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Lyah Moonshade
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Posted - 2004.09.07 09:33:00 -
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Hello there
I'm unsure on what this skill does. Does it reduce the loss on minerals when you recycle pirate loot?
Thanks
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Lyah Moonshade
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Posted - 2004.09.07 09:33:00 -
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Hello there
I'm unsure on what this skill does. Does it reduce the loss on minerals when you recycle pirate loot?
Thanks
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Sirfrost
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Posted - 2004.09.07 09:41:00 -
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Yes, the part that the machinery at the station takes....
You will still need a good standing to the corp to remove all loss...
I worship my ex-CEO Gryning
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Sirfrost
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Posted - 2004.09.07 09:41:00 -
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Yes, the part that the machinery at the station takes....
You will still need a good standing to the corp to remove all loss...
I worship my ex-CEO Gryning
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loladoll
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Posted - 2004.09.07 18:22:00 -
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yep,
i refine and get every last drop of minerals from the loot i recycle 
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loladoll
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Posted - 2004.09.07 18:22:00 -
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yep,
i refine and get every last drop of minerals from the loot i recycle
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Del Todesengel
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Posted - 2004.09.07 22:09:00 -
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ScrapMetal processing is for NPC (and could be PC) loot what Veldspar Processing is for veldspar :)
i mean, it give ya 5% less loss of the 'uncoverable' part of reprocess. But, if you're in 50% refining station (most of empire) you'll have already 100% of the ore back if you have Ref and Ref Eff lvl5 (wich are needed for the scrapmetal skill)
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Del Todesengel
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Posted - 2004.09.07 22:09:00 -
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ScrapMetal processing is for NPC (and could be PC) loot what Veldspar Processing is for veldspar :)
i mean, it give ya 5% less loss of the 'uncoverable' part of reprocess. But, if you're in 50% refining station (most of empire) you'll have already 100% of the ore back if you have Ref and Ref Eff lvl5 (wich are needed for the scrapmetal skill)
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Fjellu
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Posted - 2004.09.08 07:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Del Todesengel
it give ya 5% less loss of the 'uncoverable' part of reprocess. But, if you're in 50% refining station (most of empire) you'll have already 100% of the ore back if you have Ref and Ref Eff lvl5
Is this true? No need for scrapmetal, unless you have bad standing (read, below 6,7) or the refining equipment is not up to speed
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Fjellu
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Posted - 2004.09.08 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: Del Todesengel
it give ya 5% less loss of the 'uncoverable' part of reprocess. But, if you're in 50% refining station (most of empire) you'll have already 100% of the ore back if you have Ref and Ref Eff lvl5
Is this true? No need for scrapmetal, unless you have bad standing (read, below 6,7) or the refining equipment is not up to speed
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Sirfrost
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Posted - 2004.09.08 09:03:00 -
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You need scrapmetal at atleast lvl 1 to get all minerals for recycling....
I have 5+5 and a high standing and I needed 1 lvl of Scrapmetal to get all minerals...
I worship my ex-CEO Gryning
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Sirfrost
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Posted - 2004.09.08 09:03:00 -
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You need scrapmetal at atleast lvl 1 to get all minerals for recycling....
I have 5+5 and a high standing and I needed 1 lvl of Scrapmetal to get all minerals...
I worship my ex-CEO Gryning
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Vordicae
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Posted - 2004.09.08 11:50:00 -
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It gives you :
a) An Ulcer
b) 6 months training time in the level 5 requirements (refine /efficiency)to figure out what skills you could have trained instead of wasting time for 5% of cheap ores :)
currently into day 2 of 22 refinery efficiency 5 <== SUCKA ! 
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Vordicae
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Posted - 2004.09.08 11:50:00 -
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It gives you :
a) An Ulcer
b) 6 months training time in the level 5 requirements (refine /efficiency)to figure out what skills you could have trained instead of wasting time for 5% of cheap ores :)
currently into day 2 of 22 refinery efficiency 5 <== SUCKA !
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In space .. no-one can hear you munching crisps
in the back seat of your Hauler !
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Dobbick
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Posted - 2004.09.08 14:21:00 -
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and don't forget you need metallurgy 5 for scrapmetal processing too
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Dobbick
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Posted - 2004.09.08 14:21:00 -
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and don't forget you need metallurgy 5 for scrapmetal processing too
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GlimmerMan
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Posted - 2004.09.08 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Del Todesengel
But, if you're in 50% refining station (most of empire) you'll have already 100% of the ore back if you have Ref and Ref Eff lvl5 (wich are needed for the scrapmetal skill)
5/5 @ 50% gives 99.5% yield.
Most people, myself included, don't think that the extra 0.5% is worth training Metallurgy (rank 3) to level 5. Why? Well, if you're refining loot, odds are you're a fighter, so Metallurgy level 5 will serve no other purpose.
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GlimmerMan
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Posted - 2004.09.08 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Del Todesengel
But, if you're in 50% refining station (most of empire) you'll have already 100% of the ore back if you have Ref and Ref Eff lvl5 (wich are needed for the scrapmetal skill)
5/5 @ 50% gives 99.5% yield.
Most people, myself included, don't think that the extra 0.5% is worth training Metallurgy (rank 3) to level 5. Why? Well, if you're refining loot, odds are you're a fighter, so Metallurgy level 5 will serve no other purpose.
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Bedrock
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Posted - 2004.09.09 23:14:00 -
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Edited by: Bedrock on 09/09/2004 23:16:02
This is only good for an alt character. Otherwise you are really wasting your time training all the pre-reqs when you can be training something much more useful.
Currently: 14 days and 17 hours for metallurgy lvl5 + scrap metal lvl1 total
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Bedrock
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Posted - 2004.09.09 23:14:00 -
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Edited by: Bedrock on 09/09/2004 23:16:02
This is only good for an alt character. Otherwise you are really wasting your time training all the pre-reqs when you can be training something much more useful.
Currently: 14 days and 17 hours for metallurgy lvl5 + scrap metal lvl1 total
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Dray
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Posted - 2004.09.10 07:42:00 -
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a good standing is worth more than scrapmetal proc, i have 2 alts who are 5/5 refiners, one has high standings with the imperial navy and the other has scrapmetal 5, the high standings guy is way better off in a 50% ref station than the scrap 5 guy. not really worth the time unless your going for a hardcore industry/science char.
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Dray
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Posted - 2004.09.10 07:42:00 -
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a good standing is worth more than scrapmetal proc, i have 2 alts who are 5/5 refiners, one has high standings with the imperial navy and the other has scrapmetal 5, the high standings guy is way better off in a 50% ref station than the scrap 5 guy. not really worth the time unless your going for a hardcore industry/science char.
I picked up this ace book today everyone rates it as a must buy for the budding military genius, tho ive decided to rename it as "Sun Tzu's art of the bloody obvious" |
RaTTuS
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Posted - 2004.09.10 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dray
... scrapmetal 5, the high standings guy is way better off in a 50% ref station than the scrap 5 guy. not really worth the time unless your going for a hardcore industry/science char.
in a 50% station Scrapmetal 1 is all you need - you will not get any more out of it , in a 30% station scrapmetal 5 will not give 100%.
High standings [6.7 or better] will always help
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RaTTuS
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Posted - 2004.09.10 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dray
... scrapmetal 5, the high standings guy is way better off in a 50% ref station than the scrap 5 guy. not really worth the time unless your going for a hardcore industry/science char.
in a 50% station Scrapmetal 1 is all you need - you will not get any more out of it , in a 30% station scrapmetal 5 will not give 100%.
High standings [6.7 or better] will always help
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Vanda Darksphere
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Posted - 2004.09.10 22:02:00 -
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The skill also has potential use for shifting sheds loads of ore around. Make a load of stuff with your 700 billion units of trit, fit it all in your indy and reprocess it at the other end
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Vanda Darksphere
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Posted - 2004.09.10 22:02:00 -
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The skill also has potential use for shifting sheds loads of ore around. Make a load of stuff with your 700 billion units of trit, fit it all in your indy and reprocess it at the other end
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Steven Dynahir
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Posted - 2004.09.11 10:44:00 -
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Quote:
Most people, myself included, don't think that the extra 0.5% is worth training Metallurgy (rank 3) to level 5. Why? Well, if you're refining loot, odds are you're a fighter, so Metallurgy level 5 will serve no other purpose.
That 0.5% is essential when refining small amount of loot containing megacyte/zydrine. If you refine say one unit of loot x, it will give you mega/zyd yield of 0 with 99.5%. With the 0.5% bonus the yeild is 1.
Thus you make 12k/refine more money with that last 0.5%. Times 500000 and it's hefty number.
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Steven Dynahir
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Posted - 2004.09.11 10:44:00 -
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Quote:
Most people, myself included, don't think that the extra 0.5% is worth training Metallurgy (rank 3) to level 5. Why? Well, if you're refining loot, odds are you're a fighter, so Metallurgy level 5 will serve no other purpose.
That 0.5% is essential when refining small amount of loot containing megacyte/zydrine. If you refine say one unit of loot x, it will give you mega/zyd yield of 0 with 99.5%. With the 0.5% bonus the yeild is 1.
Thus you make 12k/refine more money with that last 0.5%. Times 500000 and it's hefty number.
SigPl/HQ&Log Coy/MNB(C)/KFOR |
GlimmerMan
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Posted - 2004.09.17 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Steven Dynahir
Quote:
Most people, myself included, don't think that the extra 0.5% is worth training Metallurgy (rank 3) to level 5. Why? Well, if you're refining loot, odds are you're a fighter, so Metallurgy level 5 will serve no other purpose.
That 0.5% is essential when refining small amount of loot containing megacyte/zydrine. If you refine say one unit of loot x, it will give you mega/zyd yield of 0 with 99.5%. With the 0.5% bonus the yeild is 1.
Thus you make 12k/refine more money with that last 0.5%. Times 500000 and it's hefty number.
Not that important to me due to the way I recycle loot, may be to others though I guess. Yes, if I recycle a single item that gives 1 Zyd I'll lose it, but if I save up 10 first I'll get 9 Zyd, 100 first, I'll get 99 Zyd etc. Being patient gets rid of most of that loss.
I don't typically recycle until my loot hangar has 400-500 different item stacks to recycle, so it works out fine for me. 
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GlimmerMan
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Posted - 2004.09.17 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Steven Dynahir
Quote:
Most people, myself included, don't think that the extra 0.5% is worth training Metallurgy (rank 3) to level 5. Why? Well, if you're refining loot, odds are you're a fighter, so Metallurgy level 5 will serve no other purpose.
That 0.5% is essential when refining small amount of loot containing megacyte/zydrine. If you refine say one unit of loot x, it will give you mega/zyd yield of 0 with 99.5%. With the 0.5% bonus the yeild is 1.
Thus you make 12k/refine more money with that last 0.5%. Times 500000 and it's hefty number.
Not that important to me due to the way I recycle loot, may be to others though I guess. Yes, if I recycle a single item that gives 1 Zyd I'll lose it, but if I save up 10 first I'll get 9 Zyd, 100 first, I'll get 99 Zyd etc. Being patient gets rid of most of that loss.
I don't typically recycle until my loot hangar has 400-500 different item stacks to recycle, so it works out fine for me.
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Weaselcrossing
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Posted - 2004.09.23 01:35:00 -
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Hey guess I'm crazy but im heading to lvl 5 ref eff and metalurgy *with me main character *
Then again I am an R&D freak and plan on going into building someday
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Weaselcrossing
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Posted - 2004.09.23 01:35:00 -
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Hey guess I'm crazy but im heading to lvl 5 ref eff and metalurgy *with me main character*
Then again I am an R&D freak and plan on going into building someday
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SIR PRIME
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Posted - 2004.09.23 09:07:00 -
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He he my main has completely maxed his refining and production skills with the exception of all ores skills that are at 3, scrap metal at 4 and cruiser cobstruction at 3. I still can't fire a missile and only have my starting gunnery skills! He's a corp man through and through!!!!
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SIR PRIME
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Posted - 2004.09.23 09:07:00 -
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He he my main has completely maxed his refining and production skills with the exception of all ores skills that are at 3, scrap metal at 4 and cruiser cobstruction at 3. I still can't fire a missile and only have my starting gunnery skills! He's a corp man through and through!!!!
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Jazzatola
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Posted - 2004.09.23 23:04:00 -
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I've just passed 15 mil skill points and am about to start on ref eff 5 before going on to scrapmetal processing. I have a few implants and my attributes are high enough that it shouldn't take too long to achieve.
I'm an agent runner but refine the useless loot and trade goods my agents give me to get the minerals to build ships in my spare time. |
Jazzatola
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Posted - 2004.09.23 23:04:00 -
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I've just passed 15 mil skill points and am about to start on ref eff 5 before going on to scrapmetal processing. I have a few implants and my attributes are high enough that it shouldn't take too long to achieve.
I'm an agent runner but refine the useless loot and trade goods my agents give me to get the minerals to build ships in my spare time. |
Bedrock
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Posted - 2004.09.30 23:32:00 -
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Ok, so my alt just finished Metallurgy 5 and I went ahead and trained Scrapmetal to level 2.
Let me sum this up, and tell me if something is wrong.
I have Refine lvl 5
I have Eff. Refine lvl 5
I have Metallurgy lvl 5
I have Scrapmetal lvl 2
I have 2.19 standing with Kaalakiota Corp.
The station is 50% giving me 100% yield...
yet, when I recycle all my loot, I have one (1) unrecoverable mineral unit across the board, all the time. I'll continue getting better standing, but I thought someone said that at a 50% station, scrapmetal lvl 1 was all I needed??????
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Bedrock
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Posted - 2004.09.30 23:32:00 -
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Ok, so my alt just finished Metallurgy 5 and I went ahead and trained Scrapmetal to level 2.
Let me sum this up, and tell me if something is wrong.
I have Refine lvl 5
I have Eff. Refine lvl 5
I have Metallurgy lvl 5
I have Scrapmetal lvl 2
I have 2.19 standing with Kaalakiota Corp.
The station is 50% giving me 100% yield...
yet, when I recycle all my loot, I have one (1) unrecoverable mineral unit across the board, all the time. I'll continue getting better standing, but I thought someone said that at a 50% station, scrapmetal lvl 1 was all I needed??????
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Electric Six
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Posted - 2004.10.01 10:25:00 -
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Bedrock, the reason you have 1 unrecoverable unit is because of the rounding process from the "we take" bit. If your standing is high enough for We Take=0%, that unrecoverable unit will disappear.
It's a useful skill for agent runners tbh, as you can get another few Zyd/Mega every mission.
My main has refining 5/5, metallurgy 5, scrapmetal 1 and nearly all processing skills to 1. This means I get 100% from loot and ore in any 50% station where I have good standing (3 corps so far). |
Electric Six
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Posted - 2004.10.01 10:25:00 -
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Bedrock, the reason you have 1 unrecoverable unit is because of the rounding process from the "we take" bit. If your standing is high enough for We Take=0%, that unrecoverable unit will disappear.
It's a useful skill for agent runners tbh, as you can get another few Zyd/Mega every mission.
My main has refining 5/5, metallurgy 5, scrapmetal 1 and nearly all processing skills to 1. This means I get 100% from loot and ore in any 50% station where I have good standing (3 corps so far). |
Reiisha
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Posted - 2004.10.01 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Del Todesengel
i mean, it give ya 5% less loss of the 'uncoverable' part of reprocess. But, if you're in 50% refining station (most of empire) you'll have already 100% of the ore back if you have Ref and Ref Eff lvl5 (wich are needed for the scrapmetal skill)
Not exactly. In a 50% station, ref5 and ref eff5 gives you 97.5% yield. BUT: If you ahve a standing of less than 6.7, they take a percentage of wha you can RECOVER, NOT of the possible yield.
So, the NPC station takes 5% of those 97.5%.
Originally by: Bedrock
Ok, so my alt just finished Metallurgy 5 and I went ahead and trained Scrapmetal to level 2.
Let me sum this up, and tell me if something is wrong.
I have Refine lvl 5
I have Eff. Refine lvl 5
I have Metallurgy lvl 5
I have Scrapmetal lvl 2
I have 2.19 standing with Kaalakiota Corp.
The station is 50% giving me 100% yield...
yet, when I recycle all my loot, I have one (1) unrecoverable mineral unit across the board, all the time. I'll continue getting better standing, but I thought someone said that at a 50% station, scrapmetal lvl 1 was all I needed??????
Scrapmetal 2 or 3 is what you need. Also, try to get your standings up to 6.7 or so.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2004.10.01 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Del Todesengel
i mean, it give ya 5% less loss of the 'uncoverable' part of reprocess. But, if you're in 50% refining station (most of empire) you'll have already 100% of the ore back if you have Ref and Ref Eff lvl5 (wich are needed for the scrapmetal skill)
Not exactly. In a 50% station, ref5 and ref eff5 gives you 97.5% yield. BUT: If you ahve a standing of less than 6.7, they take a percentage of wha you can RECOVER, NOT of the possible yield.
So, the NPC station takes 5% of those 97.5%.
Originally by: Bedrock
Ok, so my alt just finished Metallurgy 5 and I went ahead and trained Scrapmetal to level 2.
Let me sum this up, and tell me if something is wrong.
I have Refine lvl 5
I have Eff. Refine lvl 5
I have Metallurgy lvl 5
I have Scrapmetal lvl 2
I have 2.19 standing with Kaalakiota Corp.
The station is 50% giving me 100% yield...
yet, when I recycle all my loot, I have one (1) unrecoverable mineral unit across the board, all the time. I'll continue getting better standing, but I thought someone said that at a 50% station, scrapmetal lvl 1 was all I needed??????
Scrapmetal 2 or 3 is what you need. Also, try to get your standings up to 6.7 or so.
Gamersland.nl, DE site voor PC gaming! |
Bedrock
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Posted - 2004.10.01 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Six
Bedrock, the reason you have 1 unrecoverable unit is because of the rounding process from the "we take" bit. If your standing is high enough for We Take=0%, that unrecoverable unit will disappear.
It's a useful skill for agent runners tbh, as you can get another few Zyd/Mega every mission.
My main has refining 5/5, metallurgy 5, scrapmetal 1 and nearly all processing skills to 1. This means I get 100% from loot and ore in any 50% station where I have good standing (3 corps so far).
Thanks! I was guessing it was the rounding, but just wanted confirmation from experience. I will continue getting standing. Thank you for your responses.
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Bedrock
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Posted - 2004.10.01 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Six
Bedrock, the reason you have 1 unrecoverable unit is because of the rounding process from the "we take" bit. If your standing is high enough for We Take=0%, that unrecoverable unit will disappear.
It's a useful skill for agent runners tbh, as you can get another few Zyd/Mega every mission.
My main has refining 5/5, metallurgy 5, scrapmetal 1 and nearly all processing skills to 1. This means I get 100% from loot and ore in any 50% station where I have good standing (3 corps so far).
Thanks! I was guessing it was the rounding, but just wanted confirmation from experience. I will continue getting standing. Thank you for your responses.
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