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Ceralio The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2009.09.06 21:27:00 - [31] Edited by: Ceralio on 06/09/2009 21:27:19 Very bad service tbh :P, he stole ma state raven!
joladvergur	Posted - 2009.09.06 21:32:00 - [32] maybe hes trustworthy with a ship or item wothr 5-15 bills but he took a ship with 183 billion isk and stole it. As a neutral 3 party he should not let his personal feeling on things affect his work.... So as from now on i will never recomend him as a 3party and he is NOT neutral in any way as proven by him self..... ps hes allso a deuchbag that sat in his raven in highsec and smacked in local about pl not shooting him... we all remember f900
Turiel Demon Minmatar Shadow Reapers	Posted - 2009.09.06 21:51:00 - [33] He stole a massively expensive ship, that had been stolen by the other person a couple of days earlier? What then happened to said ship? Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.09.06 22:10:00 - [34] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 06/09/2009 22:10:41 I am also curious to know why there's this sentiment that just because soemeone has trillions this makes him immune to scamming. As for the State Raven, if I had an (understandable!) conflict of interest about it, I'd not accept the job. Does not take to be trillionaire to refuse (virtual) crime. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Kitchie Gallente Vikramaditya	Posted - 2009.09.07 05:49:00 - [35] This "scamming the scammer" subject has raised its head before when Cosmoray scammed his money back from evn7289. However, this one is a little more contentious as although SFS proudly admitted the theft, and therefore there's no question about it, F900EX claims to be a neutral 3rd party facilitator. At what point does "righting a wrong" become wrong in itself?
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.09.07 05:49:00 - [36] Well, that's interesting. First of all, does 2 wrongs make a right? Is a third party supposed to be a judge? The "incident" raises a lot of issues about how forum warfare might put third-parties in a situation where they become simple tools, thiefs.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.09.07 05:59:00 - [37] Originally by: Kitchie This "scamming the scammer" subject has raised its head before when Cosmoray scammed his money back from evn7289. Isn't the difference that evn scammed cosmoray directly, where SFShootme didn't scam F900 but SirMolle?
Kitchie Gallente Vikramaditya	Posted - 2009.09.07 07:07:00 - [38] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Kitchie This "scamming the scammer" subject has raised its head before when Cosmoray scammed his money back from evn7289. Isn't the difference that evn scammed cosmoray directly, where SFShootme didn't scam F900 but SirMolle? That's true but let's say that you were suddenly presented with the opportunity to scam ricdic for close to 200 Billion. You personally did not suffer that loss but the funds could be used to reimburse the rightful owners. Would you be tempted?
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.09.07 07:17:00 - [39] Thieves and scammers should not be guaranteed secure access to privileged services. +1 in favour of F90. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.09.07 07:36:00 - [40] Originally by: Kitchie That's true but let's say that you were suddenly presented with the opportunity to scam ricdic for close to 200 Billion. You personally did not suffer that loss but the funds could be used to reimburse the rightful owners. Would you be tempted? I wrote a very large response, and then I got logged out. Lame. But consider this: Cosmoray was the victim of a scam and stole the ISK back Ricdic scammed the community at large. Anybody hence could scam it back. SirMolle was the victim of theft by SFShootme. But F900 scammed it back. There's a difference between the first 2 and the last one. Take this example: You have noticed that your neighbor have gotten hold of expensive goods which your friend recently had stolen. You assume that your neighbor stole it from your friend. So you break the trust you have as the community person in your neighborhood and take those goods back to your friend, despite no official ruling being made on the rightful ownership of the goods. That's not OK as far as I'm aware.

Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.09.07 08:57:00 - [41] Quote: At what point does "righting a wrong" become wrong in itself? I know it's VERY easier said than done but at no point someone is entitled to become jury and judge and play personal police / vindicator. Even (after, not during the act as legitimate defense) when they kill your parents, as hard as it could be. Quote: Thieves and scammers should not be guaranteed secure access to privileged services. +1 in favour of F90 Alright but imho they should find a closed door, not a "trap". - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Siona Windweaver Placeholder Holdings	Posted - 2009.09.07 09:30:00 - [42] His credibility has been crushed to pieces for anyone that matters. Now that his reputation as a neutral third party is over, he might as well steal other things he has in his possetion due to his service. Unless you accept the 50% risk that your things might get stolen (ie you're drunk), I see no reason to continue to use F9's service, especially when there are other more trustworthy people doing this already. In any case, I'll get my popcorn ready for the next mom/titan thievery news.
Roguehalo Caldari RH Ship Brokers	Posted - 2009.09.07 09:41:00 - [43] I have ambitions to become a 'trusted 3rd party' eventually so I would like to state my position on this. If you are offering a 3rd party service then you have the right to decline any job whatsoever at your absolute discretion. However, if you accept a job, then the trust has to be absolute. No ifs buts maybes.......If you accept the job then you do it. The slightest deviation from this will at best, damage your reputation, at worst finish your '3rd party' career. Ok now I gotta go finish packing
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.09.07 09:46:00 - [44] So F900, Say that I was to use your service for handing over some billions worth of stuff. Seeing as I'm affiliated with EBANK, and is perceived as a thief to some, would you steal my stuff like you did to SFS?
Heroldyn	Posted - 2009.09.07 09:53:00 - [45] Originally by: LaVista Vista So F900, Say that I was to use your service for handing over some billions worth of stuff. Seeing as I'm affiliated with EBANK, and is perceived as a thief to some, would you steal my stuff like you did to SFS? You can instead hand over your stuff to me and then we'll find out what happens with it.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.09.07 10:20:00 - [46] F90 once blew me up and stole my Rocket Launcher Is. I'm glad that he has now seen the error of his ways, and look forward to receiving compensation to correct this most heinous theft. It's just not right.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.09.07 10:23:00 - [47] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 07/09/2009 10:23:41 Originally by: Roguehalo I have ambitions to become a 'trusted 3rd party' eventually so I would like to state my position on this. How can someone propose himself as trusted 3rd party when he refuses to be audited in public offerings? - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Roguehalo Caldari RH Ship Brokers	Posted - 2009.09.07 11:16:00 - [48] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 07/09/2009 10:23:41 Originally by: Roguehalo I have ambitions to become a 'trusted 3rd party' eventually so I would like to state my position on this. How can someone propose himself as trusted 3rd party when he refuses to be audited in public offerings? Hmm could you link where I 'refused' to be publically audited please?
W3370Pi4	Posted - 2009.09.07 12:44:00 - [49] some kind of announcement from him would be nice to know exactly what hapenned _______ Join the "Legit Trading"Channel Scam Free Trading Channel
Xtreem Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.07 13:23:00 - [50] im guessing he is trying to word something in an attempt to justify what he done.

Xious Caldari Phaze-9 Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.09.07 13:33:00 - [51] Originally by: Xtreem im guessing he is trying to word something in an attempt to justify what he done. Does he need to? You can look at this from two sides, neither of which will actually do anything to dissolve and/or diffuse the situation. He done what he did because he thought it was the right thing to do. He didn't take it for himself, yet you are all acting like he did. F90, all I'll say to you directly is that is not what people say, it is what you do that matters. ---------------------------------
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.09.07 13:41:00 - [52] Originally by: Roguehalo Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 07/09/2009 10:23:41 Originally by: Roguehalo I have ambitions to become a 'trusted 3rd party' eventually so I would like to state my position on this. How can someone propose himself as trusted 3rd party when he refuses to be audited in public offerings? Hmm could you link where I 'refused' to be publically audited please? You are too smart to downright "refuse", but for what I know you had 1 audit during the Mesozoic, then you even quit the game and returned and in the meanwhile everytime it was some excuse about "I have got it in the past" (like knowing your ages old assets and finances is worth something) / "this bond is not worth it" and so on. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Xtreem Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.07 17:40:00 - [53] Originally by: Xious Originally by: Xtreem im guessing he is trying to word something in an attempt to justify what he done. Does he need to? You can look at this from two sides, neither of which will actually do anything to dissolve and/or diffuse the situation. He done what he did because he thought it was the right thing to do. He didn't take it for himself, yet you are all acting like he did. F90, all I'll say to you directly is that is not what people say, it is what you do that matters. yes he does, the middleman is brought in for BOTH parties to ensure that the trade is fair and neither side gets short changed. can you honestly tell me he done that? regardless of the moral stance, he did not deliver a fair and neutral 3rd party service.
Bonhomme Carnaval	Posted - 2009.09.07 17:50:00 - [54] Edited by: Bonhomme Carnaval on 07/09/2009 17:50:59 So much e-drama. As far as I know, F90 was NOT THE THIRD PARTY, he was the buyer for the State Raven and there was no third party at all. Questionning his legitimacy when it comes to his third party service because of such an unrelated incident is like saying he can't be trusted because one day you flipped his corpmate's can and F90 blew you up (without reimbursing the value of your ship nor the ore! omg!!1) and gave the ore back to the owner. OMG OMG THIRD PARTY THEFT!!
Xtreem Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.07 17:57:00 - [55] even if he was the buyer, a 3rd party who is trusted with a 150+bil ship (after bidding on it publicly no less) and then runs without paying is not something that goes well for that service either tbh
Bonhomme Carnaval	Posted - 2009.09.07 18:04:00 - [56] Originally by: Xtreem even if he was the buyer, a 3rd party who is trusted with a 150+bil ship (after bidding on it publicly no less) and then runs without paying is not something that goes well for that service either tbh If you agree to sell me a ship for 180b and then trade it to me for free, I'll keep it. F90 however seems to be more honest and decided that it should go to the theft victim. If anything, that means he's not greedy with ISK. Insert more drama below.
JACKIE M00N	Posted - 2009.09.07 18:41:00 - [57] So it is noted, F9 held 183 billion isk plus 40-50 billion in fittings belonging to a consortium of investors that wanted F9 to lottery the state raven on behalf of them. AFTER he was safely in highsec with the State Raven, F9 promptly refunded 183 billion plus the fittings that where for the ship. Long story short, he held 237 billion in assets/isk of which 237 billion isk returned back to me.
Albiose	Posted - 2009.09.07 19:09:00 - [58] Breach of trust is breach of trust, once you take that step, no one can 'trust' you 100% again.
The Slagh	Posted - 2009.09.07 19:58:00 - [59] Lost my trust. Third parties should be neutral, etc.
fugazii Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.07 20:15:00 - [60] Originally by: Turiel Demon He stole a massively expensive ship, that had been stolen by the other person a couple of days earlier? What then happened to said ship? It was returned to it's owner.



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