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Dyesise	Posted - 2004.09.11 11:48:00 - [1] Come on already this is getting as lame as hell there not avaliable to buy unless u wanna be stupid pay to high a price these ppl that are given bpo,s of t2 should eb taken by the throat and thoroughly slapped get these ships out or maybe ccp shoudl egt these ships out a lil quicker ure saying shiva be here soon hell we cnat even get orig bp,s on market for interceptors and they have been out long enough without some ppl killing us all these crazy prices are killing us no one will be able to afford shiva stuff if these nuggets keep gettign away with ridiculous prices get ure finger out ccp and show these ppl the way it should be more t2 ships avaliable more ppl happy and prob or possibly more ppl wanna play eve they dont wanna sit back and know someone is holding bpo,s of ships but making everyone wait or pay stupid prices its up to u ccp to sort this out and get more fun in the game by making ships more ready avaliable take a look at the great northern war for e.g. on both sides if these ships would be more avaliable ppl would have more funa nd not have to worry to much about how the hell they can get a new ship nm pay for one. ahh that felt better -FLAME ME- IM WAITING
Dyesise	Posted - 2004.09.11 11:48:00 - [2] Come on already this is getting as lame as hell there not avaliable to buy unless u wanna be stupid pay to high a price these ppl that are given bpo,s of t2 should eb taken by the throat and thoroughly slapped get these ships out or maybe ccp shoudl egt these ships out a lil quicker ure saying shiva be here soon hell we cnat even get orig bp,s on market for interceptors and they have been out long enough without some ppl killing us all these crazy prices are killing us no one will be able to afford shiva stuff if these nuggets keep gettign away with ridiculous prices get ure finger out ccp and show these ppl the way it should be more t2 ships avaliable more ppl happy and prob or possibly more ppl wanna play eve they dont wanna sit back and know someone is holding bpo,s of ships but making everyone wait or pay stupid prices its up to u ccp to sort this out and get more fun in the game by making ships more ready avaliable take a look at the great northern war for e.g. on both sides if these ships would be more avaliable ppl would have more funa nd not have to worry to much about how the hell they can get a new ship nm pay for one. ahh that felt better -FLAME ME- IM WAITING
dabster	Posted - 2004.09.11 12:03:00 - [3] Here, have a couple of . and [caps], then add some , and another bunch of .'s Then maybe people can understand what you type. ___________________________ Chicks dig Brutor's
dabster	Posted - 2004.09.11 12:03:00 - [4] Here, have a couple of . and [caps], then add some , and another bunch of .'s Then maybe people can understand what you type. ___________________________ Chicks dig Brutor's
Reptar	Posted - 2004.09.11 12:03:00 - [5] 8 hour build time -> 3 a day -> hundred or so very rich impatient people -> very few bpo's -> long wait for us scally wags
Reptar	Posted - 2004.09.11 12:03:00 - [6] 8 hour build time -> 3 a day -> hundred or so very rich impatient people -> very few bpo's -> long wait for us scally wags
Yakoza	Posted - 2004.09.11 12:06:00 - [7] Great Scott! Punctuation man Punctuation! --------------------------------------------- The opinions posted here are mine, and do not necessarily reflect the goals or opinions of my corperation or affiliates. "*BS > Cruiser \| Cruiser > Frigate \| Frigate(s) > BS" -Vlad Hazzard "'You wreck Asteroid (Scordite) for 215 m3 of ore'" -Pandora Panda "It seems that some people think that by aquiring a battleship they are entitled to some kind of invulnerability-switch* -Marc Wiatt
Yakoza	Posted - 2004.09.11 12:06:00 - [8] Great Scott! Punctuation man Punctuation! --------------------------------------------- The opinions posted here are mine, and do not necessarily reflect the goals or opinions of my corperation or affiliates. "*BS > Cruiser \| Cruiser > Frigate \| Frigate(s) > BS" -Vlad Hazzard "'You wreck Asteroid (Scordite) for 215 m3 of ore'" -Pandora Panda "It seems that some people think that by aquiring a battleship they are entitled to some kind of invulnerability-switch* -Marc Wiatt
Richard Villiers	Posted - 2004.09.11 12:17:00 - [9] Compressing the above chaos should probably sound like this: LOWER THE PRICES But I could be wrong. _____ Originally by: Neon Genesis This forum is about opinion, however, you are wrong.
Richard Villiers	Posted - 2004.09.11 12:17:00 - [10] Compressing the above chaos should probably sound like this: LOWER THE PRICES But I could be wrong. _____ Originally by: Neon Genesis This forum is about opinion, however, you are wrong.
Shimatu	Posted - 2004.09.11 12:25:00 - [11] tech 2 is NOT SUPPOSED to replace all tech 1. people that cant afford it are not the ones that should be playing with it. its meant (for now especially) to be extremely rare, and only used by the elite. also, thinking its more fun to fly tech 2 is flawed - for one thing, its effectively the same ship with just a few bonuses, nothing all that special, and for another you constnatly worried about getting shot up by some pirate BS. 3-I's T2 sales can be found HERE
Shimatu	Posted - 2004.09.11 12:25:00 - [12] tech 2 is NOT SUPPOSED to replace all tech 1. people that cant afford it are not the ones that should be playing with it. its meant (for now especially) to be extremely rare, and only used by the elite. also, thinking its more fun to fly tech 2 is flawed - for one thing, its effectively the same ship with just a few bonuses, nothing all that special, and for another you constnatly worried about getting shot up by some pirate BS. 3-I's T2 sales can be found HERE
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.09.11 12:26:00 - [13] As long as people pay 30 mill each they arent gonna be sold for less. Simple, and the right way. Just cause it could be cheap doesnt mean it has to. That is what one calls a suppliers market. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.09.11 12:26:00 - [14] As long as people pay 30 mill each they arent gonna be sold for less. Simple, and the right way. Just cause it could be cheap doesnt mean it has to. That is what one calls a suppliers market. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Dyesise	Posted - 2004.09.11 14:40:00 - [15] Edited by: Dyesise on 11/09/2004 14:45:52 Edited by: Dyesise on 11/09/2004 14:44:58 30 mil is an average price i dont mind paying but 100 mil is plain crazy as i said flame me shows the absolute lack of maturity on some ppl bigger suprise is rod blaine i pretty much agree with u but it is nuts these idiots are slowing the process of others gaming experience as the man says above lowering prices is good but still leaves the ammount that cant get t2 and are waiting for it
Dyesise	Posted - 2004.09.11 14:40:00 - [16] Edited by: Dyesise on 11/09/2004 14:45:52 Edited by: Dyesise on 11/09/2004 14:44:58 30 mil is an average price i dont mind paying but 100 mil is plain crazy as i said flame me shows the absolute lack of maturity on some ppl bigger suprise is rod blaine i pretty much agree with u but it is nuts these idiots are slowing the process of others gaming experience as the man says above lowering prices is good but still leaves the ammount that cant get t2 and are waiting for it
Mayas	Posted - 2004.09.11 14:45:00 - [17] Originally by: Shimatu tech 2 is NOT SUPPOSED to replace all tech 1. people that cant afford it are not the ones that should be playing with it. its meant (for now especially) to be extremely rare, and only used by the elite. also, thinking its more fun to fly tech 2 is flawed - for one thing, its effectively the same ship with just a few bonuses, nothing all that special, and for another you constnatly worried about getting shot up by some pirate BS. i cant say that i agree with you there, sure t2 isent supposed to replace t1 but i still feel that new, and not so wealthy, players should be able to enjoy the new stuff such as cloaking , thoose things shouldnt be a "privilege" of eve vets, we have to thin about the little guys
Mayas	Posted - 2004.09.11 14:45:00 - [18] Originally by: Shimatu tech 2 is NOT SUPPOSED to replace all tech 1. people that cant afford it are not the ones that should be playing with it. its meant (for now especially) to be extremely rare, and only used by the elite. also, thinking its more fun to fly tech 2 is flawed - for one thing, its effectively the same ship with just a few bonuses, nothing all that special, and for another you constnatly worried about getting shot up by some pirate BS. i cant say that i agree with you there, sure t2 isent supposed to replace t1 but i still feel that new, and not so wealthy, players should be able to enjoy the new stuff such as cloaking , thoose things shouldnt be a "privilege" of eve vets, we have to thin about the little guys
Dyesise	Posted - 2004.09.11 14:58:00 - [19] Originally by: Mayas Originally by: Shimatu tech 2 is NOT SUPPOSED to replace all tech 1. people that cant afford it are not the ones that should be playing with it. its meant (for now especially) to be extremely rare, and only used by the elite. also, thinking its more fun to fly tech 2 is flawed - for one thing, its effectively the same ship with just a few bonuses, nothing all that special, and for another you constnatly worried about getting shot up by some pirate BS. i cant say that i agree with you there, sure t2 isent supposed to replace t1 but i still feel that new, and not so wealthy, players should be able to enjoy the new stuff such as cloaking , thoose things shouldnt be a "privilege" of eve vets, we have to thin about the little guys i agree
Dyesise	Posted - 2004.09.11 14:58:00 - [20] Originally by: Mayas Originally by: Shimatu tech 2 is NOT SUPPOSED to replace all tech 1. people that cant afford it are not the ones that should be playing with it. its meant (for now especially) to be extremely rare, and only used by the elite. also, thinking its more fun to fly tech 2 is flawed - for one thing, its effectively the same ship with just a few bonuses, nothing all that special, and for another you constnatly worried about getting shot up by some pirate BS. i cant say that i agree with you there, sure t2 isent supposed to replace t1 but i still feel that new, and not so wealthy, players should be able to enjoy the new stuff such as cloaking , thoose things shouldnt be a "privilege" of eve vets, we have to thin about the little guys i agree
Luc Boye	Posted - 2004.09.11 15:08:00 - [21] Originally by: Mayas i cant say that i agree with you there, sure t2 isent supposed to replace t1 but i still feel that new, and not so wealthy, players should be able to enjoy the new stuff such as cloaking , thoose things shouldnt be a "privilege" of eve vets, we have to thin about the little guys Little guys should mine for big guys. Take that as revenge for turret nerfs. -- 2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage.
Luc Boye	Posted - 2004.09.11 15:08:00 - [22] Originally by: Mayas i cant say that i agree with you there, sure t2 isent supposed to replace t1 but i still feel that new, and not so wealthy, players should be able to enjoy the new stuff such as cloaking , thoose things shouldnt be a "privilege" of eve vets, we have to thin about the little guys Little guys should mine for big guys. Take that as revenge for turret nerfs. -- 2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage.
Neon Genesis	Posted - 2004.09.11 15:12:00 - [23] Well think of it like this, a noob cant get a battleship in his first week or month or several months, so why should he be able to get the absolute elite cutting edge just out technology that only a few people have the ability to posses? If they were cheep they wouldnt be special. It;s a sellers market, if sumone will pay 30 mil then u bloody well charge 30 mil cos ur out to make money, manufacturers aint noob charitys. __ There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
Neon Genesis	Posted - 2004.09.11 15:12:00 - [24] Well think of it like this, a noob cant get a battleship in his first week or month or several months, so why should he be able to get the absolute elite cutting edge just out technology that only a few people have the ability to posses? If they were cheep they wouldnt be special. It;s a sellers market, if sumone will pay 30 mil then u bloody well charge 30 mil cos ur out to make money, manufacturers aint noob charitys. __ There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
Dyesise	Posted - 2004.09.11 16:14:00 - [25] nice to see some decent reply,s well almost all some ppl are right ..... fill the blanks in ureself
Dyesise	Posted - 2004.09.11 16:14:00 - [26] nice to see some decent reply,s well almost all some ppl are right ..... fill the blanks in ureself
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2004.09.11 17:14:00 - [27] Edited by: DJTheBaron on 11/09/2004 17:16:16 i'd like to see npc provide tech 1 and tech 2 modules/ships/ammo at perhaps slightly above ccp's intended market price for the item, perghaps within 2-4 weeks of the bpo release, early adopters pay for their advantage but after that no more 20mil interceptors 30mil coverts or 50mil assualts wait until elite cruisers, standard lv3 frigate 200k, interceptor 5-7 mil ideally, at the minuite often 15mil. standard lv3 cruiser, 7mil i'd say 50mil+ easily for the elites probably more expensive than a bs at first __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2004.09.11 17:14:00 - [28] Edited by: DJTheBaron on 11/09/2004 17:16:16 i'd like to see npc provide tech 1 and tech 2 modules/ships/ammo at perhaps slightly above ccp's intended market price for the item, perghaps within 2-4 weeks of the bpo release, early adopters pay for their advantage but after that no more 20mil interceptors 30mil coverts or 50mil assualts wait until elite cruisers, standard lv3 frigate 200k, interceptor 5-7 mil ideally, at the minuite often 15mil. standard lv3 cruiser, 7mil i'd say 50mil+ easily for the elites probably more expensive than a bs at first __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
Veneth	Posted - 2004.09.11 17:37:00 - [29] 30 mil? lol I wish! If I could FIND ANYONE selling a Vengeance I'd gladly pay 30 mil for it. These ships tend to be bonked out at 100mil it's a little sad just how greedy some people are in this game. Oh it's new! charge zillions of isk for it. If these new mining barges turn out to be good lets hope that they're not agent released bpos
Veneth	Posted - 2004.09.11 17:37:00 - [30] 30 mil? lol I wish! If I could FIND ANYONE selling a Vengeance I'd gladly pay 30 mil for it. These ships tend to be bonked out at 100mil it's a little sad just how greedy some people are in this game. Oh it's new! charge zillions of isk for it. If these new mining barges turn out to be good lets hope that they're not agent released bpos
Bellac	Posted - 2004.09.11 17:49:00 - [31] Edited by: Bellac on 11/09/2004 17:55:32 I guess that those who have the BPO will make a few ships quick to get some income then pop the print into a labslot. You got to remember that any builder worth his salt will be researching to e.g. ME 10 and maybe even PE 5. Looking at the stats on screenshots posted this will likely take up to 3 weeks. Come on folks just be a little patient, the ships will be here soon enough. Also look at the price of the tech 2 components. For example the graviton reactors. I am trying to find some reasonable priced ones to build a raptor from a bpc i have. The cheapest i have found are 240k each and i need 31. Do the maths thats 7.44 mill for the reactors alone. add on the other components, bpc price, rams and the prices quoted for interceptors on the markets are more than fair. the other elite frigs will drop as more ships hit the markets i am sure
Bellac	Posted - 2004.09.11 17:49:00 - [32] Edited by: Bellac on 11/09/2004 17:55:32 I guess that those who have the BPO will make a few ships quick to get some income then pop the print into a labslot. You got to remember that any builder worth his salt will be researching to e.g. ME 10 and maybe even PE 5. Looking at the stats on screenshots posted this will likely take up to 3 weeks. Come on folks just be a little patient, the ships will be here soon enough. Also look at the price of the tech 2 components. For example the graviton reactors. I am trying to find some reasonable priced ones to build a raptor from a bpc i have. The cheapest i have found are 240k each and i need 31. Do the maths thats 7.44 mill for the reactors alone. add on the other components, bpc price, rams and the prices quoted for interceptors on the markets are more than fair. the other elite frigs will drop as more ships hit the markets i am sure
Celt Eireson	Posted - 2004.09.11 18:03:00 - [33] You are kidding? 240k each???? thinks back to the days when they sold for 10 or 20k Sheesh
Celt Eireson	Posted - 2004.09.11 18:03:00 - [34] You are kidding? 240k each???? thinks back to the days when they sold for 10 or 20k Sheesh
Arbenowskee	Posted - 2004.09.11 18:07:00 - [35] The greatest problem is that tech II components are very rare, thus tech II ships, are very expensive. if BPOs for those components were realesed, or agents would give them out more... the problem would be partily solved. the other part of the problem is, that insurance for those ships are screwed up. they're practicly uninsurable. that makes them at least 3 times (insurance usualy costs about one third of the ships building costs) more expensive than regular ships.
Arbenowskee	Posted - 2004.09.11 18:07:00 - [36] The greatest problem is that tech II components are very rare, thus tech II ships, are very expensive. if BPOs for those components were realesed, or agents would give them out more... the problem would be partily solved. the other part of the problem is, that insurance for those ships are screwed up. they're practicly uninsurable. that makes them at least 3 times (insurance usualy costs about one third of the ships building costs) more expensive than regular ships.
Sherkaner	Posted - 2004.09.11 18:45:00 - [37] Locked for ranting. Nothing good can come out of a thread if the starter post ends in "FLAME ME- IM WAITING" forum rules \| [email protected]
Sherkaner	Posted - 2004.09.11 18:45:00 - [38] Locked for ranting. Nothing good can come out of a thread if the starter post ends in "FLAME ME- IM WAITING" forum rules \| [email protected]
DarkMatters	Posted - 2004.09.11 18:51:00 - [39] Originally by: Veneth 30 mil? lol I wish! If I could FIND ANYONE selling a Vengeance I'd gladly pay 30 mil for it. These ships tend to be bonked out at 100mil it's a little sad just how greedy some people are in this game. Oh it's new! charge zillions of isk for it. If these new mining barges turn out to be good lets hope that they're not agent released bpos strokes her vengeance (i suggest you have a look at the market fourm and go back a few pages, 40 mill) as for the peopple moaning no one should pay more then 30 mill for one (and they should be the first person to get one because...) DEMAND = SUPPLY* there is currently a HIGH demand and an extreamly low supply (as only a few bps in the game and each frig takes hours to build). so the Equilibrium (were demand and supply meet) is Extremely high up. this is very basic economics, and i am sorry to say the way the world works, live with it (not that you have a choice in the matter). its common sense!
DarkMatters	Posted - 2004.09.11 18:51:00 - [40] Originally by: Veneth 30 mil? lol I wish! If I could FIND ANYONE selling a Vengeance I'd gladly pay 30 mil for it. These ships tend to be bonked out at 100mil it's a little sad just how greedy some people are in this game. Oh it's new! charge zillions of isk for it. If these new mining barges turn out to be good lets hope that they're not agent released bpos strokes her vengeance (i suggest you have a look at the market fourm and go back a few pages, 40 mill) as for the peopple moaning no one should pay more then 30 mill for one (and they should be the first person to get one because...) DEMAND = SUPPLY* there is currently a HIGH demand and an extreamly low supply (as only a few bps in the game and each frig takes hours to build). so the Equilibrium (were demand and supply meet) is Extremely high up. this is very basic economics, and i am sorry to say the way the world works, live with it (not that you have a choice in the matter). its common sense!

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