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AxelFuller
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Posted - 2012.05.13 09:55:00 -
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With the new War Dec mechanics it seems like there is no consideration to players who wish to take part in PVE activity only.
It would appear the only option available to none PVP type players is to stay in an NPC corp or join a large enough Corp which is unlikely to get War Dec'ed because of the cost.
What happened to Eve being a Sandbox allowing players to choose what they want to do.
A typical PVE player example which is no longer possible
1. I want to play Eve for fun and be a carebear
2. I want to run my own corp for me and my buddies
3. I don't want to take part in PVP so i live in hisec
4. Just let me play the game how i like to play it and leave me alone
It seems with the new War Dec mechanics players who want to run small scale corps for fun and carebear activities are now going to be extorted indefinately by PVP gangs. Misions runner corps, Minign Corps, Incursion Corps, ect will now be prime targets for small scale PVP gangs to extort leaving the carebeasr with no option but to return to NPC corps and ultimately bring an end to the player run corp's for PVE activities.
Before all the PVPers rage that a carebear shouldn't be safe, please hold that rage for another thread and debate... carebears pay there subscription like everyone else and should be allowed to play the game as they wish without being constantly griefed by other players which is basically what the new war dec mechanics will bring and the only way to avoid that is to be in an NPC corp where you can't gain the same control with your buddies from having your own corp.
How about an opt out of PVP option, is it really that important that eve becomes a completely PVP based game where carebears and new comers can't avoid being targetted and killed?
The argument that a carebear can stay in an NPC corp is flawed becuase that carebear might want to run a 5 man corp with himself and his RL friends, so they can meet up chare a corp experience and do the things together they liek to do in Eve, simply saying to those guys right you now have to go and join an NPC corp to be safe is a little unbalanced in favour of the PVPers as that same 5 man corp will disband, join NPC corps and miss out on all teh features which were available to them in a small corp such as sharing hisec POS rights, corp management roles and leaders.
Finally this may sound liek a big carebear crying but i'm simply trying to work out how this new mechanic will be balanced in favour of all players rather than just those PVP corps who will now be able to grief carebears and extort them which is a little unfair considering they pay to play a game we all share. |
AxelFuller
Viziam
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Posted - 2012.05.13 10:04:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:There is an opt out, it's called station spinning.
As soon as you hit the undock button, you are agreeing to PVP
This is the exact invalid argument i wanted to avoid, it's a valid answer to this post but its not a solution to the problem inferno war dec mechanics will cause as listed in my OP.
Your mindless response does not answer any of the questions raised in my post but thanks for stopping by |
AxelFuller
Viziam
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Posted - 2012.05.13 10:07:00 -
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Aphos Starslicer wrote:It's just not that kind of game. Sorry.
Hmm its a sandbox, exactly what kind of game is it not? lol
Sandbox by definition is a game which allows complete as much freedom to its player base to choose a game style which suits them and entertains there own desires. |
AxelFuller
Viziam
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Posted - 2012.05.13 10:21:00 -
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Aphos Starslicer wrote:AxelFuller wrote:Aphos Starslicer wrote:It's just not that kind of game. Sorry. Hmm its a sandbox, exactly what kind of game is it not? lol Sandbox by definition is a game which allows as much freedom to its player base to choose a game style which suits them and entertains there own desires. You can't 'opt out' of a sandbox. I think you're mistaking the idea of what a 'sandbox' game actually is.
Your responses make no sense, i can opt out of PVP by staying in an NPC corp, there job done i no longer have to take part in PVP.
But why should this be the only viable option and i have to pay tax to that NPC corp for its preotection, that tax is ok i could accept that so lets ignore that point now as well and move onto the questions i raised in my OP which people are obviously not reading.
If i want to run a small 5 man corp for me and my freidns your basically saying do it at your own risk. ok so those same 5 friends join an NPC corp to be safe from pvp war dec greifers, now all that is happenign is that those 5 freinds dont get to share as much enjoment as easily as they could of done in a player run corp.
So there is an opt out option already its just a flawed one |
AxelFuller
Viziam
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Posted - 2012.05.13 10:23:00 -
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David Campbell wrote:Why is it so hard for some people to understand ??? It's not a game where you're supposed to be safe, it's a harsh universe where people get gunned down sometime for no reasons. At least with the war dec system, you have a 24h notice, you know who's after you and you have time to take defensive actions. Hell you can even call in reinforcements if your the one attacked.
If you wanna be left alone playing a spreadsheet game, I don't know go play sim city, or even better, open a real business. And that come from someone who mined for almost a year, so it's not like I'm a pvp is the only way to go kind of guy. I love the industry/market aspect of eve. You just can't ask for theses aspect to be deconnected from the rest of the game.
People don't understand it becuase they pay to play a game with mechanics which are broken, yes CCP want PVP to be a primary focus of the game, maybe thats true but really, how many of it's subscribers are carebears? |
AxelFuller
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.13 10:26:00 -
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I love peoples ignorance on these forums, i wrote a long detailed argument for reasons why the war mechanics are going to have both postitive and negative impacts on the game world and all you guys read was (PVP Opt Out)
Try reading an entire post before pointlessly barking this that and the other.
Can't be assed with continuing this argument it seems very flawed for people to respond the way you do so i'll just spend my tiem creating 500 alt accounts so the war dec is too expensive, peace out |
AxelFuller
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.13 10:33:00 -
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Aphos Starslicer wrote:AxelFuller wrote:[quote=David Campbell]People don't understand it becuase they pay to play a game with mechanics which are broken, yes CCP want PVP to be a primary focus of the game, maybe thats true but really, how many of it's subscribers are carebears? I imagine they would lose more subs if they started wrapping players of soft fluffy blankets. One of the key marketing points of Eve Online is the one universe, brutal sandbox. Eve is not a 'PVE' game, in terms that even if you don't shoot other players directly, you're still always competing with them on some level, be it running exploration sites first, playing the market or being that one who can afford to buy that navy faction ship someone has just made. Your idea is completely non-congruent with well..everything. The War Dec system was created to stop people hiding in corps in high-sec, and its only major complaint was that it didn't do that job enough. Thus the war-dec buff.
First reasonable response :) good opinion and kind of makes sense what you said.
So for the next question its going to cost the agressor 20mil + 500k per member in the defender corp to to hold up a war dec for a week. So joking aside i could create 500 trial account characters in a matter of hours therefore making it cost a minimum of 250mil to war dec my corp. This is another area where the mechaic is broken. |
AxelFuller
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.13 10:35:00 -
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I could also create 500 alt account put them in my corp and then go and be the agressor holdign small corps up for ransom money, pay me or die tactics when really im only a small team of friends |
AxelFuller
Viziam
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Posted - 2012.05.13 10:37:00 -
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Both my points 500 man attacking alts and 500 man defending alts all on trial accoutn sthe problem is the mechanics are not really true to the game becuase it's too easy for people to create fake scams with the mechanics and not follow through with legitamate wars which will still anoy the carebears |
AxelFuller
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.13 10:40:00 -
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David Campbell wrote:AxelFuller wrote:
First reasonable response :) good opinion and kind of makes sense what you said.
So for the next question its going to cost the agressor 20mil + 500k per member in the defender corp to to hold up a war dec for a week. So joking aside i could create 500 trial account characters in a matter of hours therefore making it cost a minimum of 250mil to war dec my corp. This is another area where the mechaic is broken.
You obviously didn't read the devblog carefully enough, trials account will not be taken into consideration while calculating the wardec cost.
Ok so on the flip side what is stopping me from creating say 50 trial account characters putting them in my corp and then war decing other small corps who will see I have a 50man corp and think twice about paying the ransom money or putting up a fight. |
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AxelFuller
Viziam
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Posted - 2012.05.13 10:46:00 -
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David Campbell wrote:The new war history maybe ? I'll sure think twice before giving even 1 ISK to 50 man corp who dec me but haven't shot at a single ship ever.
Is War history confirmed for this patch? i seen on the fanfest videos that it was in development but not going to make inferno? |
AxelFuller
Viziam
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Posted - 2012.05.13 10:50:00 -
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Cheese :) |
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