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Robert Fitzroy
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Posted - 2009.06.15 20:04:00 -
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Perhaps rather than guidance, it is propulsion that can be easily disrupted by an inexpensive device. There is little in our times that could justify creations like the propulsion web. If an (often) inexpensive and not especially bulky module can slash the speed of a frigate or a battleship by 80%, it would be reasonable to argue a standard fixture on everything from pods to titans would be a cheap compact device capable of neutralizing the propulsion of anything less sophisticated than a drone.
Also, I wasn't aware that shooting at asteroids ever accomplished anything. If they can be blasted apart, then your argument there certainly has bearing. If we merely get special effects with zero consequences to attacking a rock, then there id no substantive difference between a hit and a miss produced by those attacks.
All that said, I agree with the notion that these discussions can be productive. I also agree with the assertion that there is no need to come up with an elaborate fanciful explanation for something that could be explained as a function of technology we in the present do understand. Yet sometimes, especially in this thread, explanations based on technology we do understand become implausibly elaborate and fanciful (as a function of coping with limitations that could well be overcome during centuries of future development.) Only CCP can declare what is official, and in the mean time we probably do well to bounce between extremes in search of a middle ground in understanding any particular question.
Regards,
Robert Fitzroy
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Mystafyre
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.15 20:59:00 -
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First of all...
Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) is NOT a cruise missile in RL...
Secondly...
This is SCI-FI game...wich part the OP didn't understand?
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Kail Storm
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Posted - 2009.06.15 23:37:00 -
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Robert You should know a few things peeps keep sayin that tech would be completely differant because there would have been some dark ages BLA BLA BLAH.
The reality would be that if the settlers were stuck on planets with basic survival gear, that was baesd on there tech at the time, which was based on earth gear. The cavemen started from scratch, these guys were armed with a certain knowledge etc and it would make sense that say ammarr was of italian or whatever heritage and caldari us gal french whatever just examples that we would have diff favorite weapons focus. They would be basing there tech on simple versions of our technology. Ie if a f-16 pilot was to crash in the roman days he would have concepts of radio waves and bullets etc so its likely that he would help inventors learn way more effecntly the SAME TECH.
Its not like these people who had ships just lost them on the planet its more likely they were dropships with limited ranged weapons etc and even thought they couldnt produce advanced light drives etc tehy still had same basics lasers, pistols/ballistics/ rails/ missles.
And if you can have a dime sized device that jams all propulsion and Guidance then the missle companies would make an anti jammer jammer. lol. But its true the russains jammed us allied planes then we jammed theres and now our [the us f-22] Jam and pickup data at once. So to me theres no logical reason to say this becuase it be way ezer to build missles with anti jammer jammers and send 30 at a ship and hope 1/3 get by then havin 1 on a ship and hopin it works.
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Robert Fitzroy
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Posted - 2009.06.16 08:04:00 -
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That last post seems more deserving of heckling than the original post in this thread. Lacking the imagination to contemplate centuries of progress beyond the foundations we know of in our own times, there are some other obvious clues. Warp drive, jump gates, quantum telecommunications . . . that is just the tip of a vast iceberg of features that we know exist in the world of Eve not through any pontifications of mine but because they are actually in the game.
Appeals to simplicity are based purely on player pontification as well, and those pontifications seem unsound to me. Yet even if the underlying thinking was downright impressive, there is a bigger picture to consider. Given the choice between a game that is focused on physics with an effort to find fun after the fact or a game that is focused on fun with an effort to find physics after the fact, which would you rather play? Choices like the range limitation on missiles come from the fact that if the game offered a single vastly superior weapons system, then the game would consist of little else but players using that one system. Is it hard to understand why CCP went a different direction in their development?
Regards,
Robert Fitzroy
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Kendar
Gallente
Disney inc
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Posted - 2009.06.16 09:49:00 -
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I thought we play EVE to escape real life, why do some people want EVE to be more like RL?
If you want missiles with good range join the army or something
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Merdorn
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Posted - 2009.06.17 06:01:00 -
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Oks, after thinking this through. Some things need to be added as base ground rules.
1) The area of space that EVE is set in, Seems to Not what we would consider as empty space, but is actually a fairly dense or viscus area. For some pointers, Look at the vast amount of gas cloud formations that our star systems inhabit. we could therize that we are infact living inside a large star birthing nebula or something where there is a high densaty of small particulets.
If you take that one rule in to acount, alot of the way things work will make a bit of sense.
I agree I don't see why missles are such short range, but with targeting ranges being what they are the only alternitive would be to have speaclized artliary support ships that lob ordnece in from "off grid" to help in the fight. You would need specalized targeting equipment ....... sort of like a target painter :). Thats how the minmatars beat the ammar, they aply libral amounts of off grid arttilray support directed by quick agile Fire support spotters. The off grid ordince would have to warp in and once it arives "on grid" and drops out of its warp tunnel it would hit the nearest designated ship. Tunnel would end say 20k from the spot targeted when the ordnece was fired, and the ordince could only lock on to new targets in a 90 degree or less cone from whence it came out.
NOW THAT would be a game of teamwork. would help solve missle flight time issiues as they would nail just what ever was pained at the time. Also blobs would not be as good as most of the firepower would be comming from off grid and if it had some sort of area effect then you would have to deal with it some how (probing and strike squads going to find, carriers beingable to set there fighters to counter battery attacking along stealth bombers, the "black ops" line of ships be the role of the off grid killers) or just try and suck it up.
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