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Infected Cure
Caldari
The Diamond Age
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Posted - 2009.05.15 18:36:00 -
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With the new 'color' changes last nite we had a two instances of friendly fire - shooting fellow milita members - one time in fleet, once with a pilot who happened to not be in fleet.
If you are in milita please make sure you add the Militia column to your overview so you can see if someone is in your milita or not.
Shooting fellow Militia members will reduce your faction standings and could lower it to the point you get kicked outta FW.
THANK YOU
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2009.05.15 18:39:00 -
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Why is someone in your fleet showing up at all?
 Originally by: CCP Oveur
The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Mikael Mechka
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Posted - 2009.05.15 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Infected Cure
With the new 'color' changes last nite we had a two instances of friendly fire - shooting fellow milita members - one time in fleet, once with a pilot who happened to not be in fleet.
If you are in milita please make sure you add the Militia column to your overview so you can see if someone is in your milita or not.
Shooting fellow Militia members will reduce your faction standings and could lower it to the point you get kicked outta FW.
THANK YOU
Wouldn't a better idea be to use the colour tags? Not to mention having a specific pvp (or FW as it is in this case) tab that only shows hostiles (and possibly neutrals depending on your policies). Friendlies shouldn't be showing on your overview unless you are providing some form of logistics to someone, even then, have that in a separate tab as well.
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Originally by: Lana Torrin
I just reported you for being informative in a troll thread. Please leave.
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Shun Makoto
Caldari
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.05.15 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Anubis Xian
Why is someone in your fleet showing up at all?
Because of CCP's brilliant idea of resetting the overview settings that everyone had.
Everyone give props to the devs for that brilliant move.
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rogertherabbit
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Posted - 2009.05.15 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Shun Makoto
Originally by: Anubis Xian
Why is someone in your fleet showing up at all?
Because of CCP's brilliant idea of resetting the overview settings that everyone had.
Everyone give props to the devs for that brilliant move.
OH NOES. I hope you demanded ccp give you back the 5 mins of you time you lost 
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2009.05.15 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Shun Makoto
Originally by: Anubis Xian
Why is someone in your fleet showing up at all?
Because of CCP's brilliant idea of resetting the overview settings that everyone had.
Everyone give props to the devs for that brilliant move.
When has that NOT happened after a patch?
Originally by: CCP Oveur
The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2009.05.15 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Anubis Xian
When has that NOT happened after a patch?
Every patch in the last year, until this one.
Is there anything else I can help you with?
-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2009.05.15 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: rogertherabbit
OH NOES. I hope you demanded ccp give you back the 5 mins of you time you lost
It wouldn't be so bad if you could adjust overview settings while docked in station. Imagine you're at a 0.0 outpost, or a 0.0 NPC station when a patch comes, now you must undock into hostile space with the overview screwed up. Maybe you're camped, maybe you're not, but if you want to engage the camp, your effed up overview is a handicap.
-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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macsimum
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Posted - 2009.05.16 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Originally by: rogertherabbit
OH NOES. I hope you demanded ccp give you back the 5 mins of you time you lost
It wouldn't be so bad if you could adjust overview settings while docked in station. Imagine you're at a 0.0 outpost, or a 0.0 NPC station when a patch comes, now you must undock into hostile space with the overview screwed up. Maybe you're camped, maybe you're not, but if you want to engage the camp, your effed up overview is a handicap.
^ Mr. Herschel has a valid point.
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2009.05.16 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: macsimum
Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Originally by: rogertherabbit
OH NOES. I hope you demanded ccp give you back the 5 mins of you time you lost
It wouldn't be so bad if you could adjust overview settings while docked in station. Imagine you're at a 0.0 outpost, or a 0.0 NPC station when a patch comes, now you must undock into hostile space with the overview screwed up. Maybe you're camped, maybe you're not, but if you want to engage the camp, your effed up overview is a handicap.
^ Mr. Herschel has a valid point.
Not really. Given the surprises patches tend to bring in this game historically, deliberately putting yourself into a bad position and then finding out you are humped after the patch is pretty much your own fault.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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macsimum
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Posted - 2009.05.16 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Anubis Xian
Originally by: macsimum
Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Originally by: rogertherabbit
OH NOES. I hope you demanded ccp give you back the 5 mins of you time you lost
It wouldn't be so bad if you could adjust overview settings while docked in station. Imagine you're at a 0.0 outpost, or a 0.0 NPC station when a patch comes, now you must undock into hostile space with the overview screwed up. Maybe you're camped, maybe you're not, but if you want to engage the camp, your effed up overview is a handicap.
^ Mr. Herschel has a valid point.
Not really. Given the surprises patches tend to bring in this game historically, deliberately putting yourself into a bad position and then finding out you are humped after the patch is pretty much your own fault.
Yes really. Are you saying everyone should leave low/null sec space before patches to avoid undocking with messed up Overviews and it would be their own fault if they get donkeypunched by a hostile because of it?
Herschel is basically saying you should be able to calibrate your Overview while docked. Seems fair enough.
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Karl Mattar
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2009.05.16 04:09:00 -
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One further issue I find rather alarming: Turning off the neutrals filter makes enemy militia disappear.
I'm in the Caldari militia atm, and if I remove neutrals, I can't see Minmatar militia members, despite checking the "at war with your militia" button.
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2009.05.16 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: macsimum
Yes really. Are you saying everyone should leave low/null sec space before patches to avoid undocking with messed up Overviews and it would be their own fault if they get donkeypunched by a hostile because of it?
Herschel is basically saying you should be able to calibrate your Overview while docked. Seems fair enough.
I'm not saying the idea is bad, but the situation is optional. There is no requirement to dock at all. Especially if you know a patch is coming and could mess things up.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.05.16 06:55:00 -
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Your own militia should not be on overview unless you are running in a near permanent logistics role. The friendly fire incidents you mention probably happened due to the priority list being changed so that 'flashing' is on top of militia tag.
The column 'militia' is necessary if in area where the allied militia appears (still showing as neutral...grrrrrr), otherwise it is of little use since the other hostile militia generally shows as war targets, eventhough they are technically neutral.
Read through the Dev blog and pay special attention to the images posted there. The sorting order of the entries has a huge impact on how the overview behaves so understanding it properly is crucial in low-sec environs where you have loads of 'unaffiliated' flying around.
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Shun Makoto
Caldari
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.05.16 07:28:00 -
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Yeah I pretty much reset my overview settings to how it was before the patch. Global's blink red, Militia/Fleet Colors Override all Colors etc.
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Raimo
Gallente
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.05.16 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: Shun Makoto
Yeah I pretty much reset my overview settings to how it was before the patch. Global's blink red, Militia/Fleet Colors Override all Colors etc.
The overview change was rather awful, wasn't it?
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Nur AlHuda
Amarr
Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.05.16 11:08:00 -
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Edited by: Nur AlHuda on 16/05/2009 11:11:24
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Tombozo
Caldari
Bagman's Bookkeeping Services LLC
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Posted - 2009.05.16 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Originally by: rogertherabbit
OH NOES. I hope you demanded ccp give you back the 5 mins of you time you lost
It wouldn't be so bad if you could adjust overview settings while docked in station. Imagine you're at a 0.0 outpost, or a 0.0 NPC station when a patch comes, now you must undock into hostile space with the overview screwed up. Maybe you're camped, maybe you're not, but if you want to engage the camp, your effed up overview is a handicap.
Okay, now imagine that you were given three character slots per account, and could log in to a virtually worthless alternate character at any time. Then imagine you could edit your overview settings on that character, and import the new overview settings to your main character who might be in danger.
Oh wait.
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