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RubyPorto Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1493	Posted - 2012.05.14 05:46:00 - [1] - Quote Fine. Opt out of PvP. But that includes opting out of Market PvP etc. This means you opt out of: 1) Using the Market window at all (except NPC sell and buy orders) 2) Using the station trade window 3) Using jetcans (or those cans you use cannot be accessed by anyone else) 4) Using contracts 5) Sending money via the wallet 6) Using non-infinite resources (mining roids, doing complexes or anomalies, belt ratting) 7) Appearing or talking in Local (no invulnerable afk sitting) 8) Seeing other players (can't have this being abused by spies) 9) Ever escaping these restrictions once you In other words, play on SISI if you want to opt out of PvP, cause everything that you do on Tranquility involves or affects other players. Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
RubyPorto Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1493	Posted - 2012.05.14 06:14:00 - [2] - Quote AxelFuller wrote: Aphos Starslicer wrote: It's just not that kind of game. Sorry. Hmm its a sandbox, exactly what kind of game is it not? lol Sandbox by definition is a game which allows as much freedom to its player base to choose a game style which suits them and entertains there own desires. Yes, it's a Multiplayer Sandbox. You can do whatever you want, everyone else can do whatever they want. When the wants of you and another player collide, you get PvP. This guy explains it really well. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=482176#post482176 Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
RubyPorto Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1509	Posted - 2012.05.16 08:13:00 - [3] - Quote bongsmoke wrote: Jack Miton wrote: There is an opt out, it's called station spinning. As soon as you hit the undock button, you are agreeing to PVP LOL Like leaving your house, you agree to get raped in an alley by thugs..... Your wit is obviously unmatched. Such wisdom and in-site. If only everyone had your views..... lawl No, you don't, but you run the risk of it. And if it does happen, the police will be there to punish the criminals. They will not be there to prevent it. But that's beside the point, since this is a GAME and is marketed as a MULTIPLAYER, PvP Interaction* focused, GAME. So equating getting ganked with being raped is in the worst of taste and pretty inaccurate. Note that I say PvP Interaction. This doesn't mean that I'm only talking pewpew in space. This includes Scamming (EBANK got and continues to get a ton of cool press for CCP), market PvP, espionage (the various Spy hits butan, news at 11 stories are more good recruiting material for CCP). Even Incursions were designed to encourage PvP (in the form of competing for sites). If you came to this specific game for an experience that doesn't involve interplayer conflict resolution in all forms, you came to the wrong game. So sorry. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
RubyPorto Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1515	Posted - 2012.05.16 21:10:00 - [4] - Quote bongsmoke wrote: ALTPOSTING BLURF Post with your main if you're gonna call people on not posting with their main. Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
RubyPorto Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1523	Posted - 2012.05.17 20:42:00 - [5] - Quote Daemon Ceed wrote: EvilweaselSA wrote: Flurk Hellbron wrote: Eve online is NOT PVP............... try to shoot random ship in 0.5 - 1.0 sec...................... ive done this a lot usually, the ships i shot at blew up its great fun What people tend to not understand is that nearly everything outside of running missions is pvp. Running Missions is PvP as well, assuming you sell faction gear or buy things with your ISK. Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
RubyPorto Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1525	Posted - 2012.05.18 06:15:00 - [6] - Quote Five Thirty wrote: Non-consensual ship to ship combat. Is that simple enough for you gankbears? EvE is all about any sort of Player vs Player interaction. Especially non-consensual interactions. This explicitly includes non-consensual ship to ship combat. Concord in HS is there to provide consequences to someone who commits an unprovoked act of aggression. Gate and Station guns in LS is there for the same reason. Repeat after me: HiSec is not, has never been, and has never been intended to be a safe place. CCP has never advertised any part of EvE as "safe." You joined this game with full knowledge that this sort of thing is possible and encouraged. Why are you trying to change the fundamentals of a game that other people enjoy when you knew what those fundamentals were when you started? Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
RubyPorto Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1528	Posted - 2012.05.18 08:03:00 - [7] - Quote Daemon Ceed wrote: Now can we all grow a sac, end this discussion, and get back to work? Not before I tell the Carebears one more thing... ... you know, why don't I let CCP Guard tell them. Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
RubyPorto Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1533	Posted - 2012.05.18 11:37:00 - [8] - Quote Vaju Enki wrote: Five Thirty wrote: Non-consensual ship to ship combat. Is that simple enough for you gankbears? Their no such thing has non-consensual ship to ship combat in EvE Online, you make it consensual as soon as you login the game. Be fair, you'd be pissed too if you got your boat violenced while docked in station. Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 1544	Posted - 2012.05.19 10:47:00 - [9] - Quote AxelFuller wrote: 1. I want to play Eve for fun and be a carebear 2. I want to run my own corp for me and my buddies 3. I don't want to take part in PVP so i live in hisec 4. Just let me play the game how i like to play it and leave me alone Just noticed #2. Being in a Player Corp, and getting all the attendant organizational and morale benefits thereof is your way of saying to the rest of EvE: "Hey, I've put my Big Boy Pants on now, and I'm ready to interact with the rest of the Players in a bigger way." This means wardecs, big boy. The CHOICE to participate in a Player Corp comes with Benefits and Risks. You Risk Wardecs, and gain the Benefits of being in a Player Corp (POSes, Corp Hangars, the Pod Express, Corp Channels, and Tax Isk). Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 1559	Posted - 2012.05.21 00:34:00 - [10] - Quote Dominic Braga wrote: Of course there is an opt-out, just stop playing EVE like I have. Most of the player base doesn't want us carebear types around, apparently, and CCP is mostly indifferent. So, why bother staying? Then why are you still here? Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.

RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 1562	Posted - 2012.05.21 11:24:00 - [11] - Quote Kroenan wrote: If EVE is such a sandbox then why are the benefits so heavily stacked towards PVP? PVP ships can be both cheaply trained and bought. That isnt sandbox, that is proactively encouraging PVP through the dynamics of the game. The fact is that CCP love PVP players. PVP players are most likely to fund 2+ accounts and make their playerbase look good and bring more RL cash to balance books. Build a 5 man corp and close it the minute you get wardecced and start over again. Its a pain but if its the same folks griefing you they will probably give up in the end. Its not an ideal workaround but its the only one available and part of the way the game works. I quit originally because because I was part of a medium sized corp that was consistently wardecced and 90% of the time i couldnt play because there were red tags everywhere. People have set up external comms and websites and dont bother setting up ingame corps, which is another alternative. Being in a Player Corp means that you have stood up, taken off your diaper, and put on your big boy pants to say to the rest of EvE: "Hey, you, come and Get Me. I'm done hiding under the skirts of the NPC corps." In other words, you gain the benefits of a Player corp (Taxes going somewhere instead of the void, easy channel management, corp hangars, POSes, etc) only at the cost of the risk of wardecs. If the Cost (wardecs) exceeds the benefits, you shouldn't have stood up with your big boy pants on, cause you've gone and soiled yourself again, so it's time to wipe yourself off and go back to the Pampers for a little longer. Eve is a MULTIPLAYER sandbox. You can do whatever you want; the game will not stop you. Other players can do whatever they want; the game will not stop them. Sometimes, what they want will interfere with what you want. That's what we in the biz call PvP. Sometimes it's market, sometimes political, sometimes forum, and sometimes it's even violencing people's boats. Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 1563	Posted - 2012.05.21 20:53:00 - [12] - Quote Angelice wrote: Absolutely there should be no safe haven for carebears but I have to agree with the OP that the new mechanics are seriously flawed if they are left as is. There is no consideration for griefer war decs where there is no point sitting on a station waiting for eternity to kill an alt who will never undock. Hopefully they will clear up the mess of war decs rubbing off on pickup fleet logis to compensate. I think I remember them mentioning something along those lines in the FanFest keynotes... If the attacker isn't bothering to prosecute the wardec, how are they causing you problems? "Fixing" the pickup fleet logi thing means making Logiing an attackable target not give you an aggro time. That's stupid. Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 1567	Posted - 2012.05.22 20:02:00 - [13] - Quote Boogie Jones wrote: AxelFuller wrote: i can opt out of PVP by staying in an NPC corp Uh no. It's called suicide ganking. I hear it's pretty cool. Shh, be vewwy vewwy quiet, I'm hunting whiners. Huh, I guess even mr Fudd thinks miners are... Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 1575	Posted - 2012.05.23 09:03:00 - [14] - Quote wwwkiacc wrote: CCP want we kill each other so CCP can make big profit from plex=$$$ all for $$$ Yep, CCP wants players to create content through their interactions in a multiplayer sandbox environment in order to entice players to continue paying to keep said multiplayer sandbox environment running and evolving. How ebil . Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.

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