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Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.06.23 16:38:00 - [61] Originally by: Dr Fighter Originally by: CHED lol at me and my corp and most of eve using off lined mods as heat sinks since heat came out, when its actually a load of **. sort of. I think** it works like this. You have an empty slot and a offline module, being used to slow heat buildup, but the offline module has a chance of taking the heat dmg from that cycle where an empty slot would not. Bolded the problem. And hence my earlier post, I'd like to know facts...
oniplE Point of No Return	Posted - 2009.06.23 16:49:00 - [62] Edited by: oniplE on 23/06/2009 16:52:37 Originally by: Raimo Originally by: Dr Fighter Originally by: CHED lol at me and my corp and most of eve using off lined mods as heat sinks since heat came out, when its actually a load of **. sort of. I think** it works like this. You have an empty slot and a offline module, being used to slow heat buildup, but the offline module has a chance of taking the heat dmg from that cycle where an empty slot would not. Bolded the problem. And hence my earlier post, I'd like to know facts... According to my initial test results and the dev reply: an offlined module performs just as well as an empty slot. So there's no point in fitting an offlined mod for heat purposes, you're better off with an empty slot because you wont have to repair it afterwards. Personally, i'd love to see offlined modules perform BETTER than empty slots. Repairing heat damage will cost more and you risk losing an extra module in pvp. In return you can overload your mods longer.
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.06.23 19:39:00 - [63] Originally by: oniplE Edited by: oniplE on 23/06/2009 16:52:37 Originally by: Raimo Originally by: Dr Fighter Originally by: CHED lol at me and my corp and most of eve using off lined mods as heat sinks since heat came out, when its actually a load of **. sort of. I think** it works like this. You have an empty slot and a offline module, being used to slow heat buildup, but the offline module has a chance of taking the heat dmg from that cycle where an empty slot would not. Bolded the problem. And hence my earlier post, I'd like to know facts... According to my initial test results and the dev reply: an offlined module performs just as well as an empty slot. So there's no point in fitting an offlined mod for heat purposes, you're better off with an empty slot because you wont have to repair it afterwards. Personally, i'd love to see offlined modules perform BETTER than empty slots. Repairing heat damage will cost more and you risk losing an extra module in pvp. In return you can overload your mods longer. I'd still like more dev explanation. Why the talk about offline modules at all?
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.23 19:42:00 - [64] Both an offline mod and an empty slot do exactly the same. Which part of that can be unclear?
Thercon Jair Minmatar Nex Exercitus Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.06.23 20:50:00 - [65] Edited by: Thercon Jair on 23/06/2009 20:50:41 From what I understand: If you have an online mod in the middle of guns it doesn't act as a heatsink, whereas if you don't have an empty slot there or an offline mod it acts as a heatsink. A small remote armor repairer offline can act as a heatsink and for repairs after battle. Since it does the same as an empty slot, it's preferrable. Also, what I think: if there is no mod the probability of the other modules taking damage will be higher than if there is an offline module. It's nowhere in the explanation, but it would make sense. Why else would a heatsink make a difference? If a dev could clarify that? EFT doesn't seem to take this into account. It could either be because it is like that, or because simply EFT doesn't take that into account.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.06.23 21:22:00 - [66] Originally by: Furb Killer Both an offline mod and an empty slot do exactly the same. Which part of that can be unclear?
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2009.06.23 21:38:00 - [67] Originally by: Furb Killer Both an offline mod and an empty slot do exactly the same. Which part of that can be unclear? the bit where the offline slot only slows the little heat arrow going up, whereas a module will have a chance to take some of the heat dmg instead of the modules aswell, whereas an empty slot does not get damaged.
oniplE Point of No Return	Posted - 2009.06.23 22:38:00 - [68] Edited by: oniplE on 23/06/2009 22:38:12 It really is as simple as quoted above, an empty slot does EXACTLY the same as an offlined module. There is no difference in heat build up or damage distribution.
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.06.24 04:46:00 - [69] Originally by: Furb Killer Both an offline mod and an empty slot do exactly the same. Which part of that can be unclear? Originally by: EVElopedia Offline modules and empty module slots function as heat sinks, reducing the damage taken over time. While it is usually better to fit an active module, if no CPU or power grid is available, these heat-sink modules can be used to great effect. Which part of this can be clear? Why mention offline modules at all if they have the same effect as empty slots? Why have a module there that you need to repair versus having no module and thus no need for repairs... --- WOLFY is recruiting!
Atsuko Ratu Caldari Interstellar eXodus	Posted - 2009.06.24 05:37:00 - [70] Originally by: Raimo Which part of this can be clear? Why mention offline modules at all if they have the same effect as empty slots? Why have a module there that you need to repair versus having no module and thus no need for repairs... Anyone ever tell you how dense you are? Why not mention offline modules? Should they be unclear and only mention empty slots, leaving the question "how do offline modules effect heat?". The empty and offline module absorb heat in the same way. Yes, you need to repair the offline module; but you also get the option of onlining it on the fly, such as a RR or salvager. In your mind, you're wondering why the offline module takes damage at all, and you seem to think that justifies it being better than an empty slot. If only you were a Dev.

Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.06.24 06:00:00 - [71] Edited by: Raimo on 24/06/2009 06:04:14 Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Originally by: Raimo Which part of this can be clear? Why mention offline modules at all if they have the same effect as empty slots? Why have a module there that you need to repair versus having no module and thus no need for repairs... Anyone ever tell you how dense you are? Why not mention offline modules? Should they be unclear and only mention empty slots, leaving the question "how do offline modules effect heat?". Ah, they are plenty unclear as it stands... Am I the only one that thinks that this issue that is perpetrated with myths and assumptions would need a bit more clarification? If most of EVE has been fitting offline modules (usually with no desire to online them and no realistic offlining option to do that, what, offline your MWD in hostile space?) with the assumption that it is better than leaving the slot empty, you think it's ok to leave the issue with a passing unclear and contradictory dev post(and EVElopedia edit) and the findings of one player? You don't think some more dev clarification would be ok, preferably from the ground up as there is so much myth and misinformation around the issue? Anyone tell how dense you are? Or how about editing the EVElopedia article a bit more to be clear that there is no advantage to fitting offline mods as far as heat goes if that is the case? (Also many believe that the larger the mod per fitting requirements the better which ofc would be false as well)
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.24 07:38:00 - [72] Sorry but i was serious, which part of it can be unclear? They act exactly the same. Why would you then use an offline smartbomb there? You wouldnt, it is useless. Why would you use an offline repper/salvager? So afterwards if needed you can online it and use it.
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.06.24 09:12:00 - [73] Originally by: Furb Killer Sorry but i was serious, which part of it can be unclear? They act exactly the same. Why would you then use an offline smartbomb there? You wouldnt, it is useless. Why would you use an offline repper/salvager? So afterwards if needed you can online it and use it. Read my last post again. This is a pretty big issue of misinformation that has gone on for a long time. It's not an issue of me wanting to fit an offline large smartbomb thinking it's better than a salvager or an empty slot, it's that thousands of players still think this is the case because the misinformation has been going on for so long... I'd like for some more dev clarifications, not because of the unclearness of the info in here and in the EVElopedia(even though they still are a tad vague for my liking and I'd like the Devs to NOT mess up with the low slot damage mod semantics when they're trying to "clear something up", thx) but because the misinformation is so widespread and has been going for so long. And I'd like the EVElopedia edited again to not imply that there would be any other benefit to fitting offline mods than being able to online them for use if that is indeed the case. --- WOLFY is recruiting!
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.06.24 09:16:00 - [74] especially this bit makes EVElopedia very unclear on the matter: Quote: Offline modules and empty module slots function as heat sinks, reducing the damage taken over time. While it is usually better to fit an active module, if no CPU or power grid is available, these heat-sink modules can be used to great effect. "These heat-sink modules" implies that a module(offline heatsink) is more effective than no module(empty slot). Also, they talk about a "heat sink" thus Tuxford mentioning that heat sinks are actually damage mods in this thread doesn't help to clear things up... --- WOLFY is recruiting!
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.24 09:18:00 - [75] Okay lets create a new dev blog: Offline modules and empty slots act the same for overheating purposes. So that was a long dev blog.
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.06.24 10:53:00 - [76] Originally by: Furb Killer Okay lets create a new dev blog: Offline modules and empty slots act the same for overheating purposes. So that was a long dev blog. Uh, how about fixing the evelopedia 1st? How about a Dev post clearly indicating what previous dev talk has been fact and what has been not?
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.06.25 10:58:00 - [77] I'm bumping this! :P


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