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Tra' Shaz Gallente manic-recession	Posted - 2009.05.23 02:19:00 - [31] Originally by: Kouryusei Beta testers, look forward to an email today :)! /me claps.
Krathos Morpheus Gallente Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.05.23 21:14:00 - [32] Originally by: Kouryusei Beta testers, look forward to an email today :)! No email. lalalala EVE Knowledge
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.23 21:23:00 - [33] Originally by: Krathos Morpheus Originally by: Kouryusei Beta testers, look forward to an email today :)! No email. lalalala Until I am 100% satisfied with the product, it will not be sent out; I have also been receiving new feature requests on a daily basis - which I am implementing prior to beta testing. This is the way I develop, and it has never failed me in the past. :) A couple of people experienced in software stress testing have received an early alpha, as well as a developer who wanted the cache reader API. ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
Krathos Morpheus Gallente Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.05.23 21:37:00 - [34] Originally by: Kouryusei Originally by: Krathos Morpheus Originally by: Kouryusei Beta testers, look forward to an email today :)! No email. lalalala Until I am 100% satisfied with the product, it will not be sent out; I have also been receiving new feature requests on a daily basis - which I am implementing prior to beta testing. This is the way I develop, and it has never failed me in the past. :) A couple of people experienced in software stress testing have received an early alpha, as well as a developer who wanted the cache reader API. I thought Beta meant unfinished product. Can you tell them post their comments here on first impressions to tease us? pleaseeee EVE Knowledge
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.23 21:44:00 - [35] Originally by: Krathos Morpheus Originally by: Kouryusei Originally by: Krathos Morpheus Originally by: Kouryusei Beta testers, look forward to an email today :)! No email. lalalala Until I am 100% satisfied with the product, it will not be sent out; I have also been receiving new feature requests on a daily basis - which I am implementing prior to beta testing. This is the way I develop, and it has never failed me in the past. :) A couple of people experienced in software stress testing have received an early alpha, as well as a developer who wanted the cache reader API. I thought Beta meant unfinished product. Can you tell them post their comments here on first impressions to tease us? pleaseeee The term beta test generally refers to the preliminary testing stage of a product, in regards to intraPAY; this means a full set of features, whilst it will become more "streamlined", "secure" and "optimized" in terms of code prior to the final release. It also means beta in the sense that more features will certainly be added even once testing is in progress. I however intend to throw as many in as possible before letting you ravenous pack of wolves in on it. :) The people currently tinkering with the tool itself are solely tasked with stress testing the product. You'll have your own first impression soon enough, be patient. :) ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.05.23 22:11:00 - [36] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 23/05/2009 22:12:47 Originally by: Kouryusei The people currently tinkering with the tool itself are solely tasked with stress testing the product. You'll have your own first impression soon enough, be patient. :) Can you ask them to post here please? It would be quite lame for them to test EVE related software without having access to Eve themselves. Black Sun Empire
Krathos Morpheus Gallente Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.05.23 22:23:00 - [37] Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 23/05/2009 22:12:47 Originally by: Kouryusei The people currently tinkering with the tool itself are solely tasked with stress testing the product. You'll have your own first impression soon enough, be patient. :) Can you ask them to post here please? It would be quite lame for them to test EVE related software without having access to Eve themselves. That would be nice. EVE Knowledge
Feryal Sky	Posted - 2009.05.23 22:28:00 - [38] Where is the project housed? Can we get some palpable evidence as to its existence?
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.24 00:15:00 - [39] If this post seems a bit jumbled, I'm extremely tired and about to go cat nap. Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 23/05/2009 22:12:47 Originally by: Kouryusei The people currently tinkering with the tool itself are solely tasked with stress testing the product. You'll have your own first impression soon enough, be patient. :) Can you ask them to post here please? It would be quite lame for them to test EVE related software without having access to Eve themselves. Quote: That would be nice. I will not be asking them to post here, I have zero desire or reason to on my side of things. Internal alpha testing is always private with me, and that will never change. Thankfully, their testing is now over, and I will be making a few modifications to the system to fix the errors that cropped up, once I am back from my trip, in the afternoon tomorrow. For the record, they have access to EVE; one of them has been playing longer then most of you I expect :). Quote: Where is the project housed? Can we get some palpable evidence as to its existence? The project itself is housed in the same location as my commercial software offerings (I work through SVN, so it's also available on a local server at home), once I decide I am ready to release the beta; you'll have your palpable evidence. If you have a legitimate vested interest in seeing potential code samples, or having limited access to the remote system to test prior to me being ready to ship out the beta (this does not mean that you are a potential user, this would generally mean you are a developer looking to interface), then please drop me an email. :) Note: If you've sent me an email in regards to the above, and I have yet to respond; I will eventually. If you'd rather I call you back (email is so impersonal), feel free to drop me your phone number (or request mine). -- Not to seem annoyed or arrogant, but please understand me when I say I am doing this in my spare time, for zero return. If something crops up in real life, then it takes a priority over this; and as I am in the midst of organizing a few things to do with the company during my leave of absence, things keep cropping up :) (As an example, I have to be on a flight in 4 hours at 5AM to take care of some trivial crap). A few people have emailed me and asked me extremely politely for code samples (and other things), which I have happily provided. Additionally, people have asked me what my qualifications are, and what I do for a living. I'm the director of an ISV (based in the UK) that also does a fair bit of high-end mission critical network and infrastructure solutions, licensing and hardware financing ("value added services"). Way back when, I was a software engineer that ended up getting my CCNP and MCSE in order to broaden my horizons. It turned out to be for the best. :) I'm a hands-on person, and can program in a plethora of languages; I actually find joy in it. I regularly attend a number of conferences and conventions (recently, it's been more tailored towards security, PCI compliance, e.t.c), and if you went to the last Infosec - chances are that we have met. -- Anyway, it's 1AM, I've been up since 6AM - I have to be on a flight in four hours, and my cat has just come in to heat (the incessant yowling ¼_¼). Thankfully though, my wife has managed to fall asleep (which during the 3rd trimester seems to be a tad hard to do). So, I'm gonna grab a nap for a couple of hours (if I can). :) Fly safe all. o/ ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.05.24 00:33:00 - [40] Originally by: Kouryusei I'm the director of an ISV (based in the UK) that also does a fair bit of high-end mission critical network and infrastructure solutions, licensing and hardware financing ("value added services"). Way back when, I was a software engineer that ended up getting my CCNP and MCSE in order to broaden my horizons. It turned out to be for the best. :) I'm a hands-on person, and can program in a plethora of languages; I actually find joy in it. I regularly attend a number of conferences and conventions (recently, it's been more tailored towards security, PCI compliance, e.t.c), and if you went to the last Infosec - chances are that we have met. -- lol Black Sun Empire
Adrian Idaho Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.05.24 07:51:00 - [41] Originally by: YouGotRipped [snip] lol I understand that you're tired, it must have taken quite some time to gather the info and then compose a lengthy story, while avoiding to provide one conclusive proof as to the existence of the project. You've exaggerated with the convincing job, do you know why? Dude, what is your problem? If what he's saying is true (and I don't see a reason to doubt it), then he has a lot on his plate even without your stupid comments. He has no material gain from his project (except maybe advertisement for his business), and he lets everyone profit from it once he's more or less satisfied with the result. And even if he was lying and the project doesn't exist, you haven't lost anything, no time, no money, no ISK. So just shut up and go troll somewhere else. Blatantly Obvious Features that need to be implemented, stat!
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.05.24 08:08:00 - [42] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 24/05/2009 08:11:40 Originally by: Adrian Idaho Dude, what is your problem? If what he's saying is true (and I don't see a reason to doubt it), then he has a lot on his plate even without your stupid comments. Just because you don't see a reason to doubt it, doesn't mean that what he's saying is true. For the community's peace of mind, not mine, we will have to wait but I'm afraid it will take forever. Originally by: Adrian Idaho He has no material gain from his project (except maybe advertisement for his business), and he lets everyone profit from it once he's more or less satisfied with the result. Linky Black Sun Empire
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2009.05.24 08:18:00 - [43] Originally by: YouGotRipped Just because you don't see a reason to doubt it, doesn't mean that what he's saying is true. For the community's peace of mind, not mine, we will have to wait but I'm afraid it will take forever. Are you sure? How's your bond going? Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
EVEHelpisSeriousBusiness	Posted - 2009.05.24 08:22:00 - [44] Originally by: Professor Leech Originally by: YouGotRipped Just because you don't see a reason to doubt it, doesn't mean that what he's saying is true. For the community's peace of mind, not mine, we will have to wait but I'm afraid it will take forever. Are you sure? How's your bond going? It's going pretty well, that 0% vote visual bug really helped me out.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.05.24 10:14:00 - [45] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 24/05/2009 10:15:52 Originally by: Kouryusei Beta testers, look forward to an email today :)! hahah of course the mail never came but... in the exact same day he posted this Black Sun Empire
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.24 10:37:00 - [46] Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 24/05/2009 10:31:36 Originally by: Krathos Morpheus Originally by: Kouryusei Beta testers, look forward to an email today :)! No email. lalalala hahah of course the mail never came but... in the exact same day he posted this failed attempt at obtaining public funding. A failed attempt that resulted in a successful round of funding. :) ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.05.24 10:45:00 - [47] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 24/05/2009 10:45:21 Originally by: Kouryusei A failed attempt that resulted in a successful round of funding. :) How much did you milked the community for this time? Black Sun Empire
Festidious Verrucas Draconis Alumni Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.05.24 11:18:00 - [48] Howdy, I'm not on the beta for this but I do have an interest in the actual application. Being one of those who have invested in the "The Bitter Sea Trading Company" - I'm watching with interest to see (and judge) what happens with IntraPAY at beta stage. I mean, not being negative or anything but have any beta versions been sent out? If not û when? If you fail or delay in this - what confidence do the investors and even the MD have in you with your "bond"? - this is a judging time for you I for one am waiting with baited breath for this application :) Will it ever appear....? No pressure or anything Fly safe, Fes.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.05.24 13:39:00 - [49] @Above Beta = software almost ready to ship, only lacking of the final "polish". The software Kouryusei is making, by his own words is far from beta. As you might have noticed, instead, you'll probably tried several software in the past with the "beta" label but that were complete crap. Beta is the "noob on the road" term used by semi-incompetent or "too smart" companies to raise expectations about software effectively still in deep development phase, usually to get undue / earlier funding. Alpha = software with most functionality but not all (ie some buttons / menu are not even still implemented) that will usually break if you stress / monkey test them. Often this is what is optimistically called "Closed beta" by MMO companies. Pre-alpha = software barely out of development status, very easy to crash / still requiring manual input where the final product will be automated, or only accepting i.e. a certain file instead of an user freely chosen input file and so on. I guesstimate the software proposed is in pre-alpha at best, expecially considering the need to setup a remote server. I also guesstimate, by having developed some business software, that it will take weeks to see a semi-working application.
Krathos Morpheus Gallente Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.05.24 14:47:00 - [50] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha @Above Beta = software almost ready to ship, only lacking of the final "polish". The software Kouryusei is making, by his own words is far from beta. As you might have noticed, instead, you'll probably tried several software in the past with the "beta" label but that were complete crap. Beta is the "noob on the road" term used by semi-incompetent or "too smart" companies to raise expectations about software effectively still in deep development phase, usually to get undue / earlier funding. Alpha = software with most functionality but not all (ie some buttons / menu are not even still implemented) that will usually break if you stress / monkey test them. Often this is what is optimistically called "Closed beta" by MMO companies. Pre-alpha = software barely out of development status, very easy to crash / still requiring manual input where the final product will be automated, or only accepting i.e. a certain file instead of an user freely chosen input file and so on. I guesstimate the software proposed is in pre-alpha at best, expecially considering the need to setup a remote server. I also guesstimate, by having developed some business software, that it will take weeks to see a semi-working application. If that were the case why he would say the following? Quote: Release Date Closed Beta: 18th May 2009. Open Beta: 23rd May 2009. Public Release: 30th May 2009. Specially when that was said on 2009.05.16 two days before releasing beta day. I don't think so, saying that he'll release the beta in two days with a software that "will take weeks to see a semi-working application"? I don't think so. Maybe he is a perfectionist or, god forbid it, is a scammer, I don't know, but surely you don't have a barely developed software out there. @Kour: What means SVN, ISV, CCNP and MCSE? I have no idea about the meaning of that acronyms, maybe because I'm not english, do you live on the islands (aka UK)? EVE Knowledge
Mme Pinkerton Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.24 15:50:00 - [51] Originally by: Krathos Morpheus @Kour: What means SVN, ISV, CCNP and MCSE? SVN - subversion, a popular version control system (allows you to track changes to your code) ISV - independent software vendor CCNP - Cisco Certified Network Professional (knows how to setup a complex network using Cisco hardware) MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant & Solitaire Expert (look it up for yourself if you really care) (obviously, I am not Kour) " Credit is the economic judgement on the morality of a man. "
Festidious Verrucas Draconis Alumni Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.05.25 00:48:00 - [52] Originally by: Mme Pinkerton Originally by: Krathos Morpheus MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant & Solitaire Expert (look it up for yourself if you really care) MCSE - Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer - just sayin Fly safe, Fes.
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.25 11:09:00 - [53] The product is now almost ready to move out of alpha, the majority of errors have now been fixed, and very few minor errors now remain. I'll be tackling those today, and doing a final round of "oh **" testing. :) ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY** - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
Krathos Morpheus Gallente Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.05.25 11:41:00 - [54] Originally by: Kouryusei The product is now almost ready to move out of alpha, the majority of errors have now been fixed, and very few minor errors now remain. I'll be tackling those today, and doing a final round of "oh ****" testing. :) \o/ EVE Knowledge
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.05.25 19:21:00 - [55] Quote: Maybe he is a perfectionist or, god forbid it, is a scammer, I don't know, but surely you don't have a barely developed software out there. I never implied he's a scammer. There's enough in MD that believe everyone is a scammer already, no need to add to the choir. I just read Remote. "In remote mode, intraPAY runs on well... one of my many, many servers. The server in question is currently being built." Now, if the server is not completely trivial, it leads to believe it won't be ready so soon. (I consider "the software" as the sum of its parts, including the server).
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.25 20:31:00 - [56] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: Maybe he is a perfectionist or, god forbid it, is a scammer, I don't know, but surely you don't have a barely developed software out there. I never implied he's a scammer. There's enough in MD that believe everyone is a scammer already, no need to add to the choir. I just read Remote. "In remote mode, intraPAY runs on well... one of my many, many servers. The server in question is currently being built." Now, if the server is not completely trivial, it leads to believe it won't be ready so soon. (I consider "the software" as the sum of its parts, including the server). The server segment is one of the more trivial parts. :)
Krathos Morpheus Gallente Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.05.26 07:12:00 - [57] Originally by: Kouryusei Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: Maybe he is a perfectionist or, god forbid it, is a scammer, I don't know, but surely you don't have a barely developed software out there. I never implied he's a scammer. There's enough in MD that believe everyone is a scammer already, no need to add to the choir. I just read Remote. "In remote mode, intraPAY runs on well... one of my many, many servers. The server in question is currently being built." Now, if the server is not completely trivial, it leads to believe it won't be ready so soon. (I consider "the software" as the sum of its parts, including the server). The server segment is one of the more trivial parts. :) I did not say you were implying that, just that there is no way for him to announce inminent release being at the state you claim, I have very very little experience with programing (I have even forgotten the few I learned), but logic brings to my mind only that two possible reasons given the situation(actually three, but I think we can discard him being a moron :). I think the scam is unlikely at this point, but that posibility combined with the poor management of critics and lack of experience and skills saw on the audit made me cancel my share reservation on his business aiming for a win/win situation. I'm glad to confirm from kour that the software is not that undeveloped, I expected no other answer :).
Teavan Gallente First CityWide Change Bank	Posted - 2009.05.29 19:57:00 - [58] And then?
Tra' Shaz Gallente manic-recession	Posted - 2009.05.30 23:07:00 - [59] Originally by: Kouryusei The product is now almost ready to move out of alpha, the majority of errors have now been fixed, and very few minor errors now remain. I'll be tackling those today, and doing a final round of "oh ****" testing. :) Yay! ...and bump
Varo Jan Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.31 01:18:00 - [60] Originally by: Krathos Morpheus Originally by: Kouryusei Beta testers, look forward to an email today :)! No email. lalalala Still no email. Not holding my breath.

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