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Aneu Angellus Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.05.20 09:57:00 - [1] So Blizzard has announced a brand new MMO coming soon. This will not be linked to anything they have done previously and as announced multiple times is a 'new venture' which gives away quite allot. Blizzard is known for its elfs/dwarfs/zerg/magic fantasy type games. One could say that Starcraft is a Sci-Fi game, but in my oppinion its fantasy sci-fi (you do have spells on Protoss). So, a brand new venture, a new direction. Blizzard is known for not caring about stamping on the little-guys feet. Many people know Blizzard took a few ideas from the Warhammer franchise (long before the game). So, what is the possibility that Blizzard has seen the niche market that eve currently reigns supreme in and is gunning for it? This may be a great opportunity for them... as we all know, blizzard make great games and i doubt there is anyone on these forums who will not play Diablo III... Any thoughts? Aneu ________________ Dark Angel Battalion Aneu Angellus
knifee Caldari Euphoria Released	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:01:00 - [2] Considering CCP is developing WOD it seems only fair that Blizzard make a sci-fi game..
Lidirt AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:01:00 - [3] Blizzard makes some addictive games, but nothing with the breadth & depth of EVE. One thing that keeps EVEs user base down... But it also keeps away the MOAR DOTS types that like to do precisely the same thing 3 nights a week for years.
Reven Cordelle Caldari Yamainu-Mirai Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:10:00 - [4] Possibly. I was having a whine earlier that there weren't any full featured Post-Modern MMOs around. Maybe Blizzard are going to have a crack at it. No doubt it'll be lackluster with ridiculous graphics and endless grind, but... who knows.
Angry Poster	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:15:00 - [5] Edited by: Angry Poster on 20/05/2009 10:17:13 Originally by: Aneu Angellus and i doubt there is anyone on these forums who will not play Diablo III... Depends if that comes with or without Blizzards spyware tool Warden. Also I'm not exactly very excited even if Blizzard decide to release a sci-fi game... At best it will be some kind of hyper-regulated Mc Donalds edition of eve that I most likely won't want any part of.
SkyLordUK Amarr Baptism oF Fire Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:20:00 - [6] i tryed playing WoW during EvE as some of my mates play it, i played around 1 hour and got extremely bored . Since then i've stayed away from fantasy type games which crosses blizzard off my list so i havent played diablo 1,2 or 3 and CCP going into fantasy is the same as Blizzard going into Sci-fi they both got a huge montain to climb to compete specially since ST:O is coming out end of this year which is one im keeping my eye on p.s. i think the warhammer TTG was out before blizzard existed lol (dont quote me though) Sky. ---------------------------------------------- Jumping Gates is like a box of sweets You just dont know were the sour one is
Aneu Angellus Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:26:00 - [7] Originally by: SkyLordUK i tryed playing WoW during EvE as some of my mates play it, i played around 1 hour and got extremely bored . Since then i've stayed away from fantasy type games which crosses blizzard off my list so i havent played diablo 1,2 or 3 and CCP going into fantasy is the same as Blizzard going into Sci-fi they both got a huge montain to climb to compete specially since ST:O is coming out end of this year which is one im keeping my eye on p.s. i think the warhammer TTG was out before blizzard existed lol (dont quote me though) You should most deffinatley play Diablo 1 & 2 and i can guarantee you will then play Diablo 3 when it comes out. Blizzard already have experience in the semi-sci-fi with regards to starcraft. Additionally blizzard is the behemoth of the gaming industry, the largest games company in exsistance currently. If Blizzard don't have the tallent for it in-house they will just get someone in to do it. It would be highly likely people in the sci-fi mmo genre would get head hunted since no other company can compare to the stability and resource. ________________ Dark Angel Battalion Aneu Angellus
Lord Windu Amarr	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:29:00 - [8] Wait, this was originally in OOPE and t has been moved to GD forums, I am confused CCP doing drugs? Anyway, I think Blizzard will do well with Starcaft, but it wont be a anything close to Eve for depth and never-ending game. ~ ☺ A Kirra Liu Presentation. Will give cyber for GTC ☺
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:29:00 - [9] Originally by: Reven Cordelle Possibly. I was having a whine earlier that there weren't any full featured Post-Modern MMOs around. There are a few in development, such as Earthrise and Fallen Earth. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Gebher'el Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Lidirt Blizzard makes some addictive games, but nothing with the breadth & depth of EVE.. Originally by: Aneu Angellus as we all know, blizzard make great games and i doubt there is anyone on these forums who will not play Diablo III... I would say your adjective is wrong, Blizzard makes SIMPLE games. Blizzard games lack depth and cater to the lowest common denomiator of gaming. As for the doubts of playing Diablo III, well hate to burst your bubble. The Diablo and Dungeonsiege series all focus on the SIMPLIEST form of the RPG. IN fact I would go so far as to say they lose all aspect of role play in their concept. They are monty haul games that offer quick easy rewards and are designed to be rushed through rather than savored. Blizzard is a average game company at best that has made their mark by providing games that require little thought and effort to play. Rejoice not against me, O mine enemy: when I fall, I shall arise; when I sit in darkness, God will be a light unto me.
Dan Glebitts	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:33:00 - [11] Edited by: Dan Glebitts on 20/05/2009 10:39:41 Blizzard do one thing and one thing only. They take original concepts and add copious amounts of spit shine. Their games are good, a testament to their talent but they couldn't collectively squeeze a nugget of originality from their studios annals if their lives depended on it. At this very moment they are spending ludicrous amounts of money developing more abundant, shinier, moister spit with which to coat an established franchise. Do not think for a second that Blizzard will bestow upon the world anything other than a tried and tested format. Do not look too Blizzard for ingenuity they have built their fortune and reputation off the backs of those that have taken risks in game design. This is why their super top secret project(s) don't ignite even the smallest flicker of interest in my jaded and hungry gamer mind. What they will offer me is nothing I haven't already seen a hundred times before. Like Burger King they'll suck you in with a new super Deluxe Angus Burger... But essentially underneath all those pumped up images your still wrapping your beleaguered fists around a limp patty formed from the shavings of a wet dogs ass.
Pesky LaRue Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:36:00 - [12] Originally by: Gebher'el Blizzard is a average game company at best that has made their mark by providing games that require little thought and effort to play. you can be as snooty as you like when it comes to WoW (and i would probably agree with you), but - for their time - the warcraft, diablo and starcraft games were amazing, and certainly required effort and thought to play. \|+ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ +\|
SkyLordUK Amarr Baptism oF Fire Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:39:00 - [13] Originally by: Aneu Angellus Originally by: SkyLordUK i tryed playing WoW during EvE as some of my mates play it, i played around 1 hour and got extremely bored . Since then i've stayed away from fantasy type games which crosses blizzard off my list so i havent played diablo 1,2 or 3 and CCP going into fantasy is the same as Blizzard going into Sci-fi they both got a huge montain to climb to compete specially since ST:O is coming out end of this year which is one im keeping my eye on p.s. i think the warhammer TTG was out before blizzard existed lol (dont quote me though) You should most deffinatley play Diablo 1 & 2 and i can guarantee you will then play Diablo 3 when it comes out. Blizzard already have experience in the semi-sci-fi with regards to starcraft. Additionally blizzard is the behemoth of the gaming industry, the largest games company in exsistance currently. If Blizzard don't have the tallent for it in-house they will just get someone in to do it. It would be highly likely people in the sci-fi mmo genre would get head hunted since no other company can compare to the stability and resource. i saw someone play starcraft and i thought whats the challenge in out spamming units to win (i got bored of C&C because of this). anything to do with spells and magic is a no go but i made one execption....WAR just cause i play the TTG but im looking forward to the 40K version of WAR as i prefer sci-fi to magic anyway SPACE MARINE FTW!!! back on topic. thats the thing if blizzard get someone else then blizzard didnt make it Sky. ---------------------------------------------- Jumping Gates is like a box of sweets You just dont know were the sour one is
Ak'athra J'ador Amarr Can't Decide Balance of Judgment	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:45:00 - [14] they claim its a new franchise, something not yet on the market. i thought pretty much everything is already on the market? well except vampire games targeted at the female population (yes, thats what CCP stated about WoD :) )
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:47:00 - [15] Why was this moved to GD? It clearly belongs in OOPE. ____________________
Aneu Angellus Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:57:00 - [16] Originally by: SkyLordUK Originally by: Aneu Angellus Originally by: SkyLordUK i tryed playing WoW during EvE as some of my mates play it, i played around 1 hour and got extremely bored . Since then i've stayed away from fantasy type games which crosses blizzard off my list so i havent played diablo 1,2 or 3 and CCP going into fantasy is the same as Blizzard going into Sci-fi they both got a huge montain to climb to compete specially since ST:O is coming out end of this year which is one im keeping my eye on p.s. i think the warhammer TTG was out before blizzard existed lol (dont quote me though) You should most deffinatley play Diablo 1 & 2 and i can guarantee you will then play Diablo 3 when it comes out. Blizzard already have experience in the semi-sci-fi with regards to starcraft. Additionally blizzard is the behemoth of the gaming industry, the largest games company in exsistance currently. If Blizzard don't have the tallent for it in-house they will just get someone in to do it. It would be highly likely people in the sci-fi mmo genre would get head hunted since no other company can compare to the stability and resource. i saw someone play starcraft and i thought whats the challenge in out spamming units to win (i got bored of C&C because of this). anything to do with spells and magic is a no go but i made one execption....WAR just cause i play the TTG but im looking forward to the 40K version of WAR as i prefer sci-fi to magic anyway SPACE MARINE FTW!!! back on topic. thats the thing if blizzard get someone else then blizzard didnt make it If Blizzard hired TomB and TomB became lead designer, then Blizzard made it I agree starcraft can become a little annoying but thats due to the age of the game mostly imo. Diablo is just pure fun. For those saying blizzard make the dumbest possible games then i say that you need to take your blinkers off. Blizzard are the only games company people are willing to wait for games to be completed from because people trust them. They know Blizzard take pride in the games they ship and any major issue will be a rather large embarrassment to them (unlike CCP who like to ship things with boot.ini). If you like gaming, you will like Diablo even though the Graphics are out-dated now, the game is still flawless. ________________ Dark Angel Battalion Aneu Angellus
Le Sabre Gallente The Dead Canary Mining Corporation Legion of Honor	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:00:00 - [17] Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador they claim its a new franchise, something not yet on the market. i thought pretty much everything is already on the market? In 1906, a London based patent clerk resigned from his position, the reason? He completely believed that there was nothing left to invent.
SkyLordUK Amarr Baptism oF Fire Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:03:00 - [18] Originally by: Aneu Angellus Originally by: SkyLordUK Originally by: Aneu Angellus Originally by: SkyLordUK i tryed playing WoW during EvE as some of my mates play it, i played around 1 hour and got extremely bored . Since then i've stayed away from fantasy type games which crosses blizzard off my list so i havent played diablo 1,2 or 3 and CCP going into fantasy is the same as Blizzard going into Sci-fi they both got a huge montain to climb to compete specially since ST:O is coming out end of this year which is one im keeping my eye on p.s. i think the warhammer TTG was out before blizzard existed lol (dont quote me though) You should most deffinatley play Diablo 1 & 2 and i can guarantee you will then play Diablo 3 when it comes out. Blizzard already have experience in the semi-sci-fi with regards to starcraft. Additionally blizzard is the behemoth of the gaming industry, the largest games company in exsistance currently. If Blizzard don't have the tallent for it in-house they will just get someone in to do it. It would be highly likely people in the sci-fi mmo genre would get head hunted since no other company can compare to the stability and resource. i saw someone play starcraft and i thought whats the challenge in out spamming units to win (i got bored of C&C because of this). anything to do with spells and magic is a no go but i made one execption....WAR just cause i play the TTG but im looking forward to the 40K version of WAR as i prefer sci-fi to magic anyway SPACE MARINE FTW!!! back on topic. thats the thing if blizzard get someone else then blizzard didnt make it If Blizzard hired TomB and TomB became lead designer, then Blizzard made it I agree starcraft can become a little annoying but thats due to the age of the game mostly imo. Diablo is just pure fun. For those saying blizzard make the dumbest possible games then i say that you need to take your blinkers off. Blizzard are the only games company people are willing to wait for games to be completed from because people trust them. They know Blizzard take pride in the games they ship and any major issue will be a rather large embarrassment to them (unlike CCP who like to ship things with boot.ini). If you like gaming, you will like Diablo even though the Graphics are out-dated now, the game is still flawless. just cause im a gamer doesnt mean i like diablo i hate nearly all fantasy games the only thing that comes close to fantasy games is medeival total war 2 im just a sci fi guy and no amount of persuation can change that Sky. ---------------------------------------------- Jumping Gates is like a box of sweets You just dont know were the sour one is
Havohej Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:04:00 - [19] Blizz might make a sci-fi spaceship game that rivals the visual beauty of EVE, sure, but they will never, ever produce a product with all of the sandboxy-ness and freedom of EVE, they'll never make a game where you stand to really lose something... it will look like an EVE competitor in graphics, but it won't BE an EVE competitor in spirit. IF that's even what this mystery project is about to begin with. "You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer
Dan Glebitts	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:10:00 - [20] Patch broke the MODS?
Bonny Lee Caldari The Guardian Agency Guardian Federation	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:13:00 - [21] I dont think it would be a good idea to look at eve and copy. If they would try this they had to develop 4-5 years at least to be able to compete with the eve of today. And they have to solve problems with fights of 1000 and more people where CCP has the biggest experience of all the developers. And until the game is ready the question is... what happened in EvE in this time. Perhaps some other companys do understand soon that it is better to invest in a game that can be developed further and further then creating games that in future cant compete with the older games. If i would have to creat a game i would at least have a plan for the next 5 years with visions for the game where it should go just like ccp does. You need a concept that is not getting old. Look at WoW: What can they do with this: LvL100 LvL120? LvL200? Thats no option in my point of view and because of that they have to design a new MMO without such "mistakes". Perhaps they will manage it but it would take years to catch up with eve. => they will not copy eve.
Aneu Angellus Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:25:00 - [22] There is a loophole people are missing here. Eve is a game, and people pay to play it - this everyone knows (or i hope... unless your a goon, then you pay to play on sa forums too lawl). The loophole here is, blizzard make fun games. Eve is fun to an extent and then it becomes a lesser second job. Iv had to leave for a month or two at a time simply because of burnout. It does that to you if you have been a ceo or director, if you manage pos's, if you are involved in a large 0,0 war... Eve v a Similar less time-sinked game = allot of people leaving, but those hard-core people of us would still stay and stick it out... i know i probably would but still, there are those who wouldnt. ________________ Dark Angel Battalion Aneu Angellus
Shevar Minmatar Target Practice incorporated	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:31:00 - [23] Originally by: Aneu Angellus There is a loophole people are missing here. Eve is a game, and people pay to play it - this everyone knows (or i hope... unless your a goon, then you pay to play on sa forums too lawl). The loophole here is, blizzard make fun games. Eve is fun to an extent and then it becomes a lesser second job. Iv had to leave for a month or two at a time simply because of burnout. It does that to you if you have been a ceo or director, if you manage pos's, if you are involved in a large 0,0 war... Eve v a Similar less time-sinked game = allot of people leaving, but those hard-core people of us would still stay and stick it out... i know i probably would but still, there are those who wouldnt. You can also burn out quite easily being an officer/GM in a raiding guild. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Akura kawanaka	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:34:00 - [24] Edited by: Akura kawanaka on 20/05/2009 11:35:06 I used to play WoW and I can say that despite what people say about eve being dull, it is LESS tedious than WoW. if Blizzard made a space MMO - the missions would run as follows: Amarr navy agent> I'm in dire need of melted capacitor circuits! please go out and bring me 50 of them - they drop from rats at the asteroid belts. as a reward I'll give you a tech one passive shield hardener player goes out and kills stuff and after many hours brings back the required 50 melted caps agent> thank you for that! I'm actually now in need of 40 metal scraps! if you get me this I'll give you another passive shield hardner of a different type. player looses the will to live and goes back to eve edit: mind you - every ship will be cartoonish and will be able to fly in formation and /dance will work
Aneu Angellus Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:36:00 - [25] Edited by: Aneu Angellus on 20/05/2009 11:38:23 Originally by: Shevar Originally by: Aneu Angellus There is a loophole people are missing here. Eve is a game, and people pay to play it - this everyone knows (or i hope... unless your a goon, then you pay to play on sa forums too lawl). The loophole here is, blizzard make fun games. Eve is fun to an extent and then it becomes a lesser second job. Iv had to leave for a month or two at a time simply because of burnout. It does that to you if you have been a ceo or director, if you manage pos's, if you are involved in a large 0,0 war... Eve v a Similar less time-sinked game = allot of people leaving, but those hard-core people of us would still stay and stick it out... i know i probably would but still, there are those who wouldnt. You can also burn out quite easily being an officer/GM in a raiding guild. Not similar in the slightest. To burn out in a game like WoW you would need to have some mental instability... most people just get bored. With eve, you try to fuel pos's constantly for a few months or set your alarm to make sure that pos is rep'd when coming out of RF, and if you dont your last 3 months of fueling your pos's has been for naught... Wow, you die, you dont lose anything apart from a small amount of durability, you either get res'd or you just turn into a ghost and re-enter the instance... job done Major scale difference. ________________ Dark Angel Battalion Aneu Angellus
Aneu Angellus Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:37:00 - [26] Originally by: Akura kawanaka Edited by: Akura kawanaka on 20/05/2009 11:35:06 I used to play WoW and I can say that despite what people say about eve being dull, it is LESS tedious than WoW. if Blizzard made a space MMO - the missions would run as follows: Amarr navy agent> I'm in dire need of melted capacitor circuits! please go out and bring me 50 of them - they drop from rats at the asteroid belts. as a reward I'll give you a tech one passive shield hardener player goes out and kills stuff and after many hours brings back the required 50 melted caps agent> thank you for that! I'm actually now in need of 40 metal scraps! if you get me this I'll give you another passive shield hardner of a different type. player looses the will to live and goes back to eve edit: mind you - every ship will be cartoonish and will be able to fly in formation and /dance will work I actually want /dance where my ship bobs up and down... ________________ Dark Angel Battalion Aneu Angellus
MukkBarovian	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:40:00 - [27] I like Blizzard. They make good games. If you want to disagree I can point to the wild success of WoW but by definition EvE is an enemy of WoW. If you discoint the many differences that are why we prefer to play EvE. EvE is like an open Unreal Tournament arena with no boundaries, and a huge death penalty. And your homicidal maniac is a homicidal ship&crew. There is no confusing the two. Anyway Diablo was good. But you had to approach it for the joy of hacking, slashing, and anihilating hordes of monsters. There is no roleplay involved. I have never gotten competetive at starcraft. But RTS is a nice genre for pvp gaming. And starcraft was a decent one. I stoped doing competetive RTS when I slowly stopped playing Age of Empires 3 and became an EvE zombie. Empire Earth 1 and 2 were horribly disapointing. I'm looking forward to starcraft 2. But anyway. A new Blizzard MMORPG. What did they say when they made WoW? My immediate guess is they said. Everquest is old. Lets make a clone. I played Everquest, and I played WoW. Everquest had a harder death penalty. It was less intuitive. Other than that it was pretty much the same. What are they going to do? I don't know. Whatever it is I expect it is going to be well executed. It will be good, but it will also be something that a great majority of people could appreciate. I'm trying to say that like WoW, it will be designed for the largest possible audience. And so I don't think anyone has to worry that EvE will lose members. If Bizzard makes a space game the gut wrenching combat that so many people don't like wont be included. The feeling of being in a warzone out in 0.0 won't be developed, and EvE will keep its niche. The people who will leave are the ones in highsec running level 4 missions who are somehow not bored out of their minds. If you want to look for competition you have to head over to Jumpgate Evolution. They want to be EvE with a joystick. Maybe they'll succeed. IDK. I'm sitting here looking at their website and I only have a limited idea what they're about.
Jagga Spikes Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.05.20 12:00:00 - [28] i'm hoping for a sci-fi, specifically cyberpunk. there is room for it. tho, blizzard cares a bit much about political correctness for that genre. overall, whatever they make, it's probably going to be a success. bar originality, all aspects of their games work. take it at face value, and you will have fun, at least for a while.
DerArt1st DEFCON. Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.05.20 12:02:00 - [29] Edited by: DerArt1st on 20/05/2009 12:03:02 Originally by: Dan Glebitts Blizzard do one thing and one thing only.Do not look too Blizzard for ingenuity they have built their fortune and reputation off the backs of those that have taken risks in game design. Wow, you seem to be a Blizzard-expert. Let me help you out a bit what Blizzard did in the past: -Lost Vikings The Lost Vikings is a side-scrolling platform puzzle game with a twist. Instead of one character who can jump, run, shoot, collect items, flip switches and so on, there are three different characters, each with his own skills.) -Rock-n-Roll-Racing Rock 'n Roll Racing is an arcade combat racing game. Combat plays a heavy role in the game, as each car has a frontal weapon, such as a laser or missile, and a drop weapon, such as spikes or mines. As you complete races, you get more money to upgrade your car. -Warcraft Dune 2 was the first realtime strategygame (developed by Westwood Studios) but it was quite simple. Bigger and more expensive units were always better than smaller so there were no real tactics in that game. Warcraft was different. Every unit had its own role. Close-range units, siege weapons, player controlled air units and so on. Also i should mention that Blizzard introduced "fog of war" with this game and almost "every" other game copied it so its a well known standard in gaming today. -Battle Chess First animated Chess. There are 35 animations (over 4 MB of animation), including movement, prelude to battle, and the combinations of battle itself (the latter often being rather brutal). The rook, for example, turns into a rock monster and kills a pawn by smashing his head. -Castles The game combines several genres of gameplay including resource management, a text-based multiple-choice storyline and a simple combat mode. -Diablo Diablo is one of the most well-known examples of the action-RPG subgenre. Although players level up, choose character classes, and manage a variety of spells and equipment as in a typical RPG, all actions are done in real time, as in an action game. Diablo in many ways resembles roguelike games, the main differences being more realistic graphics and the fact the game is in real time, rather than turn-based. Also Blizzard introduced: -BattleNet with it. Battle.net is an online gaming service provided by Blizzard Entertainment. It was launched in January 1997 with the release of Blizzard's action-RPG Diablo. Battle.net was the first online gaming service incorporated directly into the games that make use of it, in contrast to the external interfaces used by the other online services at the time. This feature, along with ease of account creations and the absence of member fees, caused Battle.net to become popular among gamers and became a major selling point for Diablo and subsequent Blizzard games. -StarCraft With more than 11 million copies sold worldwide as of February 2009, it is one of the best-selling games for the personal computer. StarCraft's multiplayer is particularly popular in South Korea, where professional players and teams participate in matches, earn sponsorships, and compete in televised tournaments. While i agree that Blizzard copied some ideas i have to say that they perfected them. I dont want to sound like a Blizzard-fanboy but your statement isn't quite true. Blizzard is on top of the list for game design and they deserved it imho. Think about what will happen to EvE if Blizzard decides to create a space based MMO one day. -Art
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2009.05.20 12:13:00 - [30] Originally by: DerArt1st -Battle Chess First animated Chess. There are 35 animations (over 4 MB of animation), including movement, prelude to battle, and the combinations of battle itself (the latter often being rather brutal). The rook, for example, turns into a rock monster and kills a pawn by smashing his head. Didn't know Blizzard made that. Awesome game, I used to play it for hours and hours a day FREE! jumpclone service - over 200 locations!
DerArt1st DEFCON. Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.05.20 12:19:00 - [31] Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: DerArt1st -Battle Chess First animated Chess. There are 35 animations (over 4 MB of animation), including movement, prelude to battle, and the combinations of battle itself (the latter often being rather brutal). The rook, for example, turns into a rock monster and kills a pawn by smashing his head. Didn't know Blizzard made that. Awesome game, I used to play it for hours and hours a day Well, it hasn't been made by Blizzard. Silicon & Synapse created that game. They renamed to Chaos Studios and a bit later they were forced to changed name again due to a conflict with another company named Chaos, so the name Blizzard Entertainment was born.
Aneu Angellus Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.05.20 12:41:00 - [32] Originally by: DerArt1st Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: DerArt1st -Battle Chess First animated Chess. There are 35 animations (over 4 MB of animation), including movement, prelude to battle, and the combinations of battle itself (the latter often being rather brutal). The rook, for example, turns into a rock monster and kills a pawn by smashing his head. Didn't know Blizzard made that. Awesome game, I used to play it for hours and hours a day Well, it hasn't been made by Blizzard. Silicon & Synapse created that game. They renamed to Chaos Studios and a bit later they were forced to changed name again due to a conflict with another company named Chaos, so the name Blizzard Entertainment was born. No need for anal comments, by definition Blizzard made it, or the company that was to become blizzard made it... hence same thing. ________________ Dark Angel Battalion Aneu Angellus
Falkrich Swifthand Caldari eNinjas Incorporated	Posted - 2009.05.20 12:42:00 - [33] Edited by: Falkrich Swifthand on 20/05/2009 12:43:02 Originally by: DerArt1st Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: DerArt1st -Battle Chess First animated Chess. There are 35 animations (over 4 MB of animation), including movement, prelude to battle, and the combinations of battle itself (the latter often being rather brutal). The rook, for example, turns into a rock monster and kills a pawn by smashing his head. Didn't know Blizzard made that. Awesome game, I used to play it for hours and hours a day Well, it hasn't been made by Blizzard. Silicon & Synapse created that game. They renamed to Chaos Studios and a bit later they were forced to changed name again due to a conflict with another company named Chaos, so the name Blizzard Entertainment was born. The Wikipedia article you linked to says it was both developed and published by Interplay, not Silicon and Synapse. Which is it? EDIT: Looking at the Blizzard / Silicon and Synapse page on Wikipedia says that they did the Windows port of Battle Chess, but they didn't do the original. nullnull My sig is not my sig.
DerArt1st DEFCON. Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.05.20 12:45:00 - [34] Edited by: DerArt1st on 20/05/2009 13:05:17 Originally by: Falkrich Swifthand stuff Publisher != Developer Example: Command & Conquer Publisher: Virgin Interactive Developer: Westwood Studios Wiki scroll down to Titles: Battle Chess (Windows and Commodore 64 ports)[8] 1992 chess Well, u might be right with that. I looked at the german-wiki first(nothing about port) and linked the english version were it says they did the port. I will check that later with my Amiga-Emulator
Dictum Factum Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.05.20 13:26:00 - [35] I keep waiting for a company to do something with Space 1889.
Dan Glebitts	Posted - 2009.05.20 13:38:00 - [36] Edited by: Dan Glebitts on 20/05/2009 13:43:58 Originally by: Dan Glebitts Blizzard do one thing and one thing only.Do not look too Blizzard for ingenuity they have built their fortune and reputation off the backs of those that have taken risks in game design. Originally by: DerArt1st Wow, you seem to be a Blizzard-expert. Let me help you out a bit what Blizzard did in the past: Oh dear someone thinks I'm 12. I promise you matey I happily loaded each and every one of these games as they were released. If you disagreed with my assertion that their games are polished versions of existing games. Then by all means show me their original works. Especially over the last 10 years as they have grown from a small developer. Don't try to defend them by cutting and pasting a blurb about each game. I'm afraid that doesn't cut it. Originally by: DerArt1st While i agree that Blizzard copied some ideas i have to say that they perfected them. I dont want to sound like a Blizzard-fanboy but your statement isn't quite true. Blizzard is on top of the list for game design and they deserved it imho. You almost have it here. I am not saying Blizzard's games are bad... Read my post again. I am saying that they do not go any further than looking at the market pinching something and polishing it. Sure the games are playable - as i have already applauded them for,but you will NEVER get a concept like EVE (for instance) out of them. Which is why they will NEVER excite me with a game. They are the Vanilla of developers. Never likely to disappoint but always leaves you wishing for something with more grit. p.s. Even looking at your blurbs briefly i can tell you its crap. Warcraft did not invent Fog of War that honour belongs to the classic Dune2 (A game I spent a hideous amount of time playing) the fact that you don't know this speaks volumes... Copy 'n' Paste is bad.
Falkrich Swifthand Caldari eNinjas Incorporated	Posted - 2009.05.20 13:40:00 - [37] Originally by: DerArt1st Publisher != Developer No need to tell me that, I work for Midway Newcastle, who made "Vin Diesel: Wheelman", but reviews often say the developer is Ubisoft (our publisher in most of the world thanks to Midway US being in chapter 11 bankruptcy) or even Tigon (Vin Diesel's own games studio, who only did the Vin model AFAIK). nullnull My sig is not my sig.
DerArt1st DEFCON. Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.05.20 13:53:00 - [38] Edited by: DerArt1st on 20/05/2009 13:57:06 Originally by: Dan Glebitts Warcraft did not invent Fog of War that honour belongs to the classic Dune2 (A game I spent a hideous amount of time playing) the fact that you don't know this speaks volumes... Copy 'n' Paste is bad. Wrong. Opening your mouth without knowing what you are talking about is bad. Do u know what fog of war means? Show it me in Dune 2: 1 2 3 4 -Art Hint: The black parts are no fog of war. Let me help you again: The term "fog of war" has become jargon in military and adventure video and computer games, in the more limited sense of enemy units or characters being hidden from the player. Often this is done by obscuring sections of the map already explored by the player with a grey fog whenever they do not have a unit in that area to report on what is there.
Dan Glebitts	Posted - 2009.05.20 13:54:00 - [39] Originally by: Dictum Factum I keep waiting for a company to do something with Space 1889. I'm waiting for a K240 remake ;p
Dan Glebitts	Posted - 2009.05.20 13:57:00 - [40] Originally by: DerArt1st Edited by: DerArt1st on 20/05/2009 13:54:10 Originally by: Dan Glebitts Warcraft did not invent Fog of War that honour belongs to the classic Dune2 (A game I spent a hideous amount of time playing) the fact that you don't know this speaks volumes... Copy 'n' Paste is bad. Wrong. Opening your mouth without knowing what you are talking about is bad. Do u know what fog of war means? Show it me in Dune 2: 1 2 3 4 -Art Hint: The black parts are no fog of war. lol The black parts are fog of war. That's why in later games it actually gives you the [in game] option of making the [FOG OF WAR] persistent or not! lol
DerArt1st DEFCON. Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.05.20 13:58:00 - [41] Edited by: DerArt1st on 20/05/2009 14:05:08 Originally by: Dan Glebitts stuff Failed! The black part is just unexplored terrain. That has nothing to do with the term "fog of war".
Dan Glebitts	Posted - 2009.05.20 14:04:00 - [42] Edited by: Dan Glebitts on 20/05/2009 14:06:25 Defeated by obvious proof that he himself supplied the Blizzard fanboy resorts to internet retorts. Failzors waaa etc. Later games took these concepts of Fog of War and altered them. You are saying that because blizzard made the fog come back it's magically an original idea? No because they weren't the first to even do that. So impress me what term would you call the vast areas of darkness that surrounds you when you begini a level of Dune 2. Donkey.
DerArt1st DEFCON. Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.05.20 14:07:00 - [43] Edited by: DerArt1st on 20/05/2009 14:14:21 Originally by: Dan Glebitts stuff Read above. Let me repeat it slowly so u can get it: The black part is just unexplored terrain. That has nothing to do with the term "fog of war". The term "fog of war" has become jargon in military and adventure video and computer games, in the more limited sense of enemy units or characters being hidden from the player. Often this is done by obscuring sections of the map already explored by the player with a grey fog whenever they do not have a unit in that area to report on what is there. Picture(i only found a good looking in german) black = unexplored terrain grey = fog of war white = area that is covered by sight of the unit(if it moves away the white area becomes grey)
Dan Glebitts	Posted - 2009.05.20 14:25:00 - [44] The fog of war is a term used to describe the level of ambiguity in situational awareness experienced by participants in military operations. The term seeks to capture the uncertainty regarding own capability, adversary capability and adversary intent during an engagement, operation or campaign. - When playing Dune2 are not all of the above applicable when beginning a mission? Regardless wether you call it fog of war or not the concept has been around in games far longer than even Dune2. So again Blizzard can't claim that acolade. As I said later games were developed where in their very own options screens you could choose wether the Fog of War was persistent or not. i.e. Will the Fog grow back or not. Anyway no more arguing from me, wasn't even the point I was trying to make regarding Blizzard anyway. The classic example of Blizzards game design process is unfortunately WoW... It's a massive economic success something that will cement further their intent to create compact, simple, polished games rather than experiment and achieve (or) fail at creating concepts that will define future generations of games. Blizzard inspire developers bank wallets not their imagination. Anyway peace.
DerArt1st DEFCON. Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.05.20 14:30:00 - [45] Edited by: DerArt1st on 20/05/2009 14:37:14 Originally by: Dan Glebitts The fog of war is a term used to describe the level of ambiguity in situational awareness experienced by participants in military operations. The term seeks to capture the uncertainty regarding own capability, adversary capability and adversary intent during an engagement, operation or campaign. Oh, i didnt noticed we switched from game design to military in reallife. Sorry, that must be clearly my fault. Originally by: Dan Glebitts Anyway no more arguing from me Anyway peace. Thanks for participating in this thread. -Art
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.05.20 15:01:00 - [46] I'm detecting a fair bit of WoW-hate. I don't know why there is so much vitriol for the game. It's fun and accessible. Yes, it doesn't have the freeform nature of EVE, but it is still a good game. Has anyone thought about the fact that EVE could stand a little competition? Look at it this way, all those niggly problems like lag in factional warfare would be addressed tomorrow if CCP had a direct competitor, as they strive to placate as many customers as they can. At the moment, the game has quite a few broken aspects, and they are being fixed very slowly because there's no imperative driving them on, and none of us appear to be willing to cancel our subscription, because we love the game. Now Blizzard come along with a shiny new space game. CCP get worried. Some players leave. CCP see a fall in their income and become very worried. Now they realise they have to work a little harder to maintain the existing customer base. Longstanding issues get prioritised. New ideas are developed, and the customers listened to a little more closely. The game evolves. I'm not saying CCP are a bad company, as I think they are quite a good one, and have done well to keep EVE going when so many MMOs fail. However, success does breed complacency, especially when you're number one in a field of one. WoW always had direct competitors, and it has forced the game to grow when it could have stagnated. This isn't to say EVE hasn't evolved, as it has changed immensly since I first started playing (and why CCP have kept it alive for so long), but the game has always had rough edges. Of course, there is always the danger that EVE may be overpowered by the Blizzard juggernaut, but as so many EVE players are so keen of saying, adapt and survive. Blizzard entering the space MMO arena doesn't spell the end of EVE, but it will force CCP to focus their efforts more.
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.05.20 15:14:00 - [47] Originally by: Dan Glebitts Originally by: DerArt1st Edited by: DerArt1st on 20/05/2009 13:54:10 Originally by: Dan Glebitts Warcraft did not invent Fog of War that honour belongs to the classic Dune2 (A game I spent a hideous amount of time playing) the fact that you don't know this speaks volumes... Copy 'n' Paste is bad. Wrong. Opening your mouth without knowing what you are talking about is bad. Do u know what fog of war means? Show it me in Dune 2: 1 2 3 4 -Art Hint: The black parts are no fog of war. lol The black parts are fog of war. That's why in later games it actually gives you the [in game] option of making the [FOG OF WAR] persistent or not! lol Actually, that is shroud. Fog of War is exactly what it says, a fainter shroud going back over the terrain, allowing you to see what the terrain still is, but leaving you unable to see what is concealed within it (units, buildings etc.).
Reven Cordelle Caldari Yamainu-Mirai Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.05.20 15:22:00 - [48] Blizzard's new MMO -> Fog of War. HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN.
Aneu Angellus Caldari Death Pain Suffering	Posted - 2009.05.20 18:36:00 - [49] Originally by: Reven Cordelle Blizzard's new MMO -> Fog of War. HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN. This is EvE... ________________ Dark Angel Battalion Aneu Angellus
MukkBarovian	Posted - 2009.05.20 21:06:00 - [50] Originally by: Reven Cordelle Blizzard's new MMO -> Fog of War. HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN. Some idiot didn't know exactly what 'fog of war' is in a RTS. So he spent time telling everybody about it. And when he realized he was wrong, he posted some fallback position about how it is in real life or something.
WarlockX Amarr Free Trade Corp	Posted - 2009.05.20 22:25:00 - [51] Edited by: WarlockX on 20/05/2009 22:24:56 Originally by: Dan Glebitts Originally by: DerArt1st Edited by: DerArt1st on 20/05/2009 13:54:10 Originally by: Dan Glebitts Warcraft did not invent Fog of War that honour belongs to the classic Dune2 (A game I spent a hideous amount of time playing) the fact that you don't know this speaks volumes... Copy 'n' Paste is bad. Wrong. Opening your mouth without knowing what you are talking about is bad. Do u know what fog of war means? Show it me in Dune 2: 1 2 3 4 -Art Hint: The black parts are no fog of war. lol The black parts are fog of war. That's why in later games it actually gives you the [in game] option of making the [FOG OF WAR] persistent or not! lol that's unexplored terrain. fog of war is explored terrain that you don't have current info on. And he's right it was invented in warcraft1 by blizzard. ----------------------------------------------- Free Trade Corp - Flash page
mercyonman Caldari Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.21 00:40:00 - [52] protoss don't use spells buddy get your **** straight they use their mind powers dark archon: MINDcontrol maelstrom those arnt spells "Boo hoo. Cry some more." - DEV CCP Whisper
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.05.21 01:03:00 - [53] /me walks into the thread Oh hey guys want some piz- almost gets beheaded by flying wiki-pedia article /me hastily backpages to avoid further incident. ___________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 ^Third Times a Charm^
KingsGambit Caldari Knights	Posted - 2009.05.21 08:11:00 - [54] Originally by: DerArt1st 2005 Blizzard Entertainment got the (negative) Big Brother Award in the category "Communication and Marketing" because of inbuild spysoftware in the game World of Warcraft. This software - called Warden - scans both memory and cpu-tasks while running for common cheatsoftware. I hope thats the only thing they scan for. Another reason not to play World of Warcraft./quote]So it's okay for FPSs to use Punkbuster but not for an MMO to have a similar system? The amount of whining from Eve players alone about macro miners and ISK farmers, you'd think players would be glad to hear one game at least is actually doing something about preventing it. If you don't want to play a game because you aren't able to use cheats or programs, say you're a cheater, don't blame the company. -------------
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.05.21 08:41:00 - [55] Originally by: KingsGambit Originally by: DerArt1st 2005 Blizzard Entertainment got the (negative) Big Brother Award in the category "Communication and Marketing" because of inbuild spysoftware in the game World of Warcraft. This software - called Warden - scans both memory and cpu-tasks while running for common cheatsoftware. I hope thats the only thing they scan for. Another reason not to play World of Warcraft. So it's okay for FPSs to use Punkbuster but not for an MMO to have a similar system? The amount of whining from Eve players alone about macro miners and ISK farmers, you'd think players would be glad to hear one game at least is actually doing something about preventing it. If you don't want to play a game because you aren't able to use cheats or programs, say you're a cheater, don't blame the company. Last time i cared to check Punkbuster only checked the program it was protecting, it didnt scan for background processes and memory access's. Granted it might have changed, but it used to just log screenshots of the players screen, check for irregularities in normal parameters between the servers stats and if anything irregular showed up on the screen (aka, not part of the normal HUD) it would kick the player from the server, And if his speed was irregular, same deal. Warden checks every running process on your computer, logs it, compared them to known cheating programs, Checks your memory access's for the last X minutes, compares for the same, and thats just what i know it does without further inspection. ___________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 ^Third Times a Charm^
Aneu Angellus Caldari Death Pain Suffering	Posted - 2009.05.21 08:47:00 - [56] Originally by: mercyonman protoss don't use spells buddy get your ** straight they use their mind powers dark archon: MINDcontrol maelstrom those arnt spells http://www.creepcolony.com/spells.shtml http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/starcraft/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-43283627&pid=25418 Sorry to burst your bubble but Psionic abilities are known as spells. Aneu ________________** Dark Angel Battalion Aneu Angellus
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.05.21 09:13:00 - [57] Originally by: Havohej Blizz might make a sci-fi spaceship game that rivals the visual beauty of EVE, sure, but they will never, ever produce a product with all of the sandboxy-ness and freedom of EVE, they'll never make a game where you stand to really lose something... it will look like an EVE competitor in graphics, but it won't BE an EVE competitor in spirit. IF that's even what this mystery project is about to begin with. Personally, I'd love it if Blizzard (or just someone) made a well-done PvE-based spaceships MMO.
Aricaan Gallente Playboy Enterprises Dark Taboo	Posted - 2009.05.21 10:30:00 - [58] I bet the crafting system will suck. Down with the Caldari devils!

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