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Submariner V 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.05.21 05:57:00 - [1] is it possible to cloak around the beacon for the duration of the timer? seems like it wouldnt be but i thought I would ask
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.05.21 07:32:00 - [2] Its not ment to be, but my understanding is that it is still possible. However I've also heard that if you see it happening, file a bug report and the person in question will get a warning from CCP, and then the ban stick! *which is better than killing them.
Unfamed II	Posted - 2009.05.21 08:00:00 - [3] It's very much possible, and a very common practice among the corp Shadows of The Federation. Perhaps they could shed a little light how the thing works, if you ask nicely. Stabby-cloaky ships fail tho, since you can't fight back when someone decides to kick you out. You're better off in a PVP ship. (cloaky recons are "great", but can't get everywhere) Originally by: Sandslinger of CA So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2009.05.21 08:25:00 - [4] It was a bug on SiSi just before Empyrean Age was released and was removed when the patch went live. Apocrypha re-introduced the bug, probably due to cloaking mechanics being changed and thus breaking their fix. Using a known bug to gain an advantage is called exploiting and carries harsh penalties.
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.05.21 13:38:00 - [5] Originally by: Unfamed II It's very much possible, and a very common practice among the corp Shadows of The Federation. Perhaps they could shed a little light how the thing works, if you ask nicely. I would be careful accusing specific corps of exploit tactics, as this could earn a warning yourself. If you accuse anyone of cheating, you should have some form of evidence to hand. Did you report it to CCP at the time you noticed it? You should have an audit trail at least, if that is the case.
S810 Jr Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2009.05.21 14:12:00 - [6] Originally by: Unfamed II It's very much possible, and a very common practice among the corp Shadows of The Federation. Perhaps they could shed a little light how the thing works, if you ask nicely. Stabby-cloaky ships fail tho, since you can't fight back when someone decides to kick you out. You're better off in a PVP ship. (cloaky recons are "great", but can't get everywhere) Errr what? SOTF don't really plex seeing as it is pointless apart from lowering your standings with Cal and Amarr factions so even if you left FW you couldn't go back to their high sec. Would you mind saying WHO has done this in SOTF or are you just throwing crap like a monkey and hoping it will stick to something?
Gallactica Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2009.05.21 15:22:00 - [7] Unfamed, I take accusations like this very seriously - please send me proof of this and i will deal with it - if not then kindly stop talking out of your backside. Gallactica CEO - Shadows Of The Federation.
Unfamed II	Posted - 2009.05.21 15:30:00 - [8] Just ask Hussain about it, if he's man enough he'll admit doing it. On added note, technically I'm not accusing anyone of cheating until CCP declares cloaky plexing an exploit. Can't remember if I have screenshotted Hussain doing it tho, will check. Originally by: Sandslinger of CA So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
Unfamed II	Posted - 2009.05.21 15:41:00 - [9] Hello Hussain, care to explain? Originally by: Sandslinger of CA So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
Hussain Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2009.05.21 15:49:00 - [10] Well guys I am not all of SOTF... since I am the guys that do the most plexing. I petitioned for a clarification about it. Below is the my question: Running FW plexes timer while cloaked Is this an exploit ? Thanks Answer: Hello, This isn't currently considered an exploit. Best regards, GM Zerat EVE Online Customer Support. Date is 17-05-09. Any questions should be adressed to the GMs and not smack talked in the forum.
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2009.05.21 15:51:00 - [11] Originally by: Gallactica Unfamed, I take accusations like this very seriously - please send me proof of this and i will deal with it - if not then kindly stop talking out of your backside. Gallactica CEO - Shadows Of The Federation. I have similiar picture that Unfamed has. Alas, I did not remember to screencapture one image where Hussain asked in local "Can't a guy AFK plex here anymore" (or something along those lines) when we busted a plex with timer running without anyone being inside. Also, I have evemail from a CEO of one corporation where he says his corp wont do it ever again. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Unfamed II	Posted - 2009.05.21 15:52:00 - [12] Originally by: Hussain Well guys I am not all of SOTF... since I am the guys that do the most plexing. I petitioned for a clarification about it. Below is the my question: Running FW plexes timer while cloaked Is this an exploit ? Thanks Answer: Hello, This isn't currently considered an exploit. Best regards, GM Zerat EVE Online Customer Support. Date is 17-05-09. Any questions should be adressed to the GMs and not smack talked in the forum. So, what I stated is a fact. Of course, the plex might have been bugged etc. but still this thread serves FW well. Let's assume you warped off and the plex was left running on it's own. Clearly a bug which leads to accusations like this. All thanks to plex mechanics being borked. Just say you warped off before we got there and you'll have my apologies. Originally by: Sandslinger of CA So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
Zetler Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.05.21 15:55:00 - [13]
Hussain Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2009.05.21 16:44:00 - [14] Well I know you guys love my cloaky-stab fittings... "Stabby-cloaky ships fail tho, since you can't fight back when someone decides to kick you out. You're better off in a PVP ship. (cloaky recons are "great", but can't get everywhere)" - Unfamed II Just got smacked in Mercomesier for using it to break a blockade from 4 of you guys. "So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre." - Unfamed II Yes its a tactical thing I was running a Helios in a DEFENSIVE plex... navy rats wont shoot me, you guys enter I cloak as I am on the capture range the timer still runs.. screenshot ! Exploit ! I know you rather have my killmail but early on Mercomesier I thought against 7 of you got one and runned away like the chicken I am. Sorry for not be more accomudating.
Gallactica Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2009.05.21 17:04:00 - [15] Hussain told me he leaves the plex when wts come in - so i have no problem there. Just for clarification - Even though its not officially an exploit its obviously a crappy bug. Imho, its along the same lines as using neutral logistics to repair you in fights - within the rules but lame all the same. To confirm, my corp wont be using this bug to capture / defend plexes - if any of my guys are caught capturing plexes using this method they will be kicked from corp. Gallactica CEO - Shadows Of The Federartion
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2009.05.21 17:30:00 - [16] /Rant How the hell can using a bug not be an exploit? What the hell are the GMs smoking/drinking these days? They might as well just have a 5s timer on all plexes from now on, NPCs can't do jack about speed tankers and sites register cloaked vessels, save us all some time so we can pew some more. I for one will continue to petition these as exploits when I get a good screen-shot. Seriously considering starting to petition speed tankers as well .. MWD were removed from mission deadspace because it allowed speedtanking/kiting .. why on earth is FW different? Require all spawns to be killed before capture can done, sort this buggy crap out once and for all. /Rant
Bad Messenger Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.05.21 17:41:00 - [17] Speed tanking is not an exploit. You can tank those npc on anyway you want or kill them. PERVS mainly kill those because if war target enters plex all are free to pvp. It is not ment that npc defends plex. Defending should happen by other players. Npc is only helping defender or not. Running timer cloaked is an exploit. It is clearly said that "Being cloaked will not count towards the timer. " if you can it must be an exploit. http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Factional_Warfare_Dungeons
Unfamed II	Posted - 2009.05.21 22:27:00 - [18] Originally by: Gallactica Hussain told me he leaves the plex when wts come in - so i have no problem there. Just for clarification - Even though its not officially an exploit its obviously a crappy bug. Imho, its along the same lines as using neutral logistics to repair you in fights - within the rules but lame all the same. To confirm, my corp wont be using this bug to capture / defend plexes - if any of my guys are caught capturing plexes using this method they will be kicked from corp. Gallactica CEO - Shadows Of The Federartion Just said what I've seen. Never did I accuse Hussain of cheating, but based on my observations, perhaps abusing the flawed mechanic in the plexes. I also made it all too easy for him to defend himself. Rather fair. If he's the only one of you plexing, tough luck. Smack? Whut, considering we had a "real" reason that was pretty mild smack compared to our usual selves. The logoffski thing in my sig dates back to when Lotka Volterra was still alive and kicking, and logoffskis were considered very much lame and allowed escape from bubbles. No need to bring that one here. You said Hussain warps off, fine, my apologies then. Like I said, the false accusations boils down to bugs in plexes. Originally by: Sandslinger of CA So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
X Gallentius MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.05.22 21:08:00 - [19] Edited by: X Gallentius on 22/05/2009 21:09:17 Originally by: Unfamed II Originally by: X Gallentius Originally by: Damar Rocarion no gallente can hide from the wrath which is a horde of Caldari's flying t1 frigates.Damar Rocarion Brigadier General Caldari War Cry: "Our stabbed frigs would blot out the sun! - if they weren't cloaked" Irony overload. http://www.funkstars.net/microfunks/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2465 Ironic, indeed. I don't quite understand the afterburner, but the cloak, warp core stab, and probe launcher make perfect sense to me. Must have been done on purpose for forum laughs. Hopefully the 22nd apologizes for having one of their members fly a Heron. Awful ship.

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