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Skizar	Posted - 2009.06.08 10:42:00 - [1] Okay i was annoyed when i had to pay 650 million for my GTCs as i used to pay 500-550 now thre up to 750? This is silly lets not push it so high that people wont buy and the market crashes! Skizar
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.06.08 10:45:00 - [2] This is a new and exciting/intelligent idea that nobody has ever attempted to pursue just to find out that it is pointless. ___________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Kappas. Galaxy Punks	Posted - 2009.06.08 10:45:00 - [3] If nobody was paying 750m for them the price would come down anyway - trouble is someone always does. __________________
Rodger Wilcoe ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.08 10:46:00 - [4] Two words: Supply & Demand It is a free market. Buyers will pay what they are willing to get what they need, and sellers will sell at what they want.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2009.06.08 10:47:00 - [5] Originally by: Skizar Okay i was annoyed when i had to pay 650 million for my GTCs as i used to pay 500-550 now thre up to 750? This is silly lets not push it so high that people wont buy and the market crashes! Skizar Then why not buy them by cash? they are dirtcheap anyway! 30-35 dollar or so for 60 days! And save your IG cash for ingame activities! Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.06.08 10:49:00 - [6] Price spiked when CCP offered Fanfest tickets for PLEXes. It'll go down again once the demand is saturated. It'll take a while though. Better do more grinding. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Dragon Greg	Posted - 2009.06.08 10:53:00 - [7] Originally by: Rodger Wilcoe Two words: Supply & Demand It is a free market. Buyers will pay what they are willing to get what they need, and sellers will sell at what they want. Hehe. No. Supply & Demand is subject to easy manipulation :-) See Plexes, reselling is very lucrative, and CCP letting us pay for the fanfest with them is quite nifty from their point of view as well. You can still pick up 60D GTC's for about 600-650M btw, just mostly during EU office hours in the second half of the work week.
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.06.08 10:56:00 - [8] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Skizar Okay i was annoyed when i had to pay 650 million for my GTCs as i used to pay 500-550 now thre up to 750? This is silly lets not push it so high that people wont buy and the market crashes! Skizar Then why not buy them by cash? they are dirtcheap anyway! 30-35 dollar or so for 60 days! And save your IG cash for ingame activities! Stop being so logical, jeez! Self-proclaimed idiot
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2009.06.08 11:01:00 - [9] The long term trend price of GTCs is most surely up. The amount of money being created in the Eve universe makes the Bank of England look like amateurs. But in the same way as real life prices are going to rise cause of all the money being printed to get us out of the current situation, the prices of non player crafted stuff in Eve will relentlessly rise. So my advice is buy early, buy often. The player crafted stuff does not obey normal market rules cause a lot of it is produced for fun.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.06.08 11:05:00 - [10] I still think that the fact, that an old 90 day GTC was 400m~ compared to the current 350-400m PER MONTH deal we have now on PLEX/GTC is god-damned ridiculous. Unfortunately there are alot of mindless drones who are happy wasting 2-3 hours a day ever day for a month -just- to cover the GTC cost. ___________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008

Tippia Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.06.08 11:10:00 - [11] Originally by: Skizar This is silly lets not push it so high that people wont buy and the market crashes! I find this part not just implausible, but actually next to impossible… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Seibicoe	Posted - 2009.06.08 11:50:00 - [12] Damn poor people stop whining and go farm me my ISK.
Sky Marshal IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.06.08 12:01:00 - [13] Originally by: Rodger Wilcoe Two words: Supply & Demand It is a free market. Buyers will pay what they are willing to get what they need, and sellers will sell at what they want. No, it isn't. It is free only above 550/600M, not less. CCP decide of the minimum ISK price of the GTC, by raising or lowering the real price. The last time the real price of GTC was overboosted ( first time they "boost" something, to be honest ), ISK price followed the CCP logic. If CCP decide to make GTCs less expensive, ISK price would go lower too. It is not a free market. _______ Local is fine, period.
Nel Tu Minmatar Thurisaz Robotics Corporation	Posted - 2009.06.08 12:11:00 - [14] Originally by: Blane Xero I still think that the fact, that an old 90 day GTC was 400m~ compared to the current 350-400m PER MONTH deal we have now on PLEX/GTC is god-damned ridiculous. Unfortunately there are alot of mindless drones who are happy wasting 2-3 hours a day ever day for a month -just- to cover the GTC cost. I don't buy GTCs to be honest (I have this thing called a job, I heard they were rare but I camped the spawn and finally got one). But I can make 400m in two days just be doing 3-4 hours in a WH o.O. Made 759mil split between three people in 2 hours. Not that hard to do. ============== Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.06.08 12:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Sky Marshal If CCP decide to make GTCs less expensive, ISK price would go lower too. It is not a free market. 1. Its a Free Market when players decide the value of Isk to Real world Currency. 2. Given the fact that there is now precedent that they can get 600-700m for a 60 day GTC, the prices will now always be artificially gouged to such lengths. Simple logic; If people are buying it at that price they can afford it, and will continue to do so. Unless someone really broke the mold and suddenly flooded the place with 400-500m 60 day GTC's/200-250m plexes. But there is personal limitations that stop this; and when he/she could make another 150-200m easy PER GTC. The appeal is that "Personal isk > Other people's convenience" ___________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Roddy Piper	Posted - 2009.06.08 12:36:00 - [16] Edited by: Roddy Piper on 08/06/2009 12:45:55 The price of a 60 Day GTC will be going to 1 Billion and stay there..for awhile GTC are meant for older players with high in game income or any player with high in game steady income which are usually well established players. They are not meant for new players that have to grind for days or weeks just to get a measly 750 Mill -1 Billion Isk which is pocket change to most older players. Want to play for free you gotta put in the time :)
wowtard	Posted - 2009.06.08 12:39:00 - [17] GTCs exist for the convenience of people who pay for them with cash, not for the people who pay for them with ISK. If you can't afford them at 700M, then boohoo, because there are obviously plenty of other people who can. There are people swimming in tens of billions of ISK because they run complex industrial operations or know how to take advantage of the market. Your endless of hours of ratting/missioning just aren't worth that much anymore. Everyone and their mother can do it. Supply and demand. The bar has been raised and the spoils are going to the victors. Stop feeling so entitled and go do something that makes more ISK than simply providing another warm body to EVE.
Wai Ng'Tse	Posted - 2009.06.08 13:40:00 - [18] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Skizar Okay i was annoyed when i had to pay 650 million for my GTCs as i used to pay 500-550 now thre up to 750? This is silly lets not push it so high that people wont buy and the market crashes! Skizar Then why not buy them by cash? they are dirtcheap anyway! 30-35 dollar or so for 60 days! And save your IG cash for ingame activities! Some people don't want to / can't afford to, do this. Which is fine if that's how they play the game (I don't!), but I think that this might be because of people just having less disposable income to spend on the game. Therefore: Fewer people spend RL money on GTC / subscription. More people want to use ISK to pay for their subscription. This has caused demand to be greater than supply, hence the ability for sellers to ask 750m :)
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2009.06.08 14:14:00 - [19] Originally by: Sky Marshal Originally by: Rodger Wilcoe Two words: Supply & Demand It is a free market. Buyers will pay what they are willing to get what they need, and sellers will sell at what they want. No, it isn't. It is free only above 550/600M, not less. CCP decide of the minimum ISK price of the GTC, by raising or lowering the real price. The last time the real price of GTC was overboosted ( first time they "boost" something, to be honest ), ISK price followed the CCP logic. If CCP decide to make GTCs less expensive, ISK price would go lower too. It is not a free market. Please, show me this Ç to ISK conversion that CCP controls. It's true that the RL price-movement of a GTC will result in the in-game cost moving up and down as well. There is however, nothing that says that the current cost equals 550/600M ISK. That convertion is entirely based on supply and demand. Right now we have an economic crisis, a lot of people are holding on to every penny they got, others are now unemployed or working part-time. Thus, spending an extra amount of time grinding ISK to pay for ones gametime is now acceptable for a lot more people. More people wanting GTCs, higher cost. The RL price of a GTC is still the same as it was when they introduced 60day GTCs. In-game price much higher. Point proven, case closed. Supply and Demand.
Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic	Posted - 2009.06.08 14:19:00 - [20] If you don't like the price don't buy 'em. I've never bought one, or even gone so far as to look up how/where to buy them. ~ Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic

iudex Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.06.08 15:02:00 - [21] Next to what people already said about supply and demand the value of GTC also directly reflect the popularity, success and value of Eve. This can be explained when looking on how individuals make decisions to allocate limited resources, on what determines supply and demand. The limited resource for a GTC seller is real life money, the product he buys is additional enjoyment of Eve by having additional isk. This enjoyment is affected by the state of Eve and can change in 2 ways: a) If the game is great and successful in his eyes, it will have a higher meaning for him, he will be willing to spend more money for personal success in this game. He will sell more GTCs and/or at a price that is lower than if he doesn't give much about Eve. Result: If the value of Eve increases, people will be ready to spend more money for additional enjoyment of it (in terms of having more isk), GTC supply will rise, GTC price will go down. b) If Eve turns out to be a fail-game for him, he either won't spend any additional rl money for it at all, or only at very high rates. Result: If Eve loses it's appeal, is about to die and doesn't offer thrill and enjoyment, less people will be willing to spend their limited rl money for being successful in it (in terms of having more isk), the GTC supply will go down, GTC price will rise. This conclusion is based on an assumption that the amount of isk/assets remains around the same and nothing else changes (ceteris paribus). Since this is changing, it's harder to establish a link between GTC price and the success of Eve, but it's still an indicator. And the longterm-trend of increasing GTC prices isn't a good sign for the well-being of Eve.
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.06.08 15:14:00 - [22] If you read the latest quarterly report you'll see the average ISK in people's wallets is double what it was at the time of the last quarterly report. As people skill up they make ISK easier by faster ratting or whatnot. So as ISK has less value due to more and more supply game time buys ever more of it.
SpaceSquirrels Caldari	Posted - 2009.06.08 15:23:00 - [23] Isk = fake money people easily make in a game.... gtc real money. Yeah higher price seems acceptable. If you don't like it pay 15 bucks a month. _________________________ HATERS!!!!
Rordan D'Kherr Amarr	Posted - 2009.06.08 15:36:00 - [24] Supply and demand.
Jinx Barker Caldari GFB Scientific	Posted - 2009.06.08 15:40:00 - [25] Originally by: Skizar Okay i was annoyed when i had to pay 650 million for my GTCs as i used to pay 500-550 now thre up to 750? This is silly lets not push it so high that people wont buy and the market crashes! Skizar
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2009.06.08 15:42:00 - [26] Originally by: iudex b) If Eve turns out to be a fail-game for him, he either won't spend any additional rl money for it at all, or only at very high rates. Result: If Eve loses it's appeal, is about to die and doesn't offer thrill and enjoyment, less people will be willing to spend their limited rl money for being successful in it (in terms of having more isk), the GTC supply will go down, GTC price will rise. I'd argue that if EVE "loses it's appeal, is about to die and doesn't offer thrill and enjoyment...", supply will go down, but demand will follow ... but I'm lazy. So I'll just state it.
wowtard	Posted - 2009.06.08 15:56:00 - [27] Originally by: Clair Bear If you read the latest quarterly report you'll see the average ISK in people's wallets is double what it was at the time of the last quarterly report. There it is right there. Easier ISK is cheaper ISK.
Cassiopeia Draco	Posted - 2009.06.08 16:14:00 - [28] I agree with the OP the price on the GTC's has gone far too high, but I suspect they will peak about 850-900mil. Supply/demand plays a part, but another reason is the increase in 30 day PLEX prices that occured when CCP announced that you could buy fanfest tickets with them. So if PLEX's are going for 375-400mil in game, then GTCS' will naturally go for 700-750mil.
Kendon Riddick	Posted - 2009.06.08 16:21:00 - [29] pay 700+ mil by mining or mission splatting for a few hours every day for a month, or go collect some trollys at your local store for a few hours a month your choice. p.s. bu hu
Arestan Rising Sun Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.08 16:27:00 - [30] Nice to see people who understand the world so well, especially the "get a job, you loser!" crowd.

Jack Airron Gallente Setenta Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.06.08 16:30:00 - [31] Originally by: Skizar Okay i was annoyed when i had to pay 650 million for my GTCs as i used to pay 500-550 now thre up to 750? This is silly lets not push it so high that people wont buy and the market crashes! Skizar if you dont want to buy them then dont.
Asith	Posted - 2009.06.08 16:31:00 - [32] There is a clear issue in the GTC /PLEX system at the moment which is causing the vast increase in GTC and PLEX prices. At the moment you can buy a 60GTC, cheaper than two PLEX, but you can still convert your 60GTC into 2 PLEX, therefore a way of making profit is created. People have caught on to this idea and buying as many GTC as they can get their hands on to make profit, causing the demand to increase by a huge amount even though subscribers havenÆt increased by the same %. Simply put the system CCP brought in to try and make GTC more affordable has made them more expensive. Well done CCP. As IÆm a university student I canÆt afford to use real money to pay for the game and the high prices of GTC, means after my sub runs out next month i will no longer be able to resub until my studies are over. Cheers CCP.
iudex Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.06.08 16:38:00 - [33] Originally by: Pohbis Originally by: iudex b) If Eve turns out to be a fail-game for him, he either won't spend any additional rl money for it at all, or only at very high rates. Result: If Eve loses it's appeal, is about to die and doesn't offer thrill and enjoyment, less people will be willing to spend their limited rl money for being successful in it (in terms of having more isk), the GTC supply will go down, GTC price will rise. I'd argue that if EVE "loses it's appeal, is about to die and doesn't offer thrill and enjoyment...", supply will go down, but demand will follow ... but I'm lazy. So I'll just state it. This is true in general, but the decrease in GTC demand will not follow to the same extent: There are plenty of people who are paying their time with rl cash, and when in scenario b) the game starts to become bad/unpleasing, they will stop paying their rl money for it at one point - but instead use their assets to keep the character trained. Because it's better to spend the isk for additional game-time and skill-training than quit completely. Those people will be new demanders, and they will buy the GTCs regardless of the price. I'd prefer to pay 1 billion each month until my assets are gone instead of not playing/skill-training at all and having isk in my closed account. As result the demand for playing the game without paying rl money will most likely rise in scenario b). We then have decreasing supply and increasing demand - you know what happens to the price in this situation.
Ms Delerium	Posted - 2009.06.08 16:38:00 - [34] gratz, u just have been plexowned market provides lots of rage. In case 1billion is an amazing amount for you, it means you are a young player. So, just move your ass and get a RL job. It's not that hard. Even a split time job for a month will bring enough isk to pay the game for 2+ years!!!
Sun Clausewitz	Posted - 2009.06.08 16:42:00 - [35] I am waiting on GTC to hit 1 Bill before I start selling again. My RL cash is worth more than the 650 mill you are offering right now.
Asith	Posted - 2009.06.08 16:46:00 - [36] Originally by: Sun Clausewitz I am waiting on GTC to hit 1 Bill before I start selling again. My RL cash is worth more than the 650 mill you are offering right now. Depend on your view WHen 90GTC were 350 mill T2 items / ship where expensive Now 60GTC are 700+mill T2 items / ships cheapest they have ever been I think youre getting a good deal
Asith	Posted - 2009.06.08 16:53:00 - [37] Edited by: Asith on 08/06/2009 16:53:31 Originally by: Asith There is a clear issue in the GTC /PLEX system at the moment which is causing the vast increase in GTC and PLEX prices. At the moment you can buy a 60GTC, cheaper than two PLEX, but you can still convert your 60GTC into 2 PLEX, therefore a way of making profit is created. People have caught on to this idea and buying as many GTC as they can get their hands on to make profit, causing the demand to increase by a huge amount even though subscribers havenÆt increased by the same %. Simply put the system CCP brought in to try and make GTC more affordable has made them more expensive. Well done CCP. As IÆm a university student I canÆt afford to use real money to pay for the game and the high prices of GTC, means after my sub runs out next month i will no longer be able to resub until my studies are over. Cheers CCP. And dont forget CCP now allowing fans to pay for the tickets using PLEXs just to rise GTC prices and sales
Kewso	Posted - 2009.06.08 17:06:00 - [38] friend of mine tries to inflate the prices by selling gtc's to his alt on the forum for higher price by saying like wts 3 gtc's 650m or whatnot well he'll sell 2 to his alt and lure some idiot into buying the 3rd for 650. there's a lot of manipulation but it's the people that fall for it that keep it going.
wowtard	Posted - 2009.06.08 17:23:00 - [39] Edited by: wowtard on 08/06/2009 17:26:02 Originally by: Arestan Nice to see people who understand the world so well, especially the "get a job, you loser!" crowd. Yeah, it's not like this is just a game or anything. The "woe to me, I'm just a student with no job, and 700M ISK to play for free is outrageous" crowd is about as ridiculous as a starving Ethiopian complaining about the maintenance costs on BMWs. You do all realize that while you're grinding away for ISK, you're still PLAYING a computer game, right? GTFO if PLAYING is so onerous. edit: understand the world? the world? seriously? the plight of people with personal computers and more leisure time than money is "the world."???
Tellenta Gallente Invicta. Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.06.08 17:26:00 - [40] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Skizar Okay i was annoyed when i had to pay 650 million for my GTCs as i used to pay 500-550 now thre up to 750? This is silly lets not push it so high that people wont buy and the market crashes! Skizar Then why not buy them by cash? they are dirtcheap anyway! 30-35 dollar or so for 60 days! And save your IG cash for ingame activities! $356= $210 3 month subscription $38 384= $152 1 year paid in full subscription $131 or $10.92 a month. Figured I'd share that with people just in case they wouldn't mind an extra couple bucks in their pocket a year... seriously people when you decide to take the most expensive route to pay for a game voluntarily anything that gets done to you is no fault but your own.

Tellenta Gallente Invicta. Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.06.08 17:34:00 - [41] Originally by: Asith Originally by: Sun Clausewitz I am waiting on GTC to hit 1 Bill before I start selling again. My RL cash is worth more than the 650 mill you are offering right now. Depend on your view WHen 90GTC were 350 mill T2 items / ship where expensive Now 60GTC are 700+mill T2 items / ships cheapest they have ever been I think youre getting a good deal Or $35 = a bottle of jack daniels with change back. While I know you don't care about other people as you're complaining about having to spend pretend money on game time, and acting ignorant to the fact that you're "free" game time relies on someone elses disposable income. I know people like to throw around supply and demand, but I believe it is simply perceived cost, as $35 can buy a lot of worthwhile things that is not computer game money. All I can say is bend over and enjoy the ride, until you decide to pay for the game in a more intelligent manner, or find a way to get more income in game.
CommmanderInChief Comply Or Die	Posted - 2009.06.08 17:39:00 - [42] Originally by: Kappas. If nobody was paying 750m for them the price would come down anyway - trouble is someone always does. trouble is no one has a choice, everyone is always going to need them..i refuse to pay 750 mill its a joke..they used to be so much cheaper not long ago, this 60day thing as ****ed everything. go back to 30 and 90 days...prices have pretty much doubled..
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.06.08 17:47:00 - [43] Originally by: wowtard Originally by: Clair Bear If you read the latest quarterly report you'll see the average ISK in people's wallets is double what it was at the time of the last quarterly report. There it is right there. Easier ISK is cheaper ISK. This, basically. Baseline ISK income is higher, therefore GTCs cost more, because low/moderate SP alts can still earn enough to pay for mains on the same account, even at 400M/PLEX. So simple.
Arestan Rising Sun Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.08 19:23:00 - [44] Originally by: wowtard Yeah, it's not like this is just a game or anything. The "woe to me, I'm just a student with no job, and 700M ISK to play for free is outrageous" crowd is about as ridiculous as a starving Ethiopian complaining about the maintenance costs on BMWs. You do know that the US has a 20% jobless rate and most of the other countries in the first world are not far behind with the things going as they are? Are you saying that people without a job or in a situation where they cannot spare the 12 Euros a month - are forbidden to have any kind of entertainment? Profiteering off people in a bad situations like these is illegal in IRL almost everywhere, virtual money should make no difference. Supply and demand has nothing to with it.
Sun Clausewitz	Posted - 2009.06.08 19:26:00 - [45] Originally by: CommmanderInChief ..i refuse to pay 750 mill its a joke.. I refuse to sell them for less than 900 mill, it is a joke that you think your virtual money is worth that much more than my real life money. Pick Three: Caldari/PVP/Solo/Success
Qwyp	Posted - 2009.06.08 19:27:00 - [46] Originally by: Kewso friend of mine tries to inflate the prices by selling gtc's to his alt on the forum for higher price by saying like wts 3 gtc's 650m or whatnot well he'll sell 2 to his alt and lure some idiot into buying the 3rd for 650. there's a lot of manipulation but it's the people that fall for it that keep it going. QFT
Jalmari Huitsikko Caldari Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.06.08 20:11:00 - [47] stealth mission running/macro nerf? :P
Bodrul Caldari Skynet A.I. Systems	Posted - 2009.06.08 20:16:00 - [48] Originally by: Asith Well done CCP. As IÆm a university student I canÆt afford to use real money to pay for the game and the high prices of GTC, means after my sub runs out next month i will no longer be able to resub until my studies are over. Cheers CCP. so am i which university you go to? seriously though 60 Days only cost ú15-ú17 from pcworld or amazon .......... Just Have Fun while mining or if your bored 300+ Free Games
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.08 20:19:00 - [49] Originally by: Arestan Nice to see people who understand the world so well, especially the "get a job, you loser!" crowd. Because its true? $14.95 Thats it for one month of eve. A couple more hours a month (not a week) on your job schedule or a few less pricy luxuries in place of the moar pricy luxuries. So if you can't afford that then something is seriously out of order for you in real life and the price of a gtc should be the least of your worries.
CommmanderInChief Comply Or Die	Posted - 2009.06.08 20:31:00 - [50] Originally by: Sun Clausewitz Originally by: CommmanderInChief ..i refuse to pay 750 mill its a joke.. I refuse to sell them for less than 900 mill, it is a joke that you think your virtual money is worth that much more than my real life money. errmm the price of a GTC in real money hasnt changed at all!!...so explain the price hike?

21 Salvager Minmatar We are Alive	Posted - 2009.06.08 20:46:00 - [51] Originally by: CommmanderInChief errmm the price of a GTC in real money hasnt changed at all!!...so explain the price hike? See post number 43 above. ----- I'm a collector! Want to trade? See my Collection List and contact me.
21 Salvager Minmatar We are Alive	Posted - 2009.06.08 20:53:00 - [52] Originally by: Asith There is a clear issue in the GTC /PLEX system at the moment which is causing the vast increase in GTC and PLEX prices. At the moment you can buy a 60GTC, cheaper than two PLEX, but you can still convert your 60GTC into 2 PLEX, therefore a way of making profit is created. People have caught on to this idea and buying as many GTC as they can get their hands on to make profit, causing the demand to increase by a huge amount even though subscribers havenÆt increased by the same %. Simply put the system CCP brought in to try and make GTC more affordable has made them more expensive. Well done CCP. As IÆm a university student I canÆt afford to use real money to pay for the game and the high prices of GTC, means after my sub runs out next month i will no longer be able to resub until my studies are over. Cheers CCP. Sorry, I'm trying to understand your logic here. As I understand, you are saying: 1. USD cost of 60-day GTC is more than USD cost of 2x 30-day PLEX 2. 60-day GTC can be made into 2x 30-day PLEX "therefore a way of making profit is created." Doesn't follow. Yes, you get more ISK/USD if you buy 60-day GTCs than if you buy PLEXs, but that would just increase the supply and tend to lower the ISK cost of PLEXs. Or, do you mean: 1. ISK cost of 60-day GTC is more than ISK cost of 2x 30-day PLEX 2. 60-day GTC can be made into 2x 30-day PLEX "therefore a way of making profit is created.": presumably by buying GTCs on the forum and then selling them as PLEXs in-game. Which doesn't work, since buying a GTC on the forum automatically applies the time to your account and item "2" above is false. So, no, this isn't why PLEXs are high in price. ----- I'm a collector! Want to trade? See my Collection List and contact me.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.06.08 21:11:00 - [53] Originally by: Arestan Originally by: wowtard Yeah, it's not like this is just a game or anything. The "woe to me, I'm just a student with no job, and 700M ISK to play for free is outrageous" crowd is about as ridiculous as a starving Ethiopian complaining about the maintenance costs on BMWs. You do know that the US has a 20% jobless rate and most of the other countries in the first world are not far behind with the things going as they are? Are you saying that people without a job or in a situation where they cannot spare the 12 Euros a month - are forbidden to have any kind of entertainment? Profiteering off people in a bad situations like these is illegal in IRL almost everywhere, virtual money should make no difference. Supply and demand has nothing to with it. So you're saying it's wrong to charge people more ISK just when they have more free time to make ISK?
Discrodia Gallente Blood Red Dawn	Posted - 2009.06.08 21:37:00 - [54] Edited by: Discrodia on 08/06/2009 21:37:57 Originally by: Arestan Originally by: wowtard Yeah, it's not like this is just a game or anything. The "woe to me, I'm just a student with no job, and 700M ISK to play for free is outrageous" crowd is about as ridiculous as a starving Ethiopian complaining about the maintenance costs on BMWs. You do know that the US has a 20% jobless rate and most of the other countries in the first world are not far behind with the things going as they are? Are you saying that people without a job or in a situation where they cannot spare the 12 Euros a month - are forbidden to have any kind of entertainment? Profiteering off people in a bad situations like these is illegal in IRL almost everywhere, virtual money should make no difference. Supply and demand has nothing to with it. I'm a bit confused by your 20% there.... where did these numbers come from? I sincerely doubt 1/5 of the US population is unemployed. Other than that, if you can't afford it, next time you get your paycheck save to buy a 1 year subscription and you won't have to worry about it for a while.
21 Salvager Minmatar We are Alive	Posted - 2009.06.08 21:51:00 - [55] Originally by: Discrodia I'm a bit confused by your 20% there.... where did these numbers come from? I sincerely doubt 1/5 of the US population is unemployed. FYI, I show the US unemployment rate at 9.1%: Linkage
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.06.09 00:06:00 - [56] if you cant afford it dont pay it , when it get to a point where no one will pay then the price will dip slightly and then stay there until they start to hike up again. good luck at stopping people from putting it up though OFFLINE[ONLINE]
Jobby Minmatar UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.06.09 00:21:00 - [57] Originally by: CommmanderInChief errmm the price of a GTC in real money hasnt changed at all!!...so explain the price hike?
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.06.09 00:25:00 - [58] Originally by: Jobby Originally by: CommmanderInChief errmm the price of a GTC in real money hasnt changed at all!!...so explain the price hike?
Naim Mee	Posted - 2009.06.09 01:00:00 - [59] If I'm going to pay for your account each month with my RL cash, then i want as much fake moon money (Isk) as possible from you each month in return. If you don't like it, then dig up some RL cash and pay for your own account. It's just that simple tbh.
Joss Sparq Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.09 01:40:00 - [60] Originally by: Blane Unfortunately there are alot of mindless drones who are happy wasting 2-3 hours a day ever day for a month -just- to cover the GTC cost. I don't want to come across as rude, but why so serious? I expect that if people are consistently paying for their subscription via PLEX they don't view that 2-3 hours per day as a waste - but as an investment whose return is the other 2-3 hours (or more) they play per day (or on the weekend, or whatever) that isn't focused on generating ISK for their subscription. If they're happy to do that instead of paying the subscription cost out of their pocket then that is their prerogative. Even if they're only playing to raise sufficient ISK to keep their account active, I still don't view that as a waste: while their account is active and characters are in use they're still contributing in some way to the game - consuming ammunition, losing ships, placing/filling Market orders, claiming LP store items to exchange for ISK etc - plus their ISK is being moved to the account of somebody who is presumably also quite active in their own participation. I can understand how on the surface the practice may appear as a waste of some kind (time, perhaps?) to some individuals, but I think such an opinion is an unfair dismissal when made outright and without any apparent consideration. Of course I may be a little biased, as once-upon-a-time I used to do the exact same thing (play, to pay, to play) though I saw the writing on the wall (well, the CCP blog at least) and sold my Mission/PvE Alt for a tidy sum, and proceeded to dump the greater part of my liquidity into codes before the spike hit. I should probably login one day and check what year my account subscription ends. I'll probably want to have a job by then. (Yes, I probably am as smug as I may sound) As things stand, I bought a PLEX fairly cheaply a few weeks ago for an Alt account - as it turns out I won't need it so I'll make a tidy profit when I relist it, so roll on with the price rise please!

Mara Rinn	Posted - 2009.06.09 01:43:00 - [61] The price of PLEX/GTC is going up because there are people using them as trade items. They buy low, sell high, wait for some other chump playing the same game to buy the PLEX at the higher price, and keep skimming the bottom of the market. You'll notice that the quantity of plex traded each month has doubled, before the PLEX for Fanfest programme was announced. Now that people are actually consuming PLEX (instead of buying to relist), the price will go up further. My suggestion is to get into the PLEX trade. Shift a few dozen at some percentage profit and you'll make enough ISK to eat a PLEX a month for free.
Joss Sparq Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.09 01:53:00 - [62] Originally by: Mara Rinn Shift a few dozen at some percentage profit and you'll make enough ISK to eat a PLEX a month for free. I can't help but imagine the PLEX as a dietary supplement now: "A PLEX a month will help give your Internet Spaceship a regular connection* and promote healthy account subscriptions!" * If socket closure, lag spiking and CTD persists, consult your EVE Online Forum.
Zex Maxwell Caldari	Posted - 2009.06.09 02:38:00 - [63] Originally by: Skizar Okay i was annoyed when i had to pay 650 million for my GTCs as i used to pay 500-550 now thre up to 750? /me stops reading. Then runs over to the Timecode Bazaar forum. ---
Agent Known Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.06.09 05:52:00 - [64] I heard the price inflated overnight because someone bought ALL of them from Jita and put them back up for sale. That's just a theory as far as I'm concerned though... Wouldn't this belong in Market Discussion? Oh wait, they already have 9001 threads there.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.09 06:29:00 - [65] Originally by: Naim Mee If I'm going to pay for your account each month with my RL cash, then i want as much fake moon money (Isk) as possible from you each month in return. If you don't like it, then dig up some RL cash and pay for your own account. It's just that simple tbh. Couldn¦t have put it better myself.
moola Band Of Frogs	Posted - 2009.06.09 07:25:00 - [66] The real problem is reseller's, but i cant blame em. When someone brings a GTC into the game they want the isk ASAP, so they sell to buy orders (the resellers/traders), the isk is there waiting for em. Even if they didnt sell to the buy orders, the resellers/traders would buy em off market and relist with moar profit. Any item in eve with a limited supply gets the same treatment.
Joss Sparq Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.09 07:38:00 - [67] Originally by: Joss Sparq As things stand, I bought a PLEX fairly cheaply a few weeks ago for an Alt account - as it turns out I won't need it so I'll make a tidy profit when I relist it, so roll on with the price rise please! Irony: I mouth off, only to get home and find my Alt account subscription has ended. Whoops. The PLEX I mentioned is in the Hangar of the Alt I've been nursing along. The bank I use is shut now and so I won't get there to add funds to my account to re-activate with before my current skill finishes (I think) ... What timing!


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