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Jack Airron
Gallente Setenta Corp Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.06.08 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Skizar Okay i was annoyed when i had to pay 650 million for my GTCs as i used to pay 500-550 now thre up to 750? This is silly lets not push it so high that people wont buy and the market crashes!
Skizar
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Asith
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Posted - 2009.06.08 16:31:00 -
[32]
There is a clear issue in the GTC /PLEX system at the moment which is causing the vast increase in GTC and PLEX prices. At the moment you can buy a 60GTC, cheaper than two PLEX, but you can still convert your 60GTC into 2 PLEX, therefore a way of making profit is created. People have caught on to this idea and buying as many GTC as they can get their hands on to make profit, causing the demand to increase by a huge amount even though subscribers havenÆt increased by the same %. Simply put the system CCP brought in to try and make GTC more affordable has made them more expensive.
Well done CCP. As IÆm a university student I canÆt afford to use real money to pay for the game and the high prices of GTC, means after my sub runs out next month i will no longer be able to resub until my studies are over. Cheers CCP.
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iudex
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.06.08 16:38:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Pohbis
Originally by: iudex b) If Eve turns out to be a fail-game for him, he either won't spend any additional rl money for it at all, or only at very high rates. Result: If Eve loses it's appeal, is about to die and doesn't offer thrill and enjoyment, less people will be willing to spend their limited rl money for being successful in it (in terms of having more isk), the GTC supply will go down, GTC price will rise.
I'd argue that if EVE "loses it's appeal, is about to die and doesn't offer thrill and enjoyment...", supply will go down, but demand will follow
... but I'm lazy. So I'll just state it.
This is true in general, but the decrease in GTC demand will not follow to the same extent: There are plenty of people who are paying their time with rl cash, and when in scenario b) the game starts to become bad/unpleasing, they will stop paying their rl money for it at one point - but instead use their assets to keep the character trained.
Because it's better to spend the isk for additional game-time and skill-training than quit completely. Those people will be new demanders, and they will buy the GTCs regardless of the price. I'd prefer to pay 1 billion each month until my assets are gone instead of not playing/skill-training at all and having isk in my closed account. As result the demand for playing the game without paying rl money will most likely rise in scenario b). We then have decreasing supply and increasing demand - you know what happens to the price in this situation. |
Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.06.08 16:38:00 -
[34]
gratz, u just have been plexowned
market provides lots of rage.
In case 1billion is an amazing amount for you, it means you are a young player. So, just move your ass and get a RL job. It's not that hard. Even a split time job for a month will bring enough isk to pay the game for 2+ years!!! |
Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.06.08 16:42:00 -
[35]
I am waiting on GTC to hit 1 Bill before I start selling again. My RL cash is worth more than the 650 mill you are offering right now. |
Asith
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Posted - 2009.06.08 16:46:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Sun Clausewitz I am waiting on GTC to hit 1 Bill before I start selling again. My RL cash is worth more than the 650 mill you are offering right now.
Depend on your view WHen 90GTC were 350 mill T2 items / ship where expensive
Now 60GTC are 700+mill T2 items / ships cheapest they have ever been
I think youre getting a good deal |
Asith
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Posted - 2009.06.08 16:53:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Asith on 08/06/2009 16:53:31
Originally by: Asith There is a clear issue in the GTC /PLEX system at the moment which is causing the vast increase in GTC and PLEX prices. At the moment you can buy a 60GTC, cheaper than two PLEX, but you can still convert your 60GTC into 2 PLEX, therefore a way of making profit is created. People have caught on to this idea and buying as many GTC as they can get their hands on to make profit, causing the demand to increase by a huge amount even though subscribers havenÆt increased by the same %. Simply put the system CCP brought in to try and make GTC more affordable has made them more expensive.
Well done CCP. As IÆm a university student I canÆt afford to use real money to pay for the game and the high prices of GTC, means after my sub runs out next month i will no longer be able to resub until my studies are over. Cheers CCP.
And dont forget CCP now allowing fans to pay for the tickets using PLEXs just to rise GTC prices and sales |
Kewso
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Posted - 2009.06.08 17:06:00 -
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friend of mine tries to inflate the prices by selling gtc's to his alt on the forum for higher price by saying like wts 3 gtc's 650m or whatnot well he'll sell 2 to his alt and lure some idiot into buying the 3rd for 650.
there's a lot of manipulation but it's the people that fall for it that keep it going.
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wowtard
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Posted - 2009.06.08 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: wowtard on 08/06/2009 17:26:02
Originally by: Arestan Nice to see people who understand the world so well, especially the "get a job, you loser!" crowd.
Yeah, it's not like this is just a game or anything. The "woe to me, I'm just a student with no job, and 700M ISK to play for free is outrageous" crowd is about as ridiculous as a starving Ethiopian complaining about the maintenance costs on BMWs.
You do all realize that while you're grinding away for ISK, you're still PLAYING a computer game, right? GTFO if PLAYING is so onerous.
edit: understand the world? the world? seriously? the plight of people with personal computers and more leisure time than money is "the world."??? |
Tellenta
Gallente Invicta. Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.06.08 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: Skizar Okay i was annoyed when i had to pay 650 million for my GTCs as i used to pay 500-550 now thre up to 750? This is silly lets not push it so high that people wont buy and the market crashes!
Skizar
Then why not buy them by cash? they are dirtcheap anyway! 30-35 dollar or so for 60 days! And save your IG cash for ingame activities!
$35*6= $210 3 month subscription $38 38*4= $152 1 year paid in full subscription $131 or $10.92 a month.
Figured I'd share that with people just in case they wouldn't mind an extra couple bucks in their pocket a year... seriously people when you decide to take the most expensive route to pay for a game voluntarily anything that gets done to you is no fault but your own.
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Tellenta
Gallente Invicta. Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.06.08 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Asith
Originally by: Sun Clausewitz I am waiting on GTC to hit 1 Bill before I start selling again. My RL cash is worth more than the 650 mill you are offering right now.
Depend on your view WHen 90GTC were 350 mill T2 items / ship where expensive
Now 60GTC are 700+mill T2 items / ships cheapest they have ever been
I think youre getting a good deal
Or $35 = a bottle of jack daniels with change back. While I know you don't care about other people as you're complaining about having to spend pretend money on game time, and acting ignorant to the fact that you're "free" game time relies on someone elses disposable income. I know people like to throw around supply and demand, but I believe it is simply perceived cost, as $35 can buy a lot of worthwhile things that is not computer game money. All I can say is bend over and enjoy the ride, until you decide to pay for the game in a more intelligent manner, or find a way to get more income in game.
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CommmanderInChief
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2009.06.08 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kappas. If nobody was paying 750m for them the price would come down anyway - trouble is someone always does.
trouble is no one has a choice, everyone is always going to need them..i refuse to pay 750 mill its a joke..they used to be so much cheaper not long ago, this 60day thing as ****ed everything. go back to 30 and 90 days...prices have pretty much doubled..
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.08 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: wowtard
Originally by: Clair Bear If you read the latest quarterly report you'll see the average ISK in people's wallets is double what it was at the time of the last quarterly report.
There it is right there. Easier ISK is cheaper ISK.
This, basically. Baseline ISK income is higher, therefore GTCs cost more, because low/moderate SP alts can still earn enough to pay for mains on the same account, even at 400M/PLEX.
So simple.
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Arestan
Rising Sun Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.08 19:23:00 -
[44]
Originally by: wowtard
Yeah, it's not like this is just a game or anything. The "woe to me, I'm just a student with no job, and 700M ISK to play for free is outrageous" crowd is about as ridiculous as a starving Ethiopian complaining about the maintenance costs on BMWs.
You do know that the US has a 20% jobless rate and most of the other countries in the first world are not far behind with the things going as they are? Are you saying that people without a job or in a situation where they cannot spare the 12 Euros a month - are forbidden to have any kind of entertainment? Profiteering off people in a bad situations like these is illegal in IRL almost everywhere, virtual money should make no difference. Supply and demand has nothing to with it.
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.06.08 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: CommmanderInChief
..i refuse to pay 750 mill its a joke..
I refuse to sell them for less than 900 mill, it is a joke that you think your virtual money is worth that much more than my real life money.
Pick Three: Caldari/PVP/Solo/Success |
Qwyp
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Posted - 2009.06.08 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kewso friend of mine tries to inflate the prices by selling gtc's to his alt on the forum for higher price by saying like wts 3 gtc's 650m or whatnot well he'll sell 2 to his alt and lure some idiot into buying the 3rd for 650.
there's a lot of manipulation but it's the people that fall for it that keep it going.
QFT
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Jalmari Huitsikko
Caldari Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.06.08 20:11:00 -
[47]
stealth mission running/macro nerf? :P
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Bodrul
Caldari Skynet A.I. Systems
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Posted - 2009.06.08 20:16:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Asith
Well done CCP. As IÆm a university student I canÆt afford to use real money to pay for the game and the high prices of GTC, means after my sub runs out next month i will no longer be able to resub until my studies are over. Cheers CCP.
so am i which university you go to?
seriously though 60 Days only cost ú15-ú17 from pcworld or amazon .......... Just Have Fun while mining or if your bored 300+ Free Games |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.06.08 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Arestan Nice to see people who understand the world so well, especially the "get a job, you loser!" crowd.
Because its true?
$14.95
Thats it for one month of eve. A couple more hours a month (not a week) on your job schedule or a few less pricy luxuries in place of the moar pricy luxuries. So if you can't afford that then something is seriously out of order for you in real life and the price of a gtc should be the least of your worries.
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CommmanderInChief
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2009.06.08 20:31:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Sun Clausewitz
Originally by: CommmanderInChief
..i refuse to pay 750 mill its a joke..
I refuse to sell them for less than 900 mill, it is a joke that you think your virtual money is worth that much more than my real life money.
errmm the price of a GTC in real money hasnt changed at all!!...so explain the price hike? |
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21 Salvager
Minmatar We are Alive
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Posted - 2009.06.08 20:46:00 -
[51]
Originally by: CommmanderInChief
errmm the price of a GTC in real money hasnt changed at all!!...so explain the price hike?
See post number 43 above. ----- I'm a collector! Want to trade? See my Collection List and contact me. |
21 Salvager
Minmatar We are Alive
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Posted - 2009.06.08 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Asith There is a clear issue in the GTC /PLEX system at the moment which is causing the vast increase in GTC and PLEX prices. At the moment you can buy a 60GTC, cheaper than two PLEX, but you can still convert your 60GTC into 2 PLEX, therefore a way of making profit is created. People have caught on to this idea and buying as many GTC as they can get their hands on to make profit, causing the demand to increase by a huge amount even though subscribers havenÆt increased by the same %. Simply put the system CCP brought in to try and make GTC more affordable has made them more expensive.
Well done CCP. As IÆm a university student I canÆt afford to use real money to pay for the game and the high prices of GTC, means after my sub runs out next month i will no longer be able to resub until my studies are over. Cheers CCP.
Sorry, I'm trying to understand your logic here. As I understand, you are saying: 1. USD cost of 60-day GTC is more than USD cost of 2x 30-day PLEX 2. 60-day GTC can be made into 2x 30-day PLEX "therefore a way of making profit is created." Doesn't follow. Yes, you get more ISK/USD if you buy 60-day GTCs than if you buy PLEXs, but that would just increase the supply and tend to lower the ISK cost of PLEXs.
Or, do you mean: 1. ISK cost of 60-day GTC is more than ISK cost of 2x 30-day PLEX 2. 60-day GTC can be made into 2x 30-day PLEX "therefore a way of making profit is created.": presumably by buying GTCs on the forum and then selling them as PLEXs in-game. Which doesn't work, since buying a GTC on the forum automatically applies the time to your account and item "2" above is false.
So, no, this isn't why PLEXs are high in price. ----- I'm a collector! Want to trade? See my Collection List and contact me. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.08 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Arestan
Originally by: wowtard
Yeah, it's not like this is just a game or anything. The "woe to me, I'm just a student with no job, and 700M ISK to play for free is outrageous" crowd is about as ridiculous as a starving Ethiopian complaining about the maintenance costs on BMWs.
You do know that the US has a 20% jobless rate and most of the other countries in the first world are not far behind with the things going as they are? Are you saying that people without a job or in a situation where they cannot spare the 12 Euros a month - are forbidden to have any kind of entertainment? Profiteering off people in a bad situations like these is illegal in IRL almost everywhere, virtual money should make no difference. Supply and demand has nothing to with it.
So you're saying it's wrong to charge people more ISK just when they have more free time to make ISK?
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Discrodia
Gallente Blood Red Dawn
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Posted - 2009.06.08 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: Discrodia on 08/06/2009 21:37:57
Originally by: Arestan
Originally by: wowtard
Yeah, it's not like this is just a game or anything. The "woe to me, I'm just a student with no job, and 700M ISK to play for free is outrageous" crowd is about as ridiculous as a starving Ethiopian complaining about the maintenance costs on BMWs.
You do know that the US has a 20% jobless rate and most of the other countries in the first world are not far behind with the things going as they are? Are you saying that people without a job or in a situation where they cannot spare the 12 Euros a month - are forbidden to have any kind of entertainment? Profiteering off people in a bad situations like these is illegal in IRL almost everywhere, virtual money should make no difference. Supply and demand has nothing to with it.
I'm a bit confused by your 20% there.... where did these numbers come from? I sincerely doubt 1/5 of the US population is unemployed.
Other than that, if you can't afford it, next time you get your paycheck save to buy a 1 year subscription and you won't have to worry about it for a while. |
21 Salvager
Minmatar We are Alive
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Posted - 2009.06.08 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Discrodia I'm a bit confused by your 20% there.... where did these numbers come from? I sincerely doubt 1/5 of the US population is unemployed.
FYI, I show the US unemployment rate at 9.1%: Linkage |
Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.09 00:06:00 -
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if you cant afford it dont pay it , when it get to a point where no one will pay then the price will dip slightly and then stay there until they start to hike up again.
good luck at stopping people from putting it up though
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Jobby
Minmatar UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.06.09 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: CommmanderInChief errmm the price of a GTC in real money hasnt changed at all!!...so explain the price hike?
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.09 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jobby
Originally by: CommmanderInChief errmm the price of a GTC in real money hasnt changed at all!!...so explain the price hike?
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Naim Mee
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Posted - 2009.06.09 01:00:00 -
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If I'm going to pay for your account each month with my RL cash, then i want as much fake moon money (Isk) as possible from you each month in return.
If you don't like it, then dig up some RL cash and pay for your own account.
It's just that simple tbh. |
Joss Sparq
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.09 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Unfortunately there are alot of mindless drones who are happy wasting 2-3 hours a day ever day for a month -just- to cover the GTC cost.
I don't want to come across as rude, but why so serious?
I expect that if people are consistently paying for their subscription via PLEX they don't view that 2-3 hours per day as a waste - but as an investment whose return is the other 2-3 hours (or more) they play per day (or on the weekend, or whatever) that isn't focused on generating ISK for their subscription. If they're happy to do that instead of paying the subscription cost out of their pocket then that is their prerogative.
Even if they're only playing to raise sufficient ISK to keep their account active, I still don't view that as a waste: while their account is active and characters are in use they're still contributing in some way to the game - consuming ammunition, losing ships, placing/filling Market orders, claiming LP store items to exchange for ISK etc - plus their ISK is being moved to the account of somebody who is presumably also quite active in their own participation.
I can understand how on the surface the practice may appear as a waste of some kind (time, perhaps?) to some individuals, but I think such an opinion is an unfair dismissal when made outright and without any apparent consideration.
Of course I may be a little biased, as once-upon-a-time I used to do the exact same thing (play, to pay, to play) though I saw the writing on the wall (well, the CCP blog at least) and sold my Mission/PvE Alt for a tidy sum, and proceeded to dump the greater part of my liquidity into codes before the spike hit.
I should probably login one day and check what year my account subscription ends. I'll probably want to have a job by then.
(Yes, I probably am as smug as I may sound)
As things stand, I bought a PLEX fairly cheaply a few weeks ago for an Alt account - as it turns out I won't need it so I'll make a tidy profit when I relist it, so roll on with the price rise please!
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