Originally by: Faramir

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Originally by: SlightlyMad

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Originally by: sutty

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feeling abit guilty

No seriously I haven't heard anything about you doing log in traps, but Bladerunners are a different story

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Those guys doing that learned from Evolution how to do it. I personally think its quite amusing if anyone used it against you

What goes around comes around.

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KK, show me where we proven guilty of this? I know for a fact bladerunners got warnings. And we didn't.
We beat the map and our enemies. Now go talk to Artegg he knows what I mean. I talked to him about it and saw it my/our way.

We beat the map, but some guys don't get that. Have a nice day in never never land and get completely mad.

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Originally by: Faramir

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Originally by: SlightlyMad

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Originally by: sutty

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feeling abit guilty

No seriously I haven't heard anything about you doing log in traps, but Bladerunners are a different story

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Those guys doing that learned from Evolution how to do it. I personally think its quite amusing if anyone used it against you

What goes around comes around.

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KK, show me where we proven guilty of this? I know for a fact bladerunners got warnings. And we didn't.
We beat the map and our enemies. Now go talk to Artegg he knows what I mean. I talked to him about it and saw it my/our way.

We beat the map, but some guys don't get that. Have a nice day in never never land and get completely mad.

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Originally by: Zeus

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Originally by: Presidio

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Evol and Co have to use the lamest tactics to even have a chance at defeating PA.
What does PA do when we see lame tacticts? We use them back. Which is exactly why I ganked Jakal using Evol tactics.

We have no problem keeping it in the game it's Evol that likes to talk about it in public.

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Still awol from Venal?

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Originally by: Zeus

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Originally by: Presidio

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Evol and Co have to use the lamest tactics to even have a chance at defeating PA.
What does PA do when we see lame tacticts? We use them back. Which is exactly why I ganked Jakal using Evol tactics.

We have no problem keeping it in the game it's Evol that likes to talk about it in public.

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Still awol from Venal?

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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I can honestly say, and expect everyone but Presidio to believe me while I do so, that in my presence Evolution has not used any tactics like described or implied above. Nor do I believe for one moment that Evolution is the corporation that has introduced this tactic in the past or has felt any need to use it on PA.

I'm not defending myself nor Evolution against Presidio here, he is clearly not worthy of such efforts.

What I would find distrubing is when anyone would believe someone with a history of posting crap like Presidio's. So just to be clear about this I make this post.

Evolution does not need ANY lame tactics to defeat PA, and that's all there is to this.

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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I can honestly say, and expect everyone but Presidio to believe me while I do so, that in my presence Evolution has not used any tactics like described or implied above. Nor do I believe for one moment that Evolution is the corporation that has introduced this tactic in the past or has felt any need to use it on PA.

I'm not defending myself nor Evolution against Presidio here, he is clearly not worthy of such efforts.

What I would find distrubing is when anyone would believe someone with a history of posting crap like Presidio's. So just to be clear about this I make this post.

Evolution does not need ANY lame tactics to defeat PA, and that's all there is to this.

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Originally by: Icomeinpeace

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Oh and pres, keep trying to find a reason for what you did to Jakal if it makes you feel beter, we all know your the lamer.

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Originally by: Icomeinpeace

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Oh and pres, keep trying to find a reason for what you did to Jakal if it makes you feel beter, we all know your the lamer.

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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Originally by: Presidio

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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I can honestly say, and expect everyone but Presidio to believe me while I do so, that in my presence Evolution has not used any tactics like described or implied above. Nor do I believe for one moment that Evolution is the corporation that has introduced this tactic in the past or has felt any need to use it on PA.

I'm not defending myself nor Evolution against Presidio here, he is clearly not worthy of such efforts.

What I would find distrubing is when anyone would believe someone with a history of posting crap like Presidio's. So just to be clear about this I make this post.

Evolution does not need ANY lame tactics to defeat PA, and that's all there is to this.

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How long have you been a member of Evolution? ... that's right.. STFU then.

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First time I met (and shot at) Evol was before castor.

I've never put much faith in the stories of those that lose.
Just get over it, I know I did.

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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Originally by: Presidio

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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I can honestly say, and expect everyone but Presidio to believe me while I do so, that in my presence Evolution has not used any tactics like described or implied above. Nor do I believe for one moment that Evolution is the corporation that has introduced this tactic in the past or has felt any need to use it on PA.

I'm not defending myself nor Evolution against Presidio here, he is clearly not worthy of such efforts.

What I would find distrubing is when anyone would believe someone with a history of posting crap like Presidio's. So just to be clear about this I make this post.

Evolution does not need ANY lame tactics to defeat PA, and that's all there is to this.

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How long have you been a member of Evolution? ... that's right.. STFU then.

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First time I met (and shot at) Evol was before castor.

I've never put much faith in the stories of those that lose.
Just get over it, I know I did.

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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I think anyone that has spoken to me ingame or think he has an idea of how I thik from my posts here knows enough. So let's keep it at that like I intended in the first place.

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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I think anyone that has spoken to me ingame or think he has an idea of how I thik from my posts here knows enough. So let's keep it at that like I intended in the first place.

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Originally by: Icomeinpeace

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I'm just glad we have Presidio KOS forever.Makes me all warm and fuzy inside.

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Originally by: Icomeinpeace

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I'm just glad we have Presidio KOS forever.Makes me all warm and fuzy inside.

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Originally by: DigitalCommunist

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Originally by: Presidio

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Evol and Co have to use the lamest tactics to even have a chance at defeating PA.
What does PA do when we see lame tacticts? We use them back. Which is exactly why I ganked Jakal using Evol tactics.

We have no problem keeping it in the game it's Evol that likes to talk about it in public.

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Translation: We got owned fair and square, but are going to whine and blame it on evol's superior use of sploits and hax anyways. What does PA do when we see awesome tactics? We make craptastic attempts at copying them but end up looking like lamers. Which is exactly why I ganked Jackal using PA tactics.

We have lots of problems keeping it in the game, and thus resort to being tards to get some kills, damn Evol for calling us on it in front of the public.

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Originally by: DigitalCommunist

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Originally by: Presidio

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Evol and Co have to use the lamest tactics to even have a chance at defeating PA.
What does PA do when we see lame tacticts? We use them back. Which is exactly why I ganked Jakal using Evol tactics.

We have no problem keeping it in the game it's Evol that likes to talk about it in public.

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Translation: We got owned fair and square, but are going to whine and blame it on evol's superior use of sploits and hax anyways. What does PA do when we see awesome tactics? We make craptastic attempts at copying them but end up looking like lamers. Which is exactly why I ganked Jackal using PA tactics.

We have lots of problems keeping it in the game, and thus resort to being tards to get some kills, damn Evol for calling us on it in front of the public.

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Originally by: Maiwenn LeBesc0

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Why do you people always find it so difficult to comprehend?

Unlike groups such as PA or CA, we are one team. We always hang out together, we sit on the same battlefield, we always are only fighting on one front.

We see hostiles in somewhere like BKG, we all go there together to try and kill them. The hostiles are invariably never as well organised, and sit in their safespots waiting for backup.. sometimes for hours and hours. Whilst they are waiting to get their numbers up to at least 2:1, our guys get bored and go off to do other things. They sit on IRC and Teamspeak and go look at some **** or play a game of risk or come post here on the forums or WHATEVER.

Suddenly, hours after the original call, our opponents decide to make a move. Someone who is still in the game will make a call for everyone to come back from whatever they are doing because there is a fight going on.

We all log in to fight.

As if we need a bloody trap to fight you dolts. It isn't a flipping trap, its a call to arms. It's not our fault that we spend most of our days hanging around waiting for you to get organised. The m0o guys know exactly what I'm talking about, caus I've seen them say the same thing.

Now, you can be children about it and claim we are cheating or whatever to make yourselves feel better about it when you get owned, but I think most of you know what the real truth is. These kids from big alliances petition us every week for something ridiculous. We have been investigated more times than you have turned on your computer because of these clueless alliance sewing circles, and we have never been given any warnings.

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Originally by: Maiwenn LeBesc0

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Why do you people always find it so difficult to comprehend?

Unlike groups such as PA or CA, we are one team. We always hang out together, we sit on the same battlefield, we always are only fighting on one front.

We see hostiles in somewhere like BKG, we all go there together to try and kill them. The hostiles are invariably never as well organised, and sit in their safespots waiting for backup.. sometimes for hours and hours. Whilst they are waiting to get their numbers up to at least 2:1, our guys get bored and go off to do other things. They sit on IRC and Teamspeak and go look at some **** or play a game of risk or come post here on the forums or WHATEVER.

Suddenly, hours after the original call, our opponents decide to make a move. Someone who is still in the game will make a call for everyone to come back from whatever they are doing because there is a fight going on.

We all log in to fight.

As if we need a bloody trap to fight you dolts. It isn't a flipping trap, its a call to arms. It's not our fault that we spend most of our days hanging around waiting for you to get organised. The m0o guys know exactly what I'm talking about, caus I've seen them say the same thing.

Now, you can be children about it and claim we are cheating or whatever to make yourselves feel better about it when you get owned, but I think most of you know what the real truth is. These kids from big alliances petition us every week for something ridiculous. We have been investigated more times than you have turned on your computer because of these clueless alliance sewing circles, and we have never been given any warnings.

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Originally by: Negotiator

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i can answer one of those i think. RONA is a part of an alliance. alliance that claims territory. when they run away from invaders, they loose the claim to that territory, and so their alliance loyalty is questioned. when m0o were in CA, we defended it when SA/Evol came. (while other corps didnt, but they were quick to yell "traitors")

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Originally by: Negotiator

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i can answer one of those i think. RONA is a part of an alliance. alliance that claims territory. when they run away from invaders, they loose the claim to that territory, and so their alliance loyalty is questioned. when m0o were in CA, we defended it when SA/Evol came. (while other corps didnt, but they were quick to yell "traitors")

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Originally by: Negotiator

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My concern dear Presidio is none of yours. (omfg im Jade). However, it is my right to call things what they are. Rona ran from invading forces, thus running kia. And regarding that song your leaders used to sing "we had enough people to deal with you in BKG" worked before you withdrew all your forces from the area and ran to empire.

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Originally by: Negotiator

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My concern dear Presidio is none of yours. (omfg im Jade). However, it is my right to call things what they are. Rona ran from invading forces, thus running kia. And regarding that song your leaders used to sing "we had enough people to deal with you in BKG" worked before you withdrew all your forces from the area and ran to empire.

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Originally by: Shamrock

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Edited by: Shamrock on 09/09/2004 14:25:48

Originally by: Presidio

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Edited by: Presidio on 07/09/2004 19:34:45

Originally by: Faramir

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Originally by: SlightlyMad

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Originally by: sutty

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feeling abit guilty

No seriously I haven't heard anything about you doing log in traps, but Bladerunners are a different story

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Those guys doing that learned from Evolution how to do it. I personally think its quite amusing if anyone used it against you

What goes around comes around.

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KK, show me where we proven guilty of this? I know for a fact bladerunners got warnings. And we didn't.
We beat the map and our enemies. Now go talk to Artegg he knows what I mean. I talked to him about it and saw it my/our way.

We beat the map, but some guys don't get that. Have a nice day in never never land and get completely mad.

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Evol never used log on traps! Is this a joke? This is the only way Evol fights. We can prove it over an over again. You really want me to fraps all your logins prior to a fight?
That's cool though we don't whine about it. You use spies we don't whine about that eighter. Whatever you have to do to get the advantage in a fight it's cool, because you obvously suck at fighting.

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I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU MAN!!

Last night TheFatman and I were in 6OY. Tumadra with several other GODS and an odd Level 2 corp member tried a Log On Trap last on us. Using a kestrel as bait at the station with atleast 2 logged off in another system and 3-4 in 6OY. Fatman goes to the station to draw ya'll out, btw, it is fatman, me and the bait at the station. There is no one in system besides us. Map shows the couple players logged off at the system next door. Anyway, Fatman at the station and he turns and is warping out and I my address explode with 3 log ins of PA. Then local is 7 hostiles to our 2. That my friend is a log in trap. And you come here spewing crap about us. You have lost your mind.

Edit:
Presidio, You were one of them.

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Originally by: Thrak

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Edited by: Thrak on 08/09/2004 02:43:05

The only coordination is pointed out above i.e. people got bored of waiting and are basically doing other stuff. It is worth noting that virtually the only time fleet engagements in BKG or surrounding areas happen is when our side either attacks a numerically superior force or sits at station waiting for those same said forces to engage us - and in both cases I suppose you would see those guys join ~5 minutes before anything happens (either the move to station or preparing to engage).

This is in no way a trap, or even devious use of logging on or off - we probably have had one or more pilots join midway through a fight as well but that would just be late arrivals as usual.

This whole bit is probably irrelevant tho, these baseless accusations (and, rofl 'assumptions' it would seem in some cases) of log on traps seem to relate to us being fast movers.

We're clean. Squeaky clean. And unlike some others, we might even have the mails to prove it.

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Originally by: Shamrock

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Edited by: Shamrock on 09/09/2004 14:25:48

Originally by: Presidio

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Edited by: Presidio on 07/09/2004 19:34:45

Originally by: Faramir

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Originally by: SlightlyMad

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Originally by: sutty

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feeling abit guilty

No seriously I haven't heard anything about you doing log in traps, but Bladerunners are a different story

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Those guys doing that learned from Evolution how to do it. I personally think its quite amusing if anyone used it against you

What goes around comes around.

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KK, show me where we proven guilty of this? I know for a fact bladerunners got warnings. And we didn't.
We beat the map and our enemies. Now go talk to Artegg he knows what I mean. I talked to him about it and saw it my/our way.

We beat the map, but some guys don't get that. Have a nice day in never never land and get completely mad.

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Evol never used log on traps! Is this a joke? This is the only way Evol fights. We can prove it over an over again. You really want me to fraps all your logins prior to a fight?
That's cool though we don't whine about it. You use spies we don't whine about that eighter. Whatever you have to do to get the advantage in a fight it's cool, because you obvously suck at fighting.

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I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU MAN!!

Last night TheFatman and I were in 6OY. Tumadra with several other GODS and an odd Level 2 corp member tried a Log On Trap last on us. Using a kestrel as bait at the station with atleast 2 logged off in another system and 3-4 in 6OY. Fatman goes to the station to draw ya'll out, btw, it is fatman, me and the bait at the station. There is no one in system besides us. Map shows the couple players logged off at the system next door. Anyway, Fatman at the station and he turns and is warping out and I my address explode with 3 log ins of PA. Then local is 7 hostiles to our 2. That my friend is a log in trap. And you come here spewing crap about us. You have lost your mind.

Edit:
Presidio, You were one of them.

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Originally by: Thrak

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Edited by: Thrak on 08/09/2004 02:43:05

The only coordination is pointed out above i.e. people got bored of waiting and are basically doing other stuff. It is worth noting that virtually the only time fleet engagements in BKG or surrounding areas happen is when our side either attacks a numerically superior force or sits at station waiting for those same said forces to engage us - and in both cases I suppose you would see those guys join ~5 minutes before anything happens (either the move to station or preparing to engage).

This is in no way a trap, or even devious use of logging on or off - we probably have had one or more pilots join midway through a fight as well but that would just be late arrivals as usual.

This whole bit is probably irrelevant tho, these baseless accusations (and, rofl 'assumptions' it would seem in some cases) of log on traps seem to relate to us being fast movers.

We're clean. Squeaky clean. And unlike some others, we might even have the mails to prove it.

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