[quote=Andre Vauban]
This^^

It's a challenge, but that's why it's fun. We've only been in Caldari FW for a little over a week. Just know a lot of the time you engage, you'll be outnumbered and fighting links. I'm not complaining. They are always willing to fight. I'm looking forward to more GFs down the road.

Personally, I'm not in it for the isk. All my guys have other sources of income. We wanted to come to fight with the underdogs.

Not so sure there will be an over-incentivization for plexing. Running numbers and... there will likely be many better ways to make isk in Eve than by orbiting buttons 23/7 (for example you will likely make more isk in the same amount of time by running L4 missions in high sec). If you are already active in FW running plexes, then it will be good income that will keep you in ships and fighting. But it won't really be good income for farmers.

Yes they can. You get better by fighting people that are better than you. For many of us in Gallente militia, we know this and actively seek fights against superior opponents. We've taken fights with some pirate/0.0 corps who handed our ass to us. It really humbles you and makes you improve your game.

Fighting inferior opponents and winning does not make you better. It makes you arrogant and careless. We fought Caldari militia in Okkamon for like 3 hours last night. We were outnumbered and out shipped. We won ever single fight. We knew we shouldn't be taking these fights as on paper we should have been creamed. Did we learn anything? Did we improve anything about ourselves? The answer is no. Did the Caldari? That answer is YES.

Thanks for sh**ing on your own militia. Saves me the trouble of typing up some sort of propoganda wall of text to demoralize your troops.

Attitude reflects leadership.

Here you're very wrong. IMO, Caracals are the best medium plex gang fighting ships short of pirate/faction. One day I'd love to get a gang of nanocals into a medium plex against a bunch of thorax's and ruptures and especially vexors.

Take a look at okkamon last night in a gang fight: In the short time my little "useless" t1 caracal did

http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13439264 -- top damage to a cane
http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13439268 -- top damage by a wide margin to a thorax
http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13439239 -- barely second top damage dealer to an oracle
http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13439270 -- still doing respectable damage though a 4th against a navy omen

And there's only one kill against a hawk where I didn't even have a chance to hit it before it died in my caracal that I omitted.

Apart from the above, I'm not even omitting any mails where I did ****** (in a caracal, before that I was in a pretty useless ship).

Also, look back at probably the most effective plex fighting force in the history of the caldari militia, the PERVS. They absolutely RAPED with a doctrine of caracals in plexes.

I for one am jealous that you get so many recruits naturally with caldari ship skills. They are far, far more useful for gangs than the blaster pilots gallente naturally get.

X G is a hardcore RP'er and he does everything possible to find good gallente ships, fits and tactics (even though I think he's generally starting from a significant disadvantage). He's an expert when it comes to gallente ships.

I fear the day the Caldari put 2 and 2 together and start flying ONI's like Caracals in medium plexes.

So, to sum this up - if I would ever want to join the Caldari Militia then it is crucial to have a well-skilled pilot, right? I can understand the point of getting your experience from "beginner" fights, but still I don't want to join up and fly something which is not properly fitted to do the job.

[quote=Mutnin]
Hmmm, I have to make an observation - how is this Caldari against anyone else when everyone is just using everyone else's ships? This has been my consternation from day one - I started off Caldari, trained Caldari, learnt Caldari battle tactics (they are quite specific and not really like common PvP) and basicly built Nalianna to be the best tactical Caldari skilled pilot she could be for her SP. Perhaps it's somewhat misplaced, but I've believed for quite some time that maximising these skills and tactics is bound to lead to best exploitation of the ships, modules and weapons available to the "normal" or "traditional" Caldari pilot. Going into Thrashers and Ruptures would mean diverting my training from the highly focussed Caldari training I have followed, basically going back to square one for a lot of things, in order to fly foreign ships with foreign weapons and foreign ewar and tactics.

Somehow it just doesn't seem reasonable. Supposing everyone just flew everyone else's ships, as they mostly do now, anyway. How is that Caldari v Gallente or Minnie v Amarr? The only identification with race is the name of the Militia. I'm reminded of some sort of mercenary arrangement where everyone just fights for whoever without any form of allegiance. Obviously it's only from the perspective of a deeply committed racial/factional pilot that someone would see it this way. What I don't understand is why almost noone else sees things this way - has the dedication to training a single race been so lost in the mists of time that it is now considered quirky or misguided?

I wasn't aware the Gallente cared about "The War" when it comes to running plexes.

Finally, caldari coming out of the closet. Don't feel ashamed son, embrace who you are.

We took a bunch of systems because there was literally nothing else to do. The Caldari wouldn't fight unless we pushed them to the limit. So, we pushed them to the limit.

Why would we defend? We get no LP for it. It's literally a waste of time. And you're putting too much stock into the Gallente blob. Truthfully, most of us would rather have an even fight and we've been getting a lot more of them lately. The blob is fun on some nights (the reactions are hilarious!) but even fights are much funner... I like the thrill of not knowing the outcome.

Srsly, when did I ever say it's cool to plex ? You are starting to lose it man, I'm telling you.

If you'd stop complaining about getting blobbed so much, you might find them just like the other Caldari are. You get blobbed because we know you complain about it and it's damn hilarious.

I've never enjoyed plexing. If I'm plexing I'm either extremely bored or looking for a fight.

Why you so mad Mutnin? Scourges of frigates are fanning out all across Black Rise and are about to take back several systems within the next few days. If you really want to defeat SoTF and their uber l33t fleets, then take back Nisuwa. I think Lock Out is daring you to.

So caldari have numerical superiority of active toons in EU and AUS timezone but its still gallente that are the blobbers lol.

Ive engaged your guys mutinn, and you have run from even fights, run from fights you should win, and engaged in fights where you were going to obviously lose because you try to ninja a kill on a gate 7:1 but get snagged by his friends.

Most of your losses, pvp oppertunities AND ships are down to bad decisions.

What you say may be true, but with Gallente home systems in Vlillirier, Nennmaila, Rakapas, Nisuwa, Heydieles, and Agoze (when needed), 5-6 jumps pretty much covers all of Caldari-Gallente FW space with the exception of some far off remote systems in Lonetrek.

There's a reason we're in Nennmaila - it's at the center of the FW map.

Or how about today? Some Caldari engaged a member of our plexing fleet in a 4 on 1, so the rest of the fleet comes back to get them and Mutnin tries to make a big scene about it, lol. As if our outnumbering of them was any worse than their outnumbering of our solo guy.