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Kaldaban	Posted - 2009.05.25 18:03:00 - [1] So my character has been entirely devoted to skilling up to fly a mainly T2 Vagabond. I could do with running some missions to raise some faction, so I would be starting with L1 and L2 missions. Am I wasting my time planning to run missions in a Vagabond? Would I be better in a Cruiser or training for a BC? I guess L3's would be tough, or would they in some ways be easier with me quickly circling my target at optimal for some measure of speed tanking? I am currently trained for T2 Vulcan AC 220's, but I am wondering if these are going to be the death of me if I get up close and personal with a clump of PVE frigates. Anyone else here fly L1/L2 or even L3 missions in a Vagabond or is it PvP only? Thanks.
Kaldaban	Posted - 2009.05.25 19:58:00 - [2] Was playing and came up with this, non-trivial cash but should should be cap-stable with 540 dps defence (with my crystal set) and 476 DPS damage. [Vagabond] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Power Diagnostic System II Capacitor Power Relay II Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Cap Recharger II 425mm AutoCannon II, Arch Angel EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Arch Angel EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Arch Angel EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Arch Angel EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Arch Angel EMP M Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Heavy Missile Capacitor Control Circuit II Capacitor Control Circuit II Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1 I am probably being dense. Should just go train up a BC right?
Potrero Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2009.05.25 20:18:00 - [3] L1 / L2 missions in a Vagabond... Are you kidding? People do these in a Rifter. Fully tricked out Rifter is, what, half a mil? L3 missions in a Vagabond. Not much better. I do these in a Jaguar. Fully tricked out Jag is maybe 10 mil. Vagabond does best when it makes it's opponents miss or do marginal damage due to it's speed. That doesn't stack up well against lots of cruiser-sized NPCs which is what you'll see in a L3 mission. Vagabond is not the tool for the job. You'll do much better with a much cheaper ship.
Lewyrus Jugis Modo Utopia Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.05.25 20:19:00 - [4] Vaga is for PvP. If you want to run level 3s, I'd say you'd be better off with a Hurricane.
Dimitrios Ypsilanti	Posted - 2009.05.25 20:25:00 - [5] Originally by: Kaldaban Anyone else here fly L1/L2 or even L3 missions in a Vagabond... Sniff, sniff... I smell a troll.
Warrio GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.05.25 20:42:00 - [6] Level 1, 2 and 3 missions only exist to get standing up for level 4s. Just train BS 4, Large Projectiles 4 and move on to level 4s in a Maelstrom. sXe
Essence Praetor Retribution. Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.25 22:01:00 - [7] Edited by: Essence Praetor on 25/05/2009 22:06:24 I on the other hand respect what your doing. Beware of conventional thinking and parrots with no crackers . . . If your willing to spend that kind of isk on a fit, this will indeed run LV 4's. But you will go through ammo like crazy. High: 220mm Vulcan II's, 1 True Sansha Medium Nos Mids: (complex) 10MN AB, 2 Caldari Navy Invul, 1 Caldari Navy Medium Shield Booster. Lows: 1 PDu, 1 DCU, 3 republic fleet Gyros. Rigs: 2 CCC II's Drones: 5 Hobgoblin II's Tanks 272 DPS on a cruiser sized hull with a speed of 957 + M/s. Resists are 90, 85, 77.9 81.6. With nos active (say orbiting a BS) cap last for 3 min 44 sec. Tweak this fit as need cause yes it is expensive . . . but then again so is any other pimped out mission ship. Dps is 497 (all damage types) You will go through ammo like crazy with autocannons, and you will run them slower then others do in Battlecruisers and battleships. That aside, this will tank all but the toughest Lv 4 missions and will break the tank of all but the toughest NPC's. Ironically you will likely find Lv 3's harder to deal with then lv 4's simply do to the size of the ships in these missions. If you cant solo it, bring a friend. And . . . it will teach you to master the ship you specialized in I don't think your dense, I say good show.
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice	Posted - 2009.05.25 22:13:00 - [8] Why in heavens name would it ever be a good idea to get 2.2 billion ISK of shield tanking stuff to do low level missions? I'd get a hurricane and just T2 fit it. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Essence Praetor Retribution. Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.25 22:20:00 - [9] Originally by: Artemis Rose Why in heavens name would it ever be a good idea to get 2.2 billion ISK of shield tanking stuff to do low level missions? I'd get a hurricane and just T2 fit it. Correction. Lv 4
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice	Posted - 2009.05.25 22:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Essence Praetor Originally by: Artemis Rose Why in heavens name would it ever be a good idea to get 2.2 billion ISK of shield tanking stuff to do low level missions? I'd get a hurricane and just T2 fit it. Correction. Lv 4 Bleh. I'm all for having style, but you could get a faction/T2 fitted Marauder and about 5-6 other ships that could do lvl 4s (AFs, Ishtars, w/e) if you get really bored of the pimp mobile.

Essence Praetor Retribution. Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.25 22:43:00 - [11] Forum war \0/ Wait wait... deep breath . . . and let me charge up me Epeen. O.K. now I'm ready to go!! Simply put, 100% specialization in any given (not fail fit) PVP ship = win. Some people simply don't want to (or like to) fly Battleships. You can thus rat in HAC's and make LV 4 like ISK in 0.0 and/or you can run mission in a pimped out HAC as I suggested above---and not loose one single minute of SP to ** you don't want to do and ** you don't want to fly. If he was talking about running lv 4's in an Ishtar we would not be having this "Bleh". But since most people of convention think that a vaga's can't run lv 4's they say that you shouldn't. Bleh to you sir. Bleh to you . . .
Von Kapiche Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.26 01:19:00 - [12] Um, to actually answer the OP, no you won't have any problems at all in L3s, you can do those in normal Stabbers let alone Vagas. Well mebbe if you got webbed & had full room agg from something like Blockade it might get a little interesting,but .. don't get webbed, it's not that hard. Some level 4s will be easier than 3s for a cruiser hull given BS don't really hit them that hard. On the other hand 4 levels of battlecruiser & medium arty spec and you've got a rather cheaper and arguably better mission runner in the Hurricane. "mainly t2"?
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.05.26 02:59:00 - [13] Doing lvl 4s with medium ac is stupid. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Kaldaban	Posted - 2009.05.26 09:00:00 - [14] Seriously wasn't a troll. I might be stupid, but not a troll... Thanks a lot for the replies. To date I have been 100 percent skilling to improve my Vaga PvP skills, which is why I am trying to steer away from learning BC, BS etc, which would in turn require learning other support skills including larger weapons, tanking skills etc. Sounds like L1 to L3 should be doable, maybe some L4 if they are light on BS's, massive attack for example. Going with faction rather than a complex SB would make it all a lot cheaper too.
foobarx	Posted - 2009.05.26 09:43:00 - [15] Originally by: Kaldaban Was playing and came up with this, non-trivial cash but should should be cap-stable with 540 dps defence (with my crystal set) and 476 DPS damage. [Vagabond] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Power Diagnostic System II Capacitor Power Relay II Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Cap Recharger II 425mm AutoCannon II, Arch Angel EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Arch Angel EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Arch Angel EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Arch Angel EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Arch Angel EMP M Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Heavy Missile Capacitor Control Circuit II Capacitor Control Circuit II Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1 I am probably being dense. Should just go train up a BC right? First of all, using medium autos in missions is not really advisable. The rats will mostly want to stay out of your range, so you're gonna spend all your time zooming from one end of the grid to the other chasing down your targets. Well, plodding, in your case, with no AB. I'll bet the missile launcher does more damage than all the guns put together. The Vaga is a fine ship for L2 and L3 missions if you already have one you aren't using for something else. But something like this would be more appropriate (you can add the Pith stuff back you really need to spend billions) [Vagabond, Arty Vaga] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II Reactor Control Unit II 10MN Afterburner II Medium Shield Booster II Rat Specific Shield Hardener X2 Republic Fleet 650mm Artillery, EMP M Republic Fleet 650mm Artillery, EMP M Republic Fleet 650mm Artillery, EMP M Republic Fleet 650mm Artillery, EMP M Republic Fleet 650mm Artillery, EMP M Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Projectile Collision Accelerator I Projectile Burst Aerator I Hobgoblin II x5 Note you'll be relying on your drones to kill frigs if they get close. Don't worry about cap stability too much - you should be able to whittle the incoming DPS down before it becomes a problem. Don't take the Vaga into L4 missions until you have a whole lot of more experience. You'll lose it for sure, and anyway a single mission will take forever.
Essence Praetor Retribution. Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.26 12:41:00 - [16] Edited by: Essence Praetor on 26/05/2009 12:46:12 Originally by: Essence Praetor Edited by: Essence Praetor on 25/05/2009 22:06:24 High: 220mm Vulcan II's, 1 True Sansha Medium Nos Mids: (complex) 10MN AB, 2 Caldari Navy Invul, 1 Caldari Navy Medium Shield Booster. Lows: 1 PDu, 1 DCU, 3 republic fleet Gyros. Rigs: 2 CCC II's Drones: 5 Hobgoblin II's Tanks 272 DPS on a cruiser sized hull with a speed of 957 + M/s. Resists are 90, 85, 77.9 81.6. With nos active (say orbiting a BS) cap last for 3 min 44 sec. Tweak this fit as need cause yes it is expensive . . . but then again so is any other pimped out mission ship. Faction will work just fine for then AB. Even a tech II AB EFT says gets near to 1000km/sec which is more then enough to speed tank multiple battleships. The fit I submitted can also be modded to be fully tech II (its not exactly a tight fit on a vaga) and it would still work. One last thing, some of these people here seem to be missing the part where I said the fit I posted can do around 497 DPS (all damage types) Your basic-max-skilled--rigged--PVE fitted mission drake with a set of meta 4 launchers does like 300-350 DPS with standard heavies. So your vaga can punch out more . . . Though lv 4's in a drake takes longer, it can clear any lv 4 solo say for Enemies Abound 5. And here is the kicker . . . it tanks better VS EM/thermal and all damage type missions then most non-pimped Raven fits. So will your Vaga The fit above gives 90% EM 85% thermal resists, tanks 274 DPS and does nearly 1000 M/S on a cruiser sized hull . . . maybe you should go live in Amarr and battle Sansha :P Also you don't have to run ever single mission your handed. You will learn which ones you can run and which ones you cant. If there are allot of tracking disruption in one tweak your fit and see how it flies. --Essence
Dimitrios Ypsilanti	Posted - 2009.05.26 16:50:00 - [17] Originally by: foobarx [Vagabond, Arty Vaga] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II Reactor Control Unit II 10MN Afterburner II Medium Shield Booster II Rat Specific Shield Hardener X2 Republic Fleet 650mm Artillery, EMP M Republic Fleet 650mm Artillery, EMP M Republic Fleet 650mm Artillery, EMP M Republic Fleet 650mm Artillery, EMP M Republic Fleet 650mm Artillery, EMP M Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Well, if he's going to do this, wouldn't he be better off in a Muninn? My primary beef with this post is that the OP wants to use 200 mil worth of ship to clean out an L1 mission worth maybe 150,000 ISK. Hell, the ammo in this setup is worth more than the entire mission! Seriously: There are a lot better ships for this kind of thing and all of them cost less than the Vagabond. - Rifter: 1 mil does L1 and L2 pretty easily - Rupture 10 mil does all L1 to L3 - Jaguar: 10 mil does all L1 to L3 and doubles as a fun PvP ship - Cyclone 30 mil may be too big for the L1 or L2 but performs well in L3
Dimitrios Ypsilanti	Posted - 2009.05.26 16:53:00 - [18] Originally by: Kaldaban 5x 425mm AutoCannon II, Arch Angel EMP M You will lose ISK on every L1 and L2 mission. You may break even in L3 missions.
Von Kapiche Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.26 17:05:00 - [19] He can do L1s with the Vaga's dronebay, no need for a Rifter :P and it's fine for L2s too. Hurricane for anything else imo.


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