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harogen Malevolent Evolution The Church.	Posted - 2009.05.27 02:14:00 - [1] We just went a week with a bug that caused repeated client crashes. Many moons ago, they changed Sansha ships and said if all went well they would do the same for the rest of the pirate factions.... still waiting. They changed the Naglfar after literally years of people complaining about it. What does that say about the rest of the hybrid weapon ships? Piracy, once advertised as a profession in the game, has been nerfed into oblivion --see the newest local flagging system (no, I am not a pirate). POS system was deemed crappy a long time ago by the lead devs yet we still have no overhaul, or even talk about details on an overhaul. The sad state of low sec has been ranted about for literally years so finally they decide to add some BS spawns. YEAH, THAT WILL FIX IT. I thought rigs were supposed to be cheaper? Still waiting for a 4th bonus on my assault frig. When do we get to beta test the World of Darkness graphics engine... er I mean ambulation? Then there was that great bug that let people create stuff out of nothing that went on for years. Oh, then there is that whole risk vs reward thing. roflmao? So what have they done? They updated the graphics engine which no one ever complained about and made it more difficult for people with weak computers and run linux to play the game (I have a monster computer, and I do like free, superior OS). Because that will increase client performance and reduce lag, rofl? They added WH space which no one ever asked for and finally after many, many years introduced t3 which is stupidly expensive and impractical in the current state of things. Even after the majority of the community pointed out the flaws in the system, the went live with it. But why would they do such things? To get more subs. Simply that. Pretty graphics makes new people play the game. WH space was supposed to be Eve's answer to group "instance" like content. Why haven't empire agent missions been nerfed despite the fact they completely break risk vs reward? Because CCP knows they will lose subs. All in all, this wouldn't bother me. Why would it? More players in an MMO is good right? The problem I have is the continuing bastardization of a game that almost failed but some hardcore players in 2003 kept it alive. Nearly all of those same players are disgusted with the current state of the game and have lost interest. CCP would say those players have quit and lost interest because they have played since 2003, not because the game isn't what it used to be. Many don't realize this game was created by a bunch of Ultima Online griefers. Some of the original Dev's even pirated on their personal characters, but I am guessing that is discouraged, if not banned now. You don't have to carebear up the game to get more subs. Maybe you can get more, faster this way than keeping the original direction of the game, but is not worth it. Screw the money, go steal your Ferrari. So like I was saying, Boost Frigate Damage. Thanks. ---------------------------------------- ohai! :D
Grez Minmatar Core Contingency Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.05.27 02:15:00 - [2] Edited by: Grez on 27/05/2009 02:15:58 More subs = more money = more staff = more stuff. Stop whining. p.s. You have no understanding of how software development works. Programmers != content creators. --- Grez: I shot the sheriff Kalazar: But I could not lock the Deputy BECAUSE OF FALCON
No Homo Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.05.27 02:17:00 - [3] eve is dying
harogen Malevolent Evolution The Church.	Posted - 2009.05.27 02:17:00 - [4] Originally by: Grez Edited by: Grez on 27/05/2009 02:15:58 More subs = more money = more staff = more stuff. Stop whining. p.s. You have no understanding of how software development works. Programmers != content creators. At what point was I complaining about content 0_o ---------------------------------------- ohai! :D
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.05.27 02:21:00 - [5] Join the club... EVE issues\|Mining revamp\|Build stuff\|Make ISK
Amitious Turkey Gallente Ammo Tech Inc	Posted - 2009.05.27 02:21:00 - [6] o/ first to say, Can I have your stuff? It's a game, and I, personally, still find it fun (been playig since 03-04). Bugs, aplenty, but they have a staggering game to deal with here. It's a careful balance between new content to keep interest and bug issues that make the game unplayable for some people. ...or was this a clever troll? I can't tell if that last bit is a sig or not. Originally by: CCP Navigator We love you all as well <3 Originally by: CCP Navigator Boo hoo. Cry some more. GO NAVIGATOR <3
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.05.27 02:30:00 - [7] pretty good post and accurate from my view, however its gonna be drowned out by fanboys and can-i-have-your-stuff parrots in no time, posting anything like this on eve-o (especially gd) is a wasted effort
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.27 02:38:00 - [8] Originally by: Gneeznow pretty good post and accurate from my view, however its gonna be drowned out by fanboys and can-i-have-your-stuff parrots in no time, posting anything like this on eve-o (especially gd) is a wasted effort I agree. I think the one thing I have come to realize is that CCP isnt centered on its player base needs/wants (short of bug fixing), but rather has its own decision makers. They shape the game, and the incentive is always profit. CCP is not a democracy. Now, I don't mean this in a derogatory manner, but it's just the nature of the beast. CCP is a business and will do what it thinks is best for its business...not necessarily what the customers want. _________________________ NERF CLONES!!!
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.05.27 02:44:00 - [9] How to get a lot more subs? Easy, expand the non combat side of the game. Mining needs a complete overhaul, currently it's ******ed, I know how I'd do it to make mining exciting and interesting but it's too long to write here. Give us some unique and original ways to sell and barter when ambulation comes, I think a marketplace would be a good idea, players can rent a stall or get a poster stuck on a wall somewhere. Eves economy would have to change, at the moment the entire ingame economy is all focused around pvp. It's all a means to that end in one way or another. The carebear doesn't necessarily want the stupid bigass pvp ship, they want the shiny. The shiny can be many things, their penthouse premium suite in the top deck of a station, a very expensive outfit, something that's hard to earn that makes them feel special, whether it's particularly useful or not. Find a way to make consumer products worth something to a player without creating new chores for them.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.05.27 02:46:00 - [10] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 27/05/2009 02:46:04 Yes CCP is a business, but their product also has a reputation to uphold. If Eve loses its image as a more hardcore alternative to other MMOs then it wouldn't surprise me at all if the subscriber rate started to fall as people came to see Eve as just a generic space game. Those people will instead send their money to whatever space-based MMO appears newer and flashier. Style will have won out over substance, and not in Eve's favor. By and large I agree with the spirit of what OP posted, if not all the details.
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.27 02:53:00 - [11] Bottom line: Until there is a viable competitor, CCP is safe....for now. _________________________ NERF CLONES!!!
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.05.27 03:03:00 - [12] CCP is lucky there is no actual competition for EvE. But the wakeup call will come at some point. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Shogun Archer Gallente Brotherhood of Soban CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.05.27 03:07:00 - [13] This pizza has mushrooms on it. I hate mushrooms. Still I keep eating the pizza. Don't all you other guys eating this pizza hate mushrooms too? Lets order some more pizza !!!!
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.05.27 03:10:00 - [14] Originally by: Shogun Archer This pizza has mushrooms on it. I hate mushrooms. Still I keep eating the pizza. Don't all you other guys eating this pizza hate mushrooms too? Lets order some more pizza !!!! Any SANE person in your position would take the mushrooms off first EVE issues\|Mining revamp\|Build stuff\|Make ISK
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.05.27 03:20:00 - [15] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Shogun Archer This pizza has mushrooms on it. I hate mushrooms. Still I keep eating the pizza. Don't all you other guys eating this pizza hate mushrooms too? Lets order some more pizza !!!! Any SANE person in your position would take the mushrooms off first Unless their that kind of mushroom, man.
Battlewagon	Posted - 2009.05.27 03:27:00 - [16] Originally by: Anubis Xian CCP is lucky there is no actual competition for EvE. But the wakeup call will come at some point. Ring... Ring... Ring...Ring... CCP better wake up soon: Fallen Earth Due out in Q2 2009, features a skill-based system similar to Eve in a post-apocalyptic setting. Heavy emphasis on player-based crafting and economy. Jumpgate Evolution Due out in Q2 2009, this MMO features manually-controlled space combat. This game could be very attractive to "pewpew" Eve PVP players. Star Trek Online Rumored to be released in Q4 2009, this MMO has an iconic sci-fi setting.
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.05.27 03:38:00 - [17] I think Star Trek online is the one to worry about, that game sure has me looking very interested.
My LittleFriend	Posted - 2009.05.27 03:43:00 - [18] check out EarthRise too. Not space based but sci-fi, full loot, full world pvp, claiming/defense of territory, mostly player market, etc.... i'm honestly just waiting for a reasonable alternative, 4 years of CCP has been more than enough.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.05.27 03:44:00 - [19] Edited by: Akita T on 27/05/2009 03:45:19 Originally by: Battlewagon Originally by: Anubis Xian CCP is lucky there is no actual competition for EvE. But the wakeup call will come at some point. Ring... Ring... Ring...Ring... CCP better wake up soon:[stuff] Nah, sadly, you're not right. There's no SERIOUS competitor for EVE's particular niche yet. Jumpgate Evolution is basically an arcade game in space. It's not even remotely encroaching on EVE's territory. Star Trek Online - well, it's in space, it's got POTENTIAL (although I kind of doubt that potential will be even halfway realized given the dev team they have), but again, not close enough to the niche EVE occupies. Darkfall could have been a (fantasy setting) competitor to some degree, but they botched it up so badly it's not even funny. There's at least one other (fantasy setting) game that could be a somewhat dorect competitor, but from the looks of it, it's heading on a similar path to Darkfall. Fallen Earth might be a somewhat reasonable competitor, at least in some ways, but the character advancement is GRIND-BASED as opposed to the time-and-attribute based, so that's a minus point for me from the start. Not only that, but "accuracy will be reflex-based" (so, yeah, twitch-based gaming, bleh), another big minus point. Oh, did I mention it's not in space and has no spaceships ? Yeah... And I bet there's plenty of other reasons which will become obvious after its launch as to why it's not going to be a direct competitor to EVE either. EDIT: Oh yeah, and Earthrise. Meh, who knows. I have a feeling it will be yet another Darkfall too. Infinity : The Quest for Earth could be a serious competitor... if it ever sees the light of day. It looks promising, but I'm not holding my breath for it to come to life any time soon. But... it's also twitch-based gaming. They might pull it off to some degree, and it's in space, with ships, and with some degree of customisation, NO SKILLS of any kind (so that's actually a plus) and a vast world... but you know... promises, promises... we'll have to wait and see what comes of it. So... no... there's no ANNOUNCED direct competitors for EVE's niche coming around any time soon. Now, I wonder about Blizzard's "super-secret-in-developement-new-franchise"... but nah, they wouldn't... would they ? EVE issues\|Mining revamp\|Build stuff\|Make ISK
Gealbhan Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.27 03:56:00 - [20] Originally by: Akita T So... no... there's no ANNOUNCED direct competitors for EVE's niche coming around any time soon. Now, I wonder about Blizzard's "super-secret-in-developement-new-franchise"... but nah, they wouldn't... would they ? Warcraft: Reloaded Originally by: Reven Cordelle What do I do? Well half the time, I'm an Orca Pilot - So absolutely sweet F/A except hit F1 and F2 - sit back and feel my ass grow.
Havohej Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2009.05.27 03:59:00 - [21] OP is way too long. "You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer
Drae Fokker Caldari Dark Nebula Academy	Posted - 2009.05.27 04:13:00 - [22] So basically, your position is that "ZOMG, NERF CAREBEARS SO I HAVE MOAR TO SHOOT AT K THNX CCP U SUCK" right? Long story short, that's basically how you've come across. One of the measures of a game is how well it can continue to attract new subscribers. Despite the fact you don't like changes making you have to work to be the top **** space captain of pew pew, it's the name of this game, being to adapt to new things. EVE Online is one of the few select games that have existed as long as it has. It's the only game in this list that has continued to adapt to new technology, and create a graphical brilliance rivaled by few games on the market today. Despite the fact PVP is something it does well, the market speaks for itsself. Everyone does NOT want PVP all the time, nor do most people want it some of the time. CCP saw this in the beginning, and made Empire space just for people who wanted to avoid PVP the majority of the time. You cannot have things you want all the time, and I invite you to attempt to make a complicated game balanced like CCP has attempted to do. THey are doing the best they can, with 300,000 different opinions being shoved down their collective throats at the same time. T3 is MENT to be a pinncale achievement, and the fact that it can be so imbalancing is one of the reasons that it IS so expensive. And WH Space adds another dimenson to the game that a lot of Non-PVPers wanted all along. To put a long story short, suggest what needs to be changed rather than mocking. CCP already has plans to release additional missions, a new storyline system to allow the players to immerse in the universe, ambulation, and others. In reality, the only MMO out there that will even approach EVE will be Star Trek Online. And even then, EVE will appeal to those players who seek an original universe without the ham that shatner brought.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.05.27 04:14:00 - [23] Originally by: My LittleFriend EarthRise Two faux pas, one cliche, and one wtf spotted on the frontpage: Ludicrously oversized weapon. Non-tactical hairstyle. Sexy female. Costume curiously similar to T'au Fire Warrior. Just my 2 whatevers. The screenshots are pretty though.
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.27 04:20:00 - [24] Dudes, KOTOR MMO is what Im waiting for. The amount of work going into the planetary artwork alone is huge. Different classes of characters, not just the overdone jedi/sith. Fly and walk around in your ship. just to mention a few things. _________________________ NERF CLONES!!!
RJ Nobel	Posted - 2009.05.27 04:37:00 - [25] Originally by: Akita T [ There's no SERIOUS competitor for EVE's particular niche yet. If, in your opinion, none of those games will compete with Eve, then what exactly is Eve's niche? What is it that Eve does that no other game could possibly offer? Even if we accept your concept that Eve has a unique and irreplaceable niche, that still doesn't exclude any other MMO from being a serious competitor. I believe that most players select an MMO because it's fun to play. Niche features might factor into the enjoyment formula, but I doubt that many players would reject a quality MMO simply because it wasn't in their chosen genre.
Aximag	Posted - 2009.05.27 04:43:00 - [26] Edited by: Aximag on 27/05/2009 04:43:17 To the OP: stop being a pu$$y and quit or shut up.
Arrogant Bias	Posted - 2009.05.27 04:53:00 - [27] I agree with OP; nerf Caldari.
Sir Substance Minmatar The Empire Nation Dead Mans Hand	Posted - 2009.05.27 04:57:00 - [28] 1. if you want to use linux, thats fine. the trade off is that nothing works properly on linux, because few commercial products are developed with linux as anything more then an afterthought. dont blame CCP for your poor choice of OS, you must have known this before you even installed linux. 2. CCP is a business, not a public service. they will modify the game in accordance with what makes them the most money. if you do not approve of this business model, please build a time machine and go live in communist Russia, see how that goes for you.
Ban Doga	Posted - 2009.05.27 05:51:00 - [29] Originally by: Aximag Edited by: Aximag on 27/05/2009 04:43:17 To the OP: stop being a pu$$y and quit or shut up. What is it with people that tell others to quit? Do you realize you're basically saying "Please reduce the profitability of this game I'm playing and support the competition"?! If just enough people keep saying this and enough people actually do quit, Eve will have a harder time to compete with whatever MMO is out there. And this will affect everyone playing Eve! Do you really want this?
Mad0ne Caldari Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2009.05.27 06:04:00 - [30] Edited by: Mad0ne on 27/05/2009 06:07:08 Originally by: Grez Edited by: Grez on 27/05/2009 02:15:58 More subs = more money = more staff = more stuff. Stop whining. p.s. You have no understanding of how software development works. Programmers != content creators. I agree with this guy. IMO it's really good that ccp is pursueing more profit and making game more interesting for wider "group" of people. Be it instances (like wh) or whatever haul my doll missions.... But at the moment it seems that CCP is going quantity over quality thing... I mean.. all these bugs and imbalances that existed when I started playing in 2006 are still around. CCP seems to just ignore these things. They try to balance ships around I dont know what... some dev wakes up in the morning "oh im so gonna nerf that or change this" without thinking what impact it may have at all. Like what the hell was wrong with falcon and bomber? Every other covert recon does not need "chance based **** do do smth" they just do and it works! Stealth bombers were excellent ships to scare away ANY covert reacon or even kill em... instead giving bomber just cov ops cloak, they made it to kill battleships, seriously wtf. One bomber is not enough to do it.. so take 10? WHY? I'll take 10 battlecruisers that are just same price - only damn difference is that they can pretty much kill everything. Then why the f bomber? Soon it will be curses turn to get nerf cuz it neuts just way too good eh? stupid clueless noob pvp-ers whine over things that they have no idea about. ----------------------------------------------- Limit cloaks to cloaking ships! Or Make covert ops`s to scan prototype and improved cloaks!!!

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