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Cors Gallente It's A Trap	Posted - 2009.06.02 20:36:00 - [1] Edited by: Cors on 02/06/2009 20:44:06 Problem: Over the past several years this forum section has dissolved into an ePeen waving spam fest. Half the threads get locked(Not discussing why, this is a simple truth), half the threads have no real content besides chest beating, and the few true and honest threads get drowned out. Suggested Solution: A new forum sub section. Battle Reports. Purpose: this would be a section of the forums where the sides in a battle can post wins, losses, AND killboard info. I know this is questionable, but I want a way for ALL sides to get their info out. Format: This section would ONLY be for alliance leaders to post in. This could take the form of an "official" list of contacts for each alliance(3 max per), or only for the executors of each alliance(Or indipendant corp). No one else would be allowed to post in this section. This is to keep the posts simple, and "clean". Allow each side to put up one post. With links to their Corps/Alliance's killboard summary sheet of that battle. Each post can be edited, but no more then one post per battle per corp/alliance. Example.... Battle of XXYYZZ System for June 30th, 2009. Goons post their view, KB link. Kenny Posts their view, KB Link. Each "Pet"/ally who is involved posts their view, KB link. Possible Issues: yes this would require a lot of work initially till everyone in the pvp community got used to this format, and the limitations. This would allow each side to post their each view on the fight, it's wins, losses, views, objectives. Leave CAOD for corp/alliance level discussions as normal. A lot of folks like to read these reports, each side in the conflicts like to have their views aired.
SpaceMagic Amarr The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.06.02 20:44:00 - [2] first?
Brejic Caldari Task Force Zener Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.02 20:56:00 - [3] Seems like a good idea I don't think it will happen, but it would be cool if it did
Havecandy Getinvan Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.02 21:08:00 - [4] It's a Trap! It's an altposting trap that belongs in the CSM forum for appropriate discussion, especially since altposting in CAOD is under the new red pen moderation policies mentioned in some locked thread that's embedded somewhere in this forum.
dastommy79 Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.02 21:11:00 - [5] i agree, this section has gone to hell to the point most people wont read it. I dont want to have to go to a 3rd party site to find ingame content. I think another well moderated section for battle reports only would be a wonderfull. Former SmashKill Coaliton Leader Stop banning me
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2009.06.02 21:21:00 - [6] Originally by: dastommy79 i agree, this section has gone to hell to the point most people wont read it. I dont want to have to go to a 3rd party site to find ingame content. I think another well moderated section for battle reports only would be a wonderfull. I am against this. You go to scrapheap and read your stuff there if you want. CAOD is dead, killed by spam posts long ago, the spam is still going on all day long. But please not more moderation (lol). CCP should save that money and instead of hiring one or two forum moderators they should better hire more QA or devs. Forum mods won't do anything good for ingame stuff. There are enough moderated forums available, CCP should save their money, shouldn't they? Either that, or they really start to moderate and enforce their policy stricty. Everything else is just a waste of money and time.
Cors Gallente It's A Trap	Posted - 2009.06.02 21:29:00 - [7] Edited by: Cors on 02/06/2009 21:30:18 Originally by: Havecandy Getinvan It's a Trap! It's an altposting trap that belongs in the CSM forum for appropriate discussion, especially since altposting in CAOD is under the new red pen moderation policies mentioned in some locked thread that's embedded somewhere in this forum. http://evajobse.net/csmwiki/index.php/Forum_Issues_and_CSM Quote: Raised by: Darius Johnson Submission Date: 29-03-2008 Issue ID: 0203-04-0126 Summary The CSM was very surprised a few months ago to discover that the forum moderation team had placed itself beyond the purview of the CSM. The reasoning behind this was stated by Wrangler as being that the CSM is meant to deal with game issues and the forums are somehow separate from this. I move that this is a farcical conclusion, and that the forums are very much a part of the game. If that is not the case then why have forums at all? Why maintain them? Why have forums based on the game if they provide no benefit or have no impact on the game? Alliances and corporations do indeed action based on what happens on the forums. As such I say that the forums are very much a part of the game and the forum moderation team is just as in need of the CSM's oversight as anything else. 'Treat the forum moderation team just like the GM team for CSM purposes' * Pros o The "community" team will fall under the same oversight regarding the CSM as everyone else. * Cons o unknown This is why I posted this here.
Sertan Deras Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.02 21:36:00 - [8] My question would be: What in the hell makes you think battlereport threads wouldn't devolve in to the same epeen contest? Or do you only take the first view of a battle that is given in the report, and then moderate all dissenting opinions that may have a different (and valid) view of the battle? In the end, you still have people playing the "Nuh uh, I am better than you are" game.
Cors Gallente It's A Trap	Posted - 2009.06.02 21:55:00 - [9] Originally by: Sertan Deras My question would be: What in the hell makes you think battlereport threads wouldn't devolve in to the same epeen contest? Or do you only take the first view of a battle that is given in the report, and then moderate all dissenting opinions that may have a different (and valid) view of the battle? In the end, you still have people playing the "Nuh uh, I am better than you are" game. The idea is that no matter what we do, no REAL battle report can be posted. Each person is biased by their in game affiliations. So instead of trying to find the "True" report, we allow each side in the fight to post ONE report from their View. Example. Goons have a fight with Kenny. Goon Executor posts for them. "we lost xx ships, we killed xx ships. Heres the link to our killboard. Kenny is unable to defend, their participation is wanning. We will triumph.." You know.. we see these posts everyday. Kenny Executor posts his own. "We lost xx ships, we killed xx ships. Heres a link to the Kenny Killboard.. Goons are just scum. they can't fight. We will retake Delve." Again.. you know.. You each had an allie with you in that battle. Each of those allies shows on your killboards, so they were participating. So they are allowed to post theirs. Executive Outcomes Executor posts.. "We lost xx ships, we killed xx ships. Heres a link to the EO Killboard.. Goons buddies are are noobs, we will retake our stations. This is another blow in the fight against goons and friends... " Pandemic Legion Executor posts... "We lost xx ships, we killed xx ships. Heres a link to the the PL Killboard.. we hot dropped a Kenny Cap fleet, they bridged in their bs fleet, we bridged in OUR bs fleet, someone set off a DD. Support got blown to hell. Caps slugged it out. We won obviously..." The idea is each party in the fight only gets one post per battle. That post is only allowed to be posted by their rep. Could be their Executor, could be a political officer what ever. But JUST one post from each party in the fight. None of the reports are 100% accurate because they're all biased. But at least this way we would be able to see each sides take on the fight. Each sides views/propaganda. General corp/alliance members would not be able to post in that section. Its for reports only. Each side gives their views, and then we move on to the next battle.
Major Stormer Caldari MEK Enterprises	Posted - 2009.06.02 22:11:00 - [10] Hello. --- http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com

Kaaii Caldari KaaiiNet Holding Executor Corp	Posted - 2009.06.02 22:22:00 - [11] I think that once you consider the current community at large that posts here, it will degrade into the very thing you are trying to avoid. Nive idea, but it will never happen....ever. According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
Scatim Helicon Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.02 22:44:00 - [12] heaven forbid that CAOD could be fixed by getting in competent moderators.
SavageBastard Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.02 22:52:00 - [13] Posting about events related to Eve Online in this forum is strictly verboten and this thread will be locked.
Katsura Kotonoha Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.02 22:56:00 - [14] this is a good idea. it's basically a pubbie trap to perpetuate the idea that k/d ratios and efficiency matter.
Snowden Vel Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.03 00:04:00 - [15] Originally by: Cors The idea is each party in the fight only gets one post per battle. That post is only allowed to be posted by their rep. Could be their Executor, could be a political officer what ever. But JUST one post from each party in the fight. The future of the new battle reports forum: Butter Dog, Xenon Barinade, Jake Noble, Proxay, Aneu, and that Sys-K dude who wants us all banned for TOS violations all become CCP-sanctioned, irrefutable sources of information. This is intended to raise the level of discourse in here. Fantastic.
Devian 666 Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.03 00:39:00 - [16] This is one of the ideas that sounds great, but in practice would be stale as old butte. Alliance X ceo reports jibberish with kb link. Alliance Y ceo report jibberish with kb link. No discussion is entered into, end of thread. Forums are for discussion whereas this suggestion appears to have its role filled by reading killboards. http://obeythekitten.com/
DHB FooFighter Caldari Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.06.03 01:36:00 - [17] Reports forum --------------------------------------------
Thucydides Milesias Amarr Shadow Legion inc.	Posted - 2009.06.03 02:19:00 - [18] Originally by: DHB FooFighter Reports forum And how useful is that when Major Stormer barges in, deletes most of the posts (including a lot of useful ones), and bans anyone he doesn't like? SHC is an excellent example of forum moderation gone off the deep end.
Aneu Angellus Caldari Death Pain Suffering	Posted - 2009.06.03 02:31:00 - [19] SHC is the PL version of SA.com ___ Death Pain Suffering DPS - Recruitment Open Aneu
Murrior Amarr Caldari Deep Space Ventures	Posted - 2009.06.03 02:39:00 - [20] I do like this idea, at least it seperates the trolling from the battle reports, and then you could always have a direct link from that forum to caod for all the trolling/smack/im better than you to take place. :)

kayentelva Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.06.03 03:04:00 - [21] excellent idea
NickSuccorso Minmatar Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.03 03:42:00 - [22] CAOD is the same as it's ever been. It's always been about the bigger ** and out ** posting the other guy. There's just more people now. A battle report forum would end up like GBBS in which a bunch of players do nothing but argue about which side had the bigger blob, or which side the toast was buttered on or whatever. You see how much stress the SHC GBBS mods have to go through enforcing the rules there? Granted, most of the time they're awful, but you get my point. Nobody is unbias, so there would always be arguing, thus drowning out any potential interesting talk about a fight. Terrible idea.
Cors Gallente It's A Trap	Posted - 2009.06.03 11:26:00 - [23] Edited by: Cors on 03/06/2009 11:30:27 You folks are missing the point. It's not a forum for discussion. It's a forum for ONE post, by each side of the fight in a specific system, on a specific day. They can epeen the post all they want. But then the others in the fight can do the same. But once that post is posted, that's it. No replies. Maybe make it non editable. We EXPECT them to chest beat in the post. But with the ability to quickly look at the killboards for each side in the engagement, we can see who came out on top. No general members giveing stupid replies, no folks posting "First". Or IBTL, or any other inane ****. No alliance haveing half their members posting replies with no real substance for pages and pages of replies. All the Mods would have to do is wait till each side has posted, maybe 6-8 posts for the 6-8 alliance's involved, do a quick run through on the killboards that are posted, and if a corp/alliance posted that wasn't a PART of the fight, they get their post deleted. Once each fight has all the participants posted, it can be locked. The whole IDEA of the Battle Reports forums is to keep things to a quick concise and LIMITED set of posts. So limited, that it's actually useful. The whole problem with CAOD is that there are so MANY posts every day, threadnaughts that the GM's have to spend hours wadeing through. Reading hundreds, of thousands of posts. The Battle Report thread would have posts that would never go beyond a single page worth of posts per thread. A single MOD could log in, go through the whole first page of the forum in under 5 mins. And be done with it. Hell, if CCP wants, I'll an alt, they can give it mod powers, and I'LL do the modding. Most likely though it would be the "sweet" job for the mod team, as it would be the easiest forum section to moderate.
Reckoning 09 Gallente Blood Moon Legion	Posted - 2009.06.03 11:42:00 - [24] Edited by: Reckoning 09 on 03/06/2009 11:42:45 we already have one but no one uses it http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=channel&channelID=904713
Lasakywa Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.06.03 11:57:00 - [25] good idea. will never happen.
Major Stormer Caldari MEK Enterprises	Posted - 2009.06.03 16:28:00 - [26] Edited by: Major Stormer on 03/06/2009 16:30:55 Originally by: Thucydides Milesias Originally by: DHB FooFighter Reports forum And how useful is that when Major Stormer barges in, deletes most of the posts (including a lot of useful ones), and bans anyone he doesn't like? SHC is an excellent example of forum moderation gone off the deep end. I dont like anyone, therefore everyone who posts there is banned anyway It explains the constantly good battle reports coming from everyone who is banned there, somehow. GBBS is there for people to read, which most of the people do. If you want to add your opinion you need to comply with overwelmingly strict rules, dont, and its back to just reading the forum. Its not hard. --- http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com
Nyphix Amarr Shade. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.06.03 19:45:00 - [27] The people who you'd expect to post in this new forum already do so on the Scrapheap Challenge forums, where they can count on good fair moderation, restrictions on people who don't matter posting at all, and punishment for people who talk irrelevant drivel afaik. None of those things exist on these forums, or could be done by CCP. lol'd
Vladic Ka Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.06.03 19:52:00 - [28] Originally by: Major Stormer I dont like anyone, therefore everyone who posts there is banned anyway It explains the constantly good battle reports coming from everyone who is banned there, somehow. GBBS is there for people to read, which most of the people do. If you want to add your opinion you need to comply with overwelmingly strict rules, dont, and its back to just reading the forum. Its not hard. Why do you not delete the kenny/exe reach-around in that thread then?
Homefries Minmatar DiXie NorMous ConStruction	Posted - 2009.06.03 22:00:00 - [29] Originally by: DHB FooFighter Reports forum +1 Another site I like to read. A bit biased towards the Goonswarm perspective but is often very interesting. I am a new player to EVE, and both SHC and f13 have significantly affected my training program and have simplified my search for those Alliances/Corps where it looks like I would be the best eventual fit. (once I finally get the skills I need to fly the types of ships that are used by those guys--I only have another 220 days to go and I'll be set, lol). Sometimes CAOD is fun to read, but more often than not I find myself simply ignoring most threads and checking on SHC and f13 for the interesting stuff. Furthermore, I think Darius Johnson's opinion on the importance of the forums is right on. I believe they significantly contribute towards to feeling of "something happening" from a community perspective. They help generate a sense of urgency that motivates people to log on. Without the forums, without the drama, without the competition between the various groups, EVE would be just another MMO where people sort of "run around" accumulating virtual stuff with no real objective outside of some CCP contrived storyline. My thanks to all who post the good stuff on SHC and f13. You've made the game much more interesting to me.
Dog Solitude Minmatar Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.06.04 03:03:00 - [30] I think you need an out of game forum like SHC to truly have any kind of reasonable discussion without the one word memes and flame/smack fests that go on with CAOD. CCP can't institute rules like that because there would be a threadnaught populated by 75% of the posters on this forum whining about their "freedom of expression". Plus, people are paying for this service so it limits CCP's ability to deny their "clients" any sort of rights. And I think it goes without saying, but guys like Major Stormer are doing an excellent job with scrapheap and are truly providing a great service to the eve community. Keep it up and don't worry about the whiners here. There will always be angry people who just like being angry with stuff.



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