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Kinetic Wolf	Posted - 2009.05.20 23:13:00 - [1] im trying to kill the rats on this mission and i cant cause frigging frigates are jamming me all the time. is there any widget to nerf them?
Asarah Celestial Flux Inc	Posted - 2009.05.20 23:16:00 - [2] ECCMs, Electronic Counter Counter Measures. They counter ECMs. Sensor Boosters counter Sensor Dampers. _________________________________________________________
Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum	Posted - 2009.05.20 23:54:00 - [3] ECCMs do nothing against NPC ECM, though, since it uses different mechanics (they have a fixed chance to jam). All you can really do against them is use weapons that don't require a lock (drones, FOF missiles) to kill them as best you can, focusing fire when possible on the electronic warfare ships. Once you get one or two down, maintaining locks will be easier and then downing the rest will be even quicker. Drones are definitely your best option here - set them attacking a rat and they won't stop until it's dead, regardless of what ewar is used against your own ship. Frigates will pop very quickly to a flight of lights too.
Baka Lakadaka Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.05.21 00:17:00 - [4] What I do is note which ones are jamming and prioritise them - as soon as I get a lock again, I set the drones on them to hopefully pop as many as possible before getting jammed again. I also fire as much ammo as possible down range as soon as I get a lock in a further effort to reduce their jamming capaability, but the priority is to get the drones out there. They will move on to the next enemy as long as you have them set aggressive and manage to direct them to the first target. The trick is getting them on to that first target. When solo it can be a little harder as you need to wait to get a lock again, but if you're doing a mission with a buddy or an alt, you can get the other character to concentrate on the jammers first. Before my alt was sufficiently trained to fly a BS, I had him fly around in a destroyer as a mass frigate killer, while my main flew a BS to tank the damage. ______________________ Isn't it time you learned to fight back? Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University. Now Recruiting.
Latrodanes Independent Combat Support Services	Posted - 2009.05.21 01:07:00 - [5] ...and one more nifty trick if it's an open space encounter and you are being jammed by rats in the distance is to bm a wreck or object behind them. Then you can warp out and warp back onto the bm. You are now, hopefully, behind and in closer proximity to those pesky jammers. Lock and kill them.
Plexxy	Posted - 2009.05.21 01:46:00 - [6] Originally by: Gartel Reiman ECCMs do nothing against NPC ECM, though, since it uses different mechanics (they have a fixed chance to jam). You sure? I ran recon 1 yesterday, and ECCM seemed to make me get jammed far less.
Benzaiten Reverse Caldari Shokei	Posted - 2009.05.21 06:34:00 - [7] Tryed EECM's some time ago and it seems to me that it didnt helped at all and compromised my tanking ability. Best solution is to run mission with buddy or what i am doing sometime, just activate my BS SB, let drones out and go get some lunch meantime they eating ships (not too often i needed them manualy sent on another target as they atacked BS instead of frigs )
Baka Lakadaka Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.05.21 06:53:00 - [8] Originally by: Benzaiten Reverse Tryed EECM's some time ago and it seems to me that it didnt helped at all and compromised my tanking ability. Best solution is to run mission with buddy or what i am doing sometime, just activate my BS SB, let drones out and go get some lunch meantime they eating ships (not too often i needed them manualy sent on another target as they atacked BS instead of frigs ) I really hope you don't mean Smart Bombs when you say SB? Just in case, smart bombs are a really bad idea in high sec. People will fly into you, just so you get Concorded. Then they go get the another ship (if it was a suicide rookie ship - sometimes if they have tank they won't need another ship). All that's left is to come collect all your mods that don't explode. If they're cloaked, you won't even know they're on grid until you hit them. If you meant something else by SB, then sorry, but it wasn't clear to me. ______________________ Isn't it time you learned to fight back? Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University. Now Recruiting.
Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum	Posted - 2009.05.21 11:40:00 - [9] Originally by: Plexxy Originally by: Gartel Reiman ECCMs do nothing against NPC ECM, though, since it uses different mechanics (they have a fixed chance to jam). You sure? I ran recon 1 yesterday, and ECCM seemed to make me get jammed far less. # I'm fairly sure, subject to the general premise that without looking at the source code there's no guarantees. However, I've done some empirical testing that supports this, and more importantly the database dump would imply this is the case too; jamming NPC ships do not have a "ECM Strength" attribute, but a "chance to jam" attribute. This definitely suggests equal effectiveness against all ships regardless of sensor strength. Besides, it's very hard to test chance-based mechanisms with any degree of confidence, especially if you're not empirically taking results. Due to the chance-based nature, if you fly around for a while noting how much you get jammed, then go back later and do the same, there's roughly a 50% chancethat the you'll get jammed less in the second session than the first, just due to natural variance. To do the test fully you'd need to have a model of how you expect the ECM to work, take measurements of preferably a large number of NPC attempts (find a single jamming NPC and see how many times he jams you in 10 minutes (30 cycles) with and without ECCM), from which point you can derive a "confidence interval" which is the chance that you'd obtain your results through random observation. Anyway - yes, I am pretty sure that NPC jamming chance has no correlation with your own sensor strength. Originally by: Baka Lakadaka Originally by: Benzaiten Reverse what i am doing sometime, just activate my BS SB, let drones out and go get some lunch I really hope you don't mean Smart Bombs when you say SB? I presume he meant Shield Booster. SB is a particularly bad acronym to use unclarified, since it can commonly refer to SmartBombs, Shield Boosters, Stealth Bombers and probably some other things too.
skeljita	Posted - 2009.05.21 12:54:00 - [10] use drones on jammers or FOF missiles. Other than that you cant do anything
gfldex Kabelkopp	Posted - 2009.05.21 14:35:00 - [11] Have a friend and make sure you got full agro.
Tau Cabalander Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.21 18:48:00 - [12] Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 21/05/2009 18:49:31 Originally by: Baka Lakadaka I really hope you don't mean Smart Bombs when you say SB? Just in case, smart bombs are a really bad idea in high sec. People will fly into you, just so you get Concorded. Then they go get the another ship (if it was a suicide rookie ship - sometimes if they have tank they won't need another ship). All that's left is to come collect all your mods that don't explode. If they're cloaked, you won't even know they're on grid until you hit them. I use smartbombs all the time in hisec. Never had a problem. On my Condor that I use for scouting, the only weapon I have is a smartbomb, which works a treat with an energy vampire and 500m orbit. You are not likely to encounter other players crashing your level 1-3 missions, but yes it is possible in level 4.
Baka Lakadaka Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.05.22 01:30:00 - [13] Originally by: Tau Cabalander Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 21/05/2009 18:49:31 Originally by: Baka Lakadaka I really hope you don't mean Smart Bombs when you say SB? Just in case, smart bombs are a really bad idea in high sec. People will fly into you, just so you get Concorded. Then they go get the another ship (if it was a suicide rookie ship - sometimes if they have tank they won't need another ship). All that's left is to come collect all your mods that don't explode. If they're cloaked, you won't even know they're on grid until you hit them. I use smartbombs all the time in hisec. Never had a problem. On my Condor that I use for scouting, the only weapon I have is a smartbomb, which works a treat with an energy vampire and 500m orbit. You are not likely to encounter other players crashing your level 1-3 missions, but yes it is possible in level 4. As long as you're aware of the risk, make your own decisions, but I'm not likely to risk a rigged BS to such things. I don't use faction/officer mods, but if I did then I'd be even more worried. IMO there are less risky ways of dealing with jamming and let's face it how often do you get jammed in a level 1-3 mission? ______________________ Isn't it time you learned to fight back? Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University. Now Recruiting.
Dracthera Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.22 02:04:00 - [14] Best way to avoid being jammed in missions is to kill the jammers. That's about it. keep track of who's jamming you, and which rat you started shooting (by keeping them selected), then kill them one at a time. Apto Quod Ususfructus
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.05.22 02:44:00 - [15] Originally by: Plexxy Originally by: Gartel Reiman ECCMs do nothing against NPC ECM, though, since it uses different mechanics (they have a fixed chance to jam). You sure? I ran recon 1 yesterday, and ECCM seemed to make me get jammed far less. yes sure!
Benzaiten Reverse Caldari Shokei	Posted - 2009.05.22 05:52:00 - [16] Originally by: Baka Lakadaka Originally by: Benzaiten Reverse Tryed EECM's some time ago and it seems to me that it didnt helped at all and compromised my tanking ability. Best solution is to run mission with buddy or what i am doing sometime, just activate my BS SB, let drones out and go get some lunch meantime they eating ships (not too often i needed them manualy sent on another target as they atacked BS instead of frigs ) I really hope you don't mean Smart Bombs when you say SB? Just in case, smart bombs are a really bad idea in high sec. People will fly into you, just so you get Concorded. Then they go get the another ship (if it was a suicide rookie ship - sometimes if they have tank they won't need another ship). All that's left is to come collect all your mods that don't explode. If they're cloaked, you won't even know they're on grid until you hit them. If you meant something else by SB, then sorry, but it wasn't clear to me. No i mean SB as Shield Boster :)
Baka Lakadaka Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.05.22 09:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Benzaiten Reverse No i mean SB as Shield Boster :) Sorry about that - I took the discussion in a different direction for a bit, but I don't think it was a total waste. And now back to the real topic......... ______________________ Isn't it time you learned to fight back? Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University. Now Recruiting.
Ancy Denaries Caldari Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.05.22 10:58:00 - [18] Sensor boosters to target them faster (ie before they jam you) and drones. Lots and lots of drones. ----- Why doesn't anyone ever read the forums before posting? EVE is a game of adaptation and planning. Adapt or die.

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