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Iona Ibis Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.28 17:48:00 - [1] Edited by: Iona Ibis on 28/05/2009 17:54:28 I have been playing on the mavens poker for a few days and i have found that they seem to think they can change the rules as they see fit without consenting to parties envolved. The scenerio was i sent isk to play on a big isk table with 6 players (i have always started and played tournies with 6 people at the table or even up to 10, i dont like playing with just a few peeps as par my gameplay style) and registered on the table as u do, i then went afk to make a cuppa while we waited for 1 more person as the table was at 5 out of 6, i then come back because i can hear the table start on my speakers only to find theres only 4 people so i started saying on the table that i didnt want to play and it wasn't right, so someone said if u dont want to play say now so i did and got ignored. I then continued to get yogo's attention (which he purposely ignored as he was talking to other people in the chat), and the response i got from the bankers and players was -: everyone thinks your a fool and you need to stop moaning and i need to grow up lol I mean seriously the bankers and especially the HEAD banker need to be trusted especially playing around with millions in fact billions of peoples isk. The high steaks tables always seemed a bit sussed to me tbh. I dont care if you lot all start flaming me, the fact of the matter is they changed the games stats after recieving my isk and registering on the table WIHOUT my knowledge and that is NOT right.
Alex Raptos Caldari Phoenix Rising.	Posted - 2009.05.28 17:51:00 - [2] Sorry but, "This is a case for the Internet Police!". Originally by: Dirk Magnum I've become gay for Mark Harmon despite my initial reservations about the show NCIS but nobody will ever know
mynnna Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.05.28 18:00:00 - [3] You left out the part where you *****ed and moaned like you were five years old or something. While your complaint might be valid, you handled it horribly and I'm glad you lost the game.
Gealbhan Caldari House CHOAM Terrebellum	Posted - 2009.05.28 18:02:00 - [4] Hmmm then don't play Eve Poker anymore? A lot (not all) of these kinds of things are rigged aka the house always wins. Originally by: Reven Cordelle What do I do? Well half the time, I'm an Orca Pilot - So absolutely sweet F/A except hit F1 and F2 - sit back and feel my ass grow.
Iona Ibis Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.28 18:06:00 - [5] Originally by: mynnna You left out the part where you *****ed and moaned like you were five years old or something. While your complaint might be valid, you handled it horribly and I'm glad you lost the game. that has come from a tru goon, always hating on people, im glad i spank ur ass with my alt daily
Faife Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.05.28 18:11:00 - [6] Originally by: Iona Ibis that has come from a tru goon, always hating on people, im glad i spank ur ass with my alt daily oh yes, the ol' my-alt-can-beat-up-your-alt routine. they'll fall for it everytime. --
Squat Hardpeck	Posted - 2009.05.28 18:13:00 - [7] Originally by: Iona Ibis that has come from a tru goon, always hating on people, im glad i spank ur ass with my alt daily I wonder why they didn't help you out or were so callous to you. Now I don't have to.
Iona Ibis Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.28 18:14:00 - [8] hehe when did foff go blue to goons ?
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.05.28 18:15:00 - [9] Originally by: Iona Ibis hehe when did foff go blue to goons ? lolWUT OFFLINE[ONLINE]
Alex Raptos Caldari Phoenix Rising.	Posted - 2009.05.28 18:16:00 - [10] Originally by: Iona Ibis hehe when did foff go blue to goons ? Because when you make an ass of yourself and people call you for it they're all Blue. Since when did the forums have a standings system? Originally by: Dirk Magnum I've become gay for Mark Harmon despite my initial reservations about the show NCIS but nobody will ever know
Iona Ibis Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.28 18:23:00 - [11] oh ye i forgot this is eve!, loyalty doesnt come into the equation. TBH i cant see why you are all saying im wrong and ganging up on me over a 200m rigged poker table. Unless its goons running mavens ? and erm yeah if u any of u was ripped off or felt like u was ripped off ur last 200m u wouldnt be too happy either.
DrJ Zoidberg EtE Clan Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.05.28 18:24:00 - [12] Iona, it's generally against banking policy to change the type of game or maximum players for a game after it's been posted. What usually happens with large isk games is that 2~4 people register, and then get impatient and ask to play it 2~4 handed, instead of 6 handed. If everyone registered agrees, this usually isn't a problem. I agree that you should get what you pay for, but I assure you no one is trying to scam anyone. Rather than come to the forums claiming so, you should send an eve mail to Selene D'Celeste detailing the situation, he handles any and all complaints and is the final word on these sorts of things. I hope this instance hasn't ruined your opinion of us, we strive to treat everyone fairly, but we're all human after all.
mynnna Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.05.28 18:28:00 - [13] Edited by: mynnna on 28/05/2009 18:31:52 Edited by: mynnna on 28/05/2009 18:28:40 Quote: Iona Ibis > oh shutup ,mynna u was one of the ones that asked for the game to change BEFORE checking with the other p;layers Funny, because Quote: Aoisana > wanna go for 4 way dt 210? It was someone else who suggested it. Quote: [ 2009.05.28 17:02:08 ] Iona Ibis > I DONT WANT TO PAY FOR A GAME, REGISTER AND THEN THE GAME CHANGE WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE NOW TELL ME THATS WRONG [ 2009.05.28 17:02:29 ] mynnna > lol. [ 2009.05.28 17:02:47 ] Iona Ibis > point made [ 2009.05.28 17:02:49 ] mynnna > its not wrong but everyone here thinks you're making far too big of a deal out of it. [ 2009.05.28 17:02:52 ] mynnna > oh yes [ 2009.05.28 17:02:54 ] mynnna > point made indeed. Quote: [ 2009.05.28 17:04:34 ] Iona Ibis > ahh ur just making it a big deal out of me cos im red to u [ 2009.05.28 17:04:40 ] Iona Ibis > i tink ill block Quite incorrect. I just when someone's acting five years old. My advice to you, Iona, would be to not go afk after paying money. Games changing from six to four people does happen from time to time, after all. Of course, paying attention to the games you've bought into shouldn't be a problem for you, since hey... Quote: [ 2009.05.28 16:56:32 ] Iona Ibis > YOGO iu wish u checked with all players in game b4 changing it [ 2009.05.28 16:58:42 ] Iona Ibis > this will be the last games for me You're not playing anymore. And yes, what DrJ Zoidberg said is how you SHOULD have handled it. You probably wouldn't have gotten laughed out of the channel if you had approached the problem that way.
Iona Ibis Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.28 18:32:00 - [14] Edited by: Iona Ibis on 28/05/2009 18:36:00 well... yeah DrJ thats why i was so angry, was because i had no knowledge and wasnt even asked and just at it started the said banker was active and ignoring me, i sent him a few evemails stating that it wasnt right changing the game without my knowledge and i gave him plenty of oppurtunities to speak to me in the poker chat and continued to ignore me while i was getting flamed by mynna and his croanies, so i havent got much nice to say to him added* hehe i like the way u have selectively taken 'parts' of the chat channel verifying my argument. I get u dont like me mynna now move on.
Iona Ibis Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.28 18:40:00 - [15] and btw i was afk making a coffee for about what 1 minute ? lol
isdisco3 Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.05.28 18:46:00 - [16] The title of this thread is misleading. If it were a scam, we would have taken your money. A more accurate title would be: "EVE Poker made me play a game i didn't want to" Also, our banker was at fault for not getting all players to agree to changing the game, and for that I apologize. His further failure to heed your complaints was also bad. I would suggest you mail selene about this issue, as he (she?) takes this kind of thing very seriously.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.05.28 18:48:00 - [17] This one time, next to the gatecamp, I had a Queen Flush, I went all above, and checked. Win a Wyvern mothership for 10M ISK

Lothros Andastar Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.28 19:01:00 - [18] Originally by: Chribba This one time, next to the gatecamp, I had a Queen Flush, I went all above, and checked. There we go. officialy vouched by Chribba!
THE L0CK	Posted - 2009.05.28 19:12:00 - [19] Man, when I first looked in this thread I thought to myself 'Boring,this will go nowhere', but I was wrong and this thread has reached epic. And why's it always gotta be about color with you Iona?
Iona Ibis Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.28 19:28:00 - [20] Edited by: Iona Ibis on 28/05/2009 19:28:37 Originally by: THE L0CK And why's it always gotta be about color with you Iona? While i was being flamed in the poker channel and on the table, i wondered why these people started on me and decided to gang bang me, so i looked at there names in the poker room and noticed they was all red >.< He started it Ma
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.05.28 19:38:00 - [21] Originally by: DrJ Zoidberg Rather than come to the forums claiming so, you should ....... lolz Wherever you went - Here you are.
Iona Ibis Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.28 20:42:00 - [22] Yeah i must admit i was mad at the time as i said earlier im sure anyone else would be losing there last isk in a fukd up way, but it isnt all the bankers fault like drj, i was mad and stuff and he was still placid, but some people in eve are so harsh its hard not to be mad.
Leopold II Lagavullin	Posted - 2009.05.28 21:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Iona Ibis and btw i was afk making a coffee for about what 1 minute ? lol Not that I was involved in this game in any way, but i was logged on at the time. I'm fairly sure that it took longer than one minute to decide to start with four players instead of six. I was considering joining the game, but decided not too as that would delay a game that had been prepping for about 30 minutes even further... IMHO there is no real difference between a 6way game and a 4way game, at least that is my expecience with EOH. I hope to play with you again on EOH though.
Stinky McPoopyPants Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.28 21:43:00 - [24] When 5 of the 6 ppl in the tourny are the same person it's not hard to win. cheating in eve poker is so so easy im amazed new ppl still come and play, amazed and happy with my easy winnings :) The batteries in your new TI-X30 calculator are capable of recharging by themselves. Do not attempt to replace them. Most importantly, how are you supposed to tell whether this is part of my post or
Lilin Black Serpent Technologies Aggression.	Posted - 2009.05.28 22:22:00 - [25] I personally stopped playing eve poker when I found one of the bankers doing contract scams.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2009.05.28 22:39:00 - [26] What kind of subject is that.. "made me want to play a game I don't want to". Noone forces you to do whatever you don't want to, that's a blatant lie. No clue wth this topic was intended to do, but the rest is irrelevant complains about something you should talk to the involved parties about, it's not for EVE forums. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Blake Ice Gallente INTERSTELLAR COLLECTIVE	Posted - 2009.05.28 22:43:00 - [27] Originally by: Stinky Mc**yPants When 5 of the 6 ppl in the tourny are the same person it's not hard to win. cheating in eve poker is so so easy im amazed new ppl still come and play, amazed and happy with my easy winnings :) This... is why I don't play EOH...
ThaDollaGenerale The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.05.28 23:24:00 - [28] Quote: high steaks The altitude is what makes them delicious.
Suey Syder Alpha Lima Tango INC.	Posted - 2009.05.28 23:24:00 - [29] Originally by: Iona Ibis I mean seriously the bankers and especially the HEAD banker need to be trusted especially playing around with millions in fact billions of peoples isk. The high steaks tables always seemed a bit sussed to me tbh. So you have a beef with the people in charge?
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2009.05.29 00:01:00 - [30] One word on privately run EVE poker tables; collusion. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.29 00:06:00 - [31] Edited by: Selene D''Celeste on 29/05/2009 00:12:43 Oh hey, free advertisement. Now on to responding to the many claims and fun random ** throwing that always happens in GD threads, in case anyone is here for information and not for the trolling opportunities! Originally by:** Iona Ibis the fact of the matter is they changed the games stats after recieving my isk and registering on the table WIHOUT my knowledge and that is NOT right. It is policy for bankers to ask for any objections before changing a game, and it seems this was done, you just weren't at the console. Unfortunately this happens, and it's not something we're going to refund as the winners were already paid out (I assume one wasn't you or this thread wouldn't be here). For more specific information on rules, refunds, and other info, please see http://www.eohpoker.com/ in the IGB or OOG. Originally by: DrJ Zoidberg Rather than come to the forums claiming so, you should send an eve mail to Selene D'Celeste detailing the situation, he handles any and all complaints and is the final word on these sorts of things. It's true. I run the place and I have for about a year and a half now. It's my job to deal with incidents like this. However I see there was no mail to me, and you came straight to the forums, which is a bit telling about how you handle things. Originally by: Iona Ibis Yeah i must admit i was mad at the time as i said earlier im sure anyone else would be losing there last isk in a fukd up way, but it isnt all the bankers fault like drj, i was mad and stuff and he was still placid, but some people in eve are so harsh its hard not to be mad. Normally if a banker is being an obvious jerk and there's not just an honest mistake, I'll not only talk to the banker and/or take action on this side, but occasionally there is compensation if the person who experienced the issues comes to me in a polite manner. Goes a long ways, sometimes.
AdmiralDovolski Gallente Nutz N Boltz Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.05.29 01:29:00 - [32] ^what he said. when banking, we ask to see if there are any objections to the game. I also find it rather humorous that a game with 4 players has the same odds as winning out of a game of 6, 50% split ftw. also, hi poker guys, nice to see faces again. stupid computer. EOH poker Senior banker, currently suffering from signerfitis
Iona Ibis Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.29 16:09:00 - [33] I wouldn't have cared normally and the odds is 50% if u dont know anyone else in the room but being thrown in a room with 2 people who clearly work together (also in same alliance), lowers the odds on a 4 person table which is one reason i didnt want to play with only 4 peeps. Still nothing i can do about it now is there, i got ****d up the pipe and left out to dry.
mynnna Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.05.29 16:52:00 - [34] Originally by: Iona Ibis I wouldn't have cared normally and the odds is 50% if u dont know anyone else in the room but being thrown in a room with 2 people who clearly work together (also in same alliance), lowers the odds on a 4 person table which is one reason i didnt want to play with only 4 peeps. Still nothing i can do about it now is there, i got ****d up the pipe and left out to dry. There definitely were not any two people from the same alliance on that table. There was me (GoonSwarm), you (Atlas), Aoisana (from "101010 Alliance", whoever that is) and Kermit, who if I recall is in MASS. Are you done throwing around baseless accusations yet?
THE L0CK	Posted - 2009.05.29 17:01:00 - [35] I would love to take Iona to Vegas, give him a cup of quarters, and document it for ~~the lulz~~ research. By the way, great thread and I love how you even changed the title to saying your were forced to play. I hadn't realized this company was so shady they actually send thugs direct to your house.
Iona Ibis Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.29 18:02:00 - [36] as i stated i was mad at the time and it wasnt fair to the whole mavens team when it was 1 person and since DrJ came in and so politely told me what i should have done, i changed the title of the thread. so put that in ur pipe and smoke it
SencneS Amarr Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2009.05.29 18:26:00 - [37] Edited by: SencneS on 29/05/2009 18:31:01 I've played EVE Poker before, nice but it's not exactly my cup of tea. If you can't afford to lose ISK then you shouldn't be playing. Amarr for Life
THE L0CK	Posted - 2009.05.29 18:34:00 - [38] I still trying to wrap my head around how somebody made you play a game that you didn't want to play. Was it telekinesis? Please say it was because that would be so damn cool.
CryHarder	Posted - 2009.05.29 18:35:00 - [39] Originally by: THE L0CK I would love to take Iona to Vegas, give him a cup of quarters, and document it for ~~the lulz~~ research. By the way, great thread and I love how you even changed the title to saying your were forced to play. I hadn't realized this company was so shady they actually send thugs direct to your house. Grammar **** Activate! your = you
THE L0CK	Posted - 2009.05.29 18:37:00 - [40] Grammar thread was last week, go dig it up.

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