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Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2009.06.02 07:07:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: FOl2TY8
We ran some like 6 plexes the other day and I have to say it was the most boring experience I have been a part of in Eve yet. If the Caldari can stomach running that many plexes than we have to bow to our new boredom-proof overlords.
That's the problem. No matter if you are on the offence or defence, plexing amounts to sitting at a beacon for 10-20 minutes. The amount of fights you get there is miniscule compared to the time you just sit there watching paint dry. At least while on the offence you could shoot at something (unless jammed to hell and back by the NPCs which happened regularly).
I quit FW (I say *I* because I was the last person in my corp to give up on FW, all others had turned to other things long before me) when I realized that I was paying $15 a month to perform a boring task in my spare time.
The other thing that made up my mind was something that happened in a fleet:
Annancale, the system I used to run my missions in, had been occupied by Caldari (back then it was one of the few systems that had actually been taken) and I and a few others from GalMil worked off our asses to make the system vulnerable again.
I actually flipped the last plex and lost a Domi to pirates at the bunker until the GalMil bunker bust fleet arrived.
So the bunker was blown up, and several people in the fleet asked: "So, what happens now? Do we get standings or anything?"
When informed that they flew their BS all the way through low sec and back and got nothing at all for it many people proclaimed that they'd never take part in a bunker bust again.
They didn't care about plexing either.
At that point I realized FW was not my thing. I pictured myself reluctantly logging in, running plexes all day until I made a system vulnerable, then sitting at the bunker all by myself until it popped :).
I did go on for a bit longer, but after a while I realized I was making excuses not to log in - when logged in I felt compelled to do something for the FDU, which invariably turned out to be something boring.
It did not help that GalMil was full of spies and any fleet was quickly outblobbed.
It did not help that I could not go to Jita any more.
It did not help that Gallente space has a pocket of CONCORD space that is often camped by Amarr/Caldari and avoiding it adds tons of jumps.
It did not help that fighting ECMing NPC is annoying as heck because you can't even salvage or tractor beam while being jammed.
But it was the utter boredom of beacon orbitting that was worst.
So I quit my corp from FW, even though it makes little sense from an RP PoV.
I've regretted it a few times, but not enough to return to that chore. And yes, I fully consider it a chore, and I do not pay and invest my precious spare time for that.
Corporation RP channel: "PlacidReborn" |
Bloedrivier
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.06.02 10:25:00 -
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In an ideal world militia is actually suppose to live in low sec. This is where we belong, this is the region(s) we are fighting over. Militia corps are suppose to setup an office in low sec somewhere and own their region. Set up a market and protect your area and assets.
With a bigger militia presence in low sec it will naturally lead to more action not only for militia but pies as well. Plexes will also see a lot more action and would be the ideal place to setup for engagements.
Right now the majority is just sitting in high sec going for a roam every now and then, and therefor the action for them is limited. operating like this you actually miss out on the majority of the fun to be had in fw.
Look at the fw corps that are having the most fun and success atm and it is clear that all of them live and operate out of low sec. So if you feel you are missing out perhaps you should change the way you approach fw.
If the majority adopted this mentality fw would be an arena of non-stop action where the fittest will survive. But it won't help if only one side comes to the party. |
Lord Morgo
Gallente
Eye of the Aquila
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Posted - 2009.06.02 10:50:00 -
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First of all I'd like to say congrats to the State Protectorate. Your ability to do probably the most boring task in Eve has won you all the chest beating you could ever want.
I must ask, what now though? Are you all going to quit? because unless I'm mistaken, all you can do in FW now is PVP.
The question is, are you ready? The gallente militia will be waiting.
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Dr Grot
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.06.02 11:19:00 -
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The majority of Gallente Militia gave up on plexing a while back. I guess we'll continue to do what we've been doing for some time now and that is using FW as a massive free war dec against Squids.
The Caldari deserve recognition for winning the plex battle but this is not a big story in my opinion. Hopefully one day soonÖ CCP will fix and balance Gallente/Caldari FW and plexing. Until then some Caldari will make a big deal about "winning" while we really don't give a ****
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Vice Commander, Federal Defence Union. |
Pater Peccavi
Minmatar
Cadre Assault Force
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Posted - 2009.06.02 12:46:00 -
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Edited by: Pater Peccavi on 02/06/2009 12:48:55
Originally by: Lord Morgo
I must ask, what now though?
I predict that the Caldari will start 3-5 threads per day talking about how they won FW. I base this prediction on the fact that, prior to taking all Gallente systems, the Caldari started 3-5 threads per day talking about how they were going to win FW.
Maybe that's why the Caldari plexed so well. They combined their plexing time with their forum whoring time (/checks to see if most Caldari posts are made right after DT).
Originally by: hi go
Let the human be very annoyed! Another person is very repugnant! |
Wacktopia
Infinity Miners Union
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2009.06.02 17:08:00 -
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I never really saw the point in FW but I guess maybe they could just reset all the systems and let you start over?
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MiSu Yung
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Posted - 2009.06.02 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Wacktopia
I never really saw the point in FW but I guess maybe they could just reset all the systems and let you start over?
I am sure there are people who dont see the point in POS pong 0.0 warfare and people who dont see the point in Blob Gate Camping lowsec to SB noobs... To each their own
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K'uata Sayus
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Posted - 2009.06.02 20:50:00 -
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I would expect CCP's response to this will speak volumes on their commitment to FW.
Declaring a Cal/Gal peace, with conquered systems going over to Caldari sovereignty would enable the Caldari to go after the Minmatar if they so choose.
Neutralizing the warzones would in effect, end Cal/Gal FW in favor of the victors.
The in-game events should now write the story.
EVERYONE SEEMS NORMAL UNTIL YOU GET TO KNOW THEM. |
IronGoldenEagle
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.03 02:08:00 -
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War wont be over till you take Minnie space. Round 2 of pve fail?
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Sin'dal Raine
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.06.03 04:21:00 -
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I don't log in every day so I maybe wrong. But even the massive gains in FW by the squids haven't gotten a news report at log in from what I've seen. I hold little hope the "win" will even generate a single paragraph.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.06.03 04:23:00 -
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In breaking news: Numerical superiority means more people available to afk cloak FW plexes.
Now let's see if CCP can right the wrongs and give the numerically superior side more targets that they have to blow up. Make the plexes things you have to actually destroy, not just orbit, in order to capture.
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MiSu Yung
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Posted - 2009.06.03 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
In breaking news: Numerical superiority means more people available to afk cloak FW plexes.
Now let's see if CCP can right the wrongs and give the numerically superior side more targets that they have to blow up. Make the plexes things you have to actually destroy, not just orbit, in order to capture.
These numbers you speak of are not that far out of balance. And that slight advantage the caldari do have just means more targets for the Gall's to shoot.
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.06.04 13:12:00 -
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Nearly a week, and still not a word
Pick Three:
Caldari/PVP/Solo/Success |
Mekro Halans
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.06.04 15:54:00 -
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What i want to know is why a caldari ship was able to fly around villore and not be attacked by gallente npcs? just happened 10 minutes ago.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2009.06.04 17:14:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness
That's the problem. No matter if you are on the offence or defence, plexing amounts to sitting at a beacon for 10-20 minutes. The amount of fights you get there is miniscule compared to the time you just sit there watching paint dry. At least while on the offence you could shoot at something (unless jammed to hell and back by the NPCs which happened regularly).
I quit FW (I say *I* because I was the last person in my corp to give up on FW, all others had turned to other things long before me) when I realized that I was paying $15 a month to perform a boring task in my spare time.
The other thing that made up my mind was something that happened in a fleet:
Annancale, the system I used to run my missions in, had been occupied by Caldari (back then it was one of the few systems that had actually been taken) and I and a few others from GalMil worked off our asses to make the system vulnerable again.
I actually flipped the last plex and lost a Domi to pirates at the bunker until the GalMil bunker bust fleet arrived.
So the bunker was blown up, and several people in the fleet asked: "So, what happens now? Do we get standings or anything?"
When informed that they flew their BS all the way through low sec and back and got nothing at all for it many people proclaimed that they'd never take part in a bunker bust again.
They didn't care about plexing either.
At that point I realized FW was not my thing. I pictured myself reluctantly logging in, running plexes all day until I made a system vulnerable, then sitting at the bunker all by myself until it popped :).
I did go on for a bit longer, but after a while I realized I was making excuses not to log in - when logged in I felt compelled to do something for the FDU, which invariably turned out to be something boring.
This is a very good post. It illustrates well the tedium of plexing if the other guy doesn't show up. You hope the other guy shows up so you get a fight, but if he doesn't, it still needs to be a bearable activity.
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.06.04 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Mekro Halans
What i want to know is why a caldari ship was able to fly around villore and not be attacked by gallente npcs? just happened 10 minutes ago.
He doesn't have low enough standings... which is another flaw of FW.
I have heard rumors You can cap plexes without enemy NPC's shooting you
Pick Three:
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Hidden Snake
Caldari
More-Cowbell
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Posted - 2009.06.05 05:57:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Mekro Halans
What i want to know is why a caldari ship was able to fly around villore and not be attacked by gallente npcs? just happened 10 minutes ago.
because u r noob and u do not understand how to make a raid....of course he was attacked ... But if u hit and run fast u can make a raid into enemy high sec.
Actually caracal raid fleets are very popular among caldari captains
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.06.05 10:00:00 -
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I am amazed that so many people can gloat endlessly about this, despite the fact that they have always had a massive numerical advantage, which has made the whole plexing thing much, much easier for them. In fact, it would be amusing to see people argue the case for why it is such a great victory for 5000 to beat 3000 without conceding that Gallente pilots are better individually.
As was stated before, CCP have been aware of this issue since the start. Why they haven't spent time on FW to make it viable is anyone's guess, but most people agree that it definitely needs work.
If a mechanic was added to balance out the population inbalance, and therefore make it fairer, would the Caldari spend quite so much time giving each other blow jobs about how great they are? Or would the territory map end up looking roughly 50/50 (which is what good game design should ultimately result in).
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.06.05 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Pater Peccavi
I predict that the Caldari will start 3-5 threads per day talking about how they won FW. I base this prediction on the fact that, prior to taking all Gallente systems, the Caldari started 3-5 threads per day talking about how they were going to win FW.
Maybe that's why the Caldari plexed so well. They combined their plexing time with their forum whoring time (/checks to see if most Caldari posts are made right after DT).
So few forum posts?
Honestly, it's like watching Manchester United shake hands with each other for 6 hours after a match. Even their own supporters would get bored after 10-15 minutes.
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Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2009.06.05 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: Pytria Le''Danness on 05/06/2009 11:16:49
Originally by: Ratchman
As was stated before, CCP have been aware of this issue since the start. Why they haven't spent time on FW to make it viable is anyone's guess, but most people agree that it definitely needs work.
I spoke to a dev on SiSi when FW was put up for testing first, and the reply was that it would sort itself out: while the bigger side would capture more systems in the beginning, they would be too hard pressed to keep what they got to expand beyond a certain point.
Aparently they did not count in the ingenuity of the player base that made complex taking much easier than anticipated - or they did disregard that there are no frontlines in EVE. Any system can be attacked anywhere, and unless there are massive PLAYER patrols in the FW areas nothing is stopping a hostile militia member to fly all over the place and start a new complex somewhere in the backyard. This created a tedious need to patrol all the systems and there was no place where you could be SURE to find targets outside the Tama/OMS pipe. Flying around on a patrol can be fun for a while, but logging in every day to check up on all possible low sec systems whether one is in danger turns the whole thing into a chore.
If plexing had been restricted to the border systems only (that is plexes only spawn if a system under hostile occupation is next door) it might have been better because even the most lazy PvPer would have an easier time finding a fight and do not have to stick to the pipeline. Plexing would become more that a simple NPC shootup because the PvPers would be looking at plexes more and in less space. And you could not simply go "Oops, a war target showed up, I'll fly to a different system and start over there".
It would make the "backyards" regions even more empty though. You can't really run raids on defenseless militia members there because they aren't defenseless thanks to the everpresent pirate threat.
But in my eyes the main problem remains: you are asked to perform a rather boring task with high risks for little to no rewards.
Edit: updated for clarity and typos |
MiSu Yung
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Posted - 2009.06.05 12:46:00 -
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The silence from CCP is deafening |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.06.05 13:21:00 -
[52]
Quote:
The big question now, is what do we do now?
You could start to PvP now. |
Hidden Snake
Caldari
More-Cowbell
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Posted - 2009.06.05 14:23:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:
The big question now, is what do we do now?
You could start to PvP now.
well we need some frog targets first
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.06.05 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 05/06/2009 16:08:21
Quote:
well we need some frog targets first
Well, due to our long term plan we had to move a system conforming to it, but we are still available to play target from Taff to Amamake. |
Corduroy Rab
Chaos Reborn
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.06.05 19:00:00 -
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The outcome of all wars in eve should be determined by t1 fit caracals with cloaks and a full rack of WCS. |
Draco Rosso
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Posted - 2009.06.05 23:47:00 -
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http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=3113&tid=7
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.06 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Draco Rosso
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=3113&tid=7
It really is sad that it took almost a week to get a story on this.
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Gabriel Darkefyre
Minmatar
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.06.06 09:04:00 -
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Working Link to the News Story Above |
Lokius Ahgamemnon
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Posted - 2009.06.06 13:56:00 -
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You want to know what CCP is going to do now you say? Since they know Caldari are superior they are going to SUPER NERF you muahahahhah. 
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Skjorta
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Posted - 2009.06.06 14:03:00 -
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This is why i lol at any caldari epeening threads.
Caldari - 5150 pilots
Gallente - 3047 pilots
And it's been that way since FW started...
If you weren't winning it'd be funny...but what do you expect with nearly double force size.
But i agree there needs to be some kind of actual benefit for fighting in FW. |
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