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Tweakalvos Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.05.20 15:40:00 - [1] I have an idea that would make Black Ops warfare a bit more viable and make the regular dictor. Have a new role and be the last of the bridging ships with the black ops that are t2 varients. Because atm when wanting to brigde your gang with you and you need that dictor it cannot come with. It is stuck where it was placed. It wont be able to warp cloaked but move with a speed bonus while cloaked. This would no be over powered as seeing as it is what is standard practice anyways to have a dictor with cloak the hictor would still have its blob warfare role. Some feed back would be nice. Because anymore the regular dictor is really the small gang bubbler.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.05.20 15:57:00 - [2] What the crap is with the Cloak era? Seriously, what next? "My assault frigate cannot fill its role properly, giev it covops cloak plzthxbai" ___________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 ^Third Times a Charm^
Isaac Starstriker Amarr Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.05.20 16:20:00 - [3] No, no and no. Light Dictors don't need more power. --Isaac Isaac's Haul*Mart - Closed
DNSBLACK Gallente Dirt Nap Squad	Posted - 2009.05.20 16:23:00 - [4] Edited by: DNSBLACK on 20/05/2009 16:24:15 Blane, Not to be a male member but honestly get your head out of your arsh and re-read what he wants. 1. You can cloak a dictor now. 2. He stated that he didnt want a cov cloak or the ability to warp cloaked. 3. He did ask for a dictor style ship to have the ability to us the Black Ops bridged. If you need to have the BO bridge explain please let me know I will educate you. 4. The cloak era has always been with us get over it. 5. As for the suggestion I would love to have the ability to BO bridge in a dictor. I would also like to be able to bridge in the recon class of ships force and combat. Again sorry to such a smart ass but please read what he is asking for beofre you respond. Some times we read something that isnt there.
Katarlia Simov Minmatar Cowboys From Hell	Posted - 2009.05.20 16:32:00 - [5] I can't imagine why you would want to drop a dictor through the portal. If you bubble the targets and they turn out to be bait, your bombers and recons die like crazy.
Pian Shu Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Quantum Star Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.20 16:56:00 - [6] Just because you can fit a cloak on it doesn't make it a black ops ship. I can't get anything that will siege a POS through my black ops jump portal either, should I allow all battleships through? There's a tradeoff for having a black ops gang which is that you can only take black ops stuff with you. An interdictor is a conventional fleet support ship. I've seen plenty of successful black ops using stealth bombers and myriad e-war recon ships; nobody else seems to have a problem with getting kills that way. A couple of Arazus with long-range points aren't enough for you?
Darkerz Reloaded Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.20 17:44:00 - [7] Originally by: Blane Xero My assault frigate cannot fill its role properly, giev it covops cloak plzthxbai
Mike C Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.05.20 18:15:00 - [8] Pretty much every ship that can go through a BOBS portal, including the BOBS itself, is made of tissue paper. This is also true with the dictor. Simply allow Dictors (NOT HICTORS, NO NO ON HICTORS) to go through a BOBS portal. Not asking for a cov ops cloak here, just jumpharmonics 2. Being able to get the drop on a cap fleet / mom / titan INSIDE cyno jammed systems almost instantly is simply YES. __________________________________________________ Originally by: Mike C Trolls - We keep Humanity alive... and kicking...
Tandin The Knights Templar Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.20 18:33:00 - [9] Originally by: Mike C Pretty much every ship that can go through a BOBS portal, including the BOBS itself, is made of tissue paper. You have obviously never flown a tanked pilgrim. Up close, personal, and a hell of a lot of fun. "Boo hoo. Cry some more." CCP Whisper "There's no such thing as too much of a deathtrap. Y'all obviously need more deathtraps." CCP Prism X
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2009.05.20 18:49:00 - [10] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 20/05/2009 18:56:17 I TOO WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO BRIDGE AND CLOAK ALL MY SHIPS. No. And you used wrong subforum too: features and new ideas discussion is one floor up. EDIT: yeah i know what the OP is up too. Warp covert ops to enemy gang 200km away, open recon cyno, ditors jump in bubble fleet, DD, kkthxbye. Next time try to use some skill and WARP the dictor instead of hiding the "i want my DDs to come off easier" under the "new gameplay improvement". I know the idea of placing dictor with covops in same squad is too hard for some people but ffs, you really should use some player skill in this game instead of asking CCP for "new and improved ideas" for stuff that works. Blackops warfare (recons, bombers, transports, BOps) is for prolonged stay behind enemy lines. Dictors arent needed for harassing ops neither you dont have to cyno em via blackops. They are too good already. The ONLY change that could be applied to dictor is either reversing old 25% speed reduction (read: speed em up by 33%) or some sig reduction (into the 50-60ish sig area).
Mike C Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.05.20 19:30:00 - [11] Edited by: Mike C on 20/05/2009 19:31:15 Originally by: Tandin Originally by: Mike C Pretty much every ship that can go through a BOBS portal, including the BOBS itself, is made of tissue paper. You have obviously never flown a tanked pilgrim. Up close, personal, and a hell of a lot of fun. Nope. I have flown a tanked widow (permatanks 100 dps higher then pilgrim with shield) tho, and its effective hp wasn't that impressive... EDIT: by "Pilgrim with shield" I meant that the widow tanking shield permatanks 100 dps more then an armortanking pilgrim. Gotta reload the cruise, but hey, its range is absurd :) __________________________________________________ Originally by: Mike C Trolls - We keep Humanity alive... and kicking...
Rajere No Trademark	Posted - 2009.05.20 21:58:00 - [12] Originally by: Mike C Pretty much every ship that can go through a BOBS portal, including the BOBS itself, is made of tissue paper. lol. You've obviously never flown any of these ships, except maybe a stealth bomber. The opinions expressed in my posts do represent my corp -------------------------- NOTR
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.05.21 00:54:00 - [13] Originally by: DNSBLACK Edited by: DNSBLACK on 20/05/2009 16:28:30 Edited by: DNSBLACK on 20/05/2009 16:27:45 Blane, Not to be a male member but honestly get your head out of your arsh and re-read what he wants. 1. You can cloak a dictor now. 2. He stated that he didnt want a cov cloak or the ability to warp cloaked. 3. He did ask for a dictor style ship to have the ability to us the Black Ops bridged. If you need to have the BO bridge explain please let me know I will educate you. 4. The cloak era has always been with us get over it. 5. As for the suggestion I would love to have the ability to BO bridge in a dictor. I would also like to be able to bridge in the recon class of ships force and combat. Again sorry to be such a smart ass but please read what he is asking for beofre you respond. Some times we read something that isnt there. I understand why you miss read his request his title is off and that could cause you to think he wanted a cov op dictor. But the body of his request is no where near the title. Regarding 1; Yes you can. Regarding 2; It wont be able to warp cloaked but move with a speed bonus while cloaked (Bolded is what provoked my post) Regarding 3; Blackops Pilot checking in. Regarding 4; Technically speaking the Covops Era has only been around roughly since CCP first started looking at bombers (Circa Revelations?) and the introduced Blackops. Regarding 5; I myself would love to see this (honestly rather pathetic) hindrance against black ops removed aswell. I understand it from a back story perspective, but while that's all fine on paper, and i understand the need to limit how big a gang you could bridge, the limitation should be broadened and instead of having an "Only [...] ships can" clause make it a "Only [...] ships cannot" one. At the end of the day he is asking for a class of ship with no relations to cloaking to receive a cloaking bonus of some sort. My argument about the AF's was in contrast to this, seeing as it is in a much worse position usefulness wise, and has about the same relation to cloaking as a dictor does technology wise. Also dont worry about being a member, this is the Eve-O forums ___________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 ^Third Times a Charm^
Sigras	Posted - 2009.05.21 01:32:00 - [14] The main question i suppose is what is the role for the light dictor now? several ideas have been suggested but this and the cloak detector dictor seem to be the most popular. The main point isnt that we need another cloaking ship, its that we need something to do with the now severely less useful light dictor.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.05.21 01:40:00 - [15] Originally by: Sigras The main question i suppose is what is the role for the light dictor now? several ideas have been suggested but this and the cloak detector dictor seem to be the most popular. The main point isnt that we need another cloaking ship, its that we need something to do with the now severely less useful light dictor. Light dictors are infinitely more useful in fleet fights for pinning down large portions of the enemies fleet. HICtors do not have this agility as they can only have one bubble up at a time (No kidding ) and they need to stay put where they want the bubble to be. Normal dictors have neither of these small setbacks and with skills can have two bubbles up at any time. ___________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 ^Third Times a Charm^
Tweakalvos Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.05.21 03:32:00 - [16] Yeah what I meant seeing as how I know an Arazu and Proteus subbed right and fitted can do long range scramble. But putting them as a role oriented. If you have ever been on a recon op its kinda a pain in the arse when you have no dictor to bridge with the rest of the fleet. And you dont have time to put a mobile bubble up. Plus adding the speed movement would make it very viable in fleet fights as well. Sorry if I can't project my thoughts correctly. But DNS put what im talking about down. Good ole black ops guys those boys are!!
Shade Millith International House of PWNCakes Aggression.	Posted - 2009.05.21 08:23:00 - [17] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Sigras The main question i suppose is what is the role for the light dictor now? several ideas have been suggested but this and the cloak detector dictor seem to be the most popular. The main point isnt that we need another cloaking ship, its that we need something to do with the now severely less useful light dictor. Light dictors are infinitely more useful in fleet fights for pinning down large portions of the enemies fleet. HICtors do not have this agility as they can only have one bubble up at a time (No kidding ) and they need to stay put where they want the bubble to be. Normal dictors have neither of these small setbacks and with skills can have two bubbles up at any time. Not to mention when the HIC dies, so does his bubble. A DIC's bubble will remain --------------------------------------------
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.05.21 08:29:00 - [18] Originally by: Shade Millith A DIC's bubble will remain .... Yeah I didn't totally miss interpret that wrong at all first time. ___________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 ^Third Times a Charm^
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2009.05.21 10:21:00 - [19] Originally by: Tweakalvos Yeah what I meant seeing as how I know an Arazu and Proteus subbed right and fitted can do long range scramble. But putting them as a role oriented. If you have ever been on a recon op its kinda a pain in the arse when you have no dictor to bridge with the rest of the fleet. And you dont have time to put a mobile bubble up. Plus adding the speed movement would make it very viable in fleet fights as well. Sorry if I can't project my thoughts correctly. But DNS put what im talking about down. Good ole black ops guys those boys are!! As it is now dictors have one overpowered role (interdiction) which is balanced a bit thanks to their low survivalability ratios and problems with approaching target. You can either MWD to it or wap on it using covops. In both cases there is COUNTER: when enemy sees warping dictor, they can warp out. When they see MWDing dictor they can shoot it down. What you proposing is counter-less mechanic of delivering dictors right on enemy fleet. Opening recon cyno + bridging dictor (if it was possible) and launching bubble takes 4-5 seconds (lag dependant), can be done under your own cyno jammer (yay for defender?) whilst your DDs are already waiting. And has absolutely no counter. So where is the "balance" part in your idea? Maybe: dictor bubble dies as soon as dictor dies? Or make dictor probes session change dependant (no bubbs before sesion change ends)?
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.05.21 12:50:00 - [20] If you really have to boost (light) Interdictors, give them Interdiction Sphere Immunity. That would increase their survivability after launching the bubble with a window to pin it down before it warps off while keeping the deployment of the bubble at the same difficulty level as it is now. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2009.05.21 13:12:00 - [21] Originally by: Abrazzar If you really have to boost (light) Interdictors, give them Interdiction Sphere Immunity. That would increase their survivability after launching the bubble with a window to pin it down before it warps off while keeping the deployment of the bubble at the same difficulty level as it is now. No. Too good. Also you are entering the loop i called in before. Give ONE ship interdiction sphere immunity (t3 in this case) and suddenly ppl will want same thing on everything else. You can move out of your own bubble without bigger problems as it is now: use overheat.
Feilamya Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.21 18:12:00 - [22] So dictors will drop covert ops cloaks too? Bring it! Please!
DNSBLACK Gallente Dirt Nap Squad	Posted - 2009.05.21 18:16:00 - [23] Blane, 1. I think he just wanted it to be able to jump using jump harmonics 2. 2. He was looking also looking for one more cookie and you caught him. I missed the bonus to cloak speed. I htink if it was just the jumping so be it. 3. love the idea of allowing others thru the bridge. I wouldnt mind see electronic attack ships get some jump harmonics 2 loving. 4. To the guy from doom who thinks dictors are fine must not fly one for his fleets. No matter how you bring it in, Warping or MWD or AB you are going to die. I think the dictor needs to looked at again and given some speed love or a sig reductioin as all ready mentioned. Tweak, Nice to know our Black OP drop are getting known. We still have to come up and pay you guys a visit. We are getting a video together. We went on a 2 month killing spree. I can tell you how fun and effective it is even tho the kcuf up our bombers.
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2009.05.21 19:10:00 - [24] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 21/05/2009 19:11:33 Originally by: DNSBLACK 4. To the guy from doom who thinks dictors are fine must not fly one for his fleets. No matter how you bring it in, Warping or MWD or AB you are going to die. I think the dictor needs to looked at again and given some speed love or a sig reductioin as all ready mentioned. Im almost sure you dont fly dictors. If you actually check our killboard dictor class is one im most specced in having both most kills in and most losses. And i know what im talking about: learn to play and learn to overheat, then suddenly dictors are helluva more survivable. And thx to this + having huge experience with em i can say that giving dictors any cloak bonuses/recon cyno ability/dictor sphere immunity will overpower em to the point its not even funny anymore. EDIT: but when we are at "idiot ideas". Why not add em also DD immunity and double their speed? For balance, you know?
Xorth Adimus Caldari The Perfect Storm Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.05.21 19:13:00 - [25] Edited by: Xorth Adimus on 21/05/2009 19:15:55 Edited by: Xorth Adimus on 21/05/2009 19:14:13 I think dictors are fine, a little more fitting/ resists/ hps / speed or maybe a smaller sig radius would be nice for the price! To be honest the reason for the high price is because they are so good in high demand and so very explodable! Giving a dictor the ability to jump on someone or a cloak bonus would make them a bit too powerful. However currently dictors are a bit too easy to kill and hictors are too easy to neut for caps and battleships, plus they sit in their own bubble (hictor) or have to mwd/cloak out of it (dictor) which is a small design flaw! I would propose a new T2 battlecruiser 'corsair' Similar/lesser tank to T1 battlecruiser (Tier2 BC hull, Dark colour scheme with racial highlights) Role bonus for corsair: 99% reduction to fitting REMOTE (think 15km bubble bomb) warp SCRAMBLER (yes also affects MWD!) probe launcher. 15% increased remote EW range and AOE (see below) per lvl (base range 20kms). Only one of each module can be fitted. Battlecruiser bonus: Foil (minmatar) +5% projectile falloff per level +5% projectile optimal per level 99% Fitting reduction to remote EW AOE (60% webifier, Initial 10km AOE, Duration 10 seconds, ROF 20 seconds, high cap use) 7 highs 5 guns 2 missile 5 Mids 5 Lows 25m3 drone bandwidth Apollo(Gallante) +5% hybrid falloff per level +5% hybrid optimal per level 99% fitting reduction to remote EW AOE (Dampener 50% range and res damp, Initial 10km AOE, Duration 15 seconds, ROF 20 seconds, high cap use) 7 highs 5 guns 4 Mids 6 Lows 50m3 drone bandwidth Deacon (Amarr) +10% Laser optimal per level 99% Fitting reduction to remote EW AOE (Energy Neut fitting cost Initial 10km AOE, Duration 1 second, ROF 20 seconds, high cap use (equivelent to 2 large neuts)) 7 highs 6 guns 3 Mids 7 Lows Privateer (Caldari) +10% missile velocity per level 99% Fitting reduction remote EW AOE (ECM burst, Initial 10km AOE, Duration 1 second, ROF 20 seconds, high cap use) 7 highs 6 missile 6 Mids 4 Lows Possible future T3 battlecruiser setup? Most likely to be called primary!
DNSBLACK Gallente Dirt Nap Squad	Posted - 2009.05.21 19:47:00 - [26] Deva, Kill boards are a poor place to say weather a ship is effective or not. Honestly a light dictor will get tons of kill even tho he dies ( hint they call it a bubble and you get on every kill mail). if you are saying the K/D is equal take a minute and think about what a ratio like that means ( I will leave you to ponder that). Now asking for more speed or a sig reduction is not much. You being a dictor pilot would invite such a change. As for bringing them thru with black ops why not add some twist or could it be the fact that you are fighting a sov war right now that involves cyno jammers bother you more then the fact that the dictor is not as useful as it was in the past.
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2009.05.21 20:01:00 - [27] Originally by: DNSBLACK Deva, Kill boards are a poor place to say weather a ship is effective or not. Honestly a light dictor will get tons of kill even tho he dies ( hint they call it a bubble and you get on every kill mail). if you are saying the K/D is equal take a minute and think about what a ratio like that means ( I will leave you to ponder that). Now asking for more speed or a sig reduction is not much. You being a dictor pilot would invite such a change. As for bringing them thru with black ops why not add some twist or could it be the fact that you are fighting a sov war right now that involves cyno jammers bother you more then the fact that the dictor is not as useful as it was in the past. If you read up this topic (or other topics where i was commenting on dictors/dessys) you would know already that its exactly what im proposing. And thats enough for it. Reducing sig/increasing velocity (by 20-33%, to reverse old velocity nerf) is enough for dictor to GTFO from own bubble and evade some gunfire. Anything above that is asking for too much. No im not fighting over jammers right now and i doubt ill be anytime soon, yet im seeing problems you are ignoring. And if they get ability to cyno thru covops portal you can believe me - they will be used in this way because its more... EFFICIENT?
DNSBLACK Gallente Dirt Nap Squad	Posted - 2009.05.21 22:23:00 - [28] Deva, By your posting i can tell you havnt done very many BO hot drops. It is possible but not probable that this tactic would be used. you are talking about using three ships to get this done and the survivablity of the dictor and the BO cyno ship are almost nil. You woul dbe better off cynoing in the dictor and warping it in and dropping the bubble. To hot drop right in the middle would be usless. I will share more later.
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2009.05.21 22:36:00 - [29] I have done enough of "cyno whole dread fleet to kestrel before it pops" to know its possible. Also cynoed whole BS/support fleets to kessy with same results. When i say its doable it IS doable. When i say it will be used for easy bubble traps it will be. Why? Because its E A S Y (or at least easier/more sure way of trapping hostile fleet).
Rajere No Trademark	Posted - 2009.05.21 22:50:00 - [30] lol @ the people arguing against Deva about dictors. I'm intimately familiar with both dictors and blackops and yeah, it'd make things super easy if they let you bridge dictors. It's also blatantly obvious that it would make it stupid easy to use this ability in places other than small gang blackops warfare as intended, but instead in large fleet fights with titans/etc. Since it's not very difficult to get a dictor to the engagement by other means (ahead of time & cloaked, just like old school stealth bombers), then there really isn't much of an argument to support this change for Dictors, and several serious arguments against it. The opinions expressed in my posts do represent my corp -------------------------- NOTR

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