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Jotunspor
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Posted - 2009.05.22 21:57:00 -
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Allright, im running a Radeon 4850, and its around 70 degrees while playing EVE....i figured this isnt normal since well...i mean, look at it. The game has Nintendo 64 graphics! there's no reason for my card to be running this hot. Some guy told me it should be running much cooler, around 64 degrees... How can i resolve this problem, and also, i would like to add that whenever i check the temperature after exiting the EVE game window, it would drop drastically, once it went from 79 degrees to arround 64...is this an error? or is my card really running hot?
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FreddyMac
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Posted - 2009.05.22 22:01:00 -
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Eve has Nintendo 64 graphics? Ill pretend that you arent a ****** for that comment and try to help. In your graphics options in Eve, is it set to use Interval 1?
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Cat o'Ninetails
Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2009.05.22 22:02:00 -
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I have a GT8800 and with stock cooling, it used to idle at around 60c and under load it would push 70-80. I now have a custom heatsink (scary stuff to hack apart a 200 pound card) and under load it is about 35. Quieter too than the jet engine the stock cooling had strapped to it.
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.05.22 22:17:00 -
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Good troll OP.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.05.22 22:30:00 -
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Undock and turn Interval One on in graphics settings.
Eve runs that hot cause its running at full frames, your card is rendering upwards of 200-300 frames per second without Interval One set. Interval One is basically Vsync.
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Grez
Minmatar
Core Contingency
Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.22 22:33:00 -
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4800 series is rated at about 90c load. Until it hits that, I wouldn't even start worrying.
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Jasqua
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Posted - 2009.05.22 22:45:00 -
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go into you're Catalyst Control Center and turn up the fan speed. Im currently running 2 Radeon 4870x2 HD and they seems to rev a little in EVE, no where near a dangerous level though. Playing Crysis they don't even strain like that, I can only assume it has something to do with the EVE engine.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.05.22 23:02:00 -
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Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 22/05/2009 23:03:37
Whenever a ship explodes for me, and at differing other times my computer hardlocks. Everything freezes, music continues playing then "speckles out" for a moment, then my UI flashes off, then back on then everything goes back to normal.
It's very frustrating and the lockups last as long as 10 seconds.
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Kaar
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2009.05.22 23:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 22/05/2009 23:03:37
Whenever a ship explodes for me, and at differing other times my computer hardlocks. Everything freezes, music continues playing then "speckles out" for a moment, then my UI flashes off, then back on then everything goes back to normal.
It's very frustrating and the lockups last as long as 10 seconds.
Thats EM interference from the ship explosion.
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Sturmwolke
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.05.23 00:00:00 -
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Set to "Interval One", which I always do whenever the EVE client is re-installed.
It killed my old 7300GT which was running cool on a good Zalman HS before I learned about the interval setting.
What I can't honestly figure out is why CCP still leaves the EVE default interval to zero. I will assume CCP knows this is causing real hardware problems to some people which results in a dead card. I still see dead card posts in the forums, and this is probably just the tip of the iceberg. It may not reflect the majority, but the problem is there nonetheless.
I would suggest CCP re-examine their position on the interval zero default for the EVE client. At the very least :
1) re-phrase the interval settings wording to standard English for the layman. i.e. "Interval Zero" to "Fast/Turbo", "Interval One" to "Normal" and etc.
2) attach a cautionary note on graphics card overheat to "Interval Zero" so people can make informed decision whether to have it enabled.
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TimMc
Gallente
Brutal Deliverance
Vort3x.
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Posted - 2009.05.23 00:07:00 -
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Goto the CCC and force V-sync.
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Mary Magdalene
Caldari
Mercurialis Inc.
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.05.23 00:07:00 -
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i run a 4850 and eve used to be about 70c which as some others have mentioned isnt too bad for the 4850 as its not un common to hit 90c , however like u i wasnt happy with it at 70 so i went and bought the artic cooling twin turbo cooler, for about ú16, took bout 15 mins to fit and now temps running eve are 40c with manual fan set at 50%
i was very impressed with the temp reduction for such a small cost.
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Johann Callasan
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.23 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jotunspor
Allright, im running a Radeon 4850, and its around 70 degrees while playing EVE....i figured this isnt normal since well...i mean, look at it. The game has Nintendo 64 graphics! there's no reason for my card to be running this hot. Some guy told me it should be running much cooler, around 64 degrees... How can i resolve this problem, and also, i would like to add that whenever i check the temperature after exiting the EVE game window, it would drop drastically, once it went from 79 degrees to arround 64...is this an error? or is my card really running hot?
First off, comparing EvE to the N64 is quantum-level fail, ESPECIALLY if you want any help around here.
Secondly, it's not your imagination.
When EvE was first written in 2001, it's graphics engine was designed to make the graphics beautiful. Being that one of the things bandied around back then (and still is, by idiots who don't know their video) is framerate. So, the graphics engine was designed to pump out as many frames per second as it could while still achieving good qualty.
As graphics cards grew in power, this became a Bad Thing - as the cards were already running hot, and driving them without any kind of limiter on them made them hotter for no real visual benefit. A year ago, this finally reached it's head with regard to EvE, when some of the later generations of video cards running the client began burining out due to thermal stress - literally being driven beyond their designed framerates so much that the aircooling employed by most manufacturers was completely inadequate. Thus, in Revelations, the "interval" setting was introduced, first as a hidden setting in EvE's ini files, later as a option on the Advanced Video Settings window.
"Interval default" and "interval zero" do the same thing, allow the graphics engine unrestricted frames per second - and, being that EvE only uses Shader model 2 these days, there is danger on the real high-end cards of overheat (the Classic client, by contrast, used Shader Model 1 - you can imagine what it did on say, a GTX 250...).
"Interval One" locks the graphic engine to whatever frames per second you have set at the "Monitor Refresh" in your Display Control Panel. Have the display set to 60 Hz (default for most LCD screens), you'll get 60 FPS at most. Have it higher (as int he case of someone still using a CRT), you'll get whatever you set the refresh rate to.
"Interval Two" and higher set a divider to the refresh rate - Interval Two with a 60 Hz display will get you 30 FPS, for example. Why they're even there has been the subject of debate...after all, there isn't a consumer display unit that goes above 100 Hz refresh (usually it's 90, 75, 72, and 60).
So, to cool your card, set Interval One and have at it. Want to maintain what you have currently and take a chance on burnout? Set Interval Zero. Up to you.
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Kaahles
E3 Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.23 00:16:00 -
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I'm not a total ati expert since I favor nvidia for years (yeahyeah shame on me and all that stuff I know) but I got a lot of friends with cards in the 48xx range and 70-90 (sometimes even up to 100) is pretty normal for those.
Oh and well... usually they shut down before they get too hot unless of course you mess with the drivers.
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Grez
Minmatar
Core Contingency
Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.23 00:22:00 -
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Playing EVE atm, alt-tabbed just to let you see what the card was running at (and so not to be worried):
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Kranwe Sentai
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Posted - 2009.05.23 00:26:00 -
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i blew out 2 laptops (luckily both under warranty) and one older ati 256mb card while hanging / spinning around in a station. Top of the line cards are safe, older ones / laptops with possible heat issues should do as above posters suggested. I havent had issues since. :)
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Hariya
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Posted - 2009.05.23 18:30:00 -
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The thing is, most of what you see in Eve is not made by models + simple textures. The CCP decided to use very heavily shaders and all sorts of special tricks for everything.
For instance when you spin your mighty Apocalypse in station, admiring all the small lights and details? Most of those are not in the model, and not in traditional textures either. They use there a special shader to interpret a meta-information "texture" to build the final look of things.
Some of that stuff is seriously not light on the display adapter. Also they are doing their best not using genuine light sources (that would be extremely heavy) but use again shader tricks to fake the light related effects.
I seriously don't wonder if your display adapter runs hot when playing Eve. It is basically being used to every single drop of computing power even when nothing really is happening on your screen.
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Ptarmigent
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.23 19:06:00 -
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Edited by: Ptarmigent on 23/05/2009 19:06:21
Originally by: Johann Callasan
First off, comparing EvE to the N64 is quantum-level fail, ESPECIALLY if you want any help around here.
Did you mean to say its very-very small fail ? 
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.23 19:24:00 -
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Like said before, interval on 1 will help.
However 70 degrees isnt a problem at all. As long as it is below 90 there is no reason at all to worry.
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Feilamya
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.23 19:26:00 -
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Most people who think they have graphics issues in EVE should try the following:
Turn off all sounds in EVE!
You may ask yourself what this has to do with graphics, and the answer to this is simple: Nothing at all.
With every major patch or expansion I had decided to give the sound engine of EVE another chance, and I turned on sound and music, and maybe I would even have given EVE Voice a try if there had been a chance.
These short periods of playing EVE with sound usually ended in a series of random crashes, blue screens of death and lost ships. Most of the time I'm playing EVE without sound, and I have (almost) no problems.
TL;DR: If you have problems with the EVE client, always turn off sound first. Only if the problems persist, blame it on something else.
(I know the OP had a problem with his card running hot, which turned out not to be a problem. I'm addressing all the other folks here who claim they have graphics problems)
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Grez
Minmatar
Core Contingency
Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.23 20:30:00 -
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Right, because the sound engine causes extra load on the GPU.
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FreddyMac
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Posted - 2009.05.24 00:19:00 -
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Actually sound issues can cause graphical issues believe it or not.
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fatherted1989
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.24 03:20:00 -
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Legit.
4850's typically run around 65o without load. If it's troubling you (mine runs 95o when folding) sort your case airflow out or get a cooler. They can run happily up til 110o.
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Grez
Minmatar
Core Contingency
Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.24 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: FreddyMac
Actually sound issues can cause graphical issues believe it or not.
No, just no. No sound in anyway can put load on the graphics card. Just don't post again.
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Cloora
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.05.24 04:54:00 -
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What does Interval Immediate do then? I don't exceed 60 FPS with any of my comps so I dont see a reason to turn it to Interval One.
Running max graphics settings on my main comp using 2 clients with resolution at 1680X1050 I get about 50-60 FPS. With an ATI Radeon HD2900 XT I run 68 deg C
My lappy (a Dell XPS M1730) running one client at 1920X1200 resolution (yeah my laptop has a better screen then my 21 inch Dell LCD monitor for my main comp) I get about about 45-55 FPS and it has a NVidia GeForce 8700M GT 1. Not sure of the temp because I don't know how to check it in the Nvidia setting panel.
My second comp is running a Radeon X1600 Series 1 at 1280X1024 resolution with no shadows, no bloom and no HDR and is only at 35-45 FPS
Nothing sounds wrong with your temps on that card to me.
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Amber Coldheart
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.24 05:25:00 -
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Not tried the interval 1, i'll definately do that, see if it helps.
Other than that, i agree with the OP, EVE *is* doing something that drives up the temp, something that even a top of the line FPS, newest whatever game cant rival.
I have an ATI 4870. It idles at around 85'ish, and goes close to 100 during load. Not feeling very comfortable with that (yes, i know that the card can take it, but thats "#ñ%"#% high temps to have inside a comp case), so i just upped the fanspeed a bit, and im now happily idling at 61, and it never goes over 70'ish during load, even in marathon sessions. Except for EVE that is.. EVE has a nasty tendency to drive the temp through the roof in record time. Leaving my card at stock fan temp had the card jump from 80'ish to well over 100 degrees inside 30 seconds. NO other game i know of does this, i wonder how much hardware damage around the world EVE is responsible for :)
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Agent Known
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.05.24 05:36:00 -
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I once overclocked my card by a meager 30MHz and watched the temperature slowly climb...even though it wasn't doing anything... 
Anyway, no card burnouts here because of that vsync thing. Even when it's not interval one I don't have heating issues. Radeon 4850, btw.
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Darwin Duck
Ihatalo Navy
Ihatalo Cartel Navy
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Posted - 2009.05.25 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 22/05/2009 23:03:37
Whenever a ship explodes for me, and at differing other times my computer hardlocks. Everything freezes, music continues playing then "speckles out" for a moment, then my UI flashes off, then back on then everything goes back to normal.
It's very frustrating and the lockups last as long as 10 seconds.
I had this problem until I started using interval one to limit FPS to 60 , I had to limit it to 30 FPS when running 2 clients windowed. GFZ chip would hit 85oC before using interval in advanced gfx options. For me I didn't need an explotion to freeze up, it froze for about 5 sec every 15 sec.
There is something wrong with EVE, I have no chance to get it to run stable under WinXP, it hardcrashes and restart my computer within 30 minutes of play, nothing else makes them crash only EVE. It's the same on both my computers, it's stable in Vista64 and Windows 7 64bit though.
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CCP Applebabe
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:26:00 -
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Moved to " Issues ,Workarounds & Localization ".
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