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Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.05.30 23:24:00 - [1] Edited by: Nova Fox on 30/05/2009 23:27:42 This is aimed at all the people saying it takes away developers Ambulation has a very small team working on it last time we're told. Mostly content generators the same sort of people complained about mostly instead of fixing things then again these people are mostly armed with 3d max, corel painter, CS4 and Wacoms 21s. The team is probably comprised of a manager/project lead along with a graphics programmer and networking monkey to make sure players can easily transfer from ambulation to Eve. I'm sure all of these developers work in the same building as everyone else, and im sure they're not exclusive use only. I'm sure if the graphics programmers where having a problem they can barrow the ambulation guy for is points of view of what might be wrong. If networking is having an issue I'm sure they do the same, but chances are they sent capable individuals to help develop ambulation but not expert enough to bother with every single problem they might run into thus forth they get alot of time to develop ambulation. However... They may have sent the top experts tehre instead reasoning why its been constantly delayed over the three years. If you guys really wanna complain you should look at the guys they gave out to develop the First Person Shooter. Thats going to take about 30-40 people minimal. Or the other MMO World of Darkness thats another 30-40 developers. Ultimately there is one thing you gotta realize though through all this, Ambulation is comming no matter how much you complain, they need it badly to test the engine out for the other game they are making. So what do you do about it? You should probably complain about the content that they are putting into ambulation, you'll have better luck there. and if you're really into space ships There are dozens of less than desirable ships out there not meeting par at all that are in good need of complaining, the new general concenus I'm getting is how tech 2 is overprices for what underpreformance most of them give out. And of course tech 3 woes. And minmatar not doing to well in most bouts and how missiles are still not working as intended against faster targets. and no TlDR for you guys. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 25MAY09
Muhammed Jafar	Posted - 2009.05.30 23:25:00 - [2] Edited by: Muhammed Jafar on 30/05/2009 23:26:37 Ambulation is a myth. Everyone just drop it already, its not gonna happen.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.05.30 23:29:00 - [3] Originally by: Muhammed Jafar Edited by: Muhammed Jafar on 30/05/2009 23:26:37 Ambulation is a myth. Everyone just drop it already, its not gonna happen. Planetary Interaction is more of a myth than ambulation, we at least seen new ambulation pictures and videos every year, when was the last plentary interaction ingame picture? last one was two years ago photoshopped in. We had alot of paintings about it since then and new concept art for it but thats it as much as I would love to command tanks and battilltions on planets I doubt Ill see that anytime soon. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 25MAY09
Grek Forto Malevolent Intentions	Posted - 2009.05.31 00:01:00 - [4] applause I agree, everyone should stop whining about ambulation. Originally by: Stitcher It's "Caldari", not "Caldarians". One Caldari, three Caldari, all the Caldari are doing Caldari things using Caldari tools in a Caldari way.
Mister Xerox	Posted - 2009.05.31 00:03:00 - [5] Because it's not at all needed in the game. It's about space, not stations. Not about person to person interraction, but the interraction of ships in space. Also, under their current ideas it's set up to be, essentially, Second Life in space without the LindEx. if you want face to face, go play WoW, or Counterhack, or any other MMO. Eve is for space, leave it that way.
Draeca Tharri and Co.	Posted - 2009.05.31 00:30:00 - [6] Originally by: Mister Xerox It's about space, not stations. But those stations are in space, aren't they? Maybe we should remove market too because it's not about spaceships either. Or even better, maybe you should go play some other space game that's all about flying because eve is a whole friggin' player run universe, not just some funny space ships, and ambulation adds even more immersion to it. Now stop whining, ambulation is fine and great and I'm really looking forward to setting up my own little shady shop on some remote lowsec station. And while you're at it, CCP, can we have manual docking/undocking too? I wanna fly that ship out of the station with realistic space flightmodel instead of just pushing the undock button
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.31 00:38:00 - [7] Originally by: Mister Xerox Because it's not at all needed in the game. It's about space, not stations. Not about person to person interraction, but the interraction of ships in space. Also, under their current ideas it's set up to be, essentially, Second Life in space without the LindEx. if you want face to face, go play WoW, or Counterhack, or any other MMO. Eve is for space, leave it that way. funny how some people know what is "needed" in game. EVE is what CCP makes it to be, not what you want it to be. EVE is also a social environment given it's an MMO.
Joe Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.	Posted - 2009.05.31 00:52:00 - [8] Originally by: Mister Xerox Because it's not at all needed in the game. It's about space, not stations. Not about person to person interraction, but the interraction of ships in space. More importantly, it has nothing todo with the backstory. we're pod pilots, litrially the most elite people in the Galaxy, the richest people in the galaxy, capable of clonejumping across the universe becuase of Pod technology. Ambulation works on the premise that for some reason, I would risk my immortality, to have a beer in a pub. Have a read of that last sentence again. We are litrially being forced to Beta test the "world of darkness" mmorpg engine, in a game where it simply doesnt make sense.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2009.05.31 00:55:00 - [9] It's taking too long! My bellbottoms are going out of style. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.	Posted - 2009.05.31 01:01:00 - [10] wambulation ----------------------------------- ccp fix mining agent missions % pls

Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.05.31 01:02:00 - [11] Been reading more and more stories lately, it seems we are able to clone while outside of our pods now. One recent example was a story about a pod pilot who had a bad clone accident and was unable to fly anymore or do most of the things regular pod pilots could do, during that time he considered mortallity despite a fix being provided that would rob his experince as a lesser god and he would have chosen it if his fiancee didnt kill him knowing full in fact that all his memories since the clone accident would be erased. So ultimately we are immortal still outside the pods. Also if you delved into back story enough, Pod pilots get thier own special section of the station, where only the most trusted non pats are allowed into. So back story is a lame excuse. Yes I know we are alphaing another mmo ccp wants to compete, they need more income of course or they would suffer from the egg in the basket complex, I mean if eve for unknown reasons where to decline ccp would have to struggle for a new product. Eve is really about humans, not spaceships, spaceships are merely tools in our behavior, the woton desire to others fail and for us to succedde though superior amounts of combat knowledge and pertty light shows. If you're really worried about Ambulation being second life then start complaining about that, start complaining about makimg ambulation's purpose more meaningful. Start complaining about features you really want to seperate it from the other facetime mmos. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 25MAY09
Lt Shard United Trade Coalition	Posted - 2009.05.31 01:10:00 - [12] Originally by: Nova Fox Been reading more and more stories lately, it seems we are able to clone while outside of our pods now. One recent example was a story about a pod pilot who had a bad clone accident and was unable to fly anymore or do most of the things regular pod pilots could do, during that time he considered mortallity despite a fix being provided that would rob his experince as a lesser god and he would have chosen it if his fiancee didnt kill him knowing full in fact that all his memories since the clone accident would be erased. So ultimately we are immortal still outside the pods. Also if you delved into back story enough, Pod pilots get thier own special section of the station, where only the most trusted non pats are allowed into. So back story is a lame excuse. Yes I know we are alphaing another mmo ccp wants to compete, they need more income of course or they would suffer from the egg in the basket complex, I mean if eve for unknown reasons where to decline ccp would have to struggle for a new product. Eve is really about humans, not spaceships, spaceships are merely tools in our behavior, the woton desire to others fail and for us to succedde though superior amounts of combat knowledge and pertty light shows. If you're really worried about Ambulation being second life then start complaining about that, start complaining about makimg ambulation's purpose more meaningful. Start complaining about features you really want to seperate it from the other facetime mmos. Good read :o _________________________ Yes, I know the Titan is small in my sig.
Adeline Grey	Posted - 2009.05.31 01:22:00 - [13] Because we don't want ambulation.
Vishere Rykane Minmatar Midnight Enterprises	Posted - 2009.05.31 01:27:00 - [14] Originally by: Adeline Grey Because we don't want ambulation. You don't. I do. Click for gallery!
Xen Gin Solar Excavations Ultd. Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.31 01:29:00 - [15] Originally by: Vishere Rykane Originally by: Adeline Grey Because we don't want ambulation. You don't. I do. Indeed, I for one welcome our new Ambulation Overlords of Carebearage!
Pnandor	Posted - 2009.05.31 01:33:00 - [16] and those who complain are isk sellers of course! I won unpack your bags and go home
Haakelen Gallente REUNI0N Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.05.31 01:57:00 - [17] Edited by: Haakelen on 31/05/2009 01:57:30 Humans will complain about anything, and humans are a leading demographic in Eve. Supposedly.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.05.31 02:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Haakelen Edited by: Haakelen on 31/05/2009 01:57:30 Humans will complain about anything, and humans are a leading demographic in Eve. Supposedly. I been voulentold by the eve community to count as non human in alot of occasions so I make up the minority demographic I guess. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 25MAY09
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.31 02:07:00 - [19] Confirming I'm gay for ambulation Pomp FTW!!!
Dario Wall Caldari Corvus Industries	Posted - 2009.05.31 02:16:00 - [20] Isn't it also true that ambulation is a completely optional install to the client? So if people don't want to use it, then they don't need to bother installing it. I can't remember where I read it from, but people shouldn't complain about something that could draw many more players to EVE which would help further CCP's income allowing them to hire even more devs to work on your shiny little spaceships.

Steve Cain Guardians of the Void Irano Research Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.31 02:35:00 - [21] Edited by: Steve Cain on 31/05/2009 02:41:27 Originally by: Mister Xerox Because it's not at all needed in the game. It's about space, not stations. Not about person to person interraction, but the interraction of ships in space. Also, under their current ideas it's set up to be, essentially, Second Life in space without the LindEx. if you want face to face, go play WoW, or Counterhack, or any other MMO. Eve is for space, leave it that way. Splendid! It seems the Eve community has finally evolved to the point where they don't need the devs to tell us what Eve is about! Far too long have we listened to CCP telling us what they envisioned their game to be, and no longer do we need them! Honestly, do you people really want to continue to play something that will eventually turn out to be a prettier version of that Asteroids game? Sooner or later it'll get boring just being a ship and people will want more. And it's not just Ambulation we're talking about, first we introduce Ambulation and then that gives people more ideas (such as planetary interaction) which when introduced will turn into more ideas and more expansions and the game continues to grow, instead of filling the MMORPG community with the rotting stench of a game gone bad. And let us not forget the RPG part of MMORPG, what do they get? So far there's chronicles and news articles but they don't let people really see much. With Ambulation the Caldari can finally scowl at the Gallente and the Amarrians can sit atop their golden thrones whipping slaves. And Traders? they mostly see the game as spreadsheets, wouldn't it be much nicer for them to sit in a mahogany rich office delegating tasks to underlings from behind a very large imposing desk? To have their NPC underlings filter out the undesirables so that they can manage the market in style? I certainly think so. Edit: Originally by: Joe Ambulation works on the premise that for some reason, I would risk my immortality, to have a beer in a pub. I think you give humans too much credit. Do you really think that mankind would give up all the simple pleasures of life for immortality? Beer? Gambling? Sex? It wouldn't happen, if I had to climb out of my gooey pod that shocks me painfully whenever I turn a shield booster on just so I could enjoy real food, I think I'd do it.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2009.05.31 09:31:00 - [22] Originally by: Haakelen Edited by: Haakelen on 31/05/2009 01:57:30 Humans will complain about anything, and humans are a leading demographic in Eve. Supposedly. You're wrong, the achura are. Delenda est achura.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.05.31 09:39:00 - [23] According to all the boosters functioning a ship is very unpleasant. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 25MAY09
JeanPant Man	Posted - 2009.05.31 10:50:00 - [24] I cant wait to do stuff in stations :)
The Wintersmith	Posted - 2009.05.31 11:34:00 - [25] Its use is optional, if you don't like it, dont clutter up the station.
Jagga Spikes Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.05.31 11:40:00 - [26] Originally by: Steve Cain ... Do you really think that mankind would give up all the simple pleasures of life for immortality? Beer? Gambling? Sex? It wouldn't happen, if I had to climb out of my gooey pod that shocks me painfully whenever I turn a shield booster on just so I could enjoy real food, I think I'd do it. yes. you are forgetting one thing. most stats in game are game balanced. crossing solar system within seconds? interstellar distances instantaneously? not going to happen. all these are for player's convenience. in EVE's reality, pod pilots do spend most of their lives within pods. beer? pod can provide whatever chemicals are desired. gambling? we do it all the time, with MUCH higher stakes. sex? direct neural stimulation, not necessarily computer generated. or did you mean reproduction? you build your offspring to exact specification, if you wish so. don't be limited by 21st century perception.
Nir Draturiss Amarr Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2009.05.31 11:42:00 - [27] Originally by: Mister Xerox Because it's not at all needed in the game. It's about space, not stations. Not about person to person interraction, but the interraction of ships in space. Also, under their current ideas it's set up to be, essentially, Second Life in space without the LindEx. if you want face to face, go play WoW, or Counterhack, or any other MMO. Eve is for space, leave it that way. No, EVE is what CCP wants it to be, so leave it that way. My Actions. my Sacrifices. my Life and my Death...are only for You, my God...my Eternal - oath of a long forgotten Khanid Knight.
Cozmik R5 Minmatar Chaosstorm Corporation Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2009.05.31 12:13:00 - [28] Please stop screaming about ambulation; it will only be a way to keep ship spinners from getting bored. Excuse me while I'll be in one of my ships blowing stuff up. ____________________ Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.05.31 12:37:00 - [29] You people realise that if anything is going to get eve a lot more subscribers it'll be Ambulation, right?
Chris Liath Gallente Nex Exercitus Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.05.31 13:00:00 - [30] Read the friggen backstory. We're out of the pods all the time. "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

Draeca Tharri and Co.	Posted - 2009.05.31 14:25:00 - [31] Originally by: Joe Ambulation works on the premise that for some reason, I would risk my immortality, to have a beer in a pub. Ooh, RP reasons! Let's see.. We're not immortal, we're already dead. We've been dead since the first time we died, and now we're just liveless machines made out of flesh and bone, with our old minds stolen from our real selves and implanted in these clones. Having to "live" forever gives us even bigger reason to have a drink.
Blue Harrier Gallente IMPERIAL SENATE Initiative Associates	Posted - 2009.05.31 14:27:00 - [32] For me they can bring in ambulation on 3 conditions. 1. They fix ALL the bugs in the game as it stands first. 2. IÆm allowed to shoot stations that contain war target pilots and kill said pilots with minimum collateral damage to other citizens in the station. 3. They put windows in the station so docked pilots can see who is waiting outside ready to gank them. The pirates will wine about the last one. All the above said with a broad smile as it will never happen.
Bigpimping Pimp Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.31 15:19:00 - [33] Ambulation is CCP's duke nukem forever. ________________________________________ He who pimps, is God...
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2009.05.31 16:17:00 - [34] Short answer; Because Ambulation isn't adding content to EVE. Longer answer; Because Ambulation isn't adding content to EVE, i.e. it's pointless. It also adds a few risks, like, having people running around in stations socializing instead of being bored from spinning ships and actually undock. Or having them finding the 3d chatline enough fun to not undock. Either case, we get less interaction in space, which is what EVE had since day one. Interaction in space. I don't know about you, but I want to blow up stuff and grief people. Since the first day I joined this game I've been able to do that. If I don't blow up their stuff, I make them bored spinning ships in stations. Ambulation will make PvP worse, no matter if you fight PvPers or PvEplayers. It's not gonna add any good aspects at all to PvP. And, what is EVE about, if not PvP? Industrialism happens in space. Fights happen in space. Trading isn't happening (no market) without the actions in space. Ambulation is a spawn of the devil. Unless we all get a baseball bat and a way to smack players out of airlocks with them, it's something negative to EVE. That's not even mentioning the potential resources it takes from development. Hell, even using one guy part-time would be too much resources wasted on Ambulation, simply put. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2009.05.31 16:23:00 - [35] Originally by: Misanth Short answer; Because Ambulation isn't adding content to EVE. Longer answer; Because Ambulation isn't adding content to EVE, i.e. it's pointless. It also adds a few risks, like, having people running around in stations socializing instead of being bored from spinning ships and actually undock. Or having them finding the 3d chatline enough fun to not undock. Either case, we get less interaction in space, which is what EVE had since day one. Interaction in space. I don't know about you, but I want to blow up stuff and grief people. Since the first day I joined this game I've been able to do that. If I don't blow up their stuff, I make them bored spinning ships in stations. Ambulation will make PvP worse, no matter if you fight PvPers or PvEplayers. It's not gonna add any good aspects at all to PvP. And, what is EVE about, if not PvP? Industrialism happens in space. Fights happen in space. Trading isn't happening (no market) without the actions in space. Ambulation is a spawn of the devil. Unless we all get a baseball bat and a way to smack players out of airlocks with them, it's something negative to EVE. That's not even mentioning the potential resources it takes from development. Hell, even using one guy part-time would be too much resources wasted on Ambulation, simply put. You have to realise that alot of people that play dont care about space combat, alot of people tret this game like there own business. Time is not Money and minerals i mine are free!!
Tellenta Gallente Invicta. Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.05.31 16:48:00 - [36] Why are people complaining about ambulation? Because deep down a grand majority of the players are whiney *****es about one thing or another. If CCP never talked about ambulation, these people would be whining about something else. It's really that simple.
Ariane VoxDei	Posted - 2009.05.31 16:51:00 - [37] Originally by: Nova Fox Also if you delved into back story enough, Pod pilots get thier own special section of the station, where only the most trusted non pats are allowed into. This is because of the lingering smell of the pod goo, the "never seen daylight" hue and the general appearance that can be described as a corpse left in a formaldehyde jar for a decade or 2. That is, the other customers would complain... or be making a mob and take matters into their own hands with stakes, garlic and torches.
Jabezhane	Posted - 2009.05.31 17:33:00 - [38] Just take a look at Anarchy Online and then you'll know why ambulation is a really bad idea.
Sanitarium Slave Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.05.31 19:19:00 - [39] Edited by: Sanitarium Slave on 31/05/2009 19:19:43 CCP is a business, and as so they will bring in what gets them more money. Regardless of how much you cry on the forums
leboe Dark Star Cartel Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2009.05.31 20:25:00 - [40] the art department could go and give the nag a 3rd turret slot?

krickettt Gallente Golden Orb Technology inc	Posted - 2009.05.31 20:37:00 - [41] Ambulation is going to be optional. If you don't like it, DO NOT use it. It's a fairly easy idea. If CCP were to stop development on Ambulation, the majority of the player base would have a louder complaining voice than the griefers, ect, that are currently complaining. CCP can't make everyone happy, so the best way is to compromise, and that's what they're doing with not making Ambulation mandatory. And to the people asking other things to be fixed before Ambulation, it'll never happen. There is always going to be bugs and problems, and keeping the game the exact same forever is not going to help them achieve subscribers. They're not taking away enough developers to make an impact on normal game updates anyway.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.05.31 23:28:00 - [42] Originally by: leboe the art department could go and give the nag a 3rd turret slot? Thats a year's effort by the whole department according to thier responses, theyll basically have to redo the entire ship in order to add a third gun, Best they can do is acheive better gun stats for now and improve capitol missiles systems effectiveness. There is going to be another round of boosts for the Nag and capitol missiles soon though if you been keeping up with the development thread so expect them soon. Also art department is probably busier with the last tech 3 modules and additional content such as the new nebula system, more effects, graphics optimization, and planetary interaction content such as tanks and atmo craft Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 25MAY09


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