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DNSBLACK
Gallente
Dirt Nap Squad
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Posted - 2009.05.21 23:19:00 -
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deva,
iam not saying it isnt doable and iam not debating that nor am I arguing dictor tactics. You rabbled about jumping in 200km off ( dictor still has to warp in and drop bubble????) then firing bubble on fleet then DD. The entir senerio made no sense. If they were using a titan in this case then why wouldnt they use a regular cyno and bridge. When you are on grib both cynos appear so no sneaky tactics. If they have a titan that can bidge wouldnt it make sense using that instead of BO. You even pointed out that it can be done with a kestrel.
So i have to asume you mean that the dictor if it could be BO bridge would be dropped right in the middle of the fleet then shot his bubble and then die. Now i could see this tactic being used with a regular cyno and BO bridging, but not a cov cyno. This tactic would work with new changes to regular cynos and not allowing them to be locked. A simple fix for this is not allowing BO bridges to be made with regular cynos.
O well we could go round and round on this but asking for a dictor to be able to be bridged to a cov cyno using a BO bridge would not be all that bad and would make for some fun. Honestly I cant hold them all before we kill them is my frustration. My arazu only has 3 points on it and we lose alot of ships cause they just warp out. I was just looking for a way to use dictors in BO gangs that is all. deva if you like to jion us on some BO hot drops and see how it could be used let me know in game would love to bring you along.
I would also like to chat with you some time about regular dictor work and your tactics and set ups if you are willing to teach my up and coming dictor pilots and my ****ed off vets after the speed patch. i will send you a mail with our coms and we can chat. i will try convoing you tonight.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2009.05.22 00:04:00 -
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 Originally by: DNSBLACK
deva,
iam not saying it isnt doable and iam not debating that nor am I arguing dictor tactics. You rabbled about jumping in 200km off ( dictor still has to warp in and drop bubble????) then firing bubble on fleet then DD. The entir senerio made no sense. If they were using a titan in this case then why wouldnt they use a regular cyno and bridge. When you are on grib both cynos appear so no sneaky tactics.
I think you dont understand this:
1. cyno jammed system, titans anywhere in system. To efficiently kill enemy you need to bubble him
2. to bubble enemy you need dictor. Currently ONLY way of getting dictor on enemy is warping it on their heads or MWDing it along the grid. Number 2 = dictor should die to support. Number 1 = aligned fleet warps before bubble is opened (as soon as they see dictor on them). Time to react is about 5 seconds (thats more-less the time you see dictor on grid before it stops the warp and can launch bubble)
2a. allowing dictors to cyno to recon cynos means: you get covops on enemy fleet (be it 5km from fleet, its not hard). Then you open cyno, bridge dictors, start bubbling. It is much faster than warping dictor to enemy fleet and you have mych less chance of reacting to it. With good operators it takes around 2-3 seconds. you can spam bubble button before you load grid, half of the time it will work.
Thats why recon cyno > normal cyno. You can do cyno traps inside your own jammed system that has already titans inside. Another point: enemy never knows if/how many dictors you have and if he is planning to WTFPWN your caps/supercaps.
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My arazu only has 3 points on it and we lose alot of ships cause they just warp out. I was just looking for a way to use dictors in BO gangs that is all. deva if you like to jion us on some BO hot drops and see how it could be used let me know in game would love to bring you along.
I know how they can be used. its not like i havent seen BE drop blackops on us (hi SATAN!). Nor it doesnt differ too much from regular carrier hotdrop/titan portal (except you can do this in jammed system wheras titan cant).
If ya want to talk more bout dictors just convo/mail me in game.
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Mike C
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.05.22 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Rajere
Originally by: Mike C
Pretty much every ship that can go through a BOBS portal, including the BOBS itself, is made of tissue paper.
lol. You've obviously never flown any of these ships, except maybe a stealth bomber.
Ironically I haven't flown a manticore since february 19 2007 (around there)...
The rest I have flown in the past week (helios, widow)
Yes I know you don't fit a tank on a widow, I was just saying how it can permatank better...
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Originally by: Mike C
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Azran Zala
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Posted - 2009.05.22 02:12:00 -
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No.... use a rapier like everyone else.
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Andreya
Direct Intent
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Posted - 2009.05.25 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
No, no and no. Light Dictors don't need more power.
--Isaac
no more power, they need more speed. dictors main defense was speed, then zulupark got mad at them for some reason . gave them ALL a 25% speed nerf, which slowed them more than nano cruisers at the time (even nano thorax) .. even after universal speed nerf, they are still too slow to even come close of running away from a cruiser.
give em speed, and or sig rad reduction bonus. we dont need guns. just a way so we dont die EVERYTIME...
or yes a covert dictor would be sexy too :P
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Star's Dust Industrie
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Posted - 2009.05.25 07:41:00 -
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Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 25/05/2009 07:42:14
- no covop cloaks for dictors
- some jump harmonics would be fine
After all, if you want to bubble your own paperthin tank fleet, that is your problem.
Fetchez la vache !
moar(tm) < soon(tm) :(
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