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Aneu Angellus Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.05.20 09:57:00 - [1] So Blizzard has announced a brand new MMO coming soon. This will not be linked to anything they have done previously and as announced multiple times is a 'new venture' which gives away quite allot. Blizzard is known for its elfs/dwarfs/zerg/magic fantasy type games. One could say that Starcraft is a Sci-Fi game, but in my oppinion its fantasy sci-fi (you do have spells on Protoss). So, a brand new venture, a new direction. Blizzard is known for not caring about stamping on the little-guys feet. Many people know Blizzard took a few ideas from the Warhammer franchise (long before the game). So, what is the possibility that Blizzard has seen the niche market that eve currently reigns supreme in and is gunning for it? This may be a great opportunity for them... as we all know, blizzard make great games and i doubt there is anyone on these forums who will not play Diablo III... Any thoughts? Aneu ________________ Dark Angel Battalion Aneu Angellus
knifee Caldari Euphoria Released	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:01:00 - [2] Considering CCP is developing WOD it seems only fair that Blizzard make a sci-fi game..
Lidirt AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:01:00 - [3] Blizzard makes some addictive games, but nothing with the breadth & depth of EVE. One thing that keeps EVEs user base down... But it also keeps away the MOAR DOTS types that like to do precisely the same thing 3 nights a week for years.
Reven Cordelle Caldari Yamainu-Mirai Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:10:00 - [4] Possibly. I was having a whine earlier that there weren't any full featured Post-Modern MMOs around. Maybe Blizzard are going to have a crack at it. No doubt it'll be lackluster with ridiculous graphics and endless grind, but... who knows.
Angry Poster	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:15:00 - [5] Edited by: Angry Poster on 20/05/2009 10:17:13 Originally by: Aneu Angellus and i doubt there is anyone on these forums who will not play Diablo III... Depends if that comes with or without Blizzards spyware tool Warden. Also I'm not exactly very excited even if Blizzard decide to release a sci-fi game... At best it will be some kind of hyper-regulated Mc Donalds edition of eve that I most likely won't want any part of.
SkyLordUK Amarr Baptism oF Fire Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:20:00 - [6] i tryed playing WoW during EvE as some of my mates play it, i played around 1 hour and got extremely bored . Since then i've stayed away from fantasy type games which crosses blizzard off my list so i havent played diablo 1,2 or 3 and CCP going into fantasy is the same as Blizzard going into Sci-fi they both got a huge montain to climb to compete specially since ST:O is coming out end of this year which is one im keeping my eye on p.s. i think the warhammer TTG was out before blizzard existed lol (dont quote me though) Sky. ---------------------------------------------- Jumping Gates is like a box of sweets You just dont know were the sour one is
Aneu Angellus Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:26:00 - [7] Originally by: SkyLordUK i tryed playing WoW during EvE as some of my mates play it, i played around 1 hour and got extremely bored . Since then i've stayed away from fantasy type games which crosses blizzard off my list so i havent played diablo 1,2 or 3 and CCP going into fantasy is the same as Blizzard going into Sci-fi they both got a huge montain to climb to compete specially since ST:O is coming out end of this year which is one im keeping my eye on p.s. i think the warhammer TTG was out before blizzard existed lol (dont quote me though) You should most deffinatley play Diablo 1 & 2 and i can guarantee you will then play Diablo 3 when it comes out. Blizzard already have experience in the semi-sci-fi with regards to starcraft. Additionally blizzard is the behemoth of the gaming industry, the largest games company in exsistance currently. If Blizzard don't have the tallent for it in-house they will just get someone in to do it. It would be highly likely people in the sci-fi mmo genre would get head hunted since no other company can compare to the stability and resource. ________________ Dark Angel Battalion Aneu Angellus
Lord Windu Amarr	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:29:00 - [8] Wait, this was originally in OOPE and t has been moved to GD forums, I am confused CCP doing drugs? Anyway, I think Blizzard will do well with Starcaft, but it wont be a anything close to Eve for depth and never-ending game. ~ ☺ A Kirra Liu Presentation. Will give cyber for GTC ☺
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:29:00 - [9] Originally by: Reven Cordelle Possibly. I was having a whine earlier that there weren't any full featured Post-Modern MMOs around. There are a few in development, such as Earthrise and Fallen Earth. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Gebher'el Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Lidirt Blizzard makes some addictive games, but nothing with the breadth & depth of EVE.. Originally by: Aneu Angellus as we all know, blizzard make great games and i doubt there is anyone on these forums who will not play Diablo III... I would say your adjective is wrong, Blizzard makes SIMPLE games. Blizzard games lack depth and cater to the lowest common denomiator of gaming. As for the doubts of playing Diablo III, well hate to burst your bubble. The Diablo and Dungeonsiege series all focus on the SIMPLIEST form of the RPG. IN fact I would go so far as to say they lose all aspect of role play in their concept. They are monty haul games that offer quick easy rewards and are designed to be rushed through rather than savored. Blizzard is a average game company at best that has made their mark by providing games that require little thought and effort to play. Rejoice not against me, O mine enemy: when I fall, I shall arise; when I sit in darkness, God will be a light unto me.
Dan Glebitts	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:33:00 - [11] Edited by: Dan Glebitts on 20/05/2009 10:39:41 Blizzard do one thing and one thing only. They take original concepts and add copious amounts of spit shine. Their games are good, a testament to their talent but they couldn't collectively squeeze a nugget of originality from their studios annals if their lives depended on it. At this very moment they are spending ludicrous amounts of money developing more abundant, shinier, moister spit with which to coat an established franchise. Do not think for a second that Blizzard will bestow upon the world anything other than a tried and tested format. Do not look too Blizzard for ingenuity they have built their fortune and reputation off the backs of those that have taken risks in game design. This is why their super top secret project(s) don't ignite even the smallest flicker of interest in my jaded and hungry gamer mind. What they will offer me is nothing I haven't already seen a hundred times before. Like Burger King they'll suck you in with a new super Deluxe Angus Burger... But essentially underneath all those pumped up images your still wrapping your beleaguered fists around a limp patty formed from the shavings of a wet dogs ass.
Pesky LaRue Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:36:00 - [12] Originally by: Gebher'el Blizzard is a average game company at best that has made their mark by providing games that require little thought and effort to play. you can be as snooty as you like when it comes to WoW (and i would probably agree with you), but - for their time - the warcraft, diablo and starcraft games were amazing, and certainly required effort and thought to play. \|+ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ +\|
SkyLordUK Amarr Baptism oF Fire Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:39:00 - [13] Originally by: Aneu Angellus Originally by: SkyLordUK i tryed playing WoW during EvE as some of my mates play it, i played around 1 hour and got extremely bored . Since then i've stayed away from fantasy type games which crosses blizzard off my list so i havent played diablo 1,2 or 3 and CCP going into fantasy is the same as Blizzard going into Sci-fi they both got a huge montain to climb to compete specially since ST:O is coming out end of this year which is one im keeping my eye on p.s. i think the warhammer TTG was out before blizzard existed lol (dont quote me though) You should most deffinatley play Diablo 1 & 2 and i can guarantee you will then play Diablo 3 when it comes out. Blizzard already have experience in the semi-sci-fi with regards to starcraft. Additionally blizzard is the behemoth of the gaming industry, the largest games company in exsistance currently. If Blizzard don't have the tallent for it in-house they will just get someone in to do it. It would be highly likely people in the sci-fi mmo genre would get head hunted since no other company can compare to the stability and resource. i saw someone play starcraft and i thought whats the challenge in out spamming units to win (i got bored of C&C because of this). anything to do with spells and magic is a no go but i made one execption....WAR just cause i play the TTG but im looking forward to the 40K version of WAR as i prefer sci-fi to magic anyway SPACE MARINE FTW!!! back on topic. thats the thing if blizzard get someone else then blizzard didnt make it Sky. ---------------------------------------------- Jumping Gates is like a box of sweets You just dont know were the sour one is
Ak'athra J'ador Amarr Can't Decide Balance of Judgment	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:45:00 - [14] they claim its a new franchise, something not yet on the market. i thought pretty much everything is already on the market? well except vampire games targeted at the female population (yes, thats what CCP stated about WoD :) )
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:47:00 - [15] Why was this moved to GD? It clearly belongs in OOPE. ____________________
Aneu Angellus Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:57:00 - [16] Originally by: SkyLordUK Originally by: Aneu Angellus Originally by: SkyLordUK i tryed playing WoW during EvE as some of my mates play it, i played around 1 hour and got extremely bored . Since then i've stayed away from fantasy type games which crosses blizzard off my list so i havent played diablo 1,2 or 3 and CCP going into fantasy is the same as Blizzard going into Sci-fi they both got a huge montain to climb to compete specially since ST:O is coming out end of this year which is one im keeping my eye on p.s. i think the warhammer TTG was out before blizzard existed lol (dont quote me though) You should most deffinatley play Diablo 1 & 2 and i can guarantee you will then play Diablo 3 when it comes out. Blizzard already have experience in the semi-sci-fi with regards to starcraft. Additionally blizzard is the behemoth of the gaming industry, the largest games company in exsistance currently. If Blizzard don't have the tallent for it in-house they will just get someone in to do it. It would be highly likely people in the sci-fi mmo genre would get head hunted since no other company can compare to the stability and resource. i saw someone play starcraft and i thought whats the challenge in out spamming units to win (i got bored of C&C because of this). anything to do with spells and magic is a no go but i made one execption....WAR just cause i play the TTG but im looking forward to the 40K version of WAR as i prefer sci-fi to magic anyway SPACE MARINE FTW!!! back on topic. thats the thing if blizzard get someone else then blizzard didnt make it If Blizzard hired TomB and TomB became lead designer, then Blizzard made it I agree starcraft can become a little annoying but thats due to the age of the game mostly imo. Diablo is just pure fun. For those saying blizzard make the dumbest possible games then i say that you need to take your blinkers off. Blizzard are the only games company people are willing to wait for games to be completed from because people trust them. They know Blizzard take pride in the games they ship and any major issue will be a rather large embarrassment to them (unlike CCP who like to ship things with boot.ini). If you like gaming, you will like Diablo even though the Graphics are out-dated now, the game is still flawless. ________________ Dark Angel Battalion Aneu Angellus
Le Sabre Gallente The Dead Canary Mining Corporation Legion of Honor	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:00:00 - [17] Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador they claim its a new franchise, something not yet on the market. i thought pretty much everything is already on the market? In 1906, a London based patent clerk resigned from his position, the reason? He completely believed that there was nothing left to invent.
SkyLordUK Amarr Baptism oF Fire Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:03:00 - [18] Originally by: Aneu Angellus Originally by: SkyLordUK Originally by: Aneu Angellus Originally by: SkyLordUK i tryed playing WoW during EvE as some of my mates play it, i played around 1 hour and got extremely bored . Since then i've stayed away from fantasy type games which crosses blizzard off my list so i havent played diablo 1,2 or 3 and CCP going into fantasy is the same as Blizzard going into Sci-fi they both got a huge montain to climb to compete specially since ST:O is coming out end of this year which is one im keeping my eye on p.s. i think the warhammer TTG was out before blizzard existed lol (dont quote me though) You should most deffinatley play Diablo 1 & 2 and i can guarantee you will then play Diablo 3 when it comes out. Blizzard already have experience in the semi-sci-fi with regards to starcraft. Additionally blizzard is the behemoth of the gaming industry, the largest games company in exsistance currently. If Blizzard don't have the tallent for it in-house they will just get someone in to do it. It would be highly likely people in the sci-fi mmo genre would get head hunted since no other company can compare to the stability and resource. i saw someone play starcraft and i thought whats the challenge in out spamming units to win (i got bored of C&C because of this). anything to do with spells and magic is a no go but i made one execption....WAR just cause i play the TTG but im looking forward to the 40K version of WAR as i prefer sci-fi to magic anyway SPACE MARINE FTW!!! back on topic. thats the thing if blizzard get someone else then blizzard didnt make it If Blizzard hired TomB and TomB became lead designer, then Blizzard made it I agree starcraft can become a little annoying but thats due to the age of the game mostly imo. Diablo is just pure fun. For those saying blizzard make the dumbest possible games then i say that you need to take your blinkers off. Blizzard are the only games company people are willing to wait for games to be completed from because people trust them. They know Blizzard take pride in the games they ship and any major issue will be a rather large embarrassment to them (unlike CCP who like to ship things with boot.ini). If you like gaming, you will like Diablo even though the Graphics are out-dated now, the game is still flawless. just cause im a gamer doesnt mean i like diablo i hate nearly all fantasy games the only thing that comes close to fantasy games is medeival total war 2 im just a sci fi guy and no amount of persuation can change that Sky. ---------------------------------------------- Jumping Gates is like a box of sweets You just dont know were the sour one is
Havohej Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:04:00 - [19] Blizz might make a sci-fi spaceship game that rivals the visual beauty of EVE, sure, but they will never, ever produce a product with all of the sandboxy-ness and freedom of EVE, they'll never make a game where you stand to really lose something... it will look like an EVE competitor in graphics, but it won't BE an EVE competitor in spirit. IF that's even what this mystery project is about to begin with. "You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer
Dan Glebitts	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:10:00 - [20] Patch broke the MODS?
Bonny Lee Caldari The Guardian Agency Guardian Federation	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:13:00 - [21] I dont think it would be a good idea to look at eve and copy. If they would try this they had to develop 4-5 years at least to be able to compete with the eve of today. And they have to solve problems with fights of 1000 and more people where CCP has the biggest experience of all the developers. And until the game is ready the question is... what happened in EvE in this time. Perhaps some other companys do understand soon that it is better to invest in a game that can be developed further and further then creating games that in future cant compete with the older games. If i would have to creat a game i would at least have a plan for the next 5 years with visions for the game where it should go just like ccp does. You need a concept that is not getting old. Look at WoW: What can they do with this: LvL100 LvL120? LvL200? Thats no option in my point of view and because of that they have to design a new MMO without such "mistakes". Perhaps they will manage it but it would take years to catch up with eve. => they will not copy eve.
Aneu Angellus Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:25:00 - [22] There is a loophole people are missing here. Eve is a game, and people pay to play it - this everyone knows (or i hope... unless your a goon, then you pay to play on sa forums too lawl). The loophole here is, blizzard make fun games. Eve is fun to an extent and then it becomes a lesser second job. Iv had to leave for a month or two at a time simply because of burnout. It does that to you if you have been a ceo or director, if you manage pos's, if you are involved in a large 0,0 war... Eve v a Similar less time-sinked game = allot of people leaving, but those hard-core people of us would still stay and stick it out... i know i probably would but still, there are those who wouldnt. ________________ Dark Angel Battalion Aneu Angellus
Shevar Minmatar Target Practice incorporated	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:31:00 - [23] Originally by: Aneu Angellus There is a loophole people are missing here. Eve is a game, and people pay to play it - this everyone knows (or i hope... unless your a goon, then you pay to play on sa forums too lawl). The loophole here is, blizzard make fun games. Eve is fun to an extent and then it becomes a lesser second job. Iv had to leave for a month or two at a time simply because of burnout. It does that to you if you have been a ceo or director, if you manage pos's, if you are involved in a large 0,0 war... Eve v a Similar less time-sinked game = allot of people leaving, but those hard-core people of us would still stay and stick it out... i know i probably would but still, there are those who wouldnt. You can also burn out quite easily being an officer/GM in a raiding guild. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Akura kawanaka	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:34:00 - [24] Edited by: Akura kawanaka on 20/05/2009 11:35:06 I used to play WoW and I can say that despite what people say about eve being dull, it is LESS tedious than WoW. if Blizzard made a space MMO - the missions would run as follows: Amarr navy agent> I'm in dire need of melted capacitor circuits! please go out and bring me 50 of them - they drop from rats at the asteroid belts. as a reward I'll give you a tech one passive shield hardener player goes out and kills stuff and after many hours brings back the required 50 melted caps agent> thank you for that! I'm actually now in need of 40 metal scraps! if you get me this I'll give you another passive shield hardner of a different type. player looses the will to live and goes back to eve edit: mind you - every ship will be cartoonish and will be able to fly in formation and /dance will work
Aneu Angellus Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:36:00 - [25] Edited by: Aneu Angellus on 20/05/2009 11:38:23 Originally by: Shevar Originally by: Aneu Angellus There is a loophole people are missing here. Eve is a game, and people pay to play it - this everyone knows (or i hope... unless your a goon, then you pay to play on sa forums too lawl). The loophole here is, blizzard make fun games. Eve is fun to an extent and then it becomes a lesser second job. Iv had to leave for a month or two at a time simply because of burnout. It does that to you if you have been a ceo or director, if you manage pos's, if you are involved in a large 0,0 war... Eve v a Similar less time-sinked game = allot of people leaving, but those hard-core people of us would still stay and stick it out... i know i probably would but still, there are those who wouldnt. You can also burn out quite easily being an officer/GM in a raiding guild. Not similar in the slightest. To burn out in a game like WoW you would need to have some mental instability... most people just get bored. With eve, you try to fuel pos's constantly for a few months or set your alarm to make sure that pos is rep'd when coming out of RF, and if you dont your last 3 months of fueling your pos's has been for naught... Wow, you die, you dont lose anything apart from a small amount of durability, you either get res'd or you just turn into a ghost and re-enter the instance... job done Major scale difference. ________________ Dark Angel Battalion Aneu Angellus
Aneu Angellus Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:37:00 - [26] Originally by: Akura kawanaka Edited by: Akura kawanaka on 20/05/2009 11:35:06 I used to play WoW and I can say that despite what people say about eve being dull, it is LESS tedious than WoW. if Blizzard made a space MMO - the missions would run as follows: Amarr navy agent> I'm in dire need of melted capacitor circuits! please go out and bring me 50 of them - they drop from rats at the asteroid belts. as a reward I'll give you a tech one passive shield hardener player goes out and kills stuff and after many hours brings back the required 50 melted caps agent> thank you for that! I'm actually now in need of 40 metal scraps! if you get me this I'll give you another passive shield hardner of a different type. player looses the will to live and goes back to eve edit: mind you - every ship will be cartoonish and will be able to fly in formation and /dance will work I actually want /dance where my ship bobs up and down... ________________ Dark Angel Battalion Aneu Angellus
MukkBarovian	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:40:00 - [27] I like Blizzard. They make good games. If you want to disagree I can point to the wild success of WoW but by definition EvE is an enemy of WoW. If you discoint the many differences that are why we prefer to play EvE. EvE is like an open Unreal Tournament arena with no boundaries, and a huge death penalty. And your homicidal maniac is a homicidal ship&crew. There is no confusing the two. Anyway Diablo was good. But you had to approach it for the joy of hacking, slashing, and anihilating hordes of monsters. There is no roleplay involved. I have never gotten competetive at starcraft. But RTS is a nice genre for pvp gaming. And starcraft was a decent one. I stoped doing competetive RTS when I slowly stopped playing Age of Empires 3 and became an EvE zombie. Empire Earth 1 and 2 were horribly disapointing. I'm looking forward to starcraft 2. But anyway. A new Blizzard MMORPG. What did they say when they made WoW? My immediate guess is they said. Everquest is old. Lets make a clone. I played Everquest, and I played WoW. Everquest had a harder death penalty. It was less intuitive. Other than that it was pretty much the same. What are they going to do? I don't know. Whatever it is I expect it is going to be well executed. It will be good, but it will also be something that a great majority of people could appreciate. I'm trying to say that like WoW, it will be designed for the largest possible audience. And so I don't think anyone has to worry that EvE will lose members. If Bizzard makes a space game the gut wrenching combat that so many people don't like wont be included. The feeling of being in a warzone out in 0.0 won't be developed, and EvE will keep its niche. The people who will leave are the ones in highsec running level 4 missions who are somehow not bored out of their minds. If you want to look for competition you have to head over to Jumpgate Evolution. They want to be EvE with a joystick. Maybe they'll succeed. IDK. I'm sitting here looking at their website and I only have a limited idea what they're about.
Jagga Spikes Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.05.20 12:00:00 - [28] i'm hoping for a sci-fi, specifically cyberpunk. there is room for it. tho, blizzard cares a bit much about political correctness for that genre. overall, whatever they make, it's probably going to be a success. bar originality, all aspects of their games work. take it at face value, and you will have fun, at least for a while.
DerArt1st DEFCON. Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.05.20 12:02:00 - [29] Edited by: DerArt1st on 20/05/2009 12:03:02 Originally by: Dan Glebitts Blizzard do one thing and one thing only.Do not look too Blizzard for ingenuity they have built their fortune and reputation off the backs of those that have taken risks in game design. Wow, you seem to be a Blizzard-expert. Let me help you out a bit what Blizzard did in the past: -Lost Vikings The Lost Vikings is a side-scrolling platform puzzle game with a twist. Instead of one character who can jump, run, shoot, collect items, flip switches and so on, there are three different characters, each with his own skills.) -Rock-n-Roll-Racing Rock 'n Roll Racing is an arcade combat racing game. Combat plays a heavy role in the game, as each car has a frontal weapon, such as a laser or missile, and a drop weapon, such as spikes or mines. As you complete races, you get more money to upgrade your car. -Warcraft Dune 2 was the first realtime strategygame (developed by Westwood Studios) but it was quite simple. Bigger and more expensive units were always better than smaller so there were no real tactics in that game. Warcraft was different. Every unit had its own role. Close-range units, siege weapons, player controlled air units and so on. Also i should mention that Blizzard introduced "fog of war" with this game and almost "every" other game copied it so its a well known standard in gaming today. -Battle Chess First animated Chess. There are 35 animations (over 4 MB of animation), including movement, prelude to battle, and the combinations of battle itself (the latter often being rather brutal). The rook, for example, turns into a rock monster and kills a pawn by smashing his head. -Castles The game combines several genres of gameplay including resource management, a text-based multiple-choice storyline and a simple combat mode. -Diablo Diablo is one of the most well-known examples of the action-RPG subgenre. Although players level up, choose character classes, and manage a variety of spells and equipment as in a typical RPG, all actions are done in real time, as in an action game. Diablo in many ways resembles roguelike games, the main differences being more realistic graphics and the fact the game is in real time, rather than turn-based. Also Blizzard introduced: -BattleNet with it. Battle.net is an online gaming service provided by Blizzard Entertainment. It was launched in January 1997 with the release of Blizzard's action-RPG Diablo. Battle.net was the first online gaming service incorporated directly into the games that make use of it, in contrast to the external interfaces used by the other online services at the time. This feature, along with ease of account creations and the absence of member fees, caused Battle.net to become popular among gamers and became a major selling point for Diablo and subsequent Blizzard games. -StarCraft With more than 11 million copies sold worldwide as of February 2009, it is one of the best-selling games for the personal computer. StarCraft's multiplayer is particularly popular in South Korea, where professional players and teams participate in matches, earn sponsorships, and compete in televised tournaments. While i agree that Blizzard copied some ideas i have to say that they perfected them. I dont want to sound like a Blizzard-fanboy but your statement isn't quite true. Blizzard is on top of the list for game design and they deserved it imho. Think about what will happen to EvE if Blizzard decides to create a space based MMO one day. -Art
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2009.05.20 12:13:00 - [30] Originally by: DerArt1st -Battle Chess First animated Chess. There are 35 animations (over 4 MB of animation), including movement, prelude to battle, and the combinations of battle itself (the latter often being rather brutal). The rook, for example, turns into a rock monster and kills a pawn by smashing his head. Didn't know Blizzard made that. Awesome game, I used to play it for hours and hours a day FREE! jumpclone service - over 200 locations!

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