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Jita Security
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:26:00 -
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Solution Part 1:
Combat pilots get ships with combat bonuses.
Exploration pilots get ships with exploration bonuses.
Traders get ships with? Nothing.
Give me ships with bonuses to trade skills or give me death. A frigate that increases profit margins by 5% per level. A tradecruiser that makes people pay 5% per level more then the price on the market. A tradeship with bonuses to lasers and shield resistances. Every other profession has more then one class of ship absolutely dedicated to their goals APART FROM TRADERS.
Solution Part 2:
Remove all haulers from the game. Allow traders to teleport goods from anywhere in the galaxy to anywhere else in the galaxy. Combat pilots and exploration pilots don't have to make 15+ jumps in the slowest ships (which are also the biggest targets) to accomplish their goals yet we traders get THE SHAFT once again.
Conclusion:
It is very difficult to make any kind of profit trading. Many turn to scamming in an effort to make a quick buck such as the legend Delphi Grendalus. More often then not traders in this game actually make a LOSS, not a profit. Trading as it is right now is completely BROKEN and DEAD.
Proof:
Watch local in a trade hub, how many legitimate trades do you see compared with scamming trades? If legitimate trading was actually profitable no one would be a scammer.
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Lork Niffle
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:29:00 -
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BAAAWWWW, di someone undercut you by 0.1.
Call the WAAAAAAAAAmbulance.
Seriously grow up and learn that thats what real life is like.
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Stitcher
Caldari
ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 20/05/2009 11:29:28
oh man. I came in here thinking "this should be good" but I wasn't expecting this. This is hilarious!
Yeah, can I have a magical "money out of thin air" ship as well please?
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:30:00 -
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Many turn to scamming in an effort to make a quick buck such as the legend Delphi Grendalus.
Oh dear, Delphi. Oh dear.
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Lonzo Kincaid
Duty.
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:30:00 -
[5]
troll
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The rule of thumb is you have to outnumber them 2:1 before you even think about engaging them
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Zaknussem
Intrum Industria
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:30:00 -
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As much as you raise an...interesting point, you're also obviously a biased party downplaying the (potential) profit margins of your profession.
Half-competent traders can make BILLIONS in a month. Consistently. The good ones make tens of billions in that same timeframe. Risk-free. You don't even have to leave the station to make this much money. Show me any other profession that can succeed so well without ever having to undock. |
Reven Cordelle
Caldari
Yamainu-Mirai Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:33:00 -
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Haha, either this is a good troll or a very misguided whine.
I can't quite tell.
If you're making a loss as a trader, then you fail as a trader. I've dabbled in trade and have always made a profit.
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:33:00 -
[8]
Quite poor trolling attempt.
2/10 given for the amusement factor.
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Opertone
Caldari
Internal Anarchy
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:34:00 -
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utter lol
but scams and alt - trading should be put to an end...
0.1 price wars also blow, why can't people choose which orders to deal with?
****ty advertising of faulty contracts doesn't add to game entertainment, every 12 minutes a new 'sddgkdkdf' character comes into channel and promotes isk trade. This is out of permissible level
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Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:34:00 -
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I like the idea of a trade cruiser which could bring stuff in deep nullsec
Why not Scamcruisers and Scamships also ? 
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Governor LePetomane
Rock Ridge Brokerage Solutions
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor
Quite poor trolling attempt.
2/10 given for the amusement factor.
Yeah. It's kinda funny, sort of.
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Jita Security
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:37:00 -
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Edited by: Jita Security on 20/05/2009 11:37:04
I knew I would be flammed by those of you who supposedly "make BILLIONS every second of every day". The fact is there is not one single person that consistently makes billions trading. You have a billion in incoming isk in your wallet but you more then likely have at LEAST 975M outgoing.
I sit in Jita ALL DAY attempting to trade and watching local. I've crunched the numbers and ran every forumla. It is near impossible to turn a profit trading in the current system. My changes would not only make trading a lot more fun but it would also open it up for new players to start making profits.
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Jita Security
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lara Dantreb
I like the idea of a trade cruiser which could bring stuff in deep nullsec
Why not Scamcruisers and Scamships also ?
That has been suggested to death both here in general and in the ideas forums. No one likes scammers (more like scumbummers) so I doubt they should/will get anything dedicated to them apart from a fatlasering to the face.
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pandoran
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:41:00 -
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lol and what would you say to all those pilots that move stuff around the universe sorry guys your all not needed anymore
enjoy spinning ships
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:48:00 -
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OP. You=Fail.
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:50:00 -
[16]
*thumbs down*
1/10
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
Yeah, can I have a magical "money out of thin air" ship as well please?
I think they're called CNR; occasionally Golem, Nighthawk, Nightmare or Paladin. 
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Kendar
Gallente
Disney inc
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:54:00 -
[18]
drunkposting?
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Shade Millith
International House of PWNCakes
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:55:00 -
[19]
Just go away Delphi....
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Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:56:00 -
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I'm a trader, and what you write there is just b*****.
-1/10
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Jita Security
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lost Hamster
I'm a trader, and what you write there is just b*****.
-1/10
Ok then fine you are welcome to your opinion however wrong it might be. Tell me WHY my ideas, that would no doubt fix the entire EVE economy, are "b*****"
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Nyu Shin
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Posted - 2009.05.20 12:00:00 -
[22]
3/10
WTB: scam cov-op
5% higher chance of injecting additional comma inside contracts
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Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.20 12:08:00 -
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OPs argument suffer wrecking hits from reality.
First off - traders *do* have dedicated ships: Indus, Blockade Runners and Freighters.
Not only are there many people making tons of money form trading, I met a noob (few weeks in game) once who already made 10s of million just by trading.
There's plenty of money in trading. If op failed because his attempts to make 215% margin by shipping stuff from Jita 4 to Jita 10 didn't work out then - shrug - that's not really a problem.
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Holy Bringer
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Posted - 2009.05.20 12:11:00 -
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OP is wrong, OP is Delphi Grendalus.
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OffBeaT
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.20 12:16:00 -
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i can see implants doing these things not ships.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.20 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: Poreuomai on 20/05/2009 12:20:21
Originally by: Jita Security
.. or give me death.
That can be arranged if you come to the Catch region, but seriously:
Originally by: Jita Security
Every other profession has more then one class of ship absolutely dedicated to their goals APART FROM TRADERS.
That's not true, many EVE professions don't have dedicated ships.
Originally by: Jita Security
It is very difficult to make any kind of profit trading.
Ok, now you are just being silly. 
Let My People Go |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.20 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Holy Bringer
OP is wrong, OP is Delphi Grendalus.
Hello. We're from the Department of Redundancy Department, and we'd like to have a word with you…
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Arkeladin
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Posted - 2009.05.20 12:20:00 -
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Best way to "fix" trading in this game:
Permaban all idiots like Jits Security AND HIS MAIN - reduce the idiodicy factior by at least 0.012% around here.
Those have to be some of the lamest, LOL-worthy ideas I've ever heard...and the fact he's supposedly serious about 'em is a bigger joke than the ideas themselves!
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.20 12:29:00 -
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The OP is right.
Trading is broken, i recomend selling all your stuff to buy orders only....
I always sell at a loss.
AND THATS EVEN WHEN I BUY HIGH AND SELL LOW!
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ry ry
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Posted - 2009.05.20 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Lara Dantreb
I like the idea of a trade cruiser which could bring stuff in deep nullsec
Why not Scamcruisers and Scamships also ?
These are already in-game, and can be earned from escalated lvl5 epic mission arcs which take you into wormhole space.
i'll sell you one for 999k. contract's up in jita.
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ry ry
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Posted - 2009.05.20 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai
That's not true, many EVE professions don't have dedicated ships.
which is why i propose the bellicose has it's TP bonus changed to a font-size bonus when posting on CAOD.
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Lonzo Kincaid
Duty.
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Posted - 2009.05.20 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Security
Every other profession has more then one class of ship absolutely dedicated to their goals APART FROM TRADERS.
Industrial ships, transport ships, freighters, jump freighters, Orcas.
you're just going silly.
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mechtech
Entropy Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.20 12:32:00 -
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bad troll
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Jita Security
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Posted - 2009.05.20 12:37:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Jita Security on 20/05/2009 12:40:18
Just a little background for all you lame flamers and trolls:
IRL I am a successful day trader (not blowing my own horn here but I make 7 figure sums in USD a quater).
I own my own brokerage firm and mainly deal with stocks relating to ship builders and other naval industries. I KNOW what I am talking about, I KNOW all about the basic and advanced concepts behind trading and I KNOW for a fact that trading in this game is 100% broken.
IRL we have all sorts of laws and independant bodies to monitor and control the market which is why the world economy is as stable and realiable as it is. However being devoid of these safe guards in EVE it seems to have allowed about 10-12 people to control the ENTIRE market and make it dance to their whims. The only one of which I have been able to identify is the self-styled "Queen of Scams" Delphi Grendalus.
My solutions would not only free the market from the clutches of these shadowy 12 figures (lets just call them, MJ-12 or Market Judicators-12) but also allow it to slip and flow organically. It should be plainly obvious to everyone that everything being controlled in this way puts way too much power into the hands of only a few and is bad for the game, overall.
If you can't see that then I am afraid you don't know anything about trading, the market or EVE in general.
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quickshot89
Caldari
MEK Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.20 12:38:00 -
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Edited by: quickshot89 on 20/05/2009 12:39:36
its called trade skills OP, get them trained up ;)
edit: the real life market is not stable, hence thats why we are in a global recession
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.20 12:39:00 -
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i dont know anything about trading then..
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Asuka Smith
Gallente
StarHunt
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Posted - 2009.05.20 12:41:00 -
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This has to be the best Terminus post in at least nine months.
Seriously, you earned your 10m on this one bro.
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Narfas Deteis
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Posted - 2009.05.20 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Security
Solution Part 1:
Combat pilots get ships with combat bonuses.
Exploration pilots get ships with exploration bonuses.
Traders get ships with? Nothing.
Ship type: Money Cart
Ship name: Croesus
Developer: InterBus
Steals money from other pilots.
1000% bonus to effectiveness of ISK Nosferatu modules per level.
5% bonus to Forum Whine per level.
Role bonus: able to equip ISK Nosferatu modules. Immunity to targeted interdiction modules.
Slots: 8/8/8
How does it look?
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Jita Security
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Posted - 2009.05.20 12:45:00 -
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Edited by: Jita Security on 20/05/2009 12:45:40
Originally by: Narfas Deteis
Originally by: Jita Security
Solution Part 1:
Combat pilots get ships with combat bonuses.
Exploration pilots get ships with exploration bonuses.
Traders get ships with? Nothing.
Ship type: Money Cart
*SNIP*
How does it look?
I am not interested in nefarious scamming/criminal ships I'm afraid. All sorts of suggestions for scamming ships have been made by many players in many forums. I want TRADE ships, not CRIME ships.
It is already far too easy for a scammer to operate.
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quickshot89
Caldari
MEK Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.20 12:46:00 -
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trade ship = freighter? they ferry goods for trade?
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.20 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: quickshot89
trade ship = freighter? they ferry goods for trade?
but they gief no bonusseeseses like +5% per skill lvl profits.
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quickshot89
Caldari
MEK Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.20 12:53:00 -
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you get a cargo bonus per lvl, so you can fit more stuff to sell which should increase profits?
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.20 12:54:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Jita Security
Solution Part 1:
Combat pilots get ships with combat bonuses.
Exploration pilots get ships with exploration bonuses.
Traders get ships with? Nothing.
Give me ships with bonuses to trade skills or give me death. A frigate that increases profit margins by 5% per level. A tradecruiser that makes people pay 5% per level more then the price on the market. A tradeship with bonuses to lasers and shield resistances. Every other profession has more then one class of ship absolutely dedicated to their goals APART FROM TRADERS.
The last time I checked, industrials received a 5% cargo/level bonus.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.20 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: quickshot89
you get a cargo bonus per lvl, so you can fit more stuff to sell which should increase profits?
BUT BUT..
THEY NEED TO GIEF BOOST TO PROFIT.. ie. if i sell something with a 10% profit and im maxed out skill wise in my trading ship ill get like 12.5% profit and then i would be able to win eve... the game!
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Jita Security
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Posted - 2009.05.20 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Jita Security on 20/05/2009 12:58:50
Since when was the ability to move stuff around a TRADE skill?
Do you need TRADE skills to fly an industrial ship? Does it improve any of your TRADE skills i.e. can you make more market orders cause your ship level went up one? Do any of them help you spot gaps in the MARKET to exploit with your TRADE skills? No.
Please stop trolling what is a serious topic. You've all had your fun. Thank you.
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Originally by: Ji Sama
BUT BUT..
THEY NEED TO GIVE BOOST TO PROFIT.. ie. if i sell something with a 10% profit and im maxed out skill wise in my trading ship ill get like 12.5% profit!
Thank you! Finally someone gets what I am trying to say here.
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Darkerz Reloaded
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.20 12:59:00 -
[46]
damn thee cat !
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.20 12:59:00 -
[47]
1: train toon for trading.
2: get trading ship with special trading bonus
3: ?
4: profit
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.20 13:00:00 -
[48]
also nothing serious in this OP.
either the OP is a ****** or a troll. i vote troll 0/10
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Jita Security
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Posted - 2009.05.20 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama
also nothing serious in this OP.
either the OP is a ****** or a troll. i vote troll 0/10
Do you often reply 6 times to a topic you think is a 0/10 troll?
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Nerve Junkie
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.20 13:01:00 -
[50]
Aww.... baby want his bottle?
Whats wrong your invulnerability field II for 1m isk not working for you anymore?
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Akido Bushido
Solitude Empires
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.20 13:02:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Jita Security
Please stop trolling what is a "serious" topic. You've all had your fun. Thank you.
fixed it for u.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.20 13:08:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Jita Security
Just a little background for all you lame flamers and trolls:
IRL I am a successful day trader (not blowing my own horn here but I make 7 figure sums in USD a quater).
I own my own brokerage firm and mainly deal with stocks relating to ship builders and other naval industries. I KNOW what I am talking about, I KNOW all about the basic and advanced concepts behind trading and I KNOW for a fact that trading in this game is 100% broken.
IRL we have all sorts of laws and independant bodies to monitor and control the market which is why the world economy is as stable and realiable as it is. However being devoid of these safe guards in EVE it seems to have allowed about 10-12 people to control the ENTIRE market and make it dance to their whims. The only one of which I have been able to identify is the self-styled "Queen of Scams" Delphi Grendalus.
My solutions would not only free the market from the clutches of these shadowy 12 figures (lets just call them, MJ-12 or Market Judicators-12) but also allow it to slip and flow organically. It should be plainly obvious to everyone that everything being controlled in this way puts way too much power into the hands of only a few and is bad for the game, overall.
If you can't see that then I am afraid you don't know anything about trading, the market or EVE in general.
No.
But +1 for LOLarific conspiracy crap.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Major Stormer
Caldari
MEK Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.20 13:20:00 -
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I totally agree.
On a related topic, there should be no stations, and everywhere in eve needs to be 0.0., All ships should warp/jump/cyno to wherever I am apon logout.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.20 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Major Stormer
I totally agree.
On a related topic, there should be no stations, and everywhere in eve needs to be 0.0., All ships should warp/jump/cyno to wherever I am apon logout.
NO EVE IS A PVE GAME
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Anos Tammo
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Posted - 2009.05.20 13:43:00 -
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Edited by: Anos Tammo on 20/05/2009 13:53:30
OP, if you can't make any profit trading in EVE, then you're doing it wrong. That's all there is to it.
And I'm sure you're smart enough to be able to figure out the differentiation of the in-game trading possibilities to that of real-life. You can't expect a online game to be affected by all the factors one would see in real-life, as the online game markets excist only within the structure of the game mechanics and the liberties of it's players within that construct. As such, don't expect the EVE market or EVE's players to behave within the reasoning of real life, though EVE's market is the closest to the real thing I've come accross in a GAME.
So to succeed in trading in EVE, the age old beaten horse, though no less true, Learn and Adapt, is key.
edit: added second and third clause in retort to the OP's self-reflecting remarks.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.20 13:45:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Anos Tammo
OP, if you can't make any profit trading, then you're doing it wrong. That's all there is to it.
you know nothing about trading then.
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Anos Tammo
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Posted - 2009.05.20 13:55:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Ji Sama
Originally by: Anos Tammo
OP, if you can't make any profit trading, then you're doing it wrong. That's all there is to it.
you know nothing about trading then.
I suppose that must be the case then. I'm going to go roll around in my ISK to see if that doesn't make me feel better. 
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.20 14:05:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Jita Security
It is very difficult to make any kind of profit trading. Many turn to scamming in an effort to make a quick buck such as the legend Delphi Grendalus. More often then not traders in this game actually make a LOSS, not a profit. Trading as it is right now is completely BROKEN and DEAD.
you're either not very astute, or you're doing it wrong. my trade alt can make 100's of millions per day, depending on how much work I put in.
i think you just want an "i whine" button.
oh wait, you found that one. was it an "i win" button you wanted?
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rodensteiner
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Posted - 2009.05.20 14:05:00 -
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There exist no ships with bonuses that effect your profit margins, no matter what "profession" they're used for.
Ships get bonuses towards what they're intended for - scanning, speed, damage output, tanking, cargo capacity, etc.
People that mine use mining ship bonuses to help them profit by being able to mine quicker, more efficient, etc.
People that haul items use hauling ship bonuses to help them profit by being able to carry more items per run, etc.
People that mission use ship bonuses to help them destroy targets faster, etc.
People that go ratting use ship bonuses to help them destroy targets faster, etc.
What I'm getting at, is that no ships have bonuses that directly influence profits/income. So why should there be a shiptype that does give bonuses with a direct impact on that?
If you wanted your special trading ship that gives percent bonuses to your profit margin, whatever, then you'd have to give ships used for ratting and missioning percent bonuses to bounties collected, mining ships would get percent bonuses to how much their minerals/ores get sold for, hauling ships would get percent bonuses to what their goods get sold for, etc.
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Reyold Bengali
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.20 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Security
...the legend Delphi Grendalus.
For this alone I'm giving the post a 1/10.
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FlyinS
Caldari
Planetary Industry and Trade Organization
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Posted - 2009.05.20 14:20:00 -
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At first I was going to call this a fail troll but he's definitely roped in enough people to give it at least an 8/10.
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Jadetiger1
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Posted - 2009.05.20 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Jadetiger1 on 20/05/2009 14:22:09
Edited by: Jadetiger1 on 20/05/2009 14:21:44
I learned that there aren't many "Trader" how-to's and I imagine it is because everyone's level of trading is different. And if the top traders gave away their methods, then it would cut into there profits. I love it when the pirates try and take down my transports, haven't lost one yet, it gives excitement to an otherwise boring trade run. The simplest way to make ISK trading is buy low sell high and reduce your overhead (through training applicable skills), its that simple.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.20 14:42:00 -
[63]
ye buy high sell low... l2p nub
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.20 15:10:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Jita Security
Solution Part 1:
Combat pilots get ships with combat bonuses.
Exploration pilots get ships with exploration bonuses.
Traders get ships with? Nothing.
Give me ships with bonuses to trade skills or give me death.
I think you deserve the second. What comes next, a scammer asking for a ship with scamming bonus ? 
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TimMc
Gallente
Brutal Deliverance
Vort3x.
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Posted - 2009.05.20 15:16:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Jita Security
that would no doubt fix the entire EVE economy, are "b*****"
I ****ing lol'ed.
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Slave 2739FKZ
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Posted - 2009.05.20 15:36:00 -
[66]
the trolling is strong is this one!
1/10 for fun factor
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wowtard
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Posted - 2009.05.20 15:41:00 -
[67]
First I was going to say "poor trolling attempt," but then I saw this thing going on for the 3rd page.
*tips hat to OP*
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SocialPolice
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Posted - 2009.05.20 15:41:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Jita Security
Edited by: Jita Security on 20/05/2009 11:37:04
I knew I would be flammed by those of you who supposedly "make BILLIONS every second of every day". The fact is there is not one single person that consistently makes billions trading. You have a billion in incoming isk in your wallet but you more then likely have at LEAST 975M outgoing.
I sit in Jita ALL DAY attempting to trade and watching local. I've crunched the numbers and ran every forumla. It is near impossible to turn a profit trading in the current system. My changes would not only make trading a lot more fun but it would also open it up for new players to start making profits.
Thats the problem
I have this magical ship called a freighter, and there was an order for 200mil mins for 4.5 isk each, I saw three jumps from there a sell order of 200mil of the same min for 3.4 isk.
I went and bought, i went and filled the order, i made 200mil in about.. 30 minutes.
Tell me you can make money trading.
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THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.05.20 15:46:00 -
[69]
Solution part 1: Build me a ship with bonuses!
Solution part 2: REMOVE THAT SHIP ENTIRELY!
I see this one was thought through.
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Elias Modron
S.K. Astronautics
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Posted - 2009.05.20 15:49:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Elias Modron on 20/05/2009 15:48:59
Jita Security for CSM.
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Jita Security
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Posted - 2009.05.20 16:07:00 -
[71]
Originally by: SocialPolice
Thats the problem
I have this magical ship called a freighter, and there was an order for 200mil mins for 4.5 isk each, I saw three jumps from there a sell order of 200mil of the same min for 3.4 isk.
I went and bought, i went and filled the order, i made 200mil in about.. 30 minutes.
Tell me you can make money trading.
As a fellow officer of law-enforcement I would expect a far more truthful answer. It is not becoming of us to lie or bend the truth. How much did your frighter cost you exactly? How often does this magical profit that you made (which no one else is capable of) occur?
Thats what I thought. In order to turn even the slimest of profits in EVE you have to first train up skills in order to both trade and fly some of the biggest most expensive ships in the game. Then you have to spend hours and days combing the markets in many different regions.
When you eventually spot something you can make a profit on you have to fly a ship thats worth 5 times the potential profits in order to make "200mil in about.. 30 minutes." Even if you were not exagerating (which I am fairly sure you are, more like 50 million after expenses and 2 hours to make the jumps) the risk of flying around a billion isk frieghter for such low returns does not stack up when compared to the other professions of EVE!
If CCP wont give us TRADEships with bonuses to trade skills and profits, then at least give us TRADErigs with similar bonuses. Then we could fly any of the regular ships with their bonuses and trade would still be given a boost.
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SocialPolice
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Posted - 2009.05.20 16:12:00 -
[72]
Edited by: SocialPolice on 20/05/2009 16:15:34
Originally by: Jita Security
Originally by: SocialPolice
Thats the problem
I have this magical ship called a freighter, and there was an order for 200mil mins for 4.5 isk each, I saw three jumps from there a sell order of 200mil of the same min for 3.4 isk.
I went and bought, i went and filled the order, i made 200mil in about.. 30 minutes.
Tell me you can make money trading.
As a fellow officer of law-enforcement I would expect a far more truthful answer. It is not becoming of us to lie or bend the truth. How much did your frighter cost you exactly? How often does this magical profit that you made (which no one else is capable of) occur?
Thats what I thought. In order to turn even the slimest of profits in EVE you have to first train up skills in order to both trade and fly some of the biggest most expensive ships in the game. Then you have to spend hours and days combing the markets in many different regions.
When you eventually spot something you can make a profit on you have to fly a ship thats worth 5 times the potential profits in order to make "200mil in about.. 30 minutes." Even if you were not exagerating (which I am fairly sure you are, more like 50 million after expenses and 2 hours to make the jumps) the risk of flying around a billion isk frieghter for such low returns does not stack up when compared to the other professions of EVE!
If CCP wont give us TRADEships with bonuses to trade skills and profits, then at least give us TRADErigs with similar bonuses. Then we could fly any of the regular ships with their bonuses and trade would still be given a boost.
No truth bending, and a freighter costs about 800mil. They CANNOT die in highsec, you would need about 500 BS to suisicde themselves.
Regardless have i made my investment back on the freighter? Well since i use it to bring all supplies to our w-space openeings yes I have made my investment back on it, and while im bored, if you play the market and look at the buy and sell orders, you can make alot of isk. It takes time and patience, watching the trends and sometimes you get lucky and see a 1-isk per min increase in price, you might have to jump 3-15 jumps, but its possible.
Also put an alt in every hub, Rens/Jita/Agil, log in, see if there are any good returns for moving the items, and buy and sell. If there arent enough to fill a freighter a transport ship costs about 150mil fully rigged and fitted, you can stuff 10k of cargo in one with a crappy tank and be completely safe.
So there are ways to make isk, but you actually have to work.
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Jita Security
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Posted - 2009.05.20 16:23:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Jita Security on 20/05/2009 16:23:09
You say that you are not bending the truth yet only the other day an alliance came to me demanding something be done about the master criminal Delphi Grendalus who suicide ganked a fully tanked out frieghter of theirs in nothing more then an unrigged, T1 fitted Kestral. What chance would a 150 million isk industrial ship have against a bandit of that calibre?
No space is completely safe, especially while "she who will not be named" is on still subscribed.
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Isotope Joe
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Posted - 2009.05.20 16:42:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Jita Security
Edited by: Jita Security on 20/05/2009 16:23:09
You say that you are not bending the truth yet only the other day an alliance came to me demanding something be done about the master criminal Delphi Grendalus who suicide ganked a fully tanked out frieghter of theirs in nothing more then an unrigged, T1 fitted Kestral. What chance would a 150 million isk industrial ship have against a bandit of that calibre?
No space is completely safe, especially while "she who will not be named" is on still subscribed.
haha
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Emma Royd
Caldari
Maddled Gommerils
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Posted - 2009.05.20 17:15:00 -
[75]
Don't know whether to laugh or cry at this post
The IRL I'm a trader and make gazillions of USD per month thing, what has that got to do with eve, a science FICTION game?
How can a ship affect your profits? name me an example IRL of how a vehicle can affect your trading?
I fail to see what the OP is about apart from a troll, what realistic bonus would you expect to see for a ship, who pays for the profit margin in your trade frigate? Let me show you an example.
2 sell orders for an Invuln II in Jita IV-4
1 has 23 @ 2,376,961 isk
1 has 94 @ 2,971,201 because of an extra tax of 594,240 isk as the seller has trained up 'TraderFrig' to 5
so your argument for extra profit margins due to skills is fundamentally flawed.
Your solution #2 remove all haulers from the game???? wtf are you talking about??? how does a miner get stuff from the belt to the station, the combat / mission runner get his supplies from the market? you want teleportation brought in instead? get a grip man, why bother having ships if you can teleport stuff, if you can teleport exotic dancers then you can teleport a pod pilot, that would do away with sec-status issues, you could teleport your stuff from a nice safe 1.0 to your low sec home when you're -9.9 and not have to worry about getting WTFPWNBBQ'd by concorde
My little hauler can haul 3,000m3 and will hold 2km/s all day long with an align time of 5.4s so haulers aren't slow, it's a case of the right ship for the right job.
You want to make money from trading then train up skills, build up standing with the station owners and stop trolling in forums saying how unfair it is that there isn't a dedicated ship for traders.
It's not often I'm wrong, apart from the comments I make in the signature, and then I'm often wrong.
On the other hand maybe I'm getting confused.
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Maneeter
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Posted - 2009.05.20 17:15:00 -
[76]
More flaws in your terrible troll
You say in your original post
Originally by: Jita Security
the legend Delphi Grendalus
Yet in your other troll thread here you made two posts saying
Originally by: Jita Security
I do not approve of Delphi Grendalus being glorified in this way.
and
Originally by: Jita Security
Just a reminder. I am working together with a number of different alliances and corporations to put out an impromtu bounty on Delphi Grendalus. Any and all useful intel on her movements and where abouts will be rewarded.
I am sure that constantly spamming the forums with your poorly constructed trolls excites you in some weird and peverted way, however please refrain from ever posting again.
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JitaBum
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.05.20 17:17:00 -
[77]
Please stop falling for it ya bunch of bams
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Kuno Hida
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Posted - 2009.05.20 17:21:00 -
[78]
I'll bite. OP:
If you can provide your statistical data (since you said you ran it), then I'll give your complaint a second, maybe third look.
Give us numbers, not allegory.
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Elise Randolph
Foundation
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Posted - 2009.05.20 17:23:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Jita Security
Edited by: Jita Security on 20/05/2009 12:40:18
Just a little background for all you lame flamers and trolls:
IRL I am a successful barista (not blowing my own horn here but I make 7 mocha lattes an hour).
I own my own espresso machine and mainly deal with bookstore patrons. I KNOW what I am talking about, I KNOW all about the basic and advanced concepts behind making delicious blended coffee drinks and I KNOW for a fact that coffee-making in this game is 100% broken.
IRL we have all sorts of laws and independant[sic] bodies to monitor and control the quality of coffee beans which is why the world coffee supply is as stable and realiable[sic] as it is. However being devoid of these safe guards in EVE it seems to have allowed about 10-12 people to control the ENTIRE market and make it dance to their whims. The only one of which I have been able to identify is the self-styled "Queen of Brewing" Delphi Grendalus.
If you can't see that then I am afraid you don't know anything about making blended coffee drinks
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Sebastien Starstrider
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.20 17:24:00 -
[80]
You've commited a non-sequitor. However valid your argument may be in another argument, it does not follow the premise. Stating that the economy has failed, and the cause is that some ships need revision, is fallacious.
Please change the title of your topic =D
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2009.05.20 17:32:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Jita Security
Solution Part 1:
Combat pilots get ships with combat bonuses.
Exploration pilots get ships with exploration bonuses.
Traders get ships with? Nothing.
Give me ships with bonuses to trade skills or give me death. A frigate that increases profit margins by 5% per level. A tradecruiser that makes people pay 5% per level more then the price on the market. A tradeship with bonuses to lasers and shield resistances. Every other profession has more then one class of ship absolutely dedicated to their goals APART FROM TRADERS.
Solution Part 2:
Remove all haulers from the game. Allow traders to teleport goods from anywhere in the galaxy to anywhere else in the galaxy. Combat pilots and exploration pilots don't have to make 15+ jumps in the slowest ships (which are also the biggest targets) to accomplish their goals yet we traders get THE SHAFT once again.
Conclusion:
It is very difficult to make any kind of profit trading. Many turn to scamming in an effort to make a quick buck such as the legend Delphi Grendalus. More often then not traders in this game actually make a LOSS, not a profit. Trading as it is right now is completely BROKEN and DEAD.
Proof:
Watch local in a trade hub, how many legitimate trades do you see compared with scamming trades? If legitimate trading was actually profitable no one would be a scammer.
You already have ships with bonuses that directly benefit traders...they are called 'industrials' 'freighters' 'jump freighters' and 'transport ships'.
And you have skills..my god you have skills..that bump your profit margins directly.
Bad troll.. no troll biscuit..
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Originally by: "RedSplat"
You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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Mosquito Lee
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Posted - 2009.05.20 17:43:00 -
[82]
Lazy!
If the way to make business is easy, then I guarantee the market will broke.
The dificulties that make the market to sustain by itself.
If you have easy acess anywhere, you can¦t even try to have a decent profit from a build or trade.
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Korrakas
Caldari
Legion of Ascension
Beyond Ascension
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Posted - 2009.05.20 17:46:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Korrakas on 20/05/2009 17:46:14
Originally by: Jita Security
Edited by: Jita Security on 20/05/2009 11:37:04
I knew I would be flammed by those of you who supposedly "make BILLIONS every second of every day". The fact is there is not one single person that consistently makes billions trading. You have a billion in incoming isk in your wallet but you more then likely have at LEAST 975M outgoing.
I sit in Jita ALL DAY attempting to trade and watching local. I've crunched the numbers and ran every forumla. It is near impossible to turn a profit trading in the current system. My changes would not only make trading a lot more fun but it would also open it up for new players to start making profits.
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you make me laugh kid, you really do
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't have holidays.
I don't leave the forums unattended.
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
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Delphi Grandalus
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Posted - 2009.05.20 17:54:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Delphi Grandalus on 20/05/2009 17:55:50
Originally by: JitaBum
Please stop falling for it ya bunch of bams
You wouldn't happen to be from Scotland would you? I can't believe this is going to reach 4 pages when my Clear Skies Prequel troll only reached three. That was much funnier and better IMO and I put a lot more effort into it.
EDIT: Wrong character, ment to post this with Jita Security.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.20 18:55:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Jita Security
Edited by: Jita Security on 20/05/2009 11:37:04
I knew I would be flammed by those of you who supposedly "make BILLIONS every second of every day". The fact is there is not one single person that consistently makes billions trading. You have a billion in incoming isk in your wallet but you more then likely have at LEAST 975M outgoing.
I sit in Jita ALL DAY attempting to trade and watching local. I've crunched the numbers and ran every forumla. It is near impossible to turn a profit trading in the current system. My changes would not only make trading a lot more fun but it would also open it up for new players to start making profits.
Your in JITA you moron! The most overpopulated (mainly by traders) area of the Eve Universe! Most of the deals are already taken there unless you know exactly what to look for. Try the other trade hubs for a bit or moving stuff from one hub to the next where the prices are higher there! I'm not a trader and I've made a fair few million in a quick trip from Jita to Rens and visa versa - and thats with buying from sell orders and selling to the buy orders so all instant cash!
If your not making a profit your doing it wrong. Don't blame the system for that.
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Ryhss
Caldari
P'n'L Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.20 19:02:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Lork Niffle
BAAAWWWW, di someone undercut you by 0.1.
Call the WAAAAAAAAAmbulance.
Seriously grow up and learn that thats what real life is like.
Um.....real life?! Eve is a game last I checked, not real life.
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FlyinS
Caldari
Planetary Industry and Trade Organization
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Posted - 2009.05.20 19:13:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Delphi Grandalus
Edited by: Delphi Grandalus on 20/05/2009 17:55:50
Originally by: JitaBum
Please stop falling for it ya bunch of bams
You wouldn't happen to be from Scotland would you? I can't believe this is going to reach 4 pages when my Clear Skies Prequel troll only reached three. That was much funnier and better IMO and I put a lot more effort into it.
EDIT: Wrong character, ment to post this with Jita Security.
It's amazing that people are still falling for such an obvious troll too. This post is up to 9/10. Good work.
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Octavionus
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Posted - 2009.05.20 19:41:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Jita Security
Edited by: Jita Security on 20/05/2009 12:40:18
Just a little background for all you lame flamers and trolls:
IRL I am a successful day trader (not blowing my own horn here but I make 7 figure sums in USD a quater).
I own my own brokerage firm and mainly deal with stocks relating to ship builders and other naval industries. I KNOW what I am talking about, I KNOW all about the basic and advanced concepts behind trading and I KNOW for a fact that trading in this game is 100% broken.
IRL we have all sorts of laws and independant bodies to monitor and control the market which is why the world economy is as stable and realiable as it is. However being devoid of these safe guards in EVE it seems to have allowed about 10-12 people to control the ENTIRE market and make it dance to their whims. The only one of which I have been able to identify is the self-styled "Queen of Scams" Delphi Grendalus.
My solutions would not only free the market from the clutches of these shadowy 12 figures (lets just call them, MJ-12 or Market Judicators-12) but also allow it to slip and flow organically. It should be plainly obvious to everyone that everything being controlled in this way puts way too much power into the hands of only a few and is bad for the game, overall.
If you can't see that then I am afraid you don't know anything about trading, the market or EVE in general.
I'm sorry did you say today's markets are stable??!?!?! have you been living in a hole the last 2 years. Also, if you spend all day online trading in eve, how the hell are you successful daytrader. I call bull****.
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Sibane
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Posted - 2009.05.20 20:19:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Sibane on 20/05/2009 20:20:36
Originally by: Jita Security
Solution Part 1:
Combat pilots get ships with combat bonuses.
Exploration pilots get ships with exploration bonuses.
Traders get ships with? Nothing.
Give me ships with bonuses to trade skills or give me death. A frigate that increases profit margins by 5% per level. A tradecruiser that makes people pay 5% per level more then the price on the market. A tradeship with bonuses to lasers and shield resistances. Every other profession has more then one class of ship absolutely dedicated to their goals APART FROM TRADERS.
Solution Part 2:
Remove all haulers from the game. Allow traders to teleport goods from anywhere in the galaxy to anywhere else in the galaxy. Combat pilots and exploration pilots don't have to make 15+ jumps in the slowest ships (which are also the biggest targets) to accomplish their goals yet we traders get THE SHAFT once again.
Conclusion:
It is very difficult to make any kind of profit trading. Many turn to scamming in an effort to make a quick buck such as the legend Delphi Grendalus. More often then not traders in this game actually make a LOSS, not a profit. Trading as it is right now is completely BROKEN and DEAD.
Proof:
Watch local in a trade hub, how many legitimate trades do you see compared with scamming trades? If legitimate trading was actually profitable no one would be a scammer.
I pretty much stopped reading that section of the forums but damn ...it has to be said
Your post is such a ****ing load of ****
i'll give you death allright you moron
EDIT: trolled it appears .. well done Sir, well done !
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.05.20 20:44:00 -
[90]
I have the trolls, I mean OP's solution:
Ship Type: Ice Cream Truck
Ship has a 1,000,000m Cargo Bay
Top speed is 100km
Shield = 600 0% resist
Armor = 400 0% resist
Hull = 200 0% resist
Ability to setup outside a station and have your orders listed at that station without paying broker fees or sales tax.
***Ship can only be used in .4 and below sec status systems***
Pick Three:
Caldari/PVP/Solo/Success |
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Jobby
Minmatar
UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.05.20 20:59:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor
Quite poor trolling attempt.
2/10 given for the amusement factor.
Nah, 1/10 if anything.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.21 07:01:00 -
[92]
Too bad you cant war dec alts.
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Kaaii
Caldari
KaaiiNet Holding Executor Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.21 07:43:00 -
[93]
who?
According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there.
kieron
Director of Community Relations,
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Josson Turtur
Gallente
Trader's Academy
Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2009.05.21 08:06:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Jita Security
Remove all haulers from the game. Allow traders to teleport goods from anywhere in the galaxy to anywhere else in the galaxy.
That's when I stopped reading the post.
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Miner, Trader, Space Cowboy
Josson Turtur |
Killer Gandry
Caldari
Red Horizon Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.21 08:23:00 -
[95]
I must be doing something wrong then.
I don't have high tradingskills yet I make profit in buying and reselling goods.
You are right, this can't be right. How the hell can it be that a character with crap tradeskills can make a profit trading and a professional trader can't?
Ow wait, might be I actually know what I am doing and after all it ain't skill related but actually knowing game dynamics and playerbase.
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Jita Security
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Posted - 2009.05.21 08:44:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Jobby
Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor
Quite poor trolling attempt.
2/10 given for the amusement factor.
Nah, 1/10 if anything.
I thought it was quite good. My most successful one yet but by no means my favourite. People just don't realise how difficult trolling actually is. I put a lot of thought, effort and time into attempting to entertain hundreds, if not thousands of people.
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Justamere Gunner
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Posted - 2009.05.21 08:44:00 -
[97]
Why are you so stupid?
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Hyperforce99
Gallente
Infinite Covenant
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.21 09:07:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Jita Security
Solution Part 1:
Many turn to scamming in an effort to make a quick buck such as the legend Delphi Grendalus.
Are you by any chance an alt of this guy? : Lord Gary
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Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/ |
F90OEX
F9X
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.05.21 10:36:00 -
[99]
Trading is broken alright 
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FlyinS
Caldari
Planetary Industry and Trade Organization
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Posted - 2009.05.21 15:04:00 -
[100]
*facepalm*
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Wacktopia
Infinity Miners Union
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2009.05.21 15:14:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Jita Security
A frigate that increases profit margins by 5% per level
I think you are missing the point of ship bonuses and how they work. How on earth would this work? Just by carrying stuffs on your "magic profit frigate" you would get better money for goods?
Originally by: Jita Security
Remove all haulers from the game. Allow traders to teleport goods from anywhere in the galaxy to anywhere else in the galaxy.
I cant beleive this one. The logistics of EVE make it one of the best games for economy, trading and stockpiling etc. I hate looking back at games I've played where owning an item makes it available in any bank (aka "station") in the game. Teleporting goods would remove this amazing mechanic. Also, if you could teleport goods then what would be the blinking point of star-gating players around.
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.05.21 15:16:00 -
[102]
Delphi Grendalus's main found
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Skaggz
Hooride Raiders
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Posted - 2009.05.21 15:20:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Captain Pompous
Delphi Grendalus's main found
This is rather interesting as well. Character Bazaar transfer
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.05.21 15:26:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Skaggz
Originally by: Captain Pompous
Delphi Grendalus's main found
This is rather interesting as well. Character Bazaar transfer
Good find Captain. ;)
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TimMc
Gallente
Brutal Deliverance
Vort3x.
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Posted - 2009.05.21 15:31:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Too bad you cant war dec alts.
Can't wardec people who never undock either.
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Jita Security
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Posted - 2009.05.21 15:35:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Jita Security on 21/05/2009 15:36:30
Lets try and keep this on topic please. Delphi Grendalus is my main, I really have only been playing for about a month now. A few weeks back I bought a character called Silencering because I wanted to see what nullsec was like, evemail me in game and just ask and I would have told you as much. I also have numerous scammer alts that I use to scam the main trade hubs, again check their bios and it will tell you Delphi is the main (of those that are not recycled yet).
This other person that I have been accused of being is just one in a long list of people I supposedly am but that doesn't change the facts.
Also I do undock very often as it happens, you can find me traveling between Jita and Dodixie these days.
Now I appreciate all the thinking you have all put towards the subject of me but lets just stay on topic shall we?
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.05.21 15:37:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Jita Security
Edited by: Jita Security on 21/05/2009 15:36:30
Lets try and keep this on topic please. Delphi Grendalus is my main, I really have only been playing for about a month now. A few weeks back I bought a character called Silencering because I wanted to see what nullsec was like, evemail me in game and just ask and I would have told you as much. I also have numerous scammer alts that I use to scam the main trade hubs, again check their bios and it will tell you Delphi is the main (of those that are not recycled yet).
This other person that I have been accused of being is just one in a long list of people I supposedly am but that doesn't change the facts.
Also I do undock very often as it happens, you can find me traveling between Jita and Dodixie these days.
Now I appreciate all the thinking you have all put towards the subject of me but lets just stay on topic shall we?
No. Discussing your myriad collection of characters is far more interesting than your ******ed OP.
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Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2009.05.21 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Security
I sit in Jita ALL DAY attempting to trade and watching local.
You poor thing. 
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Posted - 2009.05.21 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Pompous
Originally by: Jita Security
Edited by: Jita Security on 21/05/2009 15:36:30
Lets try and keep this on topic please. Delphi Grendalus is my main, I really have only been playing for about a month now. A few weeks back I bought a character called Silencering because I wanted to see what nullsec was like, evemail me in game and just ask and I would have told you as much. I also have numerous scammer alts that I use to scam the main trade hubs, again check their bios and it will tell you Delphi is the main (of those that are not recycled yet).
This other person that I have been accused of being is just one in a long list of people I supposedly am but that doesn't change the facts.
Also I do undock very often as it happens, you can find me traveling between Jita and Dodixie these days.
Now I appreciate all the thinking you have all put towards the subject of me but lets just stay on topic shall we?
No. Discussing your myriad collection of characters is far more interesting than your ******ed OP.
Of course talking about me is more interesting, most people consider it more interesting then getting laid or life itself but thats not what the topic is about.
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.05.21 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Security
Of course talking about me is more interesting, most people consider it more interesting then getting laid or life itself but thats not what the topic is about.
Regardless fella, finding your main and wardeccing them would, I'm sure, interest a great more many people.
This topic now has a new OP. 
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Jita Security
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Posted - 2009.05.21 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Pompous
Originally by: Jita Security
Of course talking about me is more interesting, most people consider it more interesting then getting laid or life itself but thats not what the topic is about.
Regardless fella, finding your main and wardeccing them would, I'm sure, interest a great more many people.
This topic now has a new OP.
My main is Delphi Grendalus, permanent and proud SWArtan. The character I bought is Silencering who as I said, is in nullsec. All other scammer alts never undock.
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Taint
Caldari
untaught
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Posted - 2009.05.21 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Security
[b]Solution Part 1.
give me death.
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The PieMaker
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Posted - 2009.05.21 16:22:00 -
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This thread is full of fail and aids
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Killer Gandry
Caldari
Red Horizon Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.21 20:34:00 -
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In this thread you whine about the fact you don't have a clue as how to make ISK by trading.
In another thread you whine because you don't have a Concord PWN-Mobile.
Let's just face it. You are looking for an I-Win button without having to really play the game.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.05.21 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Security
Edited by: Jita Security on 20/05/2009 12:40:18
Just a little background for all you lame flamers and trolls:
IRL I am a successful day trader (not blowing my own horn here but I make 7 figure sums in USD a quater).
I own my own brokerage firm and mainly deal with stocks relating to ship builders and other naval industries. I KNOW what I am talking about, I KNOW all about the basic and advanced concepts behind trading and I KNOW for a fact that trading in this game is 100% broken.
Mr Madoff,
Does the warden know what you're doing with your computer privileges?
In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.21 21:15:00 -
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Let's increase the broker fee to 10%.
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.21 21:17:00 -
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Edited by: Intense Thinker on 21/05/2009 21:19:12
ummm... trading is fine ty, it merely requires a brain
Originally by: Jita Security
Edited by: Jita Security on 20/05/2009 12:40:18
Just a little background for all you lame flamers and trolls:
IRL I am a successful day trader (not blowing my own horn here but I make 7 figure sums in USD a quater).
I own my own brokerage firm and mainly deal with stocks relating to ship builders and other naval industries. I KNOW what I am talking about, I KNOW all about the basic and advanced concepts behind trading and I KNOW for a fact that trading in this game is 100% broken.
I'm a full time college student and in Eve I turn over an 8 figure income every 2 weeks through trading on my carebear alt, trading in Eve is 100% fine the way it is and you're 100% lying your sorry ass off
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Foulque
Divine Retribution
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.05.23 12:14:00 -
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Terrile troll, if not a whole new brand of ******.
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Kezzle
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Posted - 2009.05.23 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Security
Solution Part 1:
Combat pilots get ships with combat bonuses.
Exploration pilots get ships with exploration bonuses.
Traders get ships with? Nothing.
Capacity bonuses. Speed bonuses.
Quote:
Give me ships with bonuses to trade skills or give me death. A frigate that increases profit margins by 5% per level.
You're funny. Make the funny man squirm again daddy.
Solution Part 2:
Remove all haulers from the game. Allow traders to teleport goods from anywhere in the galaxy to anywhere else in the galaxy. Combat pilots and exploration pilots don't have to make 15+ jumps in the slowest ships...
So use a faster ship. Exploration pilots have to make lots of jumps and sit about waiting for scan results.
Quote:
Conclusion:
It is very difficult to make any kind of profit trading.
Just because you're rubbish at it doesn't mean it's difficult.
Quote:
Proof:
Watch local in a trade hub, how many legitimate trades do you see compared with scamming trades? If legitimate trading was actually profitable no one would be a scammer.
You call that proof? That one inefficient trading tool is flooded by lackwits? Hardly a surprise then that you're finding it hard to turn an honest ISK.
My conclusion: you are either stupid or a troll.
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Trader20
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Posted - 2009.05.23 13:42:00 -
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Maybe you should try trading in a less competitive system
(not jita).
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WormSwarm
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Posted - 2009.05.23 14:44:00 -
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WTS Trader Secrets,
Contact me ingame, and i'll give you basic tips. If you lose money trading, then clearly your doing it wrong.
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Lochmar Fiendhiem
Caldari
International Multi-Player Consortium
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Posted - 2009.05.23 16:20:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Jita Security
Solution Part 1:
Combat pilots get ships with combat bonuses.
Exploration pilots get ships with exploration bonuses.
Traders get ships with? Nothing.
Give me ships with bonuses to trade skills or give me death. A frigate that increases profit margins by 5% per level. A tradecruiser that makes people pay 5% per level more then the price on the market. A tradeship with bonuses to lasers and shield resistances. Every other profession has more then one class of ship absolutely dedicated to their goals APART FROM TRADERS.
Solution Part 2:
Remove all haulers from the game. Allow traders to teleport goods from anywhere in the galaxy to anywhere else in the galaxy. Combat pilots and exploration pilots don't have to make 15+ jumps in the slowest ships (which are also the biggest targets) to accomplish their goals yet we traders get THE SHAFT once again.
Conclusion:
It is very difficult to make any kind of profit trading. Many turn to scamming in an effort to make a quick buck such as the legend Delphi Grendalus. More often then not traders in this game actually make a LOSS, not a profit. Trading as it is right now is completely BROKEN and DEAD.
Proof:
Watch local in a trade hub, how many legitimate trades do you see compared with scamming trades? If legitimate trading was actually profitable no one would be a scammer.
really? really?
So your flying this "scam cruiser", i buy something from you off the market listed at say 1mil, now you have the scam crusier skill to level 5 and although the price is listed at 1mil I end up paying 1.25mil? riiiiiiight.
a frigate that adds 25% to profit margin... so your flying this and i bought an item for 1mil but yu end up with 1.25mil even though my wallet only lost 1mil... yea i don't see this being exploited at all by anyone with an alt.
Remove all haulers from the game? Good luck getting your minerals* out of the belts.
*just incase you were unaware, items in game have to be built by someone, who has to mine or purchase minerals or ore off the market (hopefully the seller isn't flying a scam cruiser). Those minerals are not "magically teleported" to where ever you want them.
trading DOES have horrible profiting. Thats why a lot of traders also are builders or work with a CORP so they are selling what others build. Maybe they also have other skills that they can't max out in 3 months as well like mining, or combat skills for mission running. Building your equipment to trade, while more time consuming it is more profitable.
scamming is just an idiot tax. Just seems like we have a lot of idiots who have not learned yet.
Don't make enough money as a trader... maybe, uh, do something else?
Unlike World of homosexualcraft this game IS a harsh world and you HAVE to adapt or go play hello kitty fantasy island.
Originally by: Halkin
bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
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Lochmar Fiendhiem
Caldari
International Multi-Player Consortium
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Posted - 2009.05.23 16:29:00 -
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ok i'll give it another go.
All other professions revolve around ways to get/make money. (mining, scamming, missions, pvp, exploration, etc)
trading however revolves around making your money grow.
Trading in eve requires you to go big (shipping garbage or fertilizer all over the universe in a freighter, or if your risky, bringing booze and drugs to/from npc 0.0).
Now once you go big, people tend to notice and take note. So you need escort for your freighter, which means you need a corp. Which means wardec, then you need more security, then you got more mouths to feed so you need to scale up your operation more, get more traders, then you need multiple escorts.
You expect massive profits from trade, you need to have the infrastructure in place.
Unlike real life you do not have a real stock market and the prices are not decided by anything like the price of oil and the us dollar. Eve is free in that anyone can start small in trade and could potentially build up to the point where they need a massive operation to control everything. Unlike real life where a dozen oil companies create wars, etc.
Originally by: Halkin
bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
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Great Artista
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.23 16:32:00 -
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Quote:
Solution Part 1: Combat pilots get ships with combat bonuses.
I got this far and just started laughing uncontrollably. Good thread.
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Procopius
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Posted - 2009.05.23 17:00:00 -
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Like others have said, what spammers in particular need is an ISK seller/scammer spam bonus bs. This ship would increase spam rep %5 and 2 extra spam lines per rep. The T1 Flooder would have 6 mids for fitting Caldari racial spam mods that are bonused in their sovereign systems. Its T2 version the Crasher can be a Heavy Interdictor sort of class in terms of chat/trade that have a 99% CPU reduction in mods that launch a chat/trade killing spam bubble, enabling the spammer to operate simultaneously in all stations within a 6 system radius.
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Heavy Influence
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.23 17:03:00 -
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This is quite possibly the most obvious troll I've ever seen...
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.05.23 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Penguin
This is quite possibly the most obvious troll I've ever seen...
That's no troll... it's a carebear!
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Lunewraith
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.05.23 17:35:00 -
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Glad the OP didn't post this drivel to Market Discussions.
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Troyd23
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Posted - 2009.05.24 05:46:00 -
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Just had to log in.... to do this.
LOL @ OP. 1/10
I make about 1bil every week just trading in empire.
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