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Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.22 20:54:00 - [1] ...someone that has negative standing and has a nice juicy bounty on him/her cannot be fired upon in hi-sec? Obviously someone wants him dead, hence the bounty...and the negative standing says this person has been a bad boy/girl. Now, I can understand it if someone places a bounty on someone with positive standing...they should not be targets in hi-sec, but someone with negative standing? Why are they afforded Concord protection?
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.05.22 20:59:00 - [2] There should be a Vigilantism skill that would allows you to engage low standings targets freely without recourse. Lvl 5 = -0.1 and lower Lvl 4 = -1.1 and lower Lvl 3 = -2.1 and lower Lvl 2 = -3.1 and lower Lvl 1 = -4.1 and lower Once you get Vigilantism to 5, you can train Bounty Hunting, which allows you to engage positive standings targets that have bounties on them. All charisma heavy of course, and in the Social category. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.22 21:01:00 - [3] Originally by: Anubis Xian There should be a Vigilantism skill that would allows you to engage low standings targets freely without recourse. Lvl 5 = -0.1 and lower Lvl 4 = -1.1 and lower Lvl 3 = -2.1 and lower Lvl 2 = -3.1 and lower Lvl 1 = -4.1 and lower Once you get Vigilantism to 5, you can train Bounty Hunting, which allows you to engage positive standings targets that have bounties on them. All charisma heavy of course, and in the Social category. Excellent Idea!! /signed
Feilamya Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.22 21:03:00 - [4] 1. Bounty has nothing to do with kill rights. Just because someone wants you to kill them, doesn't mean you can. 2. Because it's highsec, and nobody is KOS in empire above -5. If you want to shoot stuff, go to lowsec or 0.0.
Cat o'Ninetails Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2009.05.22 21:04:00 - [5] Originally by: Anubis Xian There should be a Vigilantism skill that would allows you to engage low standings targets freely without recourse. Lvl 5 = -0.1 and lower Lvl 4 = -1.1 and lower Lvl 3 = -2.1 and lower Lvl 2 = -3.1 and lower Lvl 1 = -4.1 and lower Once you get Vigilantism to 5, you can train Bounty Hunting, which allows you to engage positive standings targets that have bounties on them. All charisma heavy of course, and in the Social category. I like this idea, but I sadly doubt it would happen. visit my blog for my adventures
Darkerz Reloaded Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.22 21:04:00 - [6] Because of falcon !
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.05.22 21:06:00 - [7] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr ...someone that has negative standing and has a nice juicy bounty on him/her cannot be fired upon in hi-sec? Obviously someone wants him dead, hence the bounty...and the negative standing says this person has been a bad boy/girl. Now, I can understand it if someone places a bounty on someone with positive standing...they should not be targets in hi-sec, but someone with negative standing? Why are they afforded Concord protection? So anyone with a negative standing should be fair game?
Tippia Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.22 21:06:00 - [8] Because. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.22 21:07:00 - [9] Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 22/05/2009 21:08:04 Originally by: Feilamya 1. Bounty has nothing to do with kill rights. Just because someone wants you to kill them, doesn't mean you can. 2. Because it's highsec, and nobody is KOS in empire above -5. If you want to shoot stuff, go to lowsec or 0.0. I think this move would keep more neg standing people in low sec. Forcing people to stay in low sec would actually help develop low-sec as they could not venture into hi-sec for resources. If your lifestyle is neg standing and there is a price on your head, then stay where the criminals thrive....otherwise us law abiding citizens will kill you. Sounds like a fair balance. Originally by: Malcanis So anyone with a negative standing should be fair game? Negative AND a bounty.
THE L0CK	Posted - 2009.05.22 21:10:00 - [10] What are you talking about? You can shoot them. Just make sure your ship is cheaper than the bounty and that you can get the pod before your concorkidon'd
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.05.22 21:11:00 - [11] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 22/05/2009 21:09:45 Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 22/05/2009 21:08:04 Originally by: Feilamya 1. Bounty has nothing to do with kill rights. Just because someone wants you to kill them, doesn't mean you can. 2. Because it's highsec, and nobody is KOS in empire above -5. If you want to shoot stuff, go to lowsec or 0.0. I think this move would keep more neg standing people in low sec. Forcing people to stay in low sec would actually help develop low-sec as they could not venture into hi-sec for resources. If your lifestyle is neg standing and there is a price on your head, then stay where the criminals thrive....otherwise us law abiding citizens will kill you. Sounds like a fair balance. Originally by: Malcanis So anyone with a negative standing should be fair game? Negative AND a bounty. Originally by: Tippia Because. That's just BS. It needs to be re-done. So what if a player has -5.0 standing? If there is no bounty on them...it's not worth my time. So anytime you see someone with a -0.01 standing, you can put a 5k bounty on them and kill them freely?
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.05.22 21:12:00 - [12] Originally by: Malcanis So anytime you see someone with a -0.01 standing, you can put a 5k bounty on them and kill them freely? -1.5 you mean. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.22 21:13:00 - [13] Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 22/05/2009 21:16:00 Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 22/05/2009 21:09:45 Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 22/05/2009 21:08:04 Originally by: Feilamya 1. Bounty has nothing to do with kill rights. Just because someone wants you to kill them, doesn't mean you can. 2. Because it's highsec, and nobody is KOS in empire above -5. If you want to shoot stuff, go to lowsec or 0.0. I think this move would keep more neg standing people in low sec. Forcing people to stay in low sec would actually help develop low-sec as they could not venture into hi-sec for resources. If your lifestyle is neg standing and there is a price on your head, then stay where the criminals thrive....otherwise us law abiding citizens will kill you. Sounds like a fair balance. Originally by: Malcanis So anyone with a negative standing should be fair game? Negative AND a bounty. Originally by: Tippia Because. That's just BS. It needs to be re-done. So what if a player has -5.0 standing? If there is no bounty on them...it's not worth my time. So anytime you see someone with a -0.01 standing, you can put a 5k bounty on them and kill them freely? For 5K? No. there should be a minimum of 100million isk bounty (to prevent abuse...if you want someone dead, pay up), and the standing should be adjusted to -1.5 -5.0 just means you have been a major assh0le, and people have been putting up with it for too long. -1.5 means your assholish ways are noted, and we are not going to put up with it anymore.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.05.22 21:16:00 - [14] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 22/05/2009 21:15:18 Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 22/05/2009 21:13:14 Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 22/05/2009 21:09:45 Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 22/05/2009 21:08:04 Originally by: Feilamya 1. Bounty has nothing to do with kill rights. Just because someone wants you to kill them, doesn't mean you can. 2. Because it's highsec, and nobody is KOS in empire above -5. If you want to shoot stuff, go to lowsec or 0.0. I think this move would keep more neg standing people in low sec. Forcing people to stay in low sec would actually help develop low-sec as they could not venture into hi-sec for resources. If your lifestyle is neg standing and there is a price on your head, then stay where the criminals thrive....otherwise us law abiding citizens will kill you. Sounds like a fair balance. Originally by: Malcanis So anyone with a negative standing should be fair game? Negative AND a bounty. Originally by: Tippia Because. That's just BS. It needs to be re-done. So what if a player has -5.0 standing? If there is no bounty on them...it's not worth my time. So anytime you see someone with a -0.01 standing, you can put a 5k bounty on them and kill them freely? For 5K? No. there should be a minimum of 100million isk bounty (to prevent abuse...if you want someone dead, pay up), and the standing should be adjusted to -1.5 -5.0 just means you have been a major *******, and people have been putting up with it for too long. -1.5 means your assholish ways are noted, and we are not going to put up with it anymore. -1.5 could mean you fought a single pirate gang on the gate when they didn't happen to be blinky....
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.05.22 21:18:00 - [15] Originally by: Malcanis -1.5 could mean you fought a single pirate gang on the gate when they didn't happen to be blinky.... It doesn't work like that. Unless you managed to pod one, and even then you probably wouldn't be -1.5. No, to drop that low, you have to intend to drop that low. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.22 21:21:00 - [16] Originally by: Anubis Xian Originally by: Malcanis -1.5 could mean you fought a single pirate gang on the gate when they didn't happen to be blinky.... It doesn't work like that. Unless you managed to pod one, and even then you probably wouldn't be -1.5. No, to drop that low, you have to intend to drop that low. My point exactly. Why have a free ride to -5.0? -1.5 obviously states that you are up to no good and dont deserve hi-sec protection.
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.05.22 21:22:00 - [17] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Originally by: Anubis Xian Originally by: Malcanis -1.5 could mean you fought a single pirate gang on the gate when they didn't happen to be blinky.... It doesn't work like that. Unless you managed to pod one, and even then you probably wouldn't be -1.5. No, to drop that low, you have to intend to drop that low. My point exactly. Why have a free ride to -5.0? -1.5 obviously states that you are up to no good and dont deserve hi-sec protection. To be fair, faction navies start engaging at -2.0, just not in 0.5s etc. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Cat o'Ninetails Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2009.05.22 21:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Darkerz Reloaded Because of falcon ! um CONCORD have declared those jokes passTe lol you will get forum instapopped visit my blog for my adventures
Tippia Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.22 21:35:00 - [19] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Originally by: Tippia Because. That's just BS. It needs to be re-done. Why? Quote: Why are they afforded Concord protection? Because everyone else is. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.22 21:39:00 - [20] Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 22/05/2009 21:44:27 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Originally by: Tippia Because. That's just BS. It needs to be re-done. Why? Quote: Why are they afforded Concord protection? Because everyone else is. Why? Because there is no game balance. 9 out of 10 times, you are guaranteed an ass whooping if you go into low sec (if you are not a part of the low-sec world). That's cool. But the people that live in low-sec (negative standing people with bounties) have the luxury of going into hi-sec with no consequence. They just have to be careful not to be flashy red. That sucks. Now...I can see all the piwate tears begin to flow. This is called balance.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.22 21:45:00 - [21] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Why? Because there is no game balance. Yes there is. You are protected in high-sec; they are protected in highsec. Quote: You are 9 out of 10 times, you are guaranteed an ass whooping if you go into low sec No. You are free to kill them; they are free to kill you. You are free to take precautions; they are free to take precautions. The supposed imbalance you see is just an unwillingness on the part of one of the parties to play by the rules — whether they are to your advantage or disadvantage — in the various security environments. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.22 21:53:00 - [22] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Why? Because there is no game balance. Yes there is. You are protected in high-sec; they are protected in highsec. Quote: You are 9 out of 10 times, you are guaranteed an ass whooping if you go into low sec No. You are free to kill them; they are free to kill you. You are free to take precautions; they are free to take precautions. The supposed imbalance you see is just an unwillingness on the part of one of the parties to play by the rules ù whether they are to your advantage or disadvantage ù in the various security environments. The "rules" are not set in stone. Hence all the "nerfed" elements of this game. You choose your lifestyle...don't expect protection from the law just because you happen to be in a different place in EVE. I dont expect any protection in low-sec....so what's the difference?
Tippia Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.22 21:58:00 - [23] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr You choose your lifestyle...don't expect protection from the law just because you happen to be in a different place in EVE. I dont expect any protection in low-sec....so what's the difference? This is already the case: when in low-sec, you don't expect any protection, and neither do they; when in high-sec, you expect protection, and so do they. Quote: The "rules" are not set in stone. …which leads back to the question: why does it need to be redone? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.22 22:03:00 - [24] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Nooma K'Larr You choose your lifestyle...don't expect protection from the law just because you happen to be in a different place in EVE. I dont expect any protection in low-sec....so what's the difference? This is already the case: when in low-sec, you don't expect any protection, and neither do they; when in high-sec, you expect protection, and so do they. Quote: The "rules" are not set in stone. àwhich leads back to the question: why does it need to be redone? Again I repeat..BALANCE. The way it is set now makes the whole bounty system even more worthless than what it is. That being the case, then the skull icon indicating bounty on the pilot should just be removed as soon as they fly into hi-sec. There is nothing you can do to them.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.22 22:08:00 - [25] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Again I repeat..BALANCE. It's already there. Quote: That being the case, then the skull icon indicating bounty on the pilot should just be removed as soon as they fly into hi-sec. There is nothing you can do to them. Yes there is: you can blow them up. You just don't want to. In fact, your actual complaint is that people don't post high enough bounties to be worth collecting. That's a player problem. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.05.22 22:09:00 - [26] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 22/05/2009 21:44:27 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Originally by: Tippia Because. That's just BS. It needs to be re-done. Why? Quote: Why are they afforded Concord protection? Because everyone else is. Why? Because there is no game balance. 9 out of 10 times, you are guaranteed an ass whooping if you go into low sec (if you are not a part of the low-sec world). That's cool. But the people that live in low-sec (negative standing people with bounties) have the luxury of going into hi-sec with no consequence. They just have to be careful not to be flashy red. That sucks. Now...I can see all the piwate tears begin to flow. This is called balance. The "guaranteed an ass whooping" isn't a consequence of game mechanics though, it's because the "ass whoopers" are organised, fitted for purpose, and ready to fight.
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.22 22:13:00 - [27] Quote: The "guaranteed an ass whooping" isn't a consequence of game mechanics though, it's because the "ass whoopers" are organised, fitted for purpose, and ready to fight. I never said it was a problem. But the same level of organization is not available in hi-sec without the logistics of wardecs. There is nothing to support the solo vigilante without consequence from concord. So they remain protected on both ends of the scale...low-sec and hi.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.22 22:19:00 - [28] Edited by: Tippia on 22/05/2009 22:21:21 Originally by: Nooma K'Larr But the same level of organization is not available in hi-sec without the logistics of wardecs. …which is why they can't use it in highsec either; which is why you shouldn't either. If you want to be coordinated in the same way, go to where you can be: lowsec. Quote: There is nothing to support the solo vigilante without consequence from concord. That has nothing to do with the sec level — it has to do with the fact that you're using the wrong tactic: you're going solo. Quote: So they remain protected on both ends of the scale...low-sec and hi. Again: low-sec offers no protection. They take advantage of that fact, and so can you. You preceived imbalance nothing other than you not considering all of your options. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Mr Sean	Posted - 2009.05.23 02:29:00 - [29] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Why are they afforded Concord protection? So, what kind of ship did you get Concorded when you decided to shoot first and consider the implications of that later?
Bestofworst Gallente Double Eagle Enterprises	Posted - 2009.05.23 02:37:00 - [30] If you train bounty hunter skills you should also become freegame for pirates without getting concordokkened or having to wait for them to shoot first so it isn't something you do when you have 110% advantage over the guy. ---- <Insert Wit>

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