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DJTheBaron Caldari FinFleet KenZoku	Posted - 2009.05.19 09:26:00 - [1] Edited by: DJTheBaron on 19/05/2009 09:28:07 A collegue of mine just dumped a scan on my desk from his paper, found it online. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/5344839/Virtual-world-is-a-real-money-maker.html __________ "The Views & Opinions Expressed In This Post Represent Your Own, So Dont Bother Arguing"
Future Tense Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2009.05.19 09:27:00 - [2] Edited by: Future Tense on 19/05/2009 09:27:39 Spelt Daily wrong :P Nice find tho!
DJTheBaron Caldari FinFleet KenZoku	Posted - 2009.05.19 09:29:00 - [3] Multitasking 4tl, collegue just came back with a new scan without half the info cutoff. Time to bloody read it then __________ "The Views & Opinions Expressed In This Post Represent Your Own, So Dont Bother Arguing"
Arrs Grazznic Pawn Sauce Unlimited Horizons	Posted - 2009.05.19 09:35:00 - [4] Quote: but all profits are currently being reinvested in Eve Online and also into creating World of Darkness, a new online subscription game about vampires targeting an 18-25-year-old, female demographic. Cheers, Arrs
Malvaceae Veri	Posted - 2009.05.19 09:38:00 - [5] Originally by: Arrs Grazznic Quote: but all profits are currently being reinvested in Eve Online and also into creating World of Darkness, a new online subscription game about vampires targeting an 18-25-year-old, female demographic. Cheers, Arrs Tell me this is not true. Please, for the love of all the Gods, Demons, Fallen, Werewolves, Changelings, Vampires, Antedeluvians, Wraith, Mummies, and all treatures of WoD that the MMO will not target 18-25 girls. WoD is supposed to be a dark, inhuman place, not a playground for all those goth wannabees.
LordSwift Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.19 09:39:00 - [6] Edited by: LordSwift on 19/05/2009 09:39:47 Quote: The graphics are film quality, with players piloting ships resembling the Starship Enterprise Since where do we fly those sorts of ships or one that looks anythin like the enterprise. Didnt realise i was playing Star trek online! Join the brown Coats today!!!
DJTheBaron Caldari FinFleet KenZoku	Posted - 2009.05.19 09:41:00 - [7] Goth girls & rock chics are the best. But given the number of female avatars in EVE, good luck finding a real one in WOD __________ "The Views & Opinions Expressed In This Post Represent Your Own, So Dont Bother Arguing"
Malvaceae Veri	Posted - 2009.05.19 09:44:00 - [8] Originally by: DJTheBaron Goth girls & rock chics are the best. No denying that, I like them myself, very much, but I dont really think that they could pull of something like VtM:Bloodlines was. And WoD players are predominantly male, as are EVE players, and honestly, I fear that WoD could become seriously toned down abnd fluffied up, seeing as what passes as goth these days. Man, I am grumpy today.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.19 09:45:00 - [9] Originally by: Malvaceae Veri Tell me this is not true. Please, for the love of all the Gods, Demons, Fallen, Werewolves, Changelings, Vampires, Antedeluvians, Wraith, Mummies, and all treatures of WoD that the MMO will not target 18-25 girls. Why not? The P&PRPGs did… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Ciylana Nemamiah Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.05.19 09:50:00 - [10] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Malvaceae Veri Tell me this is not true. Please, for the love of all the Gods, Demons, Fallen, Werewolves, Changelings, Vampires, Antedeluvians, Wraith, Mummies, and all treatures of WoD that the MMO will not target 18-25 girls. Why not? The P&PRPGs didà And it worked. WoD is the best PnP RPG I have played. --
Khalm Pyydys	Posted - 2009.05.19 10:19:00 - [11] This post has been cleared of inappropriate content. Regards, The EVE Online Moderation team
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.05.19 10:26:00 - [12] Quote: While the number of subscribers is modest in comparison to World of Warcraft, it has become the second largest player in the market with 300,000 paying subscribers. We're... #2? ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf
Grez Minmatar Core Contingency	Posted - 2009.05.19 10:40:00 - [13] Originally by: Verite Rendition Quote: While the number of subscribers is modest in comparison to World of Warcraft, it has become the second largest player in the market with 300,000 paying subscribers. We're... #2? Yup, we recently overtook WAR :D --- Grez: I shot the sheriff Kalazar: But I could not lock the Deputy BECAUSE OF FALCON
Mr Crepsley Gallente SkillzKillz United For 0rder	Posted - 2009.05.19 10:42:00 - [14] Quote: "The Russian players are particularly good at the military aspects of the game," he says, adding that each nationality has its fortT. I lol'd ---- Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
Lee Thrace The Accursed	Posted - 2009.05.19 10:55:00 - [15] Originally by: LordSwift Edited by: LordSwift on 19/05/2009 09:39:47 Quote: The graphics are film quality, with players piloting ships resembling the Starship Enterprise Since where do we fly those sorts of ships or one that looks anythin like the enterprise. Didnt realise i was playing Star trek online! same. maybe it's a special ship that's yet to come out! ^^
Miriel Amarinth	Posted - 2009.05.19 11:03:00 - [16] Originally by: LordSwift Edited by: LordSwift on 19/05/2009 09:39:47 Quote: The graphics are film quality, with players piloting ships resembling the Starship Enterprise Since where do we fly those sorts of ships or one that looks anythin like the enterprise. Didnt realise i was playing Star trek online! I dunno. Maybe they spent too much time staring at the Nyx?
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2009.05.19 11:10:00 - [17] Originally by: Arrs Grazznic Quote: but all profits are currently being reinvested in Eve Online and also into creating World of Darkness, a new online subscription game about vampires targeting an 35-65, male stalker demographic. Cheers, Arrs fixed it for you. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.05.19 11:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Arrs Grazznic Quote: but all profits are currently being reinvested in Eve Online and also into creating World of Darkness, a new online subscription game about vampires targeting an 35-65, male stalker demographic. Cheers, Arrs fixed it for you. It's funny because it's true
Terra Vex	Posted - 2009.05.19 11:34:00 - [19] Nice find Quote: World of Darkness, a new online subscription game about vampires targeting an 18-25-year-old, female demographic Id pay a sub just to troll it
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2009.05.19 11:45:00 - [20] Edited by: Lindsay Logan on 19/05/2009 11:47:19 Originally by: Ciylana Nemamiah And it worked. WoD is the best PnP RPG I have played. Same here. I loved it :) Simple rules, easy to play and easy to GM. Lots of fun no "rule bikering" like in D&D.
LordSwift Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.19 11:46:00 - [21] Edited by: LordSwift on 19/05/2009 11:48:14 Originally by: Lee Thrace Originally by: LordSwift Edited by: LordSwift on 19/05/2009 09:39:47 Quote: The graphics are film quality, with players piloting ships resembling the Starship Enterprise Since where do we fly those sorts of ships or one that looks anythin like the enterprise. Didnt realise i was playing Star trek online! same. maybe it's a special ship that's yet to come out! ^^ Maybe a wormhole opens up into the star trek universe and we get to shoot klingons or the borg On further thought into this, i think it would be really sweet if there was a cross over. Capsuleers vs Star trek captains. kinda mute since we have clones Join the brown Coats today!!!
Malvaceae Veri	Posted - 2009.05.19 11:48:00 - [22] Originally by: Lindsay Logan Originally by: Ciylana Nemamiah And it worked. WoD is the best PnP RPG I have played. Same here. I loved it :) Simply rules, easy to play and easy to GM. Lots of fun no "rule bikering" like in D&D. As this thread is now about WoD, anyone interested in a play-by-mail session in which all characters _must_ have non-humainty etchical paths?
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.19 11:48:00 - [23] Originally by: Malvaceae Veri Tell me this is not true. Please, for the love of all the Gods, Demons, Fallen, Werewolves, Changelings, Vampires, Antedeluvians, Wraith, Mummies, and all treatures of WoD that the MMO will not target 18-25 girls. WoD is supposed to be a dark, inhuman place, not a playground for all those goth wannabees. 18-25 yr old goth chicks? Where do I sign up?
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.19 11:50:00 - [24] Originally by: LordSwift Maybe a wormhole opens up into the star trek universe and we get to shoot klingons or the borg On further thought into this, i think it would be really sweet if there was a cross over. Capsuleers vs Star trek captains. kinda mute since we have clones It should clearly open up into the Pegasus galaxy - the Wraith have clones too :) I take your Wraith cruiser and raise you 5 RR Battleships!
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.05.19 11:53:00 - [25] Originally by: LordSwift Edited by: LordSwift on 19/05/2009 09:39:47 Quote: The graphics are film quality, with players piloting ships resembling the Starship Enterprise Since where do we fly those sorts of ships or one that looks anythin like the enterprise. Didnt realise i was playing Star trek online! It's a reasonably good simile to convey to a lay audience the scale of the ships we command. I didn't read it as "the ships look just like" the Enterprise. Actually, I thought the article was surprisingly good. Necessarily, it hugely simplified the nature of the game, but it described EvE very well to it's intended audience. It's good publicity for CCP too.
Tiny Tove	Posted - 2009.05.19 11:55:00 - [26] Gosh it almost made me think that this is a for profit endeavour that makes each and every decision based on how much coin it will generate for the shareholders regardless of whether you're a carebear or a pirate. Geee what were the odds?
Corvin Demeter Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.19 12:02:00 - [27] Quote: While Mr Veigar PTtursson, the company's former chief technology officer, was instrumental in creating the game, he does not get time to play it. "Being chief executive of a virtual company on Eve Online is a full-time job. I can't find the time to do both," I find this fact very disturbing...should I?
Misanth The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.05.19 12:03:00 - [28] Originally by: DJTheBaron Goth girls & rock chics are the best. They look great, but your life will turn hell (and not in a good way). - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.05.19 12:03:00 - [29] Originally by: Tiny Tove Gosh it almost made me think that this is a for profit endeavour that makes each and every decision based on how much coin it will generate for the shareholders regardless of whether you're a carebear or a pirate. Geee what were the odds? Train Reading I to avoid making yourself look silly.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance	Posted - 2009.05.19 12:06:00 - [30] Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Originally by: Malvaceae Veri Tell me this is not true. Please, for the love of all the Gods, Demons, Fallen, Werewolves, Changelings, Vampires, Antedeluvians, Wraith, Mummies, and all treatures of WoD that the MMO will not target 18-25 girls. WoD is supposed to be a dark, inhuman place, not a playground for all those goth wannabees. 18-25 yr old goth chicks? Where do I sign up? Indeed, sounds like a great game lol.
Serpents smile	Posted - 2009.05.19 12:07:00 - [31] Originally by: Misanth Originally by: DJTheBaron Goth girls & rock chics are the best. They look great, but your life will turn hell (and not in a good way). Just tie them up.
Misanth The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.05.19 12:08:00 - [32] Originally by: Serpents smile Originally by: Misanth Originally by: DJTheBaron Goth girls & rock chics are the best. They look great, but your life will turn hell (and not in a good way). Just tie them up. Actually that might've solved alot of issues I had with my last two gf's.. hmm. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Stitcher Caldari ForgeTech Industries	Posted - 2009.05.19 12:25:00 - [33] I'd just like to point out that this is the Daily Telegraph, who are.... not known for being terribly accurate. In that they tend to dumb down their articles for the lowest commmon denominator. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2009.05.19 12:36:00 - [34] Edited by: Nyphur on 19/05/2009 12:37:29 It makes sense. EVE Online has reached relative market saturation in a growing market. More targetted advertising and word of mouth can only go so far, EVE's growth is restricted by the growth of the MMO market and particularly their chosen niche (25-30 male sci-fi fans). This is likely to increase by Star Trek Online and SWToR bringing in heaploads of new players to this market with the popularity of their IP, some of which will eventually bleed into EVE. Due to EVE's higher than average player retention, as long as the competing games don't have higher player retention rates, those players will tend to accumulate in EVE and it should still see steady growth. But to grow the market quickly requires targeting a new niche entirely and WoD doing that makes sense. You'll see companies like Funcom, SOE and NCsoft are currently trying to get a game in every bracket they can think of as a way to diversify their product line and lower risk. It's a bit silly when one studio is putting out so many games but it's at least in theory a good idea from a classical marketing standpoint (See the trouble General Motors went through in the 1960s and how they solved it by placing a car in each price bracket). For CCP, it makes more sense to go for maximum penetration of one new niche with the goal that they would dominate this new market. Their current revenue stream is solid and significant, they don't need to diversify so heavily to lower financial risk. With any luck, WoD will top its genre and see similar a growth pattern to EVE. Though I'd be interested to see how much of an initial influx of players it gains and where those players come from. I think that's key to understanding and explaining any post-launch player retention issues the game may have. Much better than not being able to explain the dropping number of subs and then having to hide the sub numbers from investors like AoC has :p. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.05.19 13:10:00 - [35] Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 19/05/2009 12:37:29 It makes sense. EVE Online has reached relative market saturation in a growing market. Um, 25% increase in subs in less than 6 months is "saturated"? That's the kind of saturation most companies would be pretty happy with.
Terror Dactyl	Posted - 2009.05.19 13:16:00 - [36] Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 19/05/2009 12:37:29 EVE's growth is restricted by the growth of the MMO market and particularly their chosen niche (25-30 male sci-fi fans). Did CCP really choose that niche of 25-30 (I agreed with the rest of your post)? None of the people I play EvE with fit in that age bracket, including myself... Because of the relative complexity of EvE and higher levels of concentration required, I would have thought it appeals to a higher age bracket (just an assumption)? I know of a pensioner who played until last year (he got podded in real life and didn't have an up-to-date clone unfortunately... ahem)... I would like to see some sort of stats for market demographic for the eve player-base if anyone knows of any?
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.19 13:22:00 - [37] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Tiny Tove Gosh it almost made me think that this is a for profit endeavour that makes each and every decision based on how much coin it will generate for the shareholders regardless of whether you're a carebear or a pirate. Geee what were the odds? Train Reading I to avoid making yourself look silly. Even non-public companies can have shareholders. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Terror Dactyl	Posted - 2009.05.19 13:28:00 - [38] Quote: "The Russian players are particularly good at the military aspects of the game," he says, adding that each nationality has its fortT. By extension then, the English are great at forming an orderly queue at the Jita Stargate and not complaining too much... The North Americans invade a region to get it's resources whilst not caring a jot about the indigenous peoples... The French complain and go on strike whenever CCP nerfs something, or, in reality, whenever they feel like it... I was going to add something about middle-eastern types and suicide ganking, but that would be in poor taste...
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2009.05.19 13:29:00 - [39] Congratulations CCP for winning the "Vision & Future Growth Potential" Award. I think that is well deserved
Great Artista Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.05.19 13:35:00 - [40] Quote: ...with players piloting ships resembling the Starship Enterprise... No thanks. And aye, congrats to CCP for the prize. ____ Rockets need a boost. CCP status: [_] Told. [x] Not told. ◕◡◕
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.05.19 16:40:00 - [41] Where did the Telegraph get $15 a month from? That's pretty cheap, I wouldn't mind paying the equivilent of $15 a month. Try more like 15 euros's + transaction fee a month. Absolute best price you can get online is buying US GTC's for $17.50 a month.
Dillon Arklight Re-Genesis Holdings Aegis Militia	Posted - 2009.05.19 18:57:00 - [42] Nice find. While the article may not be terribly accurate it is publicity which can only help CCP with attracting more 'escapists' to the game. Co-host of PODDED Podcast http://podded.libsyn.com/
Herzog Wolfhammer	Posted - 2009.05.19 19:08:00 - [43] Will "World of Darkness" have "Coffin Camping" and "Coven Blob warfare" ? I don't think the 18-25 year old female demographic will like that - but that would add truth to "EMORAGEQUIT".
Viqer Fell Minmatar When Hippo Attacks Go Wrong	Posted - 2009.05.19 19:09:00 - [44] What are they banging on about escapsts for? I haven't been out of my pod in bloody months. Sig removed, only one image per sig - Mitnal 6 years in eve and all I got was this cr*p sig bumper sticker from Mitnal :P
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.05.19 19:30:00 - [45] Its interesting they they actually admit WD is aimed at chicks. I suspect there will be plenty of gay guys though. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Lardarz B'stard Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.05.19 19:33:00 - [46] Quote: The Russian players are particularly good at the military aspects of the game -----------------------------------------------
Malvaceae Veri Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.05.19 19:34:00 - [47] Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Will "World of Darkness" have "Coffin Camping" and "Coven Blob warfare" ? I don't think the 18-25 year old female demographic will like that - but that would add truth to "EMORAGEQUIT". Imho, a truly well-executed representation of the WoD gorup combat mechanics should make that impossible. Besides, there is always the sewer. What really interest me is how they are going to implement ghouls, if at all. Would be cool to have some "minions" who can walk in daylight and do your bidding. Hey, what about dual charring? Nighttime, you play your vampire character, in daytime, you play your ghoul. I am so going to make a Malkavian. Or a Daughter of Cacophony if bloodlines are going to be implemented. I sure hope the demented, all-seeing, nothing-interpreting foresight of our borcken little selves will be implemented well. As for my earlier booing of the game and its targets, disregard it as a barin fat, the exams are eating away what is left of my mind after a child of the Great Shatterer of Realities Falsehood has made my blood flow with distruption and distortion, and the daimon within me claims ever new terriotires of my sleves with each moth I guide into a cnadle. ______________________________ (sig begins here) Thy life is failfit!
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.05.19 19:37:00 - [48] Originally by: Terror Dactyl Quote: "The Russian players are particularly good at the military aspects of the game," he says, adding that each nationality has its fortT. By extension then, the English are great at forming an orderly queue at the Jita Stargate and not complaining too much... The North Americans invade a region to get it's resources whilst not caring a jot about the indigenous peoples... The French complain and go on strike whenever CCP nerfs something, or, in reality, whenever they feel like it... I was going to add something about middle-eastern types and suicide ganking, but that would be in poor taste... That sounds surprisingly accurate. Where English = Highsec dwellers. North Americans = Goons (They invade BoB space to grab what they can in the cluster****) and French = TCF, who have the biggest alliance(s) in eve napped and surrender any fight they somehow manage to come out in equal odds against. ___________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 ^Third Times a Charm^
Karpathias	Posted - 2009.05.19 19:39:00 - [49] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Where did the Telegraph get $15 a month from? That's pretty cheap, I wouldn't mind paying the equivilent of $15 a month. Try more like 15 euros's + transaction fee a month. Absolute best price you can get online is buying US GTC's for $17.50 a month. I pay $14.95/month
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance	Posted - 2009.05.19 19:40:00 - [50] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Terror Dactyl Quote: "The Russian players are particularly good at the military aspects of the game," he says, adding that each nationality has its fortT. By extension then, the English are great at forming an orderly queue at the Jita Stargate and not complaining too much... The North Americans invade a region to get it's resources whilst not caring a jot about the indigenous peoples... The French complain and go on strike whenever CCP nerfs something, or, in reality, whenever they feel like it... I was going to add something about middle-eastern types and suicide ganking, but that would be in poor taste... That sounds surprisingly accurate. Where English = Highsec dwellers. North Americans = Goons (They invade BoB space to grab what they can in the cluster****) and French = TCF, who have the biggest alliance(s) in eve napped and surrender any fight they somehow manage to come out in equal odds against. I lol'ed cause its mostly true.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.05.19 19:49:00 - [51] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Where did the Telegraph get $15 a month from? That's pretty cheap, I wouldn't mind paying the equivilent of $15 a month. Try more like 15 euros's + transaction fee a month. Absolute best price you can get online is buying US GTC's for $17.50 a month. Speak for yourself - I'm paying ú14.99 per 2 months for the rest of the year. BTW I thought you were quitting eve because you didn't manage to get any cheap play.co box sets which was CCPs fault or something.
TimGascoigne The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.05.19 19:54:00 - [52] and in the next article it looks I have been claiming MPs expenses for my eve subscription.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2009.05.19 20:33:00 - [53] Edited by: Nyphur on 19/05/2009 20:33:39 Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Nyphur It makes sense. EVE Online has reached relative market saturation in a growing market. Um, 25% increase in subs in less than 6 months is "saturated"? That's the kind of saturation most companies would be pretty happy with. No, you're missing the point. A lot of the increase in subscription numbers can be easily attributed to the growth of the MMO market as a whole and specifically the sci-fi genre, which is expanding due to non-fantasy MMOs becoming more popular, which is a result of the fantasy MMO market being saturated. CCP have retained a relatively high level of market penetration within their chosen niche, it's just that the niche is expanding. I'm not saying CCP's chosen market niche is saturated and the sky is falling, I'm saying CCP holds a very high portion of that niche and that it's expanding, which is a very good position for CCP. In fact, it's brilliant that their main competition coming is a Star Trek MMO and a Star Wars MMO as these are more likely to bring in players from outside the market than to steal those inside it that CCP needs. Black Prophecy is the only real contender on the horizon and I still don't know what its gameplay is like. Originally by: Terror Dactyl Did CCP really choose that niche of 25-30 (I agreed with the rest of your post)? It's highly likely that CCP just released the game and then watched what type of person makes up the majority of players. That's how most businesses "select" their target niche, they just fling a good product out and see who likes it. It's only after the current demographics have been identified that a company can go on to target them more directly. I'd imagine the vast majority of players actually do fall within that niche. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
Lara Dantreb New Horizons	Posted - 2009.05.19 21:49:00 - [54] Originally by: Terror Dactyl The French complain and go on strike whenever CCP nerfs something, or, in reality, whenever they feel like it... Being french myself, that one made me lol, I can't disagree, really
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.05.19 21:51:00 - [55] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: 5pinDizzy Where did the Telegraph get $15 a month from? That's pretty cheap, I wouldn't mind paying the equivilent of $15 a month. Try more like 15 euros's + transaction fee a month. Absolute best price you can get online is buying US GTC's for $17.50 a month. Speak for yourself - I'm paying ú14.99 per 2 months for the rest of the year. BTW I thought you were quitting eve because you didn't manage to get any cheap play.co box sets which was CCPs fault or something. I remember saying I'm paying with ISK for GTC's from now on if I don't come across a deal as good as the play.com one as it was the last straw for me on the crappy pricing they do for UK. A lot of American boxsets would all get brought up by Brits if there were allowed to ship them, I've seen them at good prices if you convert the currency, which just goes to show.
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2009.05.19 23:36:00 - [56] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 19/05/2009 12:37:29 It makes sense. EVE Online has reached relative market saturation in a growing market. Um, 25% increase in subs in less than 6 months is "saturated"? That's the kind of saturation most companies would be pretty happy with. Subs != players. Of that 25% increase, about half are new alts for a guy called "Imperian", the rest are Goon capital alts. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Captain Megadeath	Posted - 2009.05.19 23:37:00 - [57] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Where did the Telegraph get $15 a month from? That's pretty cheap, I wouldn't mind paying the equivilent of $15 a month. Try more like 15 euros's + transaction fee a month. Absolute best price you can get online is buying US GTC's for $17.50 a month. Swings and roundabouts. Didn't hear a peep from you when the UK was paying about ú9/month. Instead of blaming CCP, blame the dictator Gordon brown and his cronies.
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.05.19 23:45:00 - [58] Naughty 5pindizzy, correcting the telegraph article. Slaps self Happy yet? Next flame plz.
Tiny Tove	Posted - 2009.05.20 09:49:00 - [59] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Tiny Tove Gosh it almost made me think that this is a for profit endeavour that makes each and every decision based on how much coin it will generate for the shareholders regardless of whether you're a carebear or a pirate. Geee what were the odds? Train Reading I to avoid making yourself look silly. Even non-public companies can have shareholders. I didn't want to be the one to break it to him, he seemed so.... knowing... and confident... it was almost as though he's had literally years of experience of pointless trolling....
Micia Minmatar Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:03:00 - [60] Quote: Mr Veigar PTtursson, the company's former chief technology officer, was instrumental in creating the game, he does not get time to play it. Colour me PO'd at the past week's (and ongoing current) crippling bug issues, but I think he should maybe try loggin' in to see what's up.
Pesky LaRue Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:03:00 - [61] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Where did the Telegraph get $15 a month from? That's pretty cheap, I wouldn't mind paying the equivilent of $15 a month. Try more like 15 euros's + transaction fee a month. Absolute best price you can get online is buying US GTC's for $17.50 a month. that's what it costs if you live in the US and subscribe in dollars. complicated stuff, i know. \|+ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ +\|
Pesky LaRue Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:07:00 - [62] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Naughty 5pindizzy, correcting the telegraph article. Slaps self Happy yet? Next flame plz. you didn't correct it at all, you simply showed a lack of understanding that perhaps not everything is based on your currency? and not a flame, just an observation. \|+ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ +\|
Tippia Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:07:00 - [63] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Where did the Telegraph get $15 a month from? The price list? Hell, even if you pay in good old € you can get it down to $15/mo. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Pesky LaRue Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:11:00 - [64] Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 20/05/2009 10:11:42 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: 5pinDizzy Where did the Telegraph get $15 a month from? The price list? Hell, even if you pay in good old Ç you can get it down to $15/mo. shhhh - don't bother him with logic or reason, he's enjoying his emorage ;) \|+ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ +\|
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:16:00 - [65] Originally by: Malvaceae Veri Tell me this is not true. Please, for the love of all the Gods, Demons, Fallen, Werewolves, Changelings, Vampires, Antedeluvians, Wraith, Mummies, and all treatures of WoD that the MMO will not target 18-25 girls. WoD is supposed to be a dark, inhuman place, not a playground for all those goth wannabees. I never realized how fitting that demographic was, until I saw this... In any case, supported as long as they create an EvE - WoD crossover dating service, longtime subscribers only. ^_^
Tippia Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:43:00 - [66] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab In any case, supported as long as they create an EvE - WoD crossover dating service, longtime subscribers only. ^_^ You've discovered CCP's secret evil plan… I'd watch out for strange dark vans with wierdly-spelled Icelandic words on them from now on if I were you. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Slave 2739FKZ	Posted - 2009.05.20 15:03:00 - [67] I endorse 18-25 years old girls target audience, sure there are decent ones amongst all the nerds which will play the game!

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