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karmahpolice	Posted - 2009.05.24 15:46:00 - [1] Just curious as i have started pirating (im a vet of eve, but new to pirating @ gates with sentry fire) I fly Minmatar and Amarr... have CS 5, HACS 5, Recons 5 and all lvl 5's in gunnery support, you get the point, i been around for a while. So sense i can fly Minmatar and amarr great with skills to back it up, what in your opinion would be the best sub BS to tank sentrie guns and be able to take out fast moving ships. (Frigs, Destroyers, Cruisers, not to worried about BS) Thanks!
Nugite	Posted - 2009.05.24 15:50:00 - [2] Hurricane with two sensor boosters Broadsword if you're feeling sassy with scripted point
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.05.24 16:31:00 - [3] devotor or phobos for a lock, but not the kill. --
Tank64 Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.05.24 17:29:00 - [4] Sacri?
Hadrielloress	Posted - 2009.05.24 17:31:00 - [5] Originally by: Nugite Hurricane with two sensor boosters Broadsword if you're feeling sassy with scripted point Not often do you see the word sassy used. I approve this post.
Gimpb Brilliant Eclipse	Posted - 2009.05.24 20:50:00 - [6] Interesting name... spend any time at gt?
Future Mutant	Posted - 2009.05.24 21:35:00 - [7] Gate camping is pirating now? Gate camping is the lamest form of pvp ever- think about it, a small group has almost zero chance of getting killed and almost 100% chance of killing their target. Assuming theyre not complete morons anyway. Gate camping is like fishing out of a bucket. Sure your going to catch whatevers in the bucket, but then again so could anyone else doing the exact same thing. Kind of makes you wonder if the ones who whine about missioners making the "easy" isk are the same ones gate camping. To all those engaged in real pvp- and not gatecamping- We salute you
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.24 22:14:00 - [8] Originally by: Future Mutant Gate camping is pirating now? Gate camping is the lamest form of pvp ever- think about it, a small group has almost zero chance of getting killed and almost 100% chance of killing their target. Assuming theyre not complete morons anyway. Gate camping is like fishing out of a bucket. Sure your going to catch whatevers in the bucket, but then again so could anyone else doing the exact same thing. Kind of makes you wonder if the ones who whine about missioners making the "easy" isk are the same ones gate camping. To all those engaged in real pvp- and not gatecamping- We salute you Did you read the ****ing post? --
Riley Escobar	Posted - 2009.05.24 22:17:00 - [9] Originally by: Future Mutant Gate camping is pirating now? Gate camping is the lamest form of pvp ever- think about it, a small group has almost zero chance of getting killed and almost 100% chance of killing their target. Assuming theyre not complete morons anyway. Gate camping is like fishing out of a bucket. Sure your going to catch whatevers in the bucket, but then again so could anyone else doing the exact same thing. Kind of makes you wonder if the ones who whine about missioners making the "easy" isk are the same ones gate camping. To all those engaged in real pvp- and not gatecamping- We salute you sounds awesome where do i sign up -[my name]
Riley Escobar	Posted - 2009.05.24 22:21:00 - [10] Originally by: Future Mutant Gate camping is like fishing out of a bucket. Sure your going to catch whatevers in the bucket, but then again so could anyone else doing the exact same thing. Kind of makes you wonder if the ones who whine about missioners making the "easy" isk are the same ones gate camping. To all those engaged in real pvp- and not gatecamping- We salute you Since similies are meant to compare to something that a majority of the population can relate to and since most people don't sit like *******s and fish out a backet I would much rather compare gatecamping to the bullies waiting outside of the backdoor of the school for the fatwalleted grade niners to sprawl out of, only the quick ones survive. -[my name]
karmahpolice	Posted - 2009.05.25 01:48:00 - [11] Originally by: Future Mutant Gate camping is pirating now? Gate camping is the lamest form of pvp ever- think about it, a small group has almost zero chance of getting killed and almost 100% chance of killing their target. Assuming theyre not complete morons anyway. Gate camping is like fishing out of a bucket. Sure your going to catch whatevers in the bucket, but then again so could anyone else doing the exact same thing. Kind of makes you wonder if the ones who whine about missioners making the "easy" isk are the same ones gate camping. To all those engaged in real pvp- and not gatecamping- We salute you Well i dont complain and dont visit the forums to much. Gatecamping seems to be the most popular thing in eve sense every alliance and pvp corp i have been in sense 2003 has constantly gate camped, either in low sec, or null sec. We have ransomed and got payed 3 times today, so yes that is pirating. What would real pvp be? Fleet ops? Its the same thing coach. Eve if you like it or not is, Get the most numbers, and have fun blowing suff up. But im sure you and your friends always make sure... oh these people have 4 ppl, but we have 7, 3 people sit out because were TRUE PVPERS LOL! You might be newer and not realise it yet, but thats what its really all about. To any PvPer that does what they think is fun and not by the standards of some newbs, i salute you
King Rothgar Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2009.05.25 05:40:00 - [12] You have a few options. BC's in general would be your best bet as they have a stiff tank, enough gank and are still somewhat mobile. I would look at the harbinger or absolution as a first pick. Both have a very solid tank and a large engagement window with pulse lasers. The harbinger can easily spare a midslot for a sensor booster so lock time on anything cruiser sized and up is a breeze. If you can two man it, I recommend a HIC and a BS of some sort. In any case a cloaked scout on the other side of the gate is a necessity as you must know when to run and when to fight before stuff starts shooting you. I also advise against sitting on the gate itself. Make an off grid perch 1000km away and stay warp aligned to the gate. Don't go to the gate unless a suitable target jumps in, that's where the scout comes in . -----------------------------------------------------
Andreya Direct Intent	Posted - 2009.05.25 07:36:00 - [13] Originally by: Future Mutant Gate camping is pirating now? Gate camping is the lamest form of pvp ever- think about it, a small group has almost zero chance of getting killed and almost 100% chance of killing their target. Assuming theyre not complete morons anyway. Gate camping is like fishing out of a bucket. Sure your going to catch whatevers in the bucket, but then again so could anyone else doing the exact same thing. Kind of makes you wonder if the ones who whine about missioners making the "easy" isk are the same ones gate camping. To all those engaged in real pvp- and not gatecamping- We salute you you do realize gatecamping also is a main cause for getting a kill ****ing off someone, that someone getting their buddies.. and viola! you have a proper fight... i thought this wouldv been common sense. smrt post buddy... _________________________________________________________ Only once you've lost everything, are you free to do anything. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Navigator ([email protected])
Future Mutant	Posted - 2009.05.25 08:03:00 - [14] Im not saying it wont get you kill mails. Im saying its lame, takes no skill, and anyone with a few buddies can do it. Im not even saying you shouldnt do it- play eve however you wish. I am saying its the lamest form of pvp and if there was a special olympic pvp event- gate camping would be it
Jodie Amille Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.05.25 10:20:00 - [15] He never said anything about pvp in his OP. He said he was starting to pirate. Which is what gatecamping IS. I suppose you can actually try belt pirating if you don't mind roaming for 100 jumps and being content with ganking newbs that don't know any better It's not about pvp, it's about making money and ruining someone's day. --------
Rajere No Trademark	Posted - 2009.05.25 10:31:00 - [16] Originally by: Andreya you do realize gatecamping also is a main cause for getting a kill ****ing off someone, that someone getting their buddies.. and viola! you have a proper fight... i thought this wouldv been common sense. smrt post buddy... lol bs. I've never seen a single gate camp anywhere in Eve stick around and fight a gang, any sized gang, that would actually stand a chance of killing a single one of the gate camper's ships. 20man gate camps run from 10, 10 man gate camps run from 3. Of course nowadays around my neck of the woods atleast, gate camps of many shapes and sizes disperse when a single recon enters local. Don't pretend gatecampers are looking for a fight, you're looking to kill haulers and new players who don't know anything about scouting gates. The opinions expressed in my posts do represent my corp -------------------------- NOTR
me bored	Posted - 2009.05.25 10:46:00 - [17] Originally by: Future Mutant Gate camping is pirating now? Gate camping is the lamest form of pvp ever- think about it, a small group has almost zero chance of getting killed and almost 100% chance of killing their target. Assuming theyre not complete morons anyway. Gate camping is like fishing out of a bucket. Sure your going to catch whatevers in the bucket, but then again so could anyone else doing the exact same thing. Kind of makes you wonder if the ones who whine about missioners making the "easy" isk are the same ones gate camping. To all those engaged in real pvp- and not gatecamping- We salute you What the hell are you ranting about? Pirates are in it for the isk, not to give you good fights. Killing easy targets with the minimum amount of risk is what piracy is all about. Did you ever see tundragon in their prime? They did nothing but camp all day and ran for their lives the moment a real fight showed up but dear god you should have seen the booty in their hanger. Anyway to answer the OP's question, I'd use an arty cane with 2 sensor boosters. I don't understand why you wouldn't use a pest though.
AZN Steve Amarr	Posted - 2009.05.25 11:32:00 - [18] pulse harbringer with locking speed rigs use scout on the other side and an off grid safe spot
The WolfMother	Posted - 2009.05.25 12:53:00 - [19] I gate camp on a daily basis in lowsec, as a general rule you need at least 3 ships to camp, 1 to scout ( just an alt in a cloaky ship), 1 to tackle, usually a heavy dictor, and one to bring the dps, usually a command ship or BS. also when available, a rapier or arazu is a must as it's so easy for ships with mwds to burn back to the gate since the web nerf. If you are just going for the small targets, then a braodsword with dual SB should just about do the trick, especially since they nerfed the agility on smaller ships with the last patch back to how it used to be :) however it'll be difficult as the targets can easily run back to the gate if you havent got support. in reply to the guy who was wining earlier about gate camping being lame, we often get great fights out of our camps, however we don't hang about if we're about to get blobbed, it's amazing the tears the carebears shed when they spend and hour forming up a gang 2 to 3 tims our size, and then wonder why we're not on gate when they jump through :P
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.25 14:58:00 - [20] 95% of small scale pvp is around gates...so more or less gate "camping", weather for a few seconds or a couple of minutes is essential...that has nothing to do with being a pirate or not, ransoming, flying solo or in a small (even large) fleet... PVP ships fly PVP ships on gates most of the time... The rest 5% is around POSes and stations... If setting a trap close or around a gate is ghey PVP, what isn't? Probbing ppl in low sec deadspace? Station hugging? Killing lonely belt-ratters or miners? Should I wait to probe down an opponent in SS, otherwise face your accusations for an un-honorable kill ? Have u trolls ever played PVP in EvE ?
Neacail	Posted - 2009.05.25 16:16:00 - [21] Despite what was stated in this thread, most of my solo kills are not near stations or gates. This, however, means that unless I'm going after caldari militia, my targets are looking for a fight. Flying mostly quick ships (nano curse, nano cane, vagabond), I don't mind facing unfavorable odds. Anyway, assuming you just want to kill weak cruisers, haulers, frigates and destroyers, as you stated it, there are many ships out there to choose from. Even when in a Vagabond, if I see a T1 hauler or cruiser going through, I warp to the gate and try to catch it. Sentries take quite a bit to chew through even as little as 20k shield EHP. If you want to sit in the gate (not recommended for solo, tbh) and/or get a fair fight, you need something with a bit more tank. For Amarr and Minmatar, I recommend: Devoter - huge tank and will most likely be able to disengage and jump if a gang shows up. DPS is loltastic, but can kill most ships below T2 cruisers. Sacrilege - decent tank (will leave about 100-150 defence after tanking incoming sentry DPS) and decent DPS. Can kill a lot more stuff but probably won't last long after something with decent DPS engages. Broadsword - pretty much the same as Devoter, but might get worse tank if you fit a sebo or two. Good thing about this one is no cap boosters, which allows you to camp for longer and grab more loot. Hurricane - a dual MAR setup can tank sentries just fine, and you have enough mid slots for a sebo or two. Harbinger - won't last long under sentry fire but can gank haulers in seconds. Prophecy - will last a while under sentry fire, but the pitiful DPS might be a problem. Absolution - now we're talking. My personal choice. This isn't gonna catch any cruiser or frig that doesn't want to be caught unless you sacrifice the mwd for a sebo, but it will kill almost any BC even under sentry fire, and T2 cruisers that engage you thinking they can win will prove to be easy kills. Sleipnir - Same as absolution except it won't be able to sustain cap for long. Good if you just wait until something juicy jumps in then you warp to the gate, as if any backup arrives, the incredible burst tank will probably guarantee your survival. There are more ships, I am sure, but the above would be my choices of I could only fly these two races.
Don Z0LA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2009.05.28 10:35:00 - [22] Originally by: me bored Originally by: Future Mutant What the hell are you ranting about? Pirates are in it for the isk, not to give you good fights. Killing easy targets with the minimum amount of risk is what piracy is all about. Did you ever see tundragon in their prime? They did nothing but camp all day and ran for their lives the moment a real fight showed up but dear god you should have seen the booty in their hanger. What a bunch of bull**** crap. Obviously you never saw us either no matter was it our prime or not. We have run only if we couldnt do anything against some crazy odds and that meant a real blob against us.
howsjitatoday	Posted - 2009.05.28 15:46:00 - [23] A Cane with 2xSensor Boosters (scan res scripts) and a point should be able to catch Destroyers and up. Sometimes even slow aligning AFs.
Mystafyre Caldari Dark Materials Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.05.28 17:08:00 - [24] Originally by: Future Mutant Gate camping is pirating now? Gate camping is the lamest form of pvp ever- think about it, a small group has almost zero chance of getting killed and almost 100% chance of killing their target. Assuming theyre not complete morons anyway. Gate camping is like fishing out of a bucket. Sure your going to catch whatevers in the bucket, but then again so could anyone else doing the exact same thing. Kind of makes you wonder if the ones who whine about missioners making the "easy" isk are the same ones gate camping. To all those engaged in real pvp- and not gatecamping- We salute you Erm... Did you get podded lately? Real pvp... LOL... Internetspaceships honour... LMAO... Seriously... What makes you think that fighting at station or at gate is different from belts or celestial objects? Do you happen to realise that if you have 10 guys in the fleet and your opponent is alone...it doesn't matter where the fight is... So what do you think about the fact that goonswarm camped kenny's station, gates and systems for over month 23/7? Or what do you think of tactic called baiting? Is that real pvp? Where these people come from?
Mystafyre Caldari Dark Materials Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.05.28 17:13:00 - [25] Originally by: Diomidis 95% of small scale pvp is around gates...so more or less gate "camping", weather for a few seconds or a couple of minutes is essential...that has nothing to do with being a pirate or not, ransoming, flying solo or in a small (even large) fleet... PVP ships fly PVP ships on gates most of the time... The rest 5% is around POSes and stations... If setting a trap close or around a gate is ghey PVP, what isn't? Probbing ppl in low sec deadspace? Station hugging? Killing lonely belt-ratters or miners? Should I wait to probe down an opponent in SS, otherwise face your accusations for an un-honorable kill ? Have u trolls ever played PVP in EvE ? QFT
Thorian Baalnorn	Posted - 2009.05.28 17:50:00 - [26] Originally by: Future Mutant Im not saying it wont get you kill mails. Im saying its lame, takes no skill, and anyone with a few buddies can do it. Im not even saying you shouldnt do it- play eve however you wish. I am saying its the lamest form of pvp and if there was a special olympic pvp event- gate camping would be it awww did you die to gate camps a few hundred times? It takes no skill? on the contrary it takes alot of skill to gate camp and alot of b**ls. You figure your sitting at this gate and anything could pop through including a roaming gang which isnt all that uncommon. Your target may have friends in the next system.. etc etc. Gate camping can be as risky for the camper as the targets. Then you have the whole sentry gun issue. these things smart a bit. So not only do you have to worry about your targets fire( if any) and his friends you have to worry about sentry guns which hit at least as hard as a decent dps BC. Post less, pvp more imo. To the OP: Use a hic, broadsword works well( i use an onyx personally) Infinate scram at >26 km works wonders. my onyx tanks like a drake, hits like a HAM sac and scrams like well a onyx. I usually carry some pve ammo for low sec. after a kill or ransom i go rat a bit to help negate the sec stat hits and let my cap/shield recharge to full. when global is off back to the gate. Some prefer to sit at the gate permanently but i care about my sec status and tanking gate guns permanently puts you at a slight disadvantage.
Nova Satar Annihilate.	Posted - 2009.05.28 19:54:00 - [27] triage carrier

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