - 2009.05.15 14:32:00 -
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From my perspective, being a new player, low-sec has lost all appeal. When i first joined it sounded so exciting and win-filled that i couldn't wait to jump in a frigate and go on an adventure (ending in shrapnel), and just meet the 'locals', maybe shoot a few miners.
This all changed quickly. Over the space of a month of jumping through endless systems, 0.4-0.1, inhabited by myself, and a few afk's in station, I gave up.
It's sad, because know i have to afk level 4's in my Domi. I'm close to not re-subbing.
So my solution to CCP, is to reduce the amount of low-sec systems. Less systems equals a higher player concentration, i.e more fun. That's just what we need, fun.
Real pirates shouldn't be whining, they should be raping and pillaging.
And that is my message to CCP.
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.05.15 15:40:00 -
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Desdemonic your the problem not the solution.
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Desdemonic
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Posted - 2009.05.15 16:06:00 -
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As a player, I am a problem.
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Lian Xander
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.05.15 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Desdemonic
So my solution to CCP, is to reduce the amount of low-sec systems. Less systems equals a higher player concentration, i.e more fun. That's just what we need, fun.
And how should CCP explain the sudden disappearance of said systems. Last time I checked, most of these systems had planets and stations and such ... there is a back story to EvE that you may not see in the first person; just read the Chronicles .... maybe wormholes should now become blackholes and "eat" these systems? No ... no ... that's just dumb - I know, leave it the way it is.
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Desdemonic
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Posted - 2009.05.15 16:14:00 -
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Valid point, but it's a means to the end.
Besides, it could bring about an awesome event.
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Thea Arsoniztik
Red Tides
Viewer Discretion Advised
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Posted - 2009.05.15 16:36:00 -
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Posting in a Varesk thread.
Hey Varesk o/
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Doomicon
Neo Genesis Dominion
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Posted - 2009.05.15 19:16:00 -
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I agree with Desdemonic, that lowsec has lost it's appeal.
I am also a relatively new player. I moved out to lowsec for a month.
I was bored. Solo, as a low SP player you don't qualify for any decent lowsec corp. I really was excited, but after spending 90% of my time cursing the results of my directional scanner, I packed up and begrudgingly left.
The only good thing about lowsec was the cool mofoez I met out there.
I'll give it another go when I hit 10mil SP, find a decent Pirate Corp or become a nameless drone in the 0.0 Alliance Machine and shoot at a POS for hours on end
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