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RJ Nobel
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Posted - 2009.06.07 16:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Caleb Ayrania
I was confirming Primary Industries as an scs client...
As it stands I am helping generalkey with the launch, and I expect Brock to do the main audit, and VV will handle a supportive role, much like I did in the TMP IPO...
The details on on the final running time, amount and a final description of information and more concrete business description is forthcoming. Please dont treat this as being passed the discussion phase simply because of the reservation misstep.
Hrm... this is what appears to be happening IMHO - SCS is now "representing" Generalkey, doing his PR work for him and adding a layer of communication interference (similar to what happened in the TMP IPO). The audits are being done by people who earned their auditor status through Caleb/SCS. While I'm not accusing anyone of deceit or scamming, I am quite uncomfortable with this sort of brokering/auditing dual-role relationship.
This is my opinion, and I'm not attacking Caleb or anyone else at SCS, but the last thing MD needs is a PR firm with close connections to the auditors.
@ Generalkey - there are some valid concerns, but they're all things that you can address in your offering. Good luck.
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Viktor Raybach
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Posted - 2009.06.07 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: RJ Nobel
Hrm... this is what appears to be happening IMHO - SCS is now "representing" Generalkey, doing his PR work for him and adding a layer of communication interference (similar to what happened in the TMP IPO). The audits are being done by people who earned their auditor status through Caleb/SCS. While I'm not accusing anyone of deceit or scamming, I am quite uncomfortable with this sort of brokering/auditing dual-role relationship.
This is my opinion, and I'm not attacking Caleb or anyone else at SCS, but the last thing MD needs is a PR firm with close connections to the auditors.
@ Generalkey - there are some valid concerns, but they're all things that you can address in your offering. Good luck.
SCS seems to have self-claimed and self-perpetuated its 'reliability'. Moreover it's done so via audits and business involvements with those who are already involved with the SCS.
Whether it's the PR Firm-Auditor link, my perception of altitis at work or the self-aggrandizing position taken in many past posts and threads on it I have to say that were this to be an SCS-Audited/promoted launch then I'd have no interest in investing. As it is I have an unused few billion I don't need for the next three months so were this to be legit, properly audited and questions/issues answered I'd have been keen to invest. There's just something about the conduct/posting style of SCS-affiliates that rubs me the wrong way. |
Sytoru Hiroshyma
SkillzKillz
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Posted - 2009.06.07 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Generalkey
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- A 10 billion first time offering. Somewhat higher than the suggested figure of 3 to 5.
We are already capable of running this project at the 3-5b mark. We would like to take this venture further and see exactly what it can offer us at the higher capital.
Have you considered running the IPO in parallel with an individual corporate effort? If you are already capable of running this project at the 3-5b mark, why not go with a 5b IPO and combine the resources?
Okay, this is my first post in MD but i've been reading regularly for some time and am quite interested in both investing and running bonds. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.06.08 00:58:00 -
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Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 08/06/2009 01:01:08
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SCS seems to have self-claimed and self-perpetuated its 'reliability'. Moreover it's done so via audits and business involvements with those who are already involved with the SCS.
Whether it's the PR Firm-Auditor link, my perception of altitis at work or the self-aggrandizing position taken in many past posts and threads on it I have to say that were this to be an SCS-Audited/promoted launch then I'd have no interest in investing. As it is I have an unused few billion I don't need for the next three months so were this to be legit, properly audited and questions/issues answered I'd have been keen to invest. There's just something about the conduct/posting style of SCS-affiliates that rubs me the wrong way.
SCS is trying to fill in the gap left by those auditors and generally "operators" who quit or are not available.
They are trying also to gain acceptance and get some chances to prove themselves.
You don't seem neither to appreciate the effort stated in the first paragraph nor the second.
But till this, it's your opinion and some sane diffidence after all the long and recent past scams is healthy.
Where I kind of take offense is for you to clump all those vaguely related with an "agency" who also happens to provide for the market chat so many use (SCC lounge), training videos, a blog and a searchable other website.
How many "altitis" would do all of this to scam 10B? A 2003 character in need to do all of this and for just 10B?
Also, I am in no way related by Caleb nor to the OP so prove your accusations before you put all in an "alts" cauldron.
I am indeed attempting doing what the majority here is not bothering to do and yet complain all day long for the lack of: become a damn auditor. And Caleb is the ONE willing to give an hand. So, even if I did not like him (fortunately I do instead) I would have to relate with him anyway.
About the PR: today I have seen a "famous guy" taking a job in the face of another less known despite he offered his services first.
This is why they do PR, because this is still business after all, and in business there's no mercy and they have to shoulder themselves to even hope to succeed. None will come and put a neat "certificate of validity", so they are going to promote themselves.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.06.08 03:50:00 -
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I just have had some time open up in my docket for next week. If the OP wishes I can look over things as they stand and give a general once over.
I cannot however in good faith take on this project without at least the limited keys of ALL players involved, this includes every corp member.
Because I lack the time involved to thoroughly check every nook and cranny, what I would suggest is that the OP list every corp members alt, verified by me and then let the public decide on their investment based on what I find in the financial.
..Basically I have time to check your books but not much else.
If this sounds acceptable, either evemail me or ask any number of people for my personal email addy. |
Generalkey
Primary Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.08 04:09:00 -
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Quote:
I just have had some time open up in my docket for next week. If the OP wishes I can look over things as they stand and give a general once over.
I cannot however in good faith take on this project without at least the limited keys of ALL players involved, this includes every corp member.
Because I lack the time involved to thoroughly check every nook and cranny, what I would suggest is that the OP list every corp members alt, verified by me and then let the public decide on their investment based on what I find in the financial.
..Basically I have time to check your books but not much else.
If this sounds acceptable, either evemail me or ask any number of people for my personal email addy.
Excellent very good to hear, thank you kazzac. I will contact you in game when i finsih work.
If the community is happy with it i would like to have 2 audits done. One by brock nelson and co and if kazzac and i can agree to a 2nd one. |
Viktor Raybach
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Posted - 2009.06.08 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
You don't seem neither to appreciate the effort stated in the first paragraph nor the second.
But till this, it's your opinion and some sane diffidence after all the long and recent past scams is healthy.
Assuming I've managed to parse your grammar correctoy, you're right, it is my opinion.
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Where I kind of take offense is for you to clump all those vaguely related with an "agency"
It's your right to do so. However I'd point out that it's being presented as a unified whole 'the SCS lounge will do X' 'The SCS lounge will do Y'. As such I think it's entirely understandable to use the same nomenclature that the posters are doing themselves.
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
who also happens to provide for the market chat so many use (SCC lounge), training videos, a blog and a searchable other website.
At no point do I mention this to either decry or praise so I don't see how this is relevant to the substance of my post.
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
How many "altitis" would do all of this to scam 10B? A 2003 character in need to do all of this and for just 10B?
You're the one who uses the word scam, not me. Given your inability to understand the substance of my post I'm not surprised that this is what you think i'm refering to.
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Also, I am in no way related by Caleb nor to the OP so prove your accusations before you put all in an "alts" cauldron.
I haven't made an accusation so I don't need to prove it.
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
I am indeed attempting doing what the majority here is not bothering to do and yet complain all day long for the lack of: become a damn auditor. And Caleb is the ONE willing to give an hand. So, even if I did not like him (fortunately I do instead) I would have to relate with him anyway.
Post 'offering audits', offer an existing auditor money to be trained by them/accredited. Put a billion or two into an ebank account as an insurance package against IPOs you audit and recommend on the basis of your audit. There are a lot of ways to go about it.
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
About the PR: today I have seen a "famous guy" taking a job in the face of another less known despite he offered his services first.
I see someone who can be trusted to do a good job getting that job ahead of another individual whose last efforets were associated with an overcomplicated launch.
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
This is why they do PR, because this is still business after all, and in business there's no mercy and they have to shoulder themselves to even hope to succeed. None will come and put a neat "certificate of validity", so they are going to promote themselves.
I'm glad you admit there's no mercy in business. As such you should have no reservations at all about anyone being critical of 'them'.
Apologies to the OP for this diversion and I look forward to the results of the audit.
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Generalkey
Primary Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.08 08:25:00 -
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Apologies to the OP for this diversion and I look forward to the results of the audit.
This does appear to be getting a little bit messy, can we please now stay on topic towards comments on improving the bond or questions regarding myself, I am eagerly awaiting the results of the audits. I have not had the chance to get in contact with kazzac yet due to him being offline, but i would like to obtain 2 seperate audits, this way investors can choose which one to look into.
With kazzac's time being limited i know it will not be up to his usual thorough audits, however i am happy for him to look at general information to confirm what i have already posted. If he is able to produce more i will be more then happy. However i will update this thread once i have had the chance to have a talk with him. |
Generalkey
Primary Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.08 23:10:00 -
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All requested api details have been given to one of the auditors, still awaiting contact from kazzac in regards to a second audit.
The Auditor has been advised to be as thorough as possible, the only thing i have told them not to report on is the items and locations we do our operations. |
Generalkey
Primary Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.09 14:23:00 -
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After getting in contact with kazzac he has agreed to do a minor audit on primary industries due to his busy schedule. I am grateful he has been able to squeeze us in. As far as i am aware he will confirm our book work and reconfirm so information that brock will post in his more thorough audit.
I would like to set up the teamspeak meeting for all interested investors at the end of the week friday the 12th of June or 13th of June. Once i confirm some times with caleb full details will be posted in this thread.
In the mean time i ask investors to either post concerns in this thread or note them down for the meeting at the end of the week.
Cheers,
Generalkey
CEO of Primary Industries |
Generalkey
Primary Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.12 01:50:00 -
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Vent meeting has been arranged.
Please see this thread for information.
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Generalkey
Primary Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.15 10:06:00 -
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After discussing recently with vile'er and our corporation members, we have decided to remove ourselves from the public light with our corporation activities. As of now we will be cancelling our public bond offering and staying with a private investment structure which was plan B.
I personally would like to thank all that have commented, supported and expressed interest in our offering. We have decided we do not want to be part of the MD community and enjoy the way we currently operate.
No isk has been received from any investor thankfully and if a future offering comes available we will post here as we did prior to this thread. |
YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.06.15 10:23:00 -
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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 15/06/2009 10:25:24
Originally by: Generalkey
After discussing recently with vile'er and our corporation members, we have decided to remove ourselves from the public light with our corporation activities. As of now we will be cancelling our public bond offering and staying with a private investment structure which was plan B.
I personally would like to thank all that have commented, supported and expressed interest in our offering. We have decided we do not want to be part of the MD community and enjoy the way we currently operate.
No isk has been received from any investor thankfully and if a future offering comes available we will post here as we did prior to this thread.
Originally by: 720
Write up something reasonable and ask for an audit. [...] If someone does step up to do an audit, simply state private funding came through.
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Generalkey
Primary Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.15 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: YouGotRipped
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 15/06/2009 10:55:35
Originally by: Generalkey
After discussing recently with vile'er and our corporation members, we have decided to remove ourselves from the public light with our corporation activities. As of now we will be cancelling our public bond offering and staying with a private investment structure which was plan B.
I personally would like to thank all that have commented, supported and expressed interest in our offering. We have decided we do not want to be part of the MD community and enjoy the way we currently operate.
No isk has been received from any investor thankfully and if a future offering comes available we will post here as we did prior to this thread.
Originally by: 720
Write up something reasonable and ask for an audit. [...] If someone does step up to do an audit, simply state private funding came through.
Audit's are still in progress and will continue to confirm my statements. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.
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