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konflict1
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Posted - 2009.05.19 09:41:00 -
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hi
i played a lot in amarr empire(missioning), barely noticing that i was killing my gallente faction standing.
now that i am close to -5,(and it will likely go to -10 on the current trend)
Q1- should i care? as i will probably not travel in gallente region anytime soon? what do i lose in being KOS with gallente& minmatar
Q2: if it goes to -10, is there a way to bring it back to a positive value on a long term basis?(i am not ready yet to spend a lot of time training social skills)
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GyokZoli
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.19 11:15:00 -
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 Originally by: konflict1
Q1- should i care? as i will probably not travel in gallente region anytime soon? what do i lose in being KOS with gallente& minmatar
Yeah, you cannot enter their space and obviously cannot access anything there (for example: you may be having problem with future epic mission arcs).
Originally by: konflict1
Q2: if it goes to -10, is there a way to bring it back to a positive value on a long term basis?(i am not ready yet to spend a lot of time training social skills)
Atm you can bring back the negative faction standings only with storyline missons. Since you will not be able to access gallente and minmatar agents, your only option may be Sisters of Eve agents since SoE storylines give you a slight standing increase toward gallente and minmatar. But you have to be careful with your standings since even SoE agents ignore you if you have worse standing than -2.0 with the SoE faction.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.05.19 12:04:00 -
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Cost me a couple of ships, actually. One because I was on AP from cal -> min space and I missed the one gallente system it crossed into.
Another because my Itty was bumped multiple times as it was aligning, which gave GN enough time to pop it.
As long as you are at the controls, it's easy staying alive, but, at the same time it's also easy/quick to lose weak ships.
Shuttle will often make it through on AP still, and I've taken my T2 shuttles (rigged inties) on AP through gal space too, but not without some nervosity / worry.
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konflict1
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Posted - 2009.05.19 12:15:00 -
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thx for your input.
losing some future epic arc is annoying indeed but nothing compared to bringing back gallente faction from -5 to positive.
up to now it is not enough to convince me to start farming SoV missions
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Ta'jek
Angels Of Death EVE
Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.19 12:54:00 -
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diplomacy skills are fairly short training time compared to running lots of missions... plus they cover a wide range of npc corps
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Deshcag
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.05.19 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: GyokZoli
Originally by: konflict1
Q1- should i care? as i will probably not travel in gallente region anytime soon? what do i lose in being KOS with gallente& minmatar
Yeah, you cannot enter their space and obviously cannot access anything there (for example: you may be having problem with future epic mission arcs).
thats wrong
im -6.5 to gallente and docked this morning in Dodixie Fed-station.
every time you enter gall space you will get a warning that you only have few seconds to flee before gall navy will shoot you.
as long as you are in a fast ship (shuttle, frig) you wont have any problems moving through gall space.
i wouldnt try that with slow aligning ships
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.05.19 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Deshcag
thats wrong
im -6.5 to gallente and docked this morning in Dodixie Fed-station.
every time you enter gall space you will get a warning that you only have few seconds to flee before gall navy will shoot you.
as long as you are in a fast ship (shuttle, frig) you wont have any problems moving through gall space.
i wouldnt try that with slow aligning ships
As they web but don't scram, big ship travel is faster then ever, as GN give you a nice strong webbing every time, after maybe 5-8 seconds, causing instant warp.
Only problem is undocking if you don't have anything in line with undocking point to warp to, and you get bumped in something weak, like a hauler.
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Babel
Utopian Research I.E.L.
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2009.05.19 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: GyokZoli
Originally by: konflict1
Q1- should i care? as i will probably not travel in gallente region anytime soon? what do i lose in being KOS with gallente& minmatar
Yeah, you cannot enter their space and obviously cannot access anything there
Not true - you can enter hostile hisec with no problem at all ..... the gates don't stop working, stations won't refuse you docking rights :)
You do however get a response from the local Faction Navy ... couple of frigates and a Cruiser in 0.5 graded up to BS unpleasantness in 1.0. These you are at liberty to tank/avoid/destroy as you like ... and they DO NOT scramble you ... but they will constantly respawn and will permanently stop you from using a cloak.
Is an inconvenience, not an outright ban :) - Go experiment with what you can get away with [eg. 90% of travel situations] or not [eg. afk'ing a Freighter] ....
Agents?, yes - don't expect them to talk to you [including COSMOS, datacenter ones] if yr adjusted faction standing is lower than -2.00. But for intermittent shopping [insta-undock BMs from popular trade hub stations a good idea] and travel is not the great disaster that many peeps seem to think it is ...
... Faction Navy ships do yield a little useful salvage sometimes also 
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Mikal Drey
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.19 15:10:00 -
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hey hey
yes you will be KOS when in gallente space but what do you actually loose ?
apart from missions you shouldnt loose anything.
mining - exploration/grav sites - nope
exploration - plexes/wh/anomolies - nope
trade - nope
pvp - nope
FW - nope
jita - nope
missions - barely
COSMOS - only racial specific and amarr > gallente
and there is away to still do the epic arc in hostile faction space so even that isnt specifically restricted.
ive lost 2x ships to Faction Coppers 1 to stupidity (afk with wrong mid point selected) and the second because you can STILL set a destination that is in your avoid list.
as to poor aligned ships then that isnt a problem either as they dont scram and with a solid enough tank you can align and warp bounce back to a gate. you can do a few systems in a freighter.
i did almost loose a packed mastodon due to not having the align time and tank to get out a station but i figured a way :)
you can happily live in one region and remember you are only restricted to their highsec empire space low sec and 0.0 is wide open.
Shattered Crystal - 60 day GTC
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.19 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon
Originally by: Deshcag
thats wrong
im -6.5 to gallente and docked this morning in Dodixie Fed-station.
every time you enter gall space you will get a warning that you only have few seconds to flee before gall navy will shoot you.
as long as you are in a fast ship (shuttle, frig) you wont have any problems moving through gall space.
i wouldnt try that with slow aligning ships
As they web but don't scram, big ship travel is faster then ever, as GN give you a nice strong webbing every time, after maybe 5-8 seconds, causing instant warp.
Apparently they do scram after a certain period of time, just not instantly.
That's what I've heard - no personal experience to speak of.
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Jotobar
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Posted - 2009.05.19 16:19:00 -
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I would take care of the issue straight away simply because it might half the work to fix it now instead of waiting. The main question here is what you're minimatar standing is? I had less than -5 with gallente but more than -2 with minimatar, blitzing missions from minimatar took me to lvl4's in 2days, now I'll just do some lvl4's for them instead for a while until it balance out a bit and then do storylines for both and avoid missions against the other faction (if I can be bothered). I don't see much of an downside to this.
If you instead keep going and get your derived standing with minimatar below -2 your only option is sister of eve which has half as strong connection with gallente meaning you'll have to do twice as many missions.
I found a great chain of agents close to each other for Republic Security Services where the storylines will be for the same corp meaning your corp standing will go up FAST meaning you get to do lvl4 storylines for them fast which means fast gallente standing increase.
Hron Erlemar (Croleur) req standing: 1.45
Olubet Hesogeda (Adrallezoen) req standing: 2.8
Abririk Goggert (Adrallezoen) req standing 4.35
Isbongar Eryldar (Bawilan) req standing: 6.3
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Dak Sagitarum
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Posted - 2009.05.19 16:36:00 -
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You should have no problem travelling or ****ing in the hostile faction space.
I undocked one day in gallente space and did not notice my standings had fallen below -5 and got some lovin outside the station from the Navy. Waht the hell I thought and started to engage.
At first the waves are good but then they start getting harder with multiple BS spawns (with NOS) I might add to use a passive tank as the BS do drain your cap damn quick 
I did engage for around 20 minutres and at no point did they try and scram me and spawn no matter where in space you are.
btw.. I'm going for -10 as I am never going to do things in Gallente space so dont care too much
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Dracthera
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.19 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: konflict1
losing some future epic arc is annoying indeed but nothing compared to bringing back gallente faction from -5 to positive.
I don't think this is an issue. Future epic arcs won't have you run missions for all the factions, just the one that gives out the mission. The current epic missions served multiple purposes - 1) to introduce all players to the concept of mission arcs, and 2) to introduce new players to the world of EVE as a follow-on to the tutorial mission. Part 2) doesn't make sense from a storyline point of view on future epic arcs, so that won't apply as far as I understand CCP's numerous posts on that.
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Menoalt
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Posted - 2009.05.19 16:52:00 -
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There is the option to not do the story line missions, correct?
Sure you lose out on implants but they are just isk anyway. No storyline missions = no faction standing hits with the other faction and you can do missions forever only taking the hit from those missions that you kill the other factions ships, which you can avoid if you wish.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.05.19 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Mikal Drey
hey hey
yes you will be KOS when in gallente space but what do you actually loose ?
apart from missions you shouldnt loose anything.
mining - exploration/grav sites - nope
exploration - plexes/wh/anomolies - nope
How exactly do you go about mining while the Navy is shooting at you? Or are you by chance saying "only mine in exploration areas", as well as "Faction Navy do not spawn in grav sites".
How exactly do you go about scanning, when you can't cloak, and the navy will shoot at you?
It does seem you're saying Navies won't come to deadspace? Are you sure about that? Not all expploration content is deadpace, so you're still cut off from a lot of it.
Now, if you think the answer to those questions is lowsec, well, you're not addressing the issue, and lol @ mining in losec. If your answer is, do it in caldari space, well, you're ignoring the issue again.
There is no "barely" about losing missioning ability for their faction.
Cosmos is another definite loss, before I quit Eve I intend to do all of it, and will have to raise Gallente and Minmatar standing to do so.
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.05.19 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Dak Sagitarum
You should have no problem travelling or ****ing in the hostile faction space.
I undocked one day in gallente space and did not notice my standings had fallen below -5 and got some lovin outside the station from the Navy. Waht the hell I thought and started to engage.
At first the waves are good but then they start getting harder with multiple BS spawns (with NOS) I might add to use a passive tank as the BS do drain your cap damn quick
I did engage for around 20 minutres and at no point did they try and scram me and spawn no matter where in space you are.
btw.. I'm going for -10 as I am never going to do things in Gallente space so dont care too much
How was the loot? Did they drop tags?
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Mikal Drey
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.19 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Mikal Drey on 19/05/2009 19:07:44
Originally by: Qui Shon
blah blah blah
you know i lub you Qui.
what i mean to say is that all i mentioned is readily available in your own region. there is no reason to go outside your region of space to mine/explore/mission/etc. you can successfully do all of it within your own smelly borders. it used to be that you couldnt mine kernite in matar space but with grav sites you can freely mine most low end ores in any faction space now.
mining is just one example and none of the other mini professions are dramatically different in regional space as the variences there used to be are pretty non existant any more. amarr has a thriving hub for trade and exploration is . .
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Now, if you think the answer to those questions is lowsec, well, you're not addressing the issue, and lol @ mining in losec. If your answer is, do it in caldari space, well, you're ignoring the issue again.
i ask this constructivly. . What issue ? tbh i dont actually see an issue anymore and i have managed to thrive with any career path i have chosen so far. i even managed when my alliance moved to the crappy ends of the universe and i had the Amarr regions blocking my path to get to their 0.0 space but i managed with little effort tbh.
yes i will agree that low sec mining is fubar and i have never supported low sec minign as there is little point to it but thats nothing to do with standings and is generally a moot point in this discussion. low sec in itself has "issues" as to "do it in caldari space" then WTF ? again its just a region and has little variance to concern yourself with. surviving Caldari/Amarr still has a vast ammount of gameplay and half the universe and more. the small pocket of matari and gallente high sec really isnt an issue.
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There is no "barely" about losing missioning ability for their faction.
Cosmos is another definite loss, before I quit Eve I intend to do all of it, and will have to raise Gallente and Minmatar standing to do so.
kudos to you for wanting to do all COSMOS. personally i loved the RP immersion and completed all the gallente and matar missions. i was very dissapointed with the inbalance of the races and COSMOS onthe whole can be a big let down if put into perspective but i really loved my time spent there and i feel that i havent lost anything by not doing caldari/amarr COSMOS. i have been upto caldari space and done a guristas COSMOS mission and i had an old alt who run some of the plexes when COSMOs first hit TQ
as to missions .. what am i actually missing ?
i get my racial varients : Serpentis Extra / Angel Extra / In the Midst of Deadspace / Worlds Collide do i really need to experience enemies abound ? even with upcomming Arcs i still have that inbuilt desire to do the matari/gallente ones and not give a fig about the small racial varience.
with missions i WILL support one arguement in that where it used to be heavily racially different the changes to have friendly npc pirate missions given out from friendly npc factions really skewed the standings for alot of people and although i always wanted to try my hand at guristas and blood raiders there was never a real need to and it killed my RP standings and has now created the guristas/blood/sanshas gimp. i didn however change my perspective and now see pirate/empire rather than corp/corp and a deeper standing relationship (like it should have stayed)
im glad there is a split in the community as to those who want to try and do everything and from all sides but after 5yrs PVE is way to stagnant for there to be any real value in it. even the LP store has become irrelevent in todays new eden.
WTF :/ first time i character maxed a post sorry for the wall o text ... contd ..
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Mikal Drey
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.19 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Mikal Drey on 19/05/2009 19:15:54
Epic arcs might be altogether something new and standings will and should have an impact somewhere.
i have, and others, have mentioned to CCP that epic arcs should be designed with factional standings in mind as yes yes yes being given a Factional driven mission/*storyline into hostile faction space will no longer make any sense in terms of gameplay mechanics because fo teh naval butt****.
if arcs ever appear they will be (or at least should be) a mix of :
standard mission but epic
factional driven but epic
immersive multi region spanning exploration wtf this truly is epic
immersive regional spanning exploration wtf this truly is epic
ballz deep holy **** im gonna die epic
*super special epic storylines FTW
again sorry for the long post Qui but i kinda wanted to drive home my point of there really is no reason for leaving your region and the difference you "imagine" are not that significant like they used to be. i truly hope you achive your goal of doing all COSMOS and i know your experienced enough to get there.
Shattered Crystal - 60 day GTC
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Dak Sagitarum
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Posted - 2009.05.19 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Arec Bardwin
How was the loot? Did they drop tags?
tbh thats the only reason i did it and they droped fick all 
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.05.20 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mikal Drey
you know i lub you Qui.
Sweet 
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i ask this constructivly. . What issue ?
Well,
Supposed I've been flying a Raven for a while, and made Gallente hate me. I fall in lub with drones, get a little into the RP aspect, and want to do the Domi thing for Gallente. Well, they hate me now, and it's quite the chore to change their minds.
A while later Gallente love me, but I've taken Dominix missioning as far as it will go. I delve into the ship and module database, and discover how awesome Tachs are. Then CCP go and change the Nightmare into just about my dream ship, that just so happens to make use of both my already aquired Caldari and Gallente skillsets, just need Lazors on top. Problem is, to make the most out of it in missions, I need to move to Amarr space. Guess what, they hate me now.
So I've taken the Amarr/Lazors thing almost as far as it will go for missions, and CCP change their game again, making Amarr fotm and thus less desireable for me. Now I'd really love some of that sweet action a few of the Gallente lp stores offer, and I even have almost 10 standing with the agent in question. But guess what, yup, you guessed it, Gallente hate me now. By the time I'd have fixed my standings, that lp store would have lost half it's value.
So I venture into wormholes, but yeah, half the exit wh's end up in regions where I'm shot on sight. Not a huge deal, I can still manually wtz and stay alive, but I can't AP, and if I go afk for one minute anywhere in their space, like if the doorbell rings or the baby I don't have cries, I lose my ship. I also can't refine without heavy taxation, should I want to do that for some reason. Nor can I explore in their highsec, should I want to do that, but I already covered this.
Note that the above is not exactly my path, I emphasized the downsides by changing my story a little. My point is that, at least for me, it is a bit of a hassle every now and again. Sure I can still do most stuff in game but there ARE downsides.
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WTF :/ first time i character maxed a post sorry for the wall o text ... contd ..
Yeah, get's in the way of a lot of good posting .
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Mikal Drey
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.20 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon
Your doing it wrong
dunno what to say really because i see your side and agree with all your points. getting all the content is a challenge and if your going for the maximum potential each time then the standings will AND SHOULD get in the way.
unfortunatly eve from an npc perspective has this huge backstory which drives the content. shame there isnt an evil planet of neutrals that non rp npc content can be driven from as well.
Shattered Crystal - 60 day GTC
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.05.21 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mikal Drey
dunno what to say really because i see your side and agree with all your points. getting all the content is a challenge and if your going for the maximum potential each time then the standings will AND SHOULD get in the way.
unfortunatly eve from an npc perspective has this huge backstory which drives the content. shame there isnt an evil planet of neutrals that non rp npc content can be driven from as well.
Shattered Crystal - 60 day GTC
Hehe, I see you take your heritage seriously, that's one long uninterrupted column there. 
Yeah, I'm not complaining about there being penalties (except the irrecoverable pirate ones), it's fine and they should be there. I'm just saying there are downsides to guys like me from negative standings. I also agree on that it's good players have a diverse outlook on, and way of life in, New Eden. Sometimes I've wanted to have one Character be pure to his race, but, hasn't happened yet.
I've sometimes thought Rogue Drones should be made into a sentient NPC race, with agents and such. Lp store would have the fantastic and beautiful and nber Rogue Drone Dominix as a prize, but the penalty would be that eeeeveryone else would start to hate you . Except one minor faction which could be your way back into the graces of the Empires. A long and arduous way back.
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