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Kodavor
Mine3
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Posted - 2012.05.14 13:17:00 -
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Greetings . Some of you folk may know me but most probably do not . I am 1/3 of ISN's management . I crunch the numbers for our pilots and assist with the fleet compositions and setups to balance the fleet out and maximize its performance .
As of late I have done Assaults more often then before and noticed that there is quite a difference in pilot behavior in larger fleets . I would guess that the same goes for HQ's . Many VG fleets , once set up , run for 2-3 hours without any changes . Nobody leaves and people chat a few if they wish to . Apart from the odd bio brake a VG fleet can run without any issues for quite a long time , granted a good FC and pilots . However all of the Assault fleets and HQ fleets that I have taken part of tend to lose pilots ever 30-40 minutes all the time . So I wodered :
What sites Do you , Pilots , prefer to do and for what reasons ? Pre and post Inferno .
Personally I like compact fleets . If I had to FC an assault fleet I woul ( granted the necessary number of pilots to run it optimaly ) but I would not enjoy it . For me , the smaller the fleet , the closer I feel to the pilots that fly with me . That is what I like in VG fleets .
Regards
Lauris |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
160
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:04:00 -
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The same as you, VGs. Smaller and easier to setup and maintain
On holiday. -áIn some other world.
Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours.
To a bright centre of absolute convicton where the dripping patchouli was more than scent,
It was a sun-á |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
111
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:39:00 -
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back in 2006, i used to lead 40man raids in WoW. it was a nightmare. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
30
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:01:00 -
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I'd prefer to fly lesser fleets in vanguards but lately most of publicly available vanguard fleets are terribad - today I've seen vanguard pug FC who grabbed pilot from well known grief-corp from top of TDF blacklist. Many of these guys don't have any idea of what they are doing. You can clearly see results by comparing amount of lost ship in incursion constellation: vanguard systems = x2-3 more destroyed ships than AS/HQ despite fact HQ system is much more crowded.
Risk / income ratio is way better in HQ/AS sites now. At least for public fleets. |
Kodavor
Mine3
14
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:16:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:I'd prefer to fly lesser fleets in vanguards but lately most of publicly available vanguard fleets are terribad - today I've seen vanguard pug FC who grabbed pilot from well known grief-corp from top of TDF blacklist. Many of these guys don't have any idea of what they are doing. You can clearly see results by comparing amount of lost ship in incursion constellation: vanguard systems = x2-3 more destroyed ships than AS/HQ despite fact HQ system is much more crowded.
Risk / income ratio is way better in HQ/AS sites now. At least for public fleets.
Guess that would explain the lack of pilots in general as well . All the pilots that did not want to fly in Ass/HQ's simply went someplace else .
Thank you for sharing your preferences . |
The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
Mean Coalition
30
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Posted - 2012.05.15 08:57:00 -
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It is mostly that you see more casual people in assault fleets, the same people that stay for hours in VG fleets generally do the same in bigger gangs from my experience. Best thing I have seen where the fleets from Ludus last year that had a pretty much 100% uptime over hours, given that most people in his gangs flown VGs with him before and many of the regular people in the fleet did simply change ships if you where a sniper, T3 or Logi short, what made filling up the wait list or fleet very easy and quick.
It is not so much what site you do, but making the it smooth and efficient. |
xVx dreadnaught
The Dude's Interstellar Enterprizes
Quixotic Hegemony
51
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Posted - 2012.05.15 11:14:00 -
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For when I'm chilled out and just on autopilot, or grinding to make enough isk to make plex I hit up Vanguard sites.
When I am more active and actually want to do something, I'll form up or join an Assault fleet. If things are going well and there's enough people X'ing up in channels then it will double up to HQ's.
Only done Headquarters a few times... But I really enjoy them, especially TCRC's they really keep you on your toes (when you're pulling or dumping the M-tac's) you need to keep an eye on a stopwatch for depositing. If you're off by a few seconds you can deplete your supply of M-tac's faster than they are spawned, too slow and the tower repairs all of its shields in a matter of seconds, putting your fleet right back at square one. While at the same time you are following targets and providing DPS as well as keeping an eye on your tank, calling for reps as soon as red-boxed.
TCRC's are mentally exhausting, but can be one of the quicker HQ sites to complete. |
Kodavor
Mine3
14
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Posted - 2012.05.15 11:20:00 -
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Quote:TCRC's are mentally exhausting,
Personally for me everthing above Vanguard sites in incursions are mentaly exhausting . I come here to relax and play the game - not to do a second job . I have absolutely nothing that I need to prove to anyone here to be at peace with my mind . |
xVx dreadnaught
The Dude's Interstellar Enterprizes
Quixotic Hegemony
51
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Posted - 2012.05.15 11:48:00 -
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Kodavor wrote:Quote:TCRC's are mentally exhausting, Personally for me everthing above Vanguard sites in incursions are mentaly exhausting . I come here to relax and play the game - not to do a second job . I have absolutely nothing that I need to prove to anyone here to be at peace with my mind .
lol, I don't do Assaults and Headquarters to prove anything to anyone. I find them more challenging and entertaining. I don't enjoy grinding Vanguards over and over for isk. It just becomes mind numbingly boring.
And in a competitive environment where it's blitzing and stealing sites from one another in Vanguards, who isn't trying to prove themselves?
I believe ISN put out a video showing "OMG look how we can still blitz OTA's post patch... BOOYAH!"
So yeah... Vanguards are totally not about proving anything to anyone. Unless you are part of one of these super elite communities that will actively follow people in Vanguard systems and hound them until they are harassed out of doing sites in that system and sometimes constellation.
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Kodavor
Mine3
14
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Posted - 2012.05.15 11:55:00 -
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Quote:Personally for me everthing above Vanguard sites in incursions are mentaly exhausting . I come here to relax and play the game - not to do a second job . I have absolutely nothing that I need to prove to anyone here to be at peace with my mind .
Thank you Mr. xVx Dreadnaught for the post Nr. #7 |
xVx dreadnaught
The Dude's Interstellar Enterprizes
Quixotic Hegemony
52
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Posted - 2012.05.15 12:16:00 -
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Quote:I crunch the numbers for our pilots and assist with the fleet compositions and setups to balance the fleet out and maximize its performance .
Because that doesn't sound like a second job 
and, I'm terribly sorry for pointing out that elite fleets like SSN and ISN will actually hound and harass lesser fleets. That they will land on a gate just after someone else has just went inside and then follow to prove that they can take whatever sites they want. And have members that will smack talk in local and fist pump over how awesome they are.
I guess as management for ISN, you could do be in a position to introduce policy about these activities. |
Kodavor
Mine3
14
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Posted - 2012.05.15 12:34:00 -
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Quote:I crunch the numbers for our pilots and assist with the fleet compositions and setups to balance the fleet out and maximize its performance .
My hobby .I enjoy it . %)
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That they will land on a gate just after someone else has just went inside and then follow to prove that they can take whatever sites they want.
This was eradicated with the Escalation patch . Along with hundreads of pilots . |
xVx dreadnaught
The Dude's Interstellar Enterprizes
Quixotic Hegemony
52
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Posted - 2012.05.15 12:51:00 -
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Kodavor wrote:
This was eradicated with the Escalation patch . Along with hundreads of pilots .
Only because there is a drop in numbers of active fleets.
I have no doubt that once the number of active incursion runners starts to climb again that the elite fleets will start being more aggressive in competing and "stealing" sites away from lesser fleets as a way to get completion times down and back towards their previous "post patch" isk/hour rates.
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Boz Wel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.05.15 14:19:00 -
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Getting horribly off topic here, but I liked contesting sites. The sites themselves aren't challenging, but racing against another fleet to complete them can be. If you took that as getting "hounded" and "harassed", rather than just a bit of friendly competition, you should look into some thicker skin.
Kodavor, one question for you - do you find your form-up times to be longer with the larger groups? Personally, I find that nothing wears me down longer than sitting and waiting on the fleet to form-up, and I've seen some fleets where by the time we actually get moving, half the people are ready to quit. My guess would be that's at least one reason why you're seeing more people drop out in the larger sites. |
xVx dreadnaught
The Dude's Interstellar Enterprizes
Quixotic Hegemony
52
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Posted - 2012.05.15 14:41:00 -
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Boz Wel wrote:Getting horribly off topic here, but I liked contesting sites. The sites themselves aren't challenging, but racing against another fleet to complete them can be. If you took that as getting "hounded" and "harassed", rather than just a bit of friendly competition, you should look into some thicker skin.
Kodavor, one question for you - do you find your form-up times to be longer with the larger groups? Personally, I find that nothing wears me down longer than sitting and waiting on the fleet to form-up, and I've seen some fleets where by the time we actually get moving, half the people are ready to quit. My guess would be that's at least one reason why you're seeing more people drop out in the larger sites.
I have no problem with contesting... I used to contest against elite fleets with a fleet of mixed ships and win. I preferred to out think than out spend to win. The difference can be the FC
It stops being competition and starts to be harassment when you begin following a fleet into every pocket they do. I've seen some "Elite" fleets be complete dicks about winning as well. As far as I'm concerned anything that isn't "gg" or "gf" or "gc".. or anything to that effect. Is just being rude.
As for your other point I don't think ISN do bigger sites. So asking Kodavor about forming up Assaults and Headquarters wouldn't make sense to me. [Edited typo]
My personal experience is that it didn't take any time to form for Assaults... once you have a Vanguard fleet active you keep recruiting to the "wait/Assault" list. Bringing in the snipers needed. Once you have 6 Logi's 7 sniper and 7 closerange (Pre patch... possibly 9 sniper and 5 closerange now) You broadcast the Assault system and start |
Kodavor
Mine3
14
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Posted - 2012.05.15 15:59:00 -
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Quote:once you have a Vanguard fleet active you keep recruiting to the "wait/Assault" list.
This works . If you have the people to start the Vanguard sites >.<
Quote:Kodavor, one question for you - do you find your form-up times to be longer with the larger groups? Personally, I find that nothing wears me down longer than sitting and waiting on the fleet to form-up, and I've seen some fleets where by the time we actually get moving, half the people are ready to quit. My guess would be that's at least one reason why you're seeing more people drop out in the larger sites.
If one forms specificaly for Ass/HQ fleets because he does not like to do any other sites then yes . Your point would be very much in place . |
xVx dreadnaught
The Dude's Interstellar Enterprizes
Quixotic Hegemony
52
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Posted - 2012.05.15 17:02:00 -
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It's all hit or miss... I've seen really slow days where getting a VG fleet together can take over an hour. Others where we've formed an Assault fleet in half that... and by the time we've finished the first site we've recruited enough people to start the Headquarters.
The thing that sinks most fleets on Assaults and Headquarters is replacing people leaving. Because they aren't as popular as VG's not as many people X up for them. At least if someone does say they are leaving after another site or so, that you have plenty of time to recruit someone. But if say 4-5 people say they are going at once, often a fleet will disband or take a decent sized bio break to give them to recruit others. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
188
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Posted - 2012.05.16 04:56:00 -
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xVx dreadnaught wrote:
I believe ISN put out a video showing "OMG look how we can still blitz OTA's post patch... BOOYAH!"
lol & Vanguards are still stacking like pancakes 
face it he OTA's are the NCN's of VG's & are killing incursions.
Vanguards are about as balanced right now as an elephant & an infant on a see saw
CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Lustralis
Tiny Holdings
1
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Posted - 2012.05.16 07:24:00 -
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Let me widen this out a little: How do you find a good FC and a good squad? It's pretty random IMHO if you're just X'ing up in any old fleet.
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Kodavor
Mine3
14
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Posted - 2012.05.16 08:49:00 -
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Lustralis wrote:Let me widen this out a little: How do you find a good FC and a good squad? It's pretty random IMHO if you're just X'ing up in any old fleet.
Any old fleet would be pretty risky . Now one as to look up the forms or sk around for the incursions chat channels ingae that are till holding some pilots and FC that stayed around .
Thobac to the tpic plase . Site and fleet size preferences . |
xVx dreadnaught
The Dude's Interstellar Enterprizes
Quixotic Hegemony
52
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Posted - 2012.05.16 20:49:00 -
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Lustralis wrote:Let me widen this out a little: How do you find a good FC and a good squad? It's pretty random IMHO if you're just X'ing up in any old fleet.
If you join one of the large main community channels that vet pilots and expel griefers you will be safer and have less likely-hood of landing in a poor run fleet,
Most FC's or even recruiters for bigger fleets will post stating what they are looking for. The quickest way to get a fleet is when you see someone advertising looking for DPS/Logi/T3/Sniper... I "X" up and link the fit for the ship I have for the job.
At the height of my Incursion activity I had my alt bring an Orca, I piloted the Battleship. I had a spare T3 DPS, Guardian and Oneiros inside the Orca. If I was in the Paladin or any of the logi's my alt would change the fit on the T3 to provide gagnlinks.
Primary Shield Channel: BTL pub
Primary Armor Channel: The Ditanian Fleet
There are sub-communities, but these are the biggest and generally most accepting channels |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
188
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Posted - 2012.05.17 01:41:00 -
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xVx dreadnaught wrote:Kodavor wrote:
This was eradicated with the Escalation patch . Along with hundreads of pilots .
Only because there is a drop in numbers of active fleets. I have no doubt that once the number of active incursion runners starts to climb again that the elite fleets will start being more aggressive in competing and "stealing" sites away from lesser fleets as a way to get completion times down and back towards their previous "post patch" isk/hour rates.
TBH the patch's mechanics I believe has put a steak thru the heart of competeing for sites. A legion fleet can no longer swoop a NCO & a mach/NM fleet can no longer swoop an OTA
CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
xVx dreadnaught
The Dude's Interstellar Enterprizes
Quixotic Hegemony
52
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Posted - 2012.05.17 06:28:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:xVx dreadnaught wrote:Kodavor wrote:
This was eradicated with the Escalation patch . Along with hundreads of pilots .
Only because there is a drop in numbers of active fleets. I have no doubt that once the number of active incursion runners starts to climb again that the elite fleets will start being more aggressive in competing and "stealing" sites away from lesser fleets as a way to get completion times down and back towards their previous "post patch" isk/hour rates. TBH the patch's mechanics I believe has put a steak thru the heart of competeing for sites. A legion fleet can no longer swoop a NCO & a mach/NM fleet can no longer swoop an OTA
A mach/nm fleet would still put down more damage in an OTA against an Average fleet.
I only think because what would I do if I wanted to capitalize on it. If I saw a fleet doing OTA's in the same system as my OTA blitzing fleet. Even if they are hacking the sites. I'd chase them into the sites and win them out from under them, letting their guns assist us in finishing quicker. |
Ymmi Stenson
Aquila Crysaetos
Aquila Societatem
0
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Posted - 2012.05.18 21:34:00 -
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Kodavor wrote:Greetings . Some of you folk may know me but most probably do not . I am 1/3 of ISN's management . I crunch the numbers for our pilots and assist with the fleet compositions and setups to balance the fleet out and maximize its performance .
As of late I have done Assaults more often then before and noticed that there is quite a difference in pilot behavior in larger fleets . I would guess that the same goes for HQ's . Many VG fleets , once set up , run for 2-3 hours without any changes . Nobody leaves and people chat a few if they wish to . Apart from the odd bio brake a VG fleet can run without any issues for quite a long time , granted a good FC and pilots . However all of the Assault fleets and HQ fleets that I have taken part of tend to lose pilots ever 30-40 minutes all the time . So I wodered :
What sites Do you , Pilots , prefer to do and for what reasons ? Pre and post Inferno .
Personally I like compact fleets . If I had to FC an assault fleet I would ( granted the necessary number of pilots to run it optimaly ) but I would not enjoy it . For me , the smaller the fleet , the closer I feel to the pilots that fly with me . That is what I like in VG fleets .
Regards
Lauris
Now imagine keeping 2000 drunken trigger happy capsuleers on hold for three hours at Saturday night waiting for enemy to show up. |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
174
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Posted - 2012.05.18 21:39:00 -
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ran a few HQ and assault fleets the last few days and about fell asleep doing them as they were so long and tedious. Another reason to stick to VG's
On holiday. -áIn some other world.
Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours.
To a bright centre of absolute convicton where the dripping patchouli was more than scent,
It was a sun-á |
Kodavor
Mine3
14
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Posted - 2012.05.18 21:42:00 -
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Ymmi Stenson wrote:Kodavor wrote:Greetings . Some of you folk may know me but most probably do not . I am 1/3 of ISN's management . I crunch the numbers for our pilots and assist with the fleet compositions and setups to balance the fleet out and maximize its performance .
As of late I have done Assaults more often then before and noticed that there is quite a difference in pilot behavior in larger fleets . I would guess that the same goes for HQ's . Many VG fleets , once set up , run for 2-3 hours without any changes . Nobody leaves and people chat a few if they wish to . Apart from the odd bio brake a VG fleet can run without any issues for quite a long time , granted a good FC and pilots . However all of the Assault fleets and HQ fleets that I have taken part of tend to lose pilots ever 30-40 minutes all the time . So I wodered :
What sites Do you , Pilots , prefer to do and for what reasons ? Pre and post Inferno .
Personally I like compact fleets . If I had to FC an assault fleet I would ( granted the necessary number of pilots to run it optimaly ) but I would not enjoy it . For me , the smaller the fleet , the closer I feel to the pilots that fly with me . That is what I like in VG fleets .
Regards
Lauris Now imagine keeping 2000 drunken trigger happy capsuleers on hold for three hours at Saturday night waiting for enemy to show up.
I can't . >.<
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