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Yakown Reth	Posted - 2009.05.19 04:17:00 - [1] i am currently training the skills necessary to fly assault frigates and have decided i am going to get the ishkur my hope was to get suggestions on tactics, fittings, or if i should even get the ishkur or invest in the other gallente assault frig.
Aaronm100 Killer Koalas Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.19 07:28:00 - [2] At the moment i'm flying an ishkur however i'm using a different setup than the ones i found but it's actually quite good. I didn't like the sig radius after an MWD so i switch that for an ab but speed fitted it and so far i haven't died in it. [Ishkur, ab] Damage Control II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II 1MN Afterburner II Sensor Booster II Warp Disruptor II 125mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge S 125mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge S 125mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge S Drone Link Augmentor I [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x5 However it depends what you're using it for. Many people prefer the MWD + blasters setup. Also on mentioning the enyo, i bought one along with my ishkur to try them both out and never actually used it so i wouldn't buy one if i was you.
IceWarriors Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.05.19 09:27:00 - [3] Edited by: IceWarriors on 19/05/2009 09:27:38 I was going to post about this ship as well. Here is the most popular battleclinic setups. [Ishkur, EVEMON Turelle's solo Ishkur - The Bane] Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Energized Reactive Membrane II 1MN Afterburner II Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Small Diminishing Power System Drain I [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x5 What does everyone think? Is there any point in using the targeting inhibitor? Is it going to make anything miss that wouldn't miss otherwise? Personally, I like the 3 guns and nos. I like the AB and scrambler. I like this DC and SAR. These leaves two open slots, one low and one mid. Here are some options imo Low MFS- More damage but enough increase for what you are giving up in survivability? Energized Reactive Membrane II- shores up your weakness to explo damage Armor Explo Hard II- same idea except you get more defense but at the cost of cap- worth it? Mid Web- Most classic, lets you dictate pace and ruin tracking and all that jazz. Target Disruptor- unsure how useful it will be for defense. it will also mean you wont be able to slow down if ship as an AB. Cap Booster- depending on set-up you might need this. One last question, regarding the drone bay would hammerheads not work? I know there is no chance they can hit interceptors and other size ships, but wouldn't they be really useful for webbed cruisers and up?
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.19 09:35:00 - [4] you only have 25 bandwidth, and 5 light drones >>> 2 meds + 1 light.
IceWarriors Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.05.19 09:36:00 - [5] Edited by: IceWarriors on 19/05/2009 09:37:03 yeah
Makko Gray Gallente Nexus Aerospace Corporation	Posted - 2009.05.19 12:52:00 - [6] Originally by: IceWarriors [Ishkur, EVEMON Turelle's solo Ishkur - The Bane] Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Energized Reactive Membrane II 1MN Afterburner II Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Small Diminishing Power System Drain I [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x5 This fits pretty good. Swap out the armor hardener for others as required, particularly if you know what you'll be facing. You'll want to be take care of Interceptors, Vexors and some other drone boats - swapping Hobgoblins for Warriors may help against Interceptors. I've found it quite good in fleet battles for taking out enemy drones while the heavy hitters take out the ships. There's a good post on the wiki with some basic Ishkur fits http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Ishkur_(Fitting) I have more fun with my ishkur than any other ships at the moment.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.19 12:54:00 - [7] Fit an afterburene and you die to competent PvP players. Use an MWD :) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Makko Gray Gallente Nexus Aerospace Corporation	Posted - 2009.05.19 13:10:00 - [8] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Fit an afterburene and you die to competent PvP players. Use an MWD :) I think MWD fails on blaster fit Ishkurs since warp scramble changes, as soon as someone gets scramble (and espcially if they web as well) on you with MWD your as good as dead. With an AB, depending what you're facing, you may have enough speed still to survive. An MWD is a must on rail fits though.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.19 13:30:00 - [9] Originally by: Makko Gray Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Fit an afterburene and you die to competent PvP players. Use an MWD :) I think MWD fails on blaster fit Ishkurs since warp scramble changes, as soon as someone gets scramble (and espcially if they web as well) on you with MWD your as good as dead. With an AB, depending what you're facing, you may have enough speed still to survive. An MWD is a must on rail fits though. Yes, rails is better for AFs imo. Ishkur got a huge advantage in drone damage, so it should do well with MWD and rails. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Makko Gray Gallente Nexus Aerospace Corporation	Posted - 2009.05.19 13:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Yes, rails is better for AFs imo. Ishkur got a huge advantage in drone damage, so it should do well with MWD and rails. I think rails will work better against most Interceptors, also rails fits do have the advantage over blasters that they're not quite so committed. If things start to turn sour your more likely to be able to make good your escape (provided you've not got a warp scamble on you - which if you do serves you right for getting so close in a rail fit). With blaster fits your general orbiting at 1km which even with AB you'll likely only be doing 500-600m/s due to the tightness of the orbit, your much more committed and if things go sour with this fit there's less chance of escape.

Krikx Gallente Dark Syde Exploration Exxxotic	Posted - 2009.05.19 14:59:00 - [11] Originally by: IceWarriors ... What does everyone think? Is there any point in using the targeting inhibitor? Is it going to make anything miss that wouldn't miss otherwise? ... One last question, regarding the drone bay would hammerheads not work? I know there is no chance they can hit interceptors and other size ships, but wouldn't they be really useful for webbed cruisers and up? I have done quiet a bit of testing against a wolf but no other ships. With the Targetting inhibitor on I rarely even needed to run the SAR II. With it turned off I had to run it almost constantly. I was just orbitting him not attacking him while he used everything he had on me. Make sure you use Tracking Speed Disruption script with this fit also. Hammerheads are useless becuase you only have the bandwidth for 5 lights. With 25m3 bandwidth you can use 5 T2 lights or 2x medium 1 x light. The damamge is higher with 5x lights. Plus you gain the added ability to hit inty's and they are smaller so harder to target. The mediums will get killed faster. 5x lights is much better for the ishkur.
Creepo Depot	Posted - 2009.05.19 16:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Makko Gray Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Fit an afterburene and you die to competent PvP players. Use an MWD :) I think MWD fails on blaster fit Ishkurs since warp scramble changes, as soon as someone gets scramble (and espcially if they web as well) on you with MWD your as good as dead. With an AB, depending what you're facing, you may have enough speed still to survive. An MWD is a must on rail fits though. No, this is the mistake people always make. Yes, an AB is better when you are orbiting close, I can't disagree with that. However, if you have an AB a competent player will NEVER let you in that close in the first place, because cruisers and battlecruisers are mostly faster than you with their mwd running. The only ships that will let you in that range are the Wolf/Jaguar. However, they are STILL faster than you if you both have ABs and you are both webbed, and if hes any good he will keep you around 6-7km and kite you anyway. I'd rather take my chance on him having a warp disruptor rather than scram, allowing me to win with a MWD. Also, as we all know, pvp is almost never 1v1. A MWD opens up so many tactics when facing superior numbers, I can't imagine not fitting one.
Flying ZombieJesus	Posted - 2009.05.19 16:41:00 - [13] Thread semi-hijacking, commencing : I'm currently replacing my ishkur (note to everyone, ishkur cannot tank the last room of that Drone DED 5/10 plex) I had an AB & rails on it, but was looking to swap to the wmd just in case I got jumped. The primary purpose of this is to fly around in lowsec and find plex/radar sites. Ideally I want to avoid pvp, but if it comes, i'd rather not make a lolmail. This is what I was thinking : [Ishkur, non-lolmail] Damage Control II SAR II EANM I (only hull IV, shh) Corelum-C MWD Codebreaker Cap Recharger 125mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge S / Spike S 125mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge S / Spike S 125mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge S / Spike S Core Probe launcher [Hybrid Collision] [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x5 This setup, with my skills, is cap stable - max skills is stable without the recharger. To the OP, I really liked the AB ishkur, and it worked out really well for both lvl2 and lvl3 missions with the AB on it. It also performed admirably in a small gang where we were doing the agression. I wanted to switch to the WMD due to all my solo travel in lowsec. open question : Does the wmd work in plexes?
UMEE Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.05.19 17:19:00 - [14] Edited by: UMEE on 19/05/2009 17:21:32 ive been testing the following setup for a few weeks, and been having a lot of success with it: 3x125mm, small yf-12a smartbomb 1mn mwd II, warp disruptor II, small cap booster II nano II, OD II, DCU II 5 hob II's, 4 warrior II's tips/conclusions: - this is a pvp setup; AB/blaster setups are superior in PVE - smartbomb is there to shake off light drones; works great. - cap booster ensures u can perma run everything - dont worry about fitting blasters or a repper; the point is to zip around while your drones do the work - OD and nano ensure you go at least 2.6km/s without overheating; this is faster than most AF's, and all cruisers; t1 frigs and inties that go faster than you can be disposed of in a matter of seconds; i'm afraid of properly fitted jaguars...thats about it. - this is a long range setup and is vastly more versatile than any AB/blaster loadout - dont fit ec-300's...they almost never get a jam off; instead, fit two different damage type drones
Roeger	Posted - 2009.05.19 18:55:00 - [15] Originally by: UMEE Edited by: UMEE on 19/05/2009 17:21:32 ive been testing the following setup for a few weeks, and been having a lot of success with it: 3x125mm, small yf-12a smartbomb 1mn mwd II, warp disruptor II, small cap booster II nano II, OD II, DCU II 5 hob II's, 4 warrior II's Just out of interest (I don't have much PvP experience): when would you use warrior drones and when the hobgoblins? Are there specific ship types in which you would prefer one over the other?
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.05.19 18:59:00 - [16] Originally by: Roeger Originally by: UMEE Edited by: UMEE on 19/05/2009 17:21:32 ive been testing the following setup for a few weeks, and been having a lot of success with it: 3x125mm, small yf-12a smartbomb 1mn mwd II, warp disruptor II, small cap booster II nano II, OD II, DCU II 5 hob II's, 4 warrior II's Just out of interest (I don't have much PvP experience): when would you use warrior drones and when the hobgoblins? Are there specific ship types in which you would prefer one over the other? Warriors against intys or fast frigates, hobs against everything else.
Yakown Reth	Posted - 2009.05.27 04:45:00 - [17] thanks for all your comments and of course new comments are welcome but would it be worth it to maybe throw some rigs on it? if so what would be a good idea for both a blaster or a rail fit
Psiri	Posted - 2009.05.27 05:08:00 - [18] Really people, there's no good enough reason to fit an AB on an Ishkur. Your transversal without an AB will be sufficient to get the job done versus medium sized ships, even if you do get webbed. The benefit of a MWD should be fairly obvious to anyone. Now a far more interesting question is the ranged vs close range fit, personally I'd go with the close range variant m'self. [Ishkur, PvP 500m active repair] Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Small Armor Repairer II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Warp Scrambler II Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Small Nosferatu II Hobgoblin II x5


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