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Generalkey
Primary Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.05 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: Generalkey on 05/06/2009 11:10:45
Greetings,
Please be aware this post will be lengthy.
I wish all comments to be constructive and contain comments on ways to improve the bond, any worries you would feel if you were to invest.
FYI this is my first bond offering and most likely my first major post in the MD forum.
Primary Industries Bond Offering
ò Chapter 1 - Summary of Primary Industries
ò Chapter 2 - Background
ò Chapter 3 - Coporate Governance
ò Chapter 4 - The Business Plan
ò Chapter 5 - Statement of Assets
ò Chapter 6 - Full Disclosure of Risks
ò Chapter 7 - Full Disclosure of Main and Alts
ò Chapter 8 - Exit Strategy
ò Chapter 9 - Bond Phases, Dividends, Market Cap
ò Chapter 10 - FAQ
Chapter 1 - Summary of Primary Industries
Primary Industries is primarily an Industrial Corporation that has ventured in all forms of isk generation baring a few. A mixed group of Australian, UK and European members working as a team to get what we are trying to achieve. After returning to empire we continued with our T1 construction and invention programs.
Chapter 2 - Background
Previously I have coordinated several production and trading schemes using my own isk and had been very successful becoming a multi billionaire within a month from 200m isk. Once I had reached a goal I had set I rested for a month and began earning isk for the corporation in a similar fashion opening up/strengthening trading hubs in high populated areas.
Recently I have been teaching a real life friend (also director within the corp) the mechanics of earning isk in Eve Online which he took very well and has begun making his own isk.
A director and I had begun to talk about running an IPO to experience the full potential of our ideas and work together as team. We feel with my previous experience and both of our willingness we will be able to take this to the next level and expand our production and trading to its full potential.
Chapter 3 - Corporate Governance
Primary Industries has 3 main directors, The Jacks whom runs our mining/invention section, VileÆer who runs our mission and production section and myself who runs overlooks all sections within corp specializing in trading/production and PvP.
All decision are put forth through myself, all great ideas is then open to all members within the corporation to post theyÆre views. Judged on what opinions I receive normally majority rule a decision will be put into practice.
As mentioned above there is 3 Directors within the corporation myself is included who have access to the corporation wallet. All members I trust and have been playing together for some years in and out of EVE.
The 3rd director will not be using the corporation wallet at all with this Bond and can have the corporation wallet role removed during the duration if investors wish.
Chapter 4 - The Business Plan
Primary Industries has a range of products we produce:
Sub Capital Production
Rigs and Ship Modules
Invention Products
All materials required are obtained within the corporation from missions running/mining/exploration and a large portion from jump specific and regional buy orders.
We intend to run a highly liquid form business, for example we will not be buying any BPOÆs for this Bond.
We want as much isk available at all times to jump on opportunities and continue a large amount of buy orders to continue production at all times.
In the past we have had some great profits on all items ranging from 5% - 300% depending on the item and demand, however we are confident we are able to continue strong growth on a larger scale.
I do not want to go in full detail on what we do and where we sell it in fear for reducing the effectiveness of the Bond, however more information can be given to paid share holders on request.
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Generalkey
Primary Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.05 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: Generalkey on 05/06/2009 11:16:30
Edited by: Generalkey on 05/06/2009 11:12:31
Chapter 5 - Statement of Assets
Myself and VileÆer both obtain our own Freighters and Blockade runners for the task which we will use to its full potential.
Chapter 6 - Full Disclosure of Risks
I have designed the structure to avoid as many risks as possible however we never know what may happen in the future.
There will be 0% secured with this bond, we will be trying to keep as much in buy orders as possible to continue making profits as much and as quick as possible. This may result in a large amount of stock on sell orders at any given time, however if the need arise we should be able to liquidate all items to repay investors.
Hit by a Bus. Both Vile and myself have each others passwords in the case one of us runs into trouble in real life, however this is unlikely to happen but is there just in case.
War Decs on the corporation. This will slow down production greatly we will not be using freighters if at war, but we will be able to move smaller goods with blockade runners escorted by falcons/scouts to continue to make profit. This however can increase the amount of stock on hand and will lose extra profits once the wardec is finished.
Primary Industries has fared well in wars in the past restricting enemy kills to a bare min while doing large damage against them. All members are PVP trained and work well as a team.
Low Sec hauling will only be done with Blockade runners with scouts to ensure the way is safe.
Market saturation has been discussed of our main markets, this can be a possible and we will move some asset to a newer market were we are certain profits will not be the same.
Chapter 7 - Full Disclosure of Main and Alts
My main is Generalkey, I will be using this as a face for the IPO due to my in game reputation with quite a few people, however my alt Hauler Mcaltish will be doing the majority of the hard work.
My alts are the following:
Generalkey (Main and CEO) 1st account
Business Mcaltish (Trading Alt)
Hauler Mcaltish (Hauling/Trading/Production) 2nd account
General Key (useless alt not in corporation currently training for Dreads on this toon) 3rd account
VileÆer (Main and Director)
VileÆest (PvP and Mission Toon)
EnjÆuniÆty (production and trading toon)
Chapter 8 - Exit Strategy
After 3 months we will be buying back all shares at the purchased price, depending on our profits we may see fit to increase the final dividend as a thank you for giving us this opportunity.
If this bond was to end early we will liquidate all assets and cancel all buy orders. All investments will be paid back in full + expected dividens. I will use my personal isk to ensure this is done to the full amount as expected if the need arises. Patience will also be asked if sufficient liquid isk is not available to repay all at once.
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Generalkey
Primary Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.05 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: Generalkey on 05/06/2009 11:18:18
Edited by: Generalkey on 05/06/2009 11:15:49
Chapter 9 - IPO Phases, Dividends, Market Cap
Total Number of Shares
100
Price Per Share
100,000,000 (100m)
Anticipated Market Capitalization
10b
Max Investment Per Person
1b (10 shares)
Dividend Schedule
Monthly
Projected Return per Dividend Payment(%)
5.0%
Mature Date
3 Months û Potential to go longer depending on burn out levels and investorÆs approval.
Chapter 10 - FAQ
Q: How do I know this isn't a scam?
A: You never know, however I know I will not scam in any form nor will my counterpart. To go further on this we are a small empire corporation that has experienced all forms of the game, we are doing this for the experience not the isk.
Q: How do you know you'll be successful?
A: We will be expanding a venture we have both used in game already, however we will be somewhat starting from scratch for this bond. A slow start is expected.
Q: Why are you doing this?
A: Its something myself I have been interested in trying, I enjoy getting involved with every game I play to experience as much as I possibly can.
Q: Do you intend to have an audit done at some point?
A: I would prefer an audit to be done ASAP for investors peace of mind, I have nothing to hide beside a few of my special trading practices.
Q: What's your background?
A: For the first year of my eve career I did a lot of missions and mining as I learned the game I moved onto pvp. This turned into a career as a CEO of a pirating corporation which I had left 8 or so months after it was created, to move onto other experiences. The last year or so of my Eve career I have been experimenting with the market and pvping in low sec as a stimulant.
Q: Will you ever pay over 5% dividends?
A: Depending of profits, I would like to pay more if things go extremely well.
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Generalkey
Primary Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.05 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: Generalkey on 05/06/2009 11:24:41
Edited by: Generalkey on 05/06/2009 11:20:48
Edited by: Generalkey on 05/06/2009 11:20:19
NO RESERVATIONS ARE TO BE MADE.
This thread is for discussion only until all wrinkles are ironed out.
I would like to thank the MD community for organising a template, this has saved me a lot of hard work.
If a known auditor is interested in auditing this bond i will be very happy to talk to you.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.06.05 11:29:00 -
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so first.
also, nice write up....
then... audit? where is it?
contact the SCS or Kazzac they seem to be the cream of the cream.
reserving 1B pending a succesfull audit..
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"Lecherito on Market Discussion: Though I have to go down on the record as saying that I'm convinced the majority of the MD community is ******ed"
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Generalkey
Primary Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.05 11:32:00 -
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then... audit? where is it?
contact the SCS or Kazzac they seem to be the cream of the cream.
Thank you for the advice i will get in contact with either party when i can.
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Marcus Baltar
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Posted - 2009.06.05 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Generalkey
Total Number of Shares
100
Price Per Share
100,000,000 (100m)
Anticipated Market Capitalization
10b
Max Investment Per Person
1b (10 shares)
Dividend Schedule
Monthly
Projected Return per Dividend Payment(%)
5.0%
Will you be using the in-game share system?
An in-game corporation is automatically created with 1,000 shares and you cannot reduce this.
You are only selling 100 shares - what will happen to the other 900? If you intend to use the in-game dividend system you will have to enter a figure ten times higher than what you intend the share/bond holders to receive, or spam the system.
I suggest that you increase the number of shares released to the full 1,000 (easy to spot any discrepancies in actual/published share volume) and lower the price per share to keep the same total capitalisation (ie. 1,000 shares at 10,000,000 ISK each), maybe lower the maximum investment to encourage newer investors.
Also, if it is a bond, it would not be a projected return, but a fixed return.
I would also suggest when an audit is completed if there are any changes (2 on the second post already) reposting the launch/IPO/bond details together with the audit details so as to incorporate any changes into an unedited posting to create a new original document. EveSearch is great (thanks Chribba  ) but once editing is done then the original is corrupted. (Not explaining that very well, but I hope you get the idea).
My 0.01 ISK opinion. 
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Saehta
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Posted - 2009.06.05 12:04:00 -
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I'll be awaiting the new post and the IPO launch.
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Generalkey
Primary Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.05 12:15:00 -
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Will you be using the in-game share system?
An in-game corporation is automatically created with 1,000 shares and you cannot reduce this.
You are only selling 100 shares - what will happen to the other 900? If you intend to use the in-game dividend system you will have to enter a figure ten times higher than what you intend the share/bond holders to receive, or spam the system.
I suggest that you increase the number of shares released to the full 1,000 (easy to spot any discrepancies in actual/published share volume) and lower the price per share to keep the same total capitalisation (ie. 1,000 shares at 10,000,000 ISK each), maybe lower the maximum investment to encourage newer investors.
After staring at word for so long this popped in my head but just disappeared :(.
I was considering using the in game share system, however i didnt want to use the div system it uses.
Im considering issuing shares as per the amount an investor purchases but paying each one by one that way i can be sure each got paid correctly.
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Also, if it is a bond, it would not be a projected return, but a fixed return.
Good point, but if profits are good i want to pay more to those who invest. This figure will not go down at all.
I am looking for an experience and have opted to reward those who give this opportunity.
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I would also suggest when an audit is completed if there are any changes (2 on the second post already) reposting the launch/IPO/bond details together with the audit details so as to incorporate any changes into an unedited posting to create a new original document. EveSearch is great (thanks Chribba ) but once editing is done then the original is corrupted. (Not explaining that very well, but I hope you get the idea).
I do apoligise about the edits, some terrible spelling errors are to blame.
This was posted as a discussion thread originally, when it comes to selling the shares a brand new thread will be made with all relevant information including an audit.
I would prefer though the person running the audit to post the full audit themselves.
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My 0.01 ISK opinion.
You have been a great help thankyou.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.06.05 12:34:00 -
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Why no purchasing of prints when its going to primarily be a production operation?
Within your T2 invention line, and mind you that you don't have to give the location(s) away, how many hubs in low sec are you planning on attempting to seed?
What portions of the bond are going to which division in the corporation? Ie, will this be used to buffer the invention side only, the production wing, etc...
-my suggestion off that would be to run a bond specifically geared towards only one particular aspect of your operation. This way failing returns don't affect the profitability of this one.
If you are running a short 3 month operation, I would also suggest delaying your divs until completion and run a total buyback or closeout. Set your interest rate slightly higher as well, 5% is pretty low given what you're asking us to swallow here. To give some perspective why, Kwint just completed not that long ago a 4-6 month... he'll correct me Im assuming... dutch style bond where I think most returns hovered in and around 5-7%.
If you are attempting to get the lowest rate possible, go with a dutch style auction starting at something higher.
What is your current NAV?
What is your current operating budget?
...thats it for now, Im sure I'll have more depending on the answers |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.06.05 12:37:00 -
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Sounds good, I may pre-reserve 5 shares for a total of 0.5B pending auditing.
I am also volounteering for a free audit, even if this won't be accepted as authoritative by some investors. |
Tamura Kamara
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Posted - 2009.06.05 12:39:00 -
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id like to reserve 10 shares |
Saehta
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Posted - 2009.06.05 12:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Generalkey
Edited by: Generalkey on 05/06/2009 11:24:41
Edited by: Generalkey on 05/06/2009 11:20:48
Edited by: Generalkey on 05/06/2009 11:20:19
NO RESERVATIONS ARE TO BE MADE.
This thread is for discussion only until all wrinkles are ironed out.
I would like to thank the MD community for organising a template, this has saved me a lot of hard work.
If a known auditor is interested in auditing this bond i will be very happy to talk to you.
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Generalkey
Primary Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.05 12:49:00 -
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Why no purchasing of prints when its going to primarily be a production operation?
We don not want isk tied down to BPO's purchasing BPC's will yes lower the profit margin but give us the ability to change production at any given time.
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Within your T2 invention line, and mind you that you don't have to give the location(s) away, how many hubs in low sec are you planning on attempting to seed?
We will not be seeding ships into low sec, we do however have a lot of contacts from our pvp days interested in t2 ships delivered to a location in hi sec.
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What portions of the bond are going to which division in the corporation? Ie, will this be used to buffer the invention side only, the production wing, etc...
-my suggestion off that would be to run a bond specifically geared towards only one particular aspect of your operation. This way failing returns don't affect the profitability of this one.
We want to be able to provide a wide range of goods, over the period some items will sell before other ones. We can adjust our production to fill orders that are selling quicker then other sections. All sections are profitable however some have quicker turnover then others.
We do not want to saturate the market we will pick our opportunities which we have done in the past, but this time with a higher capital and miss only a small majority of them if any.
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If you are running a short 3 month operation, I would also suggest delaying your divs until completion and run a total buyback or closeout. Set your interest rate slightly higher as well, 5% is pretty low given what you're asking us to swallow here. To give some perspective why, Kwint just completed not that long ago a 4-6 month... he'll correct me Im assuming... dutch style bond where I think most returns hovered in and around 5-7%.
Very interest, when i was considering a percentage i went for one i know we can reach easily. As stated above i would prefer to offer a higher interest if all goes to plan (most cases it will however we will adapt if somethings do not work out in some areas).
I would also prefer all shareholders to recieve the same amount of percentage from each share and will be easier on me come payout time.
I will see how the community feels on the matter to determine the final percentage of payouts.
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What is your current NAV?
What is your current operating budget?
I started with 200m a few months ago and managed to pull about 2b in the end after a month and some change, which is were i got the trading addiction.
I currently do not track my own NAV.
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...thats it for now, Im sure I'll have more depending on the answers
Thank you keep em coming |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.06.05 12:57:00 -
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@Saetha
I don't know what's not clear for you.
The guy wants to taste the terrain and see the possible acceptance.
By pre-stating we are willing to invest money and how much of course is not to reserve it but to help him gauge the grade of acceptance of his project.
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I currently do not track my own NAV.
You can download EMMA and have it spit out some NAV in automatic that is better than nothing.
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Saehta
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Posted - 2009.06.05 13:05:00 -
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Gotcha, I thought a guy asking for no reservations at this time meant he didnt want reservations |
Generalkey
Primary Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.05 13:22:00 -
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You can download EMMA and have it spit out some NAV in automatic that is better than nothing.
I do use emma for the production side of things however the program blows up every now again. I am aware you can obtain an amount in emma however i am currently not home to check.
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Gotcha, I thought a guy asking for no reservations at this time meant he didnt want reservations
Sorry i should have been a little clearer with that.
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Saehta
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Posted - 2009.06.05 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Generalkey
Sorry i should have been a little clearer with that.[/quote
So you aren't like the post says or you are looking for 'pre-reserves' like Vaerah thinks |
EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2009.06.05 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: EBANK Ricdic on 05/06/2009 13:49:34
Originally by: Saehta
Gotcha, I thought a guy asking for no reservations at this time meant he didnt want reservations
Love it 
Seeing as it means nothing, I will reserve 1b pending audit
If the OP does accept, I would be willing to invest regardless of audit or not for 1b. |
Eric Woo
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Posted - 2009.06.05 14:07:00 -
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As a noob in both Eve and it`s market your post makes me want to invest.
I did some reading and it seems an audit is part (in most cases) of the process so i will wait until it has been completed.
Looking forward to the launch of the bond / will monitor this topic daily.
Thanks, |
Generalkey
Primary Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.05 15:58:00 -
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So you aren't like the post says or you are looking for 'pre-reserves' like Vaerah thinks
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If the OP does accept, I would be willing to invest regardless of audit or not for 1b.
i will not be accepting any reserves atm until i get some more comments on the bond itself.
Thank you for showing your interest however :)
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Generalkey
Primary Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.05 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Eric Woo
As a noob in both Eve and it`s market your post makes me want to invest.
I did some reading and it seems an audit is part (in most cases) of the process so i will wait until it has been completed.
Looking forward to the launch of the bond / will monitor this topic daily.
Thanks,
very good to hear mate those who have posted they're interest will be mailed in game prior to the release of the bond itself.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.06.05 16:25:00 -
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So you aren't like the post says or you are looking for 'pre-reserves' like Vaerah thinks
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Thank you for showing your interest however :)
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very good to hear mate those who have posted they're interest will be mailed in game prior to the release of the bond itself
See I trained Business Mind Reading to 5
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Packtu'sa
Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp
Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.05 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Generalkey
All materials required are obtained within the corporation from missions running/mining/exploration and a large portion from jump specific and regional buy orders.
So do you buy minerals from your members at a fair market price? Or do you mine internally to 'reduce costs'? This is very important information for potential investors to know because it sheds light on your financial practices.
Forgive me if I am misunderstanding, but it seems to me that there is something big missing here. What exactly will you do with the money? Is it to increase liquidity so you can push more through assembly lines at any given time? Allow for sell orders to run longer before going to buy orders? Put out your own buy orders for materials? If you aren't buying BPOs, you have only per-run costs and per-run sales; how large is your operation if you are asking for 10bn in capital to inject into such a non-capital-intensive business? We need some specifics on what the money will be used for and why. |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.06.05 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Packtu'sa
Originally by: Generalkey
All materials required are obtained within the corporation from missions running/mining/exploration and a large portion from jump specific and regional buy orders.
So do you buy minerals from your members at a fair market price? Or do you mine internally to 'reduce costs'? This is very important information for potential investors to know because it sheds light on your financial practices.
Forgive me if I am misunderstanding, but it seems to me that there is something big missing here. What exactly will you do with the money? Is it to increase liquidity so you can push more through assembly lines at any given time? Allow for sell orders to run longer before going to buy orders? Put out your own buy orders for materials? If you aren't buying BPOs, you have only per-run costs and per-run sales; how large is your operation if you are asking for 10bn in capital to inject into such a non-capital-intensive business? We need some specifics on what the money will be used for and why.
This is sorta what I am driving at as well. There is no clear defined purpose for this 10b. At the very least you should be able to give an estimation on how much will be used for materials, extension of liquidity, etc.. |
Krathos Morpheus
Gallente
Legion Infernal
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.06.05 17:44:00 -
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Hit by a Bus. Both Vile and myself have each others passwords in the case one of us runs into trouble in real life, however this is unlikely to happen but is there just in case.
That's against the EULA, I would not say that on the forums. I'd hate to see the bond failing for you being banned, so be careful with that.
EVE Knowledge
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RothimusPrime
Honored By Death
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Posted - 2009.06.05 18:00:00 -
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Would invest pending audit.
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CEO of Honored By Death [HBDG]
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Marcus Baltar
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Posted - 2009.06.05 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Generalkey
i will not be accepting any reserves atm until i get some more comments on the bond itself.
Originally by: Generalkey
very good to hear mate those who have posted they're interest will be mailed in game prior to the release of the bond itself.
Saying you are not accepting reservations and then saying that those who post their interest will be contacted before the bond launches seems a bit wrong to me.
Bonuses can be paid out through a bond in Eve, and for your benefit they could be done on turning over the shares/bonds on completion if you want to go through the hassle of investors handing them all back, or as a final dividend.
Still think it would be best to use the in-game dividend system as that provides an audit trail (of sorts) to confirm total paid out, amount per share and number of shares in existence. Also, this will ensure that no investor can say they never received a dividend if they hold the shares. 
To ensure correct payment, just round up or down to the nearest whole number remembering that this will be divided by the number of shares, or multiply the desired dividend by the number of shares (remembering the 32bit integer limit per payment  ).
Note, I am registering my interest, but not a reservation as this is a no reservation thread. |
Saehta
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Posted - 2009.06.05 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Generalkey
very good to hear mate those who have posted they're interest will be mailed in game prior to the release of the bond itself.
Bah, since all im getting is a contradiction I'll readminster my interest and ask to be included in this list
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Generalkey
Primary Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.05 21:20:00 -
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So do you buy minerals from your members at a fair market price? Or do you mine internally to 'reduce costs'? This is very important information for potential investors to know because it sheds light on your financial practices.
yes we do it is however it is cheaper then market buy orders, our members know this prior to them selling us minerals and materials.
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Forgive me if I am misunderstanding, but it seems to me that there is something big missing here. What exactly will you do with the money? Is it to increase liquidity so you can push more through assembly lines at any given time? Allow for sell orders to run longer before going to buy orders? Put out your own buy orders for materials? If you aren't buying BPOs, you have only per-run costs and per-run sales; how large is your operation if you are asking for 10bn in capital to inject into such a non-capital-intensive business? We need some specifics on what the money will be used for and why.
Ship construction is only one part of the bond however will be a major part at the beginning of the bond. We have several in game contracts who require a lot of ships often, we want to be able to supply all T1 sub capital ships. After studying a market on a couple time daily event we will see what is currently require in our markets and change our production to suit any holes in the market.
We already know what is in high demand with the local and private market, we want to increase the total amount of ships built and in full range from frigate to battleship in high amounts.
I can only guess at this stage but as the market lays we will invest rougly 4-5b in minerals at the beginning of the bond, this will change as we adapt further with the market.
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Hit by a Bus. Both Vile and myself have each others passwords in the case one of us runs into trouble in real life, however this is unlikely to happen but is there just in case.
That's against the EULA, I would not say that on the forums. I'd hate to see the bond failing for you being banned, so be careful with that.
We are friends in real life, we do not play each others characters but have given it for this bond in case of such events.
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Still think it would be best to use the in-game dividend system as that provides an audit trail (of sorts) to confirm total paid out,
I see, transfering corporation cash will show up as a player donation instead of a div payment. Excellent point the total share amount may change on actual launch to be able to pay through this div system.
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Bah, since all im getting is a contradiction I'll readminster my interest and ask to be included in this list
This will not ensure you will be able to invest i will give a time roughly when the launch will occur it will be up to you whether you are online or not to buy in on the venture.
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