Suicide Ganking for those that don't know:

"Suicide ganking" refers to the practice of intentionally attacking enemies in high-security space, with the expectation of losing one's ship to Concord. Some targets have very valuable items equipped and/or very valuable items in their cargo, and killing them and recovering the items that are dropped will pay for the costs incurred in losing the ships necessary to kill it. Concord response times are longer in lower-sec systems, so suicide ganking is generally most profitable in 0.5.

So here's the proposal:

To counter Suicide Ganking a change could be made to Cargo Scanning\Usage of Cargo Scanners whereby activating the module on any ship is the same as activating any other weapon\Warp Scrambling\Area of Effect (AoE)\ECM e.t.c. and should incur the same penalties e.g. Concord and\or Sentry Gun response.

This would exclude NPC Convoys as they are obviously a valid target all over the EVE Universe.

My thoughts behind this are you can cargo scan any ship you like and pick the "cherry's from the tree". This is all well and good except that High Security Systems are not High Security with Suicide Ganking being so prolific and nothing to counter.

Now I know a lot of comments will say "Well don't AFK jump" e.t.c e.t.c but you know sometimes RL does impact on GL. An example would be that your doorbell rings, your phone goes, a pipe bursts in the kitchen, you have a chronic case of diarrhoea but just gotta get that mission finished or for a more pressing matter which personally happened to me: your girlfriend comes to you, bent double in pain and you have to rush her to A&E. Now given any one of the situations (especially the last) the last thing on my mind was to dock up. Some things in RL just can't wait!

So why not make it a little more Secure in "High Security" space and make Cargo Scanning an offence just as any other act that interferes with a ship does.

Case in point:

A Target Painter will not harm a ship, cause it to lose functionality or affect it in any way. However it is still an action that is criminalized by Concord and I think Cargo Scanning should fall into the same category. This would mean that gankers come better prepared or have to get more people together to actually suicide gank Capsuleers...more risk = more thought.

I have Flame Suit at Level 5 with a +60% Effectiveness so let's have you comments and see what your thoughts are. Please keep be polite and add something to this discussion. If you don't like it say why and explain and if you do great, but if you do and can add something to make it better\fairer then let's go and hopefully someone might take this idea on-board.

Thank you for reading and your time,

Max.

I'd be fine with this if you'd be willing to make all NPC corp characters valid targets in high sec.

I'm not sure how that works to be honest or how it impacts this suggestion, could you explain a little further please?

I'm not sure how that works to be honest or how it impacts this suggestion, could you explain a little further please?

A Target Painter will not harm a ship, cause it to lose functionality or affect it in any way. However it is still an action that is criminalized by Concord and I think Cargo Scanning should fall into the same category. This would mean that gankers come better prepared or have to get more people together to actually suicide gank Capsuleers...more risk = more thought.

NPC corp hauling alts are impervious to war dec mechanics, suicide ganking is the only viable(ish) counter to dropping to an NPC corp.

Your suggestion kills suicide ganking of transport ships, and so renders them invulnerable. Hence, allow attacking NPC corp alts for balance. It's a terrible solution, but then IMHO it's a terrible proposal.

I had a ship explosion aoe damage idea and people were saying it would be bad in highsec. But that could be it, The ship explosion aoe dmg is caused by the people that killed it not the person the died in it unless they self-destructed. So a ganker pops a transport in jita and the aoe damage hits everyone, the ganker then gets the sec status hit for all of the things hit from the aoe damage by the target ship being popped.

Why don't you just say you want more severe sec status penalties, instead of wrapping it up in some silly mechanic that will be annoying for people in pods/low ehp ships?

Because Im trying to push my ship explosion aoe damage idea. Also when I was a noob with bad skills highsec was a place you could mine or mission and be safe unless you got wardeced.

Besides the AOE, Mining ships mainly t2 need a major tank buff. The hulk should be setup for a passive shield tank equal to a HAC. Freighters should fly with pvp fleets if there is that much at stake.

If people learned how to fly their ships and be safe, suicide ganking would become the most elite form of PvP in EVE.

There is a solution to ganking, one that would make it nearly extinct.

Learn to fly ships right.


If people learned how to fly their ships and be safe, suicide ganking would become the most elite form of PvP in EVE.

to me the best way to counter HS ganking suicide is that CCP implant IG a ship module who could brake for a short time (enaffly to warp out) warp jammer.

to me it is not so hard to do it and fastly implanted.

hogwash... you know darn well that it doesn't matter how "well" you fly, if they want you dead it's possible to kill you at will unless you choose not to fly at all.

You are in public, you can be seen, you can be scanned. It is a normal part of the game.

if you don't want your cargo scanned (or rather you don't want to be ganked), either fly a blockade runner, cloak warp and use undock instas, or use an orcas corp bay, or fly below a reasonable gank limit in your freighter - and use different ships for different loads.

ie what you are proposing is dumb, especially when there are multiple ingame mechanics that allow you to deal with scanning.

While making it a GCC even where concord will intervene is overboard.
Something does need to change. Currently, you can use a passive targeting module to lock someone without their knowledge, ( not a problem in itself ) then use a cargo or ship scanner and the target has no way of knowing he was scanned.
Either change it where activating the scanner notifies the subject via pop up, or some form of notification. Or make the action similar to taking from a jetcan, not hostile of itself, but if you want to nose around in my cargo, you should be subject to retribution of some sort.
I can chose to attack you first. No action without consequences after all. Since there's no real counter to a cargo scanner, it does need some form of change.

While making it a GCC even where concord will intervene is overboard.
Something does need to change. Currently, you can use a passive targeting module to lock someone without their knowledge, ( not a problem in itself ) then use a cargo or ship scanner and the target has no way of knowing he was scanned.
Either change it where activating the scanner notifies the subject via pop up, or some form of notification. Or make the action similar to taking from a jetcan, not hostile of itself, but if you want to nose around in my cargo, you should be subject to retribution of some sort.
I can chose to attack you first. No action without consequences after all. Since there's no real counter to a cargo scanner, it does need some form of change.